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  • Guts is listed as building+, one of the reasons is tanking hits from Zodd yet Zodd is city block. Would that not make Guts city block in durability? If so Guts' dura shpuld be upgraded that or Zodd should be downgraded.

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    • Zodd scales to Skull Knight for having fought him for centuries, so the real question is what puts SK at city block level?

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    • Being above Guts who has city block AP feats I think? Maybe some tornado and Shiva stuff?

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    • I'd imagine that he's basically Guts' superior, for having gained the demon armor and all, would put him above base Guts.

      If Guts managed to contend with monster Zodd on the hill of swords, then I'd imagine he should scale. 

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    • Guts should scale to the lowerend of what Zodd is at in my opinion. He's not equal to Zodd but he can still fight him. So if Zodd's AP is cityblock then Guts' dura should be low-end city block.

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    • Well we have Mozgus performing a casual city block level feat, which Guts should scale to for having tanked his attacks and harmed him in return.


      Though the calc is taking a while to get off the ground. 

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    • That's not half bad, didn't Guts even block his flames at one point? But that needs to be accepted first, at least Zodd is already at cityblock which Guts should scale too (especially since his profile states his dura is half from Zodd)

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    • I'm pretty Guts straight up no selled a breath attack at some point, no?

      Yeah, still waiting on the calc to be cleared.

      But still, Guts should at least be low-end city block for contending with Monster Zodd

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    • I think that it seems reasonable to upgrade Guts' durability, but would appreciate more staff input.

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    • Zodd was likely not going to be fully serious against Guts as Grunbeld was able to damage him, but since Muzgus feat and Ganishka casual one, plus Guts being able to defeat Apostle Muzgus and survive Apostle Zodd, makes him and Base Grunbeld Low-End 8-B.

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    • Okay. I vaguely recall that Guts' durability was lower than his attack potency because his full power causes him great physical damage.

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    • Antvasima wrote:
      His full power causes him great physical damage.

      That comes from the Berserker Armor, which for now he only used it to kill Apostle Grunbeld.

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    • Okay. Never mind then.

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    • Dark649 wrote:
      Antvasima wrote:
      His full power causes him great physical damage.
      That comes from the Berserker Armor, which for now he only used it to kill Apostle Grunbeld.

      Didn't Guts and co run away from Grunbeld before they finished their fight? 

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    • PTSOXMONKEY99 wrote:

      Didn't Guts and co run away from Grunbeld before they finished their fight? 

      The fight is simple, Base Guts fought Base Grunbeld, but the latter overpowered Guts, so he had to escape and use the Berserker Armor in order to fight him, which forced Grumbeld to transform into Apostle Grumbeld, which held his own with Guts, but ended up being killed.

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    • Didn't  one of the witches create a fire that blocked him from chasing after them?

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    • Dark649 wrote:

      PTSOXMONKEY99 wrote:

      Didn't Guts and co run away from Grunbeld before they finished their fight? 

      The fight is simple, Base Guts fought Base Grunbeld, but the latter overpowered Guts, so he had to escape and use the Berserker Armor in order to fight him, which forced Grumbeld to transform into Apostle Grumbeld, which held his own with Guts, but ended up being killed.

      No. Grunbeld survived.

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    • Anyway, here is the full fight as i am not that much knowledgeble about the series.

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    • In the Grunbeld fight Guts was lethally injured, it's not that he couldn't fight base Grunbeld, its that he was currently dying and he needed the armor so he wouldn't die from his current wounds cause he just got out of fighting a God Hand. And he fought Zodd twice, the first time Zodd was definitely not at his best but the second Time on the hill of swords? Is debatable.

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    • Yeah the Grunbeld fight starts with Guts being overwhelmed by Base Grunbeld due to the fact that Guts is inhibited by a wound given to him by one of the God Hands that attacked him during his fight with the trolls.

      The Witch gives Guts the Berserker Armor so he can muscle through the pain and fight at 100% percent. Guts quickly overwhelms Base Grunbeld, even managing to block his dragon canon shot by using his own arm canon.

      Berserker Guts even managed to block two shots from Apostle Grunbeld, but at the cost of a broken arm and a broken leg. The fight ends with the Older Witch creating a wall of fire to block Grunbeld so Guts and Co can run away.

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    • Also, could someone expand more on the part where it states that the Berserker Armor tears Guts apart? Because the only instance of that that I remember was during the Grunbeld fight, and that was because he was tanking attacks that were too much for him, and as a result, broke his bones. In his other fights with his armor, he was fine iirc.

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    • Pretty sure they mean that since Guts doesn't care about pain he'd swing his sword so hard it'll shatter his own bones from recoil which the berserker armor will fix so he can continue fighting.

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    • That happened against a group of fodder Apostles I think.

      But when Berserker Guts fought the monster at the beach, his body was fine with the exception of the wound he got from the God Hand lady which reopened due to his movements. I think he was fine during the Sea God battle as well

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    • I think maybe in the battle on port? If not then that shouldn't be a thing.

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    • Which port battle?

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    • The battle before Zodd and Guts teamed up is the only other fight I can think where he used the armor

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    • The one against the weird elephant monsters? Cause every wound he got was from others attacks, not his own power.

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    • I vaguely recall he swung his sword hard enough to break his arms but if that doesn't exist then it obviously doesn't make a difference. They could be referring to when it says the armor tears into the bones and flesh but it does that to fix the bones and wounds, not cause further damage.

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    • Yeah, I didn't see that happening in the the port battle. Every attack he made, even after transforming, only hurt his opponents, not himself.

      The only instance of this I could find is when he tried to counter Grunbelds tail swing with his own attack, and then broke his arm/leg.

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    • Then that's more a case of Grunbeld>Guts then the armor itself.

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    • Well Grunbeld was made out of Corundum, which is stronger than steel, so makes sense.

      And Berserker Guts only managed to overwhelm Base Grunbeld, when he transformed, Guts could only defend against his attacks, to varying degrees of success.

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    • Okay, so the conclusion is that Guts' durability should be upgraded to the same level as his attack potency then?

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    • At least low end city block for fighting Zodd, potentially equal to his AP if we go by the fact ya need dura equal to AP to avoid damaging yourself. City block regardless if the Mozgus calc is accepted as Guts tanked the same attack that was calced even before getting the armor

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    • Okay. I suppose that seems fine.

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    • So, i can add City Block level for Base Guts and Grunbeld.

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    • Doesn't Zood scales from Skull Knight who scales from Berserker Guts tho? Also while we are at this, isn't the justification for the 8-B Berserker Guts calc stacking?

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    • There's a Mozgus calc that's city block, Skull Knight scales off Guts sure and Zodd off him and off Guts but that's for AP this is for durability. If ya want more justification he's capable of damaging/killing Zodd and high end Apostles with Dragon Slayer

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    • It could be, but they scales to Ganishka lightning and Apostle Muzgus Breath.

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    • Schierke also has a 45 ton feat if I recall too.

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    • If there are calcs, fine, they need to be linked tho

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    • Scheirke has a 45ton calc by Chaostheory, base Mozgus has a casual 20 ton calc, Ganishka can fry servants casually. There's stuff including a few things that could be calced at a later date. Personally id want to see Austrian Man meat's opinions as he seems to know his stuff and even did a respect thread for Guts.

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    • I mean yeah, Guts has a casual city block durability feat ages before he even gets his Berserker Armor, so he should scale.

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    • You can ask AMM to comment here if you wish.

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    • Supposed to be from withstanding a lightning bolt but there are some issues with that, I also have a big problem with giving Guts city block durability as it's a massive anomaly. 

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    • Guts defeated Muzgus, who took and survived his City Block level breath. So it's just that Apostle Grunbeld, Zood and Skull Knight are in the higher end of the tier while the God Hands are in the very high end for now unless they perform higher feats.

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    • Guts also already had a Small Building level feat before becoming the Black Swordsman, and after the eclipse he fought off monsters the size of buildings on an average basis.

      I agree that he should be on the lower end of city block by the time of Black Swordsman, for being able to survive blows from Zodd and Mozgus God Breathe, and maybe a little higher in the armor.

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    • Why would it be an anomaly when there's multiple showings? I can understand if it was a single instance but there is several things supporting it.

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    • Agreeing with J-Man

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    • I personally think that low City Block level durability seems to make sense.

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    • I also agree, so later i will apply them.

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    • Okay. Thank you for the help.

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    • TheJ-ManRequiem wrote:

      I can understand if it was a single instance but there is several things supporting it.

      What? Mind if you show me? The only thing we have indicating Guts to have city block durability is this instance where he "impales" Mozgus by falling onto his chest where his weakpoint happened to be. It didn't kill him as it was shielded by his holy book though. And also, Guts was clearly threatened whenever Mozgus wanted to burn him hence blocking with the Dragon Slayer (which actually does have another feat where it withstands great heat). So I disagree with scaling Guts' durability to Mozgus' flames, because even then it's not like Guts took the full brunt of the heat anyways since his surface area is only so big. 

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    • Guts took hits from Apostle Muzgus, whose casual flame wields on the 8-B range, later he survived an attack from Grunbeld despite being injured and became more durable since then.

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    • "Guts took hits from Apostle Muzgus, whose casual flame wields on the 8-B range"

      Well, Mozgus isn't an apostle he's a psudeo-apostle. Semantics aside, why should we scale Mozgus' physical punches to his god breath? Especially when Guts was not only had to use the Dragon Slayer to guard against it but also threw him over to prevent getting his face incinerated by him. Those two things don't support Guts being able to withstand that attack at all, and I'm not sure how Grunbeld fits in this either?

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    • He tanked hits from Zodd, either Zodd is building+ or Guts is city block. Saying he held back on the hill of swords when there's no reason to makes no sense. Pretty sure Guts tanked his breathe for a brief second. Grunbeld was discussed because people thought base Grunbeld>Guts when that was the case mostly because Guts was on death's door. Plus Grunbeld is above the majority of all Apostles and a high ranking member of neo band of the hawk.

      Anyway, either Guts is at least low end city block or the apostles he takes hits from are simply high end building.

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    • "either Zodd is building+ or Guts is city block"

      Honestly man, I don't think neither one is the case. Since the reason why Guts was building+ (getting hit by lightning) turned out to not be as impressive as I thought it would be, there was a thread calling the AP of lightning into question however I'm struggling in finding it. I would propose Guts be about 9-A or just scraping 8-C due to Guts fighting off against Wyald and later on the Makara. The 8-B stems from borderline calculation stacking methods on a speed feat which is extremely questionable say the least. 

      "Pretty sure Guts tanked his breathe for a brief second"

      He used the Dragon Slayer as a shield, even then you would need to divide the energy of the flames by the surface area of the Dragon Slayer. It did however get heated up to such a degree it was able to turn a good chunk of the Kundalini's body into vapor on contact, which was calculated to be City Block. 

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    • Guts tanked hits from Zodd and Grunbeld, who are city block, if Guts only had small building dura he'd be dead, not injured but flat out dead. And they don't need to scale off Guts, they can scale off Mozgus who while stronger than most apostles, likely isnt above Zodd or any of the hawk's current captains.

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    • "who are city block"

      Because we done kinetic energy on the Dragon Slayer when Guts performed a "High Hypersonic" feat and then smacked it on Grunbeld (because he didn't die when Guts was smashing him around and blocking his attacks) and Zodd most likely because he can fight against the Skull Knight who should be on par with a Berserker Guts despite us not seeing the two fight. Like I said before, that's incredibly questionable.

      "they can scale off Mozgus who while stronger than most apostles, likely isnt above Zodd or any of the hawk's current captains."

      Disagreed, while Guts can cleave through Zodd he was unable to harm Mozgus without targetting a specific weakpoint. 

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    • I never said they scaled in durability but rather AP. Unless ya expect me to believe Mozgus has the highesr AP out of everyone besides the God Hand.

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    • "Unless ya expect me to believe Mozgus has the highesr AP out of everyone besides the God Hand."

      He's the only one in the series who's taken a direct blow from the Dragon Slayer and came out of it unscathed. And why should we assume that Zodd's or Grunbelds physical attacks do more damage than Mozgus' fire breath when Guts could withstand the former but needed to use the Dragon Slayer to shield the latter? Also, the highest in AP would definately be Shiva Ganishka excluding the God Hand.

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    • And a quick skim through the Mozgus fight actually does show Guts tanking it briefly, right before he shoved Dragon Slayer in his mouth Guts is engulfed by it and even if we use the the Dragon Slayer as shield that'd only work if Guts didnt proceed to use it as a weapon, meaning he wasnt exactly covered for the entire duration, at the very least a large chunk of his body came into contact.

      Looking at it Guts is clearly shown taking it a second or two, his face is even in direct contact with a steady stream of it.

      And ignoring that, do we not got statements putting Zodd and Grunbeld above as the strongest opponents Guts has faced? Looking through the Zodd fight, Guts takes a direct blow from Zodd to the back and gets sent flying into a rock, no parrying or shielding.

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    • Actually going over the few pages, Guts did block it, but he still was hit by it point blank briefly. It may not have been very long but he did tank it, and in a subsequent panel, assuming he was already in the process of blocking it by then, he still explicitly shown being hit by it on some areas like his face, shown from the front no less.

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    • "Looking at it Guts is clearly shown taking it a second or two, his face is even in direct contact with a steady stream of it."

      This is a manga with still images, there is no real way to find out just how long he was in contact with the fire. It could be a millisecond, two seconds. Who knows. That also counts for the length of time it took Mozgus to vaporize those spirits as well, and now that I think about it we don't see any concrete melt away when it's caught on fire from him (which is not good news if you're supposed to have a city block potency) and the only thing it's effected were those spirits. Who have been shown to have some innate weakness towards it , so with that said it puts even the potency of the god breath into question. 

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    • Regardless he still tanked the God breathe, the length of time doesn't really matter, it obviously wasn't so fast it would mitigate the damage unless ya wanna argue for a speed upgrade. The vaping also doesn't really matter, it was clearly in a very short span of time so theres that. Plus worse comes to worse there's other feats that need to be calced that Guts would power scale to.

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    • "Plus worse comes to worse there's other feats that need to be calced that Guts would power scale to."

      Seems to be the case given the spirits being vaped are comprised of materials unknown to us (the calculation assumes what they could be made out of), they have a weakness to fire; everything else but the spirits was only set alight rather than melted or vaporized (which is a far cry from city block heat) which further indicates that these spirits weakness of fire hinder the calculation (due to them being very easy to burn) and we don't know how long it took for Mozgus to burn them. Without a proper timeframe, things get tricky. 

      "Regardless he still tanked the God breathe"

      I'd argue he had very minimum contact with it, as the blood on his face wasn't melted off when he turned to impale Mozgus' face (most likely due to blocking the stream with the Dragon Slayer). His body did get some hit from the flames, but then you you need to take surface area into account. And given that only a portion of the body was in contact with the flame, you're not going to be getting city block results. 

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    • Id argue that, he was clearly shown to be engulfed and in a subsequent panel he was shown from the front and Dragon Slayer wasn't blocking anything at that point. But there's a few feats I can think of that should yeild decent results which would definitely scale to Zodd, Guts abd the like.

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    • Feel free to clearly summarise your conclusions after you have finished this conversation.

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    • Okay, I've been gone for awhile, anyone mind summarizing the points for and against the upgrade?

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    • Guts AP is wonky so scaling for Zodd is messed up and AMM has issues with Mozgus calc and scaling from him to Zodd and co I think. So while that could be discussed we could take a simpler route and just calc random feats like Guts dispersing a typhoon, the tornado stuff, etc And if nothing if note happens, continue discussing the previous point.

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    • I'm fine with that, although there's still feats that shoukd be calced regardless. http://www3.mangafreak.net/Read1_Berserk_21_48 On a side note here's him tanking it, it completely engulfs him and on the next oage there's even a panel from the front showing his face covered in flames, meaning he didn't use Dragon Slayer to block immediately otherwise we wouldnt see his face, we'd see Dtagon Slayer. Plus even Mozgus breathed the fire on him he was down on the ground .

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    • Don't forget Mozgus also pummeled Guts with his God Blow and crushed him with his God Presure, which obliterated part of the bridge they were on

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    • Maybe but AMM doesn't think they scale to his breath, so him briefly being hit by said breath, from a semi top down perspective no less should be enough.

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    • There's also the fact that Guts once let himself get tackled into a building so he could get to the top floor, with little to no injuries.

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    • Eh that was in the armor and building isnt city block. http://www3.mangafreak.net/Read1_Berserk_22_76 But here's him being smacked by Zodd without defending himself.

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    • But still, causal building feat helps justify higher feats

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    • I suppose yeah.

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    • "there's even a panel from the front showing his face covered in flames"

      His face is bloodied, had his face been caught in the flames no stains would have remained. Especially from something with city block energy. Also his head is turned to the side and we see from that angle , making it possible the Dragon Slayer is guarding him. It would also make little sense if Guts wanted to throw Mozgus over to avoid a fire stream if he could just tank them head-first. Anyways this conversation only really matters if Mozgus' god breath is truly city block (which it isn't for reasons aforementioned) so I will just drop it.

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    • Well Lina did a recalc of the feat, and got Large Building level+, but keep in mind that it was low balled and here was still more goop that was vaporized that couldn't be seen

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    • The problem lies with the premise, how are we supposed to properly quantify how hot is Mozgus' god breath is when it only manages to vaporize spirits which have some innate weakness to fire? There is also the problem of Mozgus' god breath not being able to melt the very rocks or concrete it comes into contact with, which makes the feat even more questionable. 

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    • Mozgus shot the breath from an angle that would of hit the majority of him even if he was holding DS right in front of him which he wasnt when it happened, it shows him completely engulfed in the flames and while DS could if blocked some we see in a subsequent panel that hjs upper body is engulfed in the flames from the front which means DS isnt blocking anywhere near the majority of it yet. I mean Guts can tank blows from Zodd head first, but why would he continuously wanna do so? And the blood? Probably just inconsistency since it explicitly shows from the back and front his head is engulfed in the flames and it's the same attack as Mozgus says god breath before attacking.

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    • It never said they were weak to fire, they fear it yeah but nothing about them being weak to it. It could just be fear of light as spirits fear the morning sun and vanish when it comes.

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    • Even if we don't want to use the God Breathe feat, me and J-Man discussed how the Bersekrer armor doesn't bring harm to Guts, so his durability should still scale.

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    • "they fear it yeah but nothing about them being weak to it"

      Even if this where the case there's still the problem that they're supernatural beings comprised of materials we know next to nothing about and that the god breath was unable to vaporize or melt the rocks and concrete which it came into contact with. It can very well mean that these spirits have a terrible weakness to fire.

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    • Personally im fine with the breath. But if not we can always calc stuff like Zodd and SK by the tornado, Guts slicing through a typhoon, etc. But then again I'm not against it.

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    • "Even if we don't want to use the God Breathe feat, me and J-Man discussed how the Bersekrer armor doesn't bring harm to Guts, so his durability should still scale."

      Mind if you elaborated on this? Whenever Guts uses the armor he breaks bones and tears muscles apart, I'm not sure how attacks which damage the user greatly scale to their durability? Especially if said attacks can kill him under the right circumstances.

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    • Yet we know they're formed by a liquid like substance similar to goo or blood. And considering literally every other spirit fears light with a minor exception Guts' child, itd be more likely to assume they fear light too which is a given opposed to some weakness to fire unique to them that wasn't stated.

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    • In all of the scene of Guts fighting in the armor, I couldn't find Guts' armor hurting him.

      In his fight against the elephant monster on the beach, Berserker Guts used the armor just fine, with the exception of the wound he received from the God Hand lady which reopened due to his movements

      In his fight at the port, Berserker Guts uses the armor to take out several of the elephant monsters, and none of his bones break or are destroyed.

      Even with Schierke helping him control his armor, he was fine when using it.

      The only example of the armor hurting him is when he tried to counter Grunbeld's Apostle forms attacks with his own attacks, and resulted in a broken leg and arm.

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    • "Yet we know they're formed by a liquid like substance similar to goo or blood."

      Which vaporizes under heat which cannot even melt the bricks or concrete the God Breath comes into contact with. What I meant to say by "weakness to heat" is that going by feats it doesn't take much to burn them. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

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    • Do ya have an instance where normal fire caused massive dammage to them?

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    • Guts and co used torches to fend off the incoming swarm

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    • That would still be fearing light like all spirits, is there an instance where they're hurt by it to a noticeable degree?

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    • "Do ya have an instance where normal fire caused massive dammage to them?"

      Why should that matter when the god breath (a fire we see) sets the surrounding bricks and rocks on fire is enough to completely vaporize these spirits after some continuous fire. 

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    • Yeah, Farnese and co used torches to burn away a horde of the weird face monsters

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    • Because spirits already have a well defined fear? Which is light? Which fire emits? http://www3.mangafreak.net/Read1_Berserk_20_11 Plus the fire was like a pillar, it didnt even make direct contact with concrete or the walls.

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    • Ya have a scan?

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    • TheJ-ManRequiem wrote:

      Plus the fire was like a pillar, it didnt even make direct contact with concrete or the walls.

      It did

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    • I said direct contact, of course there would be residual flames. 99 The latter there is note worthy though, but vaporization is a lot different than burning, ya can burn a human and be street or vaporize like 20 humans and be above building+, so I'm honestly not sure. What's your opinion?

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    • "I said direct contact, of course there would be residual flames"

      It was direct contact, where we see Mozgus in the scan I linked is not the position he was in when he used god breath but rather, after he used it. He was standing around the altar beforehand and had a massive spirit effectively blocking the gate (which in effect also blocked Luca and co).

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    • We don't actually see him fire the breath, he could of easily moved before firing the breath and considering he was directly in the front of where the spirits where after it was said and done, the breathe in that scene was a pillar like beam and only made direct contact with the spirits (Isidro and friends dodged it too) and the he walks forward to pick up Casca. I'm clearly missing something, I don't see how he made direct contact.

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    • In the scan I linked, we see that there are bricks and rocks behind him which are set alight and you say this is the result of residual effects. However, if this was the case why are his disciples completely fine? The only way to explain that is if everything which was caught alight behind him was actually in front of him when he actually used the god breath, meaning he hit it directly and that his disciples were far enough from the stream so that they or their garments wouldn't also catch alight. 

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    • Well obviously his servants weren't hit by it but we do see later when Guts shoves DS in his mouth they catch fire from some deflected flames. Yeah the ground behind him is on fire but so is the ground in front of him and we clearly see his breath go over the ground without hitting it. Unless you're telling me he aimed it at the ground opposed to a straight line as we see it. But we clearly see the attack go in a straight line, vaping the goo and not hit the ground or side walls yet there's still residual flames, if he was as far back as ya say then yeah, there should be flames behind him considering we see him walk forward prior to that page to pick up Casca.

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    • "Well obviously his servants weren't hit by it but we do see later when Guts shoves DS in his mouth they catch fire from some deflected flames."

      What? 

      "Unless you're telling me he aimed it at the ground opposed to a straight line as we see it."

      I'm not, the god breath before it struck the spirit had a wide aoe (which explains why there is a wider range of flames in the corridor compared to the outside aka behind where Mozgus stood) which can explain how it hit the floor. By the way there is also the issue of Mozgus' clothes, his hat got burned by the tip of the flames and if there were severe residual effects his robe would be on fire also. It was fired in a straight line, wide but ultimately straight. A city block fire would have rendered those blocks to vapor compared to what is displayed here. Meaning, these spirits getting vaporized only means it took that level of heat to do the job.

      I'm done arguing this. If you want to discuss other options such as striking a tornado and what not, I'm all open for that.

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    • Fine we can discuss other feats for now. Let me grab some. Edit: http://www3.mangafreak.net/Read1_Berserk_31_102 Typhoon slash.

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    • The water serpent broke a ship and caused a small whirlpool. Gut was also directly inside the water serpent when he vaped it and tanked the resulting explosion.

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    • Also Zodd and Skull Knight fighting on the edge of the tornado? Isnt there a new rule of using anime timeframes for manga scenes if not contradictory? If so we could get a durability feat there.

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    • Right. If there are any other feats that need to be calculated for the scaling of this verse, feel free to post them on my wall.

      It seems that there are issues with Mozgus' God Breat feat calculation that I did, however.

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    • I think we're all leaning towards disregarding the Mozgus feat.

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    • Now its a matter of what feats should be calced, there's him vaporizing the serpent (which was 45 tons) and he performed it while inside of said serpent and tanked the resulting fireball. There's SK and Zodd fighting on the edge of a tornado. There's Guts slicing through a small typhoon but that's probably nothing big. There's probably more but i dont got time right now to reread Berserk, anything ya can think of?

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    • Didn't Wylad once run up a tower to blitz a guy, while he was tied up?

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    • Maybe but im talking about AP or Dura feats, Wyald has a mach 19 calc already that scales to Guts if i recall.

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    • Can't think of any atm

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    • I would like to re-calculate Guts vaporizing the water serpent just to find a proper yield for it, assuming the material was made of water or something.

      I think the calc needs to be done using Q = MC(Delta T)

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    • Where's the original calc?

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    • There's a link on Guts page.

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