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Introduction[]

The purpose of the blog is to give in depth clarifications; mostly for the speed for the Relativistic to Massively FTL borders. And this is elaborates upon the 5-C to 4-B in depth scaling chain. And they're backed up by a combination of feats, statements, Kaioken multiplier linearity, and roughly considering the "Where in between" borders. Some people are saying we should throw out all multipliers entirely ignoring the blatant progression, while others think we're being far too knit picky for Dragon Ball and what to use every "I grew X times stronger and faster" statement there is. And due to how evenly split everyone is on the issue, what we need is some middle ground.

  • The ">" signs are indicators of Character A being stronger than character B. These are a very unknown number, and are not multipliers, but are easily assumed to be greater than 1 as a multiplier.
  • Characters receive a single > for simply being stronger and/or faster, >> or >>> for it being a blitz/stomp and depending on the extreme and another > for each one if done simultaneously.
  • Only accepted multipliers are Kaioken and Frieza going from 50% to 100%, but others will simply be mentioned but skipped.
  • If people are still uncomfortable with sudden 4x or 2x multipliers, then resetting the arrows would still make it lowballed as less than the statement, but still the consistency in progression.

The Scaling Chain[]

  • It all begins with Roshi's Moon busting feat. 29.6 Exatons and 0.0986c. Also scales to Tien Shinhan.
  • Old King Piccolo is well above that. >>> 29.6 Exatons and 0.1c
  • Youth Restored + Immortality Piccolo is well above that. >>>>> 29.6 Exatons and >> 0.1c. Also scales to Goku.
  • Tien, Krillin, and Yamcha have gotten even stronger. >>>>>> 29.6 Exatons and >>> 0.1c.
  • Kami is well above them. >>>>>>>> 29.6 Exatons and >>>>> 0.1c.
  • Piccolo Jr and Teen Goku are even stronger than him. >>>>>>>>> 29.6 Exatons and >>>>>> 0.1c. This wraps of Dragon Ball.
  • Dragon Ball Z begins with Piccolo's Moon busting feat. >>>>>>>>>>>> 29.6 Exatons and 0.5434c. Piccolo was wearing weighted training gear and had a PL of322 (329 when he destroyed the moon). Goku has a PL of 334 with the same weights so he's the same as well.
  • Without weights, Piccolo and Goku jump from 408 and 416 respectively. >>>>>>>>>>>>> 29.6 Exatons and > 0.5434c
  • Raditz effortlessly blitzes both of them. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 29.6 Exatons and >>>> 0.5434c. Scales to the Saibamen due to being equal to Raditz.
  • Yamcha and Tien are both well above the power of a Saibaman, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 29.6 Exatons and >>>>> 0.5434c.
  • Krillin blitzes and vaporizes three Saibamen by splitting 1 attack into 6 parts. >>>>>>>>> 0.5434c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 177.6 Exatons.
  • Gohan is officially much stronger than Krillin especially when enraged. >>>>>>>>>> 0.5434c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 177.6 Exatons.
  • Piccolo is stronger than Gohan. >>>>>>>>>>> 0.5434c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 177.6 Exatons.
  • Nappa was more than a match for the combined might of Piccolo, Gohan, and Krillin. >>>>>>>>>>>> 0.5434c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 177.6 Exatons.
  • Goku effortlessly blitzed Nappa in base form, and was able was able to match Vegeta's power in Kaioken x3. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.5434c and 19.82 Zettatons.
  • Kaioken x2 makes him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.0868c and 39.64 Zettatons.
  • Kaioken x3 makes him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.6302c and 59.44 Zettatons.
  • Kaioken x4 makes him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.1736c and 79.28 Zettatons.
  • Vegeta blitzed Kaioken x2 Goku, kept up with Kaioken x3 matching Galick Gun with Kamahameha, and withstood the Kaioken x4 Kamahameha at point blank. Galick Gun can destroy the planet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.6302c and 59.44 Zettatons. Also scales to Cui
  • Vegeta, after his 1st zenkai becomes strong enough to blitz and vaporize Cui, and later Dodoria who would have blitzed him prior. And out matched Zarbon though not quite vaporization. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.6302c and >> 59.44 Zettatons for Dodoria and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.6302c and >>> 59.44 Zettatons for base Zarbon, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.6302c and >>>>> 59.44 Zetatons for Vegeta.
  • Transformed Zarbon blitzes Vegeta >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.6302c and >>>>>>> 59.44 Zettatons
  • Vegeta after his next Zenkai turns the tables and blitzes Zarbon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.6302c and >>>>>>>>> 59.44 Zettatons.
  • Recoome blitzes the combined might of Vegeta, and an amplified Gohan and Krillin, but Vegeta's the only one with most of the weight so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.1736c and >>>>>>>>>>> 79.28 Zettatons for Recoome, Burter, and Jeice.
  • Son Goku returns with a PL of 90,000 blitzing the combined might of Recoome, Burter, and Jeice without even trying. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.1736c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 79.28 Zettatons for base Goku.
  • Captain Ginyu was more than a match for Goku but not overwhelmingly so, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.1736c and >>>>>>>>>>>>> 79.82 Zettatons.
  • Goku went Kaioken x2 and Ginyu admitted defeat before his trick, and Goku said it was nothing compared to what he can do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.3472c and >>>>>>>>>>> 158.56 Zettatons. It's possible he could go Kaioken x10.
  • Goku could easily have gone Kaioken x4, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8.6944c and >>>>>>>>>>>> 317.12 Zettatons.
  • Frieza in his 1st form was still superior to Goku at his full power. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8.6944c and 4.89 Quettatons. He's also equal to Frieza saga Vegeta. Speed is also further backed up by Kaizenshuu saying Death Beams are FTL.
  • 2nd Form Frieza could blitz the combined might of Vegeta, Gohan, and Krillin if he desired, but only going to compare Vegeta since Gohan is only over on Frieza's level when enraged and Krillin is fodder. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8.6944c and >> 4.89 Quettatons. Also scales to Piccolo.
  • 3rd Form Frieza blitzed Piccolo effortlessly and Goku said even a Kaioken x10 would be no match for this, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8.6944c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 21.736c and >>>> 4.89 Quettatons. Scales to Vegeta after his next zenkai.
  • Base Goku after his Zenkai and PL of 3,000,000. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8.6944c, possibly possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 21.736c and >>>>>> 4.89 Quettatons. Scaled to an extremely casual Final Form Frieza that was effortlessly blitzing Vegeta.
  • Final Form Frieza matched Kaioken 20x Goku at 50%, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 173.88c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c and >>>>>> 97.8 Quettatons.
  • 100% Frieza is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 347.776c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 869.44c and >>>>>> 195.6 Quettatons. This is 4-C
  • SSJ Goku is more than a match for him and 50x base >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>> 244.5 Quettatons.
  • Mecha Frieza is stronger than before and seemed confident he could beat SSJ Goku, King Cold has also been compared to Mecha Frieza. Though, just say their equal due to it possibly being over confidence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>>> 244.5 Quettatons. Androids 19 and 20 should be roughly somewhere in between here and later.
  • SSJ Trunks effortlessly blitzes them one by one. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>>>>> 244.5 Quettatons due to being far superior to both of them
  • SSJ Goku after training for a year on another planet effortlessly blocked Trunks strongest sword slashes with his finger. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>>>>> 489 Quettatons. And was implied to be stronger than Future 17, whom 50% of his power overwhelmed Future Gohan and Future Trunks. This is Star level+
  • SSJ Vegeta was stated to have surpassed SSJ Goku upon training on 400 G's and traveling through space, not counting the fact that Goku in turn got even stronger after training for 3 years. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>>>>>> 489 Quettatons.
  • Android 18 matched SSJ Vegeta while casual, and later stomped him when she got serious. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c and or >>>>>>>>>>>> 489 Quettatons.
  • Android 17 blitzed and one-shotted everyone else, including pre-Kami Piccolo and Trunks; stronger than 18 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>>>>>>>>> 489 Quettatons. Scales to Kamiccolo.
  • Imperfect Cell overpowered the combined might of Piccolo and 17 after absorbing a bunch of humans and matched 16. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 489 Quettatons.
  • Semi-Perfect Cell effortlessly stomps 16. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 978 Quettatons, his AP is equal to the equivalent of 17 and 16. Thus making him more than twice as strong as 17. This is High 4-C
  • SSJ Vegeta post Hyperbolic Time Chamber blitzed and could effortlessly vaporize Semi-Perfect Cell if he so desired. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 978 Quettatons. Scales to every Hyperbolic Time Chamber trainer, including Piccolo, Trunks, Vegeta, Cell Juniors. Goten and Kid Trunks should also be in this range.
  • SSJ Goku trained and Mastered the SSJ form. And 50% of his power overwhelmed everyone else but was still not match for Perfect Cell at 100%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.956 KiloQuettatons. Scales to Perfect Cell, SSJ Gohan, and Dabura.
  • Shin is stated to be "Dimensions stronger" than Piccolo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.956 KiloQuettatons. Was also stated to be equal to SSJ Goku iirc.
  • Dabura is much stronger than Shin, and equal to SSJ Adult Gohan and Perfect Cell (Prior to Super Perfect Cell). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.956 KiloQuettatons.
  • Gohan also got stronger due to a zenkai boost from Majin Buu and healing, and was strong enough to pull the Z Sword out in his SSJ1 form and carry it in base form while Shin implied he himself couldn't. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.956 KiloQuettatons. Scales to the base forms of Buu saga Goku and Vegeta. Goku tanked a point blank sword strike from the Z Sword. Further elaborated by base Vegeta stomping Pui Pui and base Goku being stronger than Yakon when Shin feared them. Everyone who can break Katchin or Kajuu Katchin is also much stronger given the Z Sword couldn't even scratch it.
  • Katchin Busters should at least be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 434.72c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086.8c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.956 KiloQuettatons.
  • Post Majin buu fight SSJ Gohan scales to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 21736c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 54340c and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.09 Foe due to being 50x stronger as a SSJ. Scales to SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta.
  • Super Perfect Cell is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 21736c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 54340c and 1.053 Kilofoe. Scales to half of SSJ Teen Gohan's power.
  • Teen Gohan at 100% while not quite faster, is twice as strong as that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 21736c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 54340c and > 2.106 Kilofoe. Every other SSJ2 is much stronger than that.
  • Gotenks possess the power rivaling that of a SSJ2 in his base form given his power even surprised Majin Buu and survived the same beating that otherwise killed Majin Vegeta. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 21736c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 54340c and >>>> 2.106 Kilofoe.
  • Gotenks in SSJ is 50x that and being even stronger in SSJ3. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1086800c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2717000c and >>>> 105.3 Kilofoe.
  • Gotenks grew at least 50x stronger in RoSaT since his current base form surpassed previous SSJ form. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 54350000c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 135850000c and >>>>> 5.265 Megafoe.
  • Super Buu easily outmatched that and matched SSJ3 Gotenks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 54350000c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 135850000c and >>>>>>>> 5.265 Megafoe.
  • Ultimate Gohan stomps Super Buu. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 54350000c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 186375000c and >>>>>>>>> 5.265 Megafoe.
  • Super Buu far surpasses this after multiple absorptions. Fusion of himself and Gotenks who are equals would make them twice as strong at least. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 54350000c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 135850000c and >>>>>>>> 10.53 Megafoe. Scales to base Vegito.
  • Super Vegito has a 50x multiplier yet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2717000000c, possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6792500000c and >>>>>>>> 526.5 Megafoe.

Note[]

Still work in progress with the scans, just felt too tired to link every single fight scene. But the Kaizenshuu scan for FTL Death Beams is enough.

Conclusion[]

  • Everyone superior to Max Power Master Roshi in Dragon Ball saga is 5-C and Relativistic.
  • Everyone superior to Weighted clothes Beginning of Saiyan Saga Piccolo is 5-C and Relativistic+.
  • Everyone superior to Cui or Saiyan sage Vegeta is FTL and 5-B.
  • Everyone superior to 1st form Frieza is High 5-A
  • Everyone superior to 3rd form Frieza is possibly FTL+
  • Everyone superior to 50% Frieza is Small Star level+ and Massively FTL
  • Everyone superior to 100% Frieza including SSJ Goku is 4-C
  • Everyong superior to Frieza saga SSJ Goku is possibly Massively FTL+
  • Everyone superior to Future Android 17 is Star level+
  • Everyone superior to Semi-Perfect Cell is High 4-C
  • Everyone superior to Buu Saga SSJ1 cast is Massively FTL+ outright
  • And everyone superior to Super Perfect Cell is 4-B without any doubt.
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