That still doesnt justify his current standings in wiki ,he is listed as "possibly universal" character,which is not true.He had 50% universal power in BASE DKL,which gets 130 boost via scaling to uriel ,2 times
Darsh is way above universe level if we go by multipliers ,while he actually has universe level feat . His tier should be "Atleast 3-A ,possibly high 3-A" instead of "possibly 3-A"
Same for Uriel ,as he matched DKL in power,and was defeated by AoD form
3-A seems fine.High 3-A is for when you you have infinite 3D power or you have demonstrated 4D level in a galactic way or something. So @OP powering up 130 times doesnt grant you a jump in tier here, you need to be infinitely (literally) superior to a 3-A.
the black abyss thing is something Sheoth explained why it wasn't universal+ but i can't remember why. Also multipliers can't be used to make Darsh High 3-A due to the multiplier have to be infinity…The dimensional barriers idk if it was brought up or not in the past
infinite can be taken in many ways sometimes hyperbole making it not 100% reliable to say judas pain can absorb infinite energy that's saying Gara saw Uriel and DKL dash do infinite punches at each other
Sure, I can do that. Also, there are discussion rules prohibiting Bastard!! characters from being argued to be upgraded to 4-D or higher, perhaps it would be best to add a note about this specific topic there as well?
"But yes Cross, both of these upgrades can't be used and here's why. The Universal feat I debunked a while back ran on the common misconception that the 5.67 billion Tera-Adelhieds of Light energy needed were to break open the Black Abyss, when it was actually needed to break open God's Alcatraz dimension which was holding Dark Schneider at the time. This is a simple misunderstanding that is thrown around on several forum boards, and this person was simply one of them who took Abigail's explanation out of context."
The place where DS was sealed WAS black abyss,aka the dimension which YOU are talking about,where he met satan and the demon army,so again how did you debunked it ? Because I dont see anything else other than "misconceptions" you have about these dimensions
Again,I would say upgrade DS to solid 3-A,there is no reason not to .....same for uriel
No, you still don't understand. When Abigail said that Big Bang level energy was needed to free Dark Schneider, he was still under the impression that DS was in the Alcatraz Space. The guys on the Ark had no idea that Satan brought DS to hell from Alcatraz, including Abigail. In essence, the Big Bang level energy was needed for the Alcatraz Space, and not the Black Abyss.
Now, with this in mind, knowing that DS and Uriel shattered the Black Abyss and NOT the Alcatraz Space, what are you trying to prove?
"No, you still don't understand. When Abigail said that Big Bang level energy was needed to free Dark Schneider, he was still under the impression that DS was in the Alcatraz Space. The guys on the Ark had no idea that Satan brought DS to hell from Alcatraz, including Abigail. In essence, the Big Bang level energy was needed for the Alcatraz Space, and not the Black Abyss."
I dont know from where are you making up things,Satan and DS were both sealed in same dimension
"The guys on the Ark had no idea that Satan brought DS to hell from Alcatraz, including Abigail."
Thats litrally making things up.As soon as DS was sealed satan was already there,indicating they were sealed in same dimension which ws hell .Also it was lucifer who said the ower needed to break through is equal to that of big bang,which was AFTER he was sealed,so even if we say satan "brought" DS to hell (which isnt mentioned anywhere in manga) lucifer escaped from hell,which needed the energy equal to big bang
I can understand the confusion, but Hell and Alcatraz are 2 separate dimensions as confirmed in volume 21.
Alcatraz (the Sealed Dimension) is described here as a vast dimension imbued with the powers of God's light. As one might assume, Hell is clearly not like this in the story...
THIS is what I am talking about when I say that they are separate planes. The text clearly distinguishes Alcatraz and Hell as separate dimensions that Satan secretly linked to nab Dark Schneider from it. It is in bright plain English my friend: Alcatraz is a separate dimension, which Abigail and Lucifer were both convinced DS was still there and needed the energy of the Big Bang to break DS out of it, and NOT Hell, as they were unaware that Satan had dragged DS to hell from the Alcatraz dimension.
Yeah I guess,its pretty clear for me now .I have only read bastard !! once,so I didnt remember this instance...can you specify the chapter no where DS was sealed and this lucifer statement? I would appreciate it.Also do you think alcatraz is more harder to break than hell? Because if satan was imprisoned there,it should be more harder to break by logic
I would just like chapter numbers now to clear my remaining doubts if you can help to get more clear idea.Thanks