Alien X/ Celstialsapiens have similar statements, feats and portrayal as other supreme beings. The Creator from Wizard 101 scales from 3 characters simply because he created them, the speed of the Soul King scales from the fastest Bleach characters simply because he created the 3 worlds and is the most powerful in the series( correct me if I'm wrong), the One Above All scales to everything in Marvel because he created everything & is stated to be far more powerful than anything else.
This all seem very similar to the statements and feats Alien X have, as listed below, note that the usage of "Omnipotent" is used interchangeably as how this wiki uses the word "supreme being" i.e it simply means that he's above everything and anyone else in Ben 10, nothing more than that. :
Summary: Alien X has been shown to recreate the universe, meaning anything he recreated should scale to him + he's consistently refered to by WOG and credible characters as having the greatest power in the universe & being more poweful than anything else, which is similar to the portrayal that the Soul King, the Creator & The One Above All have.
"omnipotent" just means that's above everybody and anything else, same with " can do anything". The evidence being he recreated the universe, including every ability and power within said universe.
-If Alien X were to recreate a multiversal character or weapon, why would that not make him multiversal, when the Creator is multiversal simply for recreating 3 multiversal characters?
-Erasing everything is hax yes, but the range implies everything in the Ben 10 cosmos.
- And yes, he should be the fastest and strongest being in the unvierse, which means he should scale from Paradox and his weapon, that are both from the same universe + Paradox was one of the people who made that statement.
Creating a weapon that can destroy something in no way means you scale to it. I guess humans now scale to the nuke.
Omnipotent and can do anything are trown around in fiction a lot. Him recrating the universe is just that... Don't make it seem like it was something amazing given he is already Multiverse level. Creating something doesn't mean you have all of it's abilities unless proven.
Regardless, I don't know what your even trying to do hear?. We already scale Alien X to 2-B and possibly Infinite Speed. What more do you want?.
I don't think he should have all the powers of eveyone in the verse just because he recreated the universe... That's just Creation. Him being the strongest dosen't mean he has all their abilities either.
@Door You're basically saying Alien X should have every power within Ben 10 right? I'm kinda neutral for now and would prefer it if you waited a bit till we actually tiered most Ben 10 characters and their power and I'm also kinda busy myself in case a huge debate happens over this. Also the Chrono Navigator thread is more does the Navigator scale to itself rather than does it scale to Alien X. Also I think recreating the Time Bomb is sort of already accounted for but Professor Kukui has problems with this and I assume he is gonna bring arguments but only after the Chrono Navigator thread.
Also as a side note I am not 100 % sure anymore about everything being everything and how the Ben 10 cosmos even works anymore because Ben, Kevin, Rook and Servantis mind screwed me. I'll probably create a cosmology blog in February tho so I'll figure it out... eventually.
I mean it's not entirely useless, if the creators didn't say that Alien X can't manipulate mana then I'd probably agree that Alien X should get every power from at the very least every alien in the Omnitrix based on Azmuth saying he can do anything. But since they did I'm mostly neutral.
>Creating a weapon that can destroy something in no way means you scale to it. I guess humans now scale to the nuke.
You're making a false equivalence, he didnt create it by using materials and tools, he created it from literally nothingness, which is totatlly different from how humans create a nuke. This is in principple no different from how a character can create a planet-level energy blast from nothingness using only their hands.
If humans were able to snap a nuke into existance + were stated to be the source of the greatest power in the universe, they should definitely scale from nukes.
Yeah I know Omnipotent is thrown around alot in fiction, all I'm saying is that it portrays him as being above every other character and weapon in the series. That's how omnipotent is usually used,to imply a character is far above every other character
And yea you're right, I didnt know he got upgraded yesterday. His speed is still only "possible infinite" tho. Soul King gets speed scaling from every character in Bleach, I'm just suggesting we do the same to Alien X.
This thread is meant to add additional evidence as for why he is 2-B
I see, but what about the other WOG statements? And thx, will read the thread later.
Maybe not every, but he should definitely scale from the TimeBomb, Kukui's problem with the Chrono Navigator is that he's saying it isnt multiversal due to how long time it takes to much time to destroy stuff and that it's only a chain reaction, however, Dimentio and Count Bleck are listed as multiversal despite their void taking litererally the entire length of the Super Paper Mario story to erase all of existance. Peach managed to sleep twice, after the void had started growing.
Also his problem with scaling the TimeBomb to Alien X was that the timebomb isnt hax, whereas the "greatest power in the universe" refers to hax only, but existance erasure is considered hax, as @LordGriffin is also saying
Yeah just checked it was by Wayne. I just don't know how to reconcile Azmuth's they can do anything statement with the they can't manipulate mana statement aside from saying they can do anything indirectly by altering the universe, thus basically upgrading his information manipulation, or mana is just a special case and doesn't really contradict Azmuth's statement since they can still manipulate it but by taking the long way around.
@Door well to be fair Paradox is a bit of a special case since he's outside of time and all so he's not really "doing anything" to move at infinite speed so I think it should stay at possibly or we would have to get into all the other statements again like the one about acausality type 2 but we've just done that so I'd leave speed be for now.
@Greenshifter well, we dont accept author statements if they contradict the source material correct? Since the mana statement contradict statement from Azmuth, it should be dismissed. And okay, I will leave the speed for now.
okay, but if not every ability, is it sufficient enough to scale him from the chrono navigator and time bomb? since i really dont see how his portrayal, feat and statement differ from the Creator's from the Wizard 101 that scales to 3 characters he created, simply for creating them and being stated to be above them.
@My Area Yes I saw the stuff with Zen’ō but don’t know what the actual conclusion was, if Zen’ō gets a resistance tho, then Alien X should also get all powers in Ben 10 (or at least if we ignore the mana statement).
Well Alien X isn't the supreme being either, there are multiple of them and the Contemelia might be the supreme being. I'd bank mostly on Azmuth's statement here but I'd rather see the reasoning for Zeno first.
yea he isnt technically supreme being, but i dont know what better words to use. he is portrayed simialrly to supreme beings, with the only difference being that he's a part of a species all equal to him.
and nah, alien x was able to pierce a barrier that the contemelia deemed impossible, he's above them.
Contemellia supreme being ? evidance of celestialsapien not creating them ? Celestialsapiens have been stated to form a group and survive Omniversal destruction the best feat contimella have creating Universe and even for that they need technology Furthermore celestialsapiens are redesigned the franchise and it's art style making them wayyy above contemellia
Fine fine, I said supreme being cause they created all multiverses so relative to that structure they are supreme but I think neither the Contemelia nor the Celestialsapiens are true supreme beings since there can only be one to my knowledge.
A supreme being is a singular entity completely superior to everybody else in the setting. Celestialsapiens are equal to each other, hence not supreme.
1-yes celestialsapiens should be considered as a Supreme begins the fact that celestialsapien equal to each other doesn't mean they can't be considered as a suprême begins i mean yes celestialsapiens are equal to each other but they should be above anything in Ben 10 verse including weapons.
2-also i don't think that all celestialsapiens equal each other because the creator saied that a celestialsapien can lose to a other Celestialsapien if he is stronger than him