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  • Hello.

    I recently contacted Wikia's staff, citing our recent monthly number of page views according to Similarweb, to ask if they are sufficient to get an official Android store application, and received a reply:

    "Hi Antvasima,

    There aren't any specific numbers or criteria for when a community is ready to have an app, but those are certainly impressive numbers. I'll pass your request to our mobile team, and they'll take your community into consideration for their next batch of apps.

    In the meantime, please make sure your main page is curated for mobile users. This is a requirement to have an app, though it doesn't guarantee that we can approve you for one. You can learn more about how to set up your mobile main page here: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Curated_Main_Page

    Thanks!

    Eva Niroomand Community Support Manager"

    So, is anybody in the staff willing to spend some time checking out and evaluating what is necessary for us to change to get an Android application?

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    • I for one love the idea of a vsbattles app (though I couldn't get it because I have an iphone. I could use my old phone tho). I'll try to look at the link to try to evaluate it, but I don't know much about computer software. Heck, I don't even know if I used software correctly.

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    • Does anybody in our staff use a phone that has Android? Cause i don't have one atm so.....yeah.

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    • Well, the main problem that I could see is that, given how controversial nature that our wiki has compared to ones focusing on a single series, we have had to place links to lots of rules and instructions in the front page.

      These are absolutely necessary to keep some semblance of order in the wiki, so if we have to remove them, in order to streamline the front page for the application, we would be in serious trouble.

      But maybe it is possible to only streamline the front page for the mobile application, and keep the regular one as it is?

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    • Uh......nah.....that sounds like that could cause us into serious trouble indeed, Ant. Nah.....nah.

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    • We could always just provide links to the rules instead. Don't we have like, 4 pages for rules? Think of it like the terms of service and agreement (I think that's what it's called)

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    • We have like 5 page rules.

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    • I think we could always just say something like:

      Please read the rules here, here, here, here, and here (pretend there's links on each of the heres.)

      It could be ***in asterisks***, or in bold, italics, IN ALL CAPS, or ***ALL*** so people can't miss it.

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    • We do currently have links to the rules on the front page.

      Anyway, that is why I would appreciate if some staff members could try to evaluate this.

      http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Curated_Main_Page

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    • Links added here can be to any piece of content on your community — articles, blog postsvideos, etc. These items will appear in a slider-style layout that can cycle from one linked image to another.

      For each item, you can set the displayed text, the linked page, and an image. Images can be existing images from the community, or you can upload a new one. Use the image cropping guide after adding an image.

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      That's from the thing you linked to us. We could do the thing in the first paragraph.

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    • Do you want us to do it by phone or even Tablet? Cause i don't have one and i'm more of someone who uses a computer more when going on here and such. @Antvasima

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    • Are you sure it can only be for Android, Ant? At best I can use a relative's Android to help if what Cross said is true and we can only do it from phone/tablet.

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    • Well, maybe it is enough to click the "Edit Mobile Main Page" link, and edit that, while leaving our regular front page layout as it is?

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    • So, would any of our administrators be willing to start editing the mobile layout page to look fun and attractive for casual visitors?

      We should probably strictly stick with linking to the entertaining, and the easy to understand informative pages, within it, not the rules, help section, and calculation instructions.

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    • If it helps, I'll give as much advice as I possibly can.

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    • Thank you.

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    • I use Android and i wanna see it if it's made. Also if this goes through....PLEASE tell me this won't be a paid app.

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    • No. These applications are free as far as I am aware, but, in order to get one, we are under a ticking clock regarding creating a mobile interface for the front page.

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    • so we could have an app for this wiki eh? sweet

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    • Only if one or more of the administrators and/or content moderators are willing to help out with editing the mobile interface page. I am thoroughly exhausted myself, and do not have the energy.

      Other staff members should also feel free to offer advice regarding which page links that we should focus on in the layout.

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    • I'd hate to sound like a stick in the mud, because I think us having an app would be something extremely cool and fun to have. But it kind of seems like something that'd realistically require more work and attentiveness for the staff than that which would be rewarded through having an app.

      Though I shouldn't be the last say on this and if other administrators believe they could handle this on their own, then I support the decision. Sadly I would not be able to assist as I do not have an Android phone.

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    • Actually, all that we need to do is design an appropriate mobile front page. The wikia app development team would do the rest.

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    • I like the idea


      I have an Android and, due to school and everything, I check the wikia from my phone (Like.... Right now.)

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    • I might be getting an Android phone somewhere down the line, but at the moment I have a Windows phone, meaning that I won't be much help in this matter.

      I suppose I can pop in again once I do get one.

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    • Just to clarify: You do not have to possess an Android phone in order to edit the mobile interface for the front page.

      There are two edit buttons visible there:

      To the left there is the regular one, and to the right the one for mobile phones and Android applications.

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    • As a content moderator, I thought that it would be visible for you, but perhaps it is admins only locked?

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    • Unfortunately, I only see the standard edit buttons.

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    • Okay. Perhaps only administrators can see the "Edit Mobile Main Page" button? I took a screen capture above in any case.

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    • I don't use my phone to check the wiki so for me this makes no difference, but i see why this may be good for a lot of people.

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    • Well, I hope that it will increase our number of visitors.

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    • I noticed on mobile, you can't actually access the threads from the home page with working in desktop mode. We should likely link the forums, as well.

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    • I do not think that linking to the forums on the separate mobile layout page is a good idea.

      The application is likely just for casual visitors who wish to read the profile pages, and explanations for our terms and concepts, not the ones who wish to interact with others here.

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    • Okay.

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    • Does anyone mind if I add a few random things to the design temporarly (as in delete them again right away), to figure out how everything works and looks?

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    • I think that would be fine.

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    • It is probably good to insert a description at the top, about that this is the world's largest English statistics indexing wiki, featuring characters from a wide variety of fictional franchises.

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    • Then it is a matter of linking to character indexes, and the most relevant information pages.

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    • Ok, I have looked a bit into it now.

      So we first should talk about what comes where.

      First in the "Optional Categories" section I would put a link to the "Powers and abilities" category, to the "weapons" category and to the "Important" Category.


      For the "Feature Categories"-Section we could make Sections/Categories for "Anime", "Manga", "Cartoons", "Comics" etc. and simply sort in the categories of the verses accordingly.

      Additionally I would suggest doing a tab for characters, which leads to categories our characters are usually sorted into, like for once again the different media they come from (so the "anime characters" category for example), gender, species etc.


      Leaves the question what is supposed to go into the "Featured Content" tab.

      Well, this is where kavpenys "featured articles" contest (or what you want to call it) would have come in handy. I'm not quite sure what we should put there...

      Any suggestions for that part?


      Aside from that we would require fitting pictures for all the sections (only the top sections for the rest I would just take what is suggested for now). The images will be cropped to squares. So if someone would have suggestions for fitting images that would be great.


      I would be willing to take care of sorting the categories into the sections.

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    • About the description thing: Is that possible? For me it seems like the page is so highly standardized that one can not insert text fields on ones own.

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    • Perhaps valued respect threads of popular franchises and pertinent information that would help the viewers get at least a basic understanding of the current character ratings such as AP, Tiering System, lifting strength, striking strength, speed and durability.

      I agree with the category suggestions.

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    • @DontTalk

      Well, the categories that we definitely need links for are probably "Verses"/fictional franchises, "Powers and Abilities", and "Terms".

      Possibly "Characters" and "Weapons" as well, although the former contains several thousand entries, which may make it too extensive to be easily overviewed.

      The more relevant audience-interest subcategories, such as "Anime Characters", and "Comicbook Characters" suffer from much of the same problem, but are not a bad idea othervise.

      "Male Characters", and "Female Characters" on the other hand do not, intuitively speaking, seem nearly as interesting and necessary for a casual viewer.

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    • I do think that we need a brief description text in the vein of:

      "Welcome!

      VS Battles is the world's largest English language wiki for indexing character statistics, featuring a wide variety of fictional franchises from all types of media.

      Please enjoy your visit."

      Or something like that.

      However, if that is not possible, I suppose that there isn't much that we can do about it.

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    • @TheMightyRegulator

      The more relevant explanation blogs are supposed to be linked to in their related verse pages, so as long as the visitors have the "Verses" category accessible, that should hopefully not be a problem..

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    • I just got back from an exhausting, 12 Hour long Bus trip, and I'm practically dead, but reading over this Wiki I must say I like the idea. It would increase our views and relevance even further.

      Sadly, I don't know anything about web-design and complex coding, so I can't do much help in making the front page.

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    • @Matthew

      Well, it does not seem to require any coding, but we do need to try to make it look appealing.

      DontTalk asked for help with finding good images for the various sections, for example.

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    • OK, Terms I will add and I will leave out female/male characters.

      I agree characters is too large, that is why I would only put the media in, which are still large but to less of an extent. Just so that a complete listing exists.

      Aside from that categories such as "Humans", "Aliens" or "Supreme Beings" could be more limited interesting options.


      Well, for the text I have nothing against it, just that I don't know how to add it (I can imagine that one can't because the page possibly has a strict standard format since it has to be used for the app).


      I will start adding the categories for now and we can do improvements and changes later on (Just because I want to get things done, given that I just happen to be motivated today).

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    • @DontTalk

      Regarding the "Featured Content", perhaps we could simply link to the most relevant explanation pages there, such as the tiering system, and the other pages linked under "Important Information" in our regular front page?

      Thank you for the help in any case.

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    • Btw: I updated my last few posts.

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    • Alright, I checked out a few wikia's yesterday to see how this site could implement a curated main page. Here are some examples. Berserk wikia and the JoJo wikia

      Screenshots from Berserk main page

      Screenshots from JoJo main page

      One thing that we can see, is that linking to the rules on the main page is something that we can do. We can even include a warning about spoilers if need be judging from the screenshots. Featuring featured content as DontTalk proposes would be a good idea, but maybe having the most known verses as featured content would be more effective.

      More interesting features I could see is a forum feed (inc me xD) and even a blog feed. Both sound quite usefull as a forum feed could make monitering content a bit more easier and the blog feed would be quite essential for calculation team to just scout for calcs and leave feedback.

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    • I use Android...if that even helps.

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    • @Austrian-Man-Meat: Those are the desktop version of the main pages, not the smartphone versions, I think? (the smartphone version of jojo wiki looks like this)

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    • @AMM

      Thank you for the information.

      Although isn't this just for casual visitors? I thought that it was not even possible to post in forums and blogs, or edit pages from the mobile interface? As such, wouldn't they be unnecessary? Or have I misunderstood?

      Also, most of our blogs are calculations. I doubt that they are of much interest to said casual visitors.

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    • On another note: In order for categories to be listable the category pages have to be created it seems (in other words a piece of text has to be put on them). So I will go around and do that with only the most basic description for all verse categories that weren't already created.

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    • @DontTalk

      Well, I do not like the Jojo wiki's mobile interface, with lots of video uploads.

      Trending articles might be an idea, but will likely also clutter the page too much.

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    • Antvasima wrote:
      @DontTalk

      Well, I do not like the Jojo wiki's mobile interface, with lots of video uploads.

      Yeah, does not look very aesthetically pleasing to me either.

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    • @DontTalk

      Okay. Thank you for the help, although I think that I have fixed that previously for most of the category pages.

      Also, this image should preferably be included at the top of the page.

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    • One thing I should probably point out at this point:

      At least to my understanding the curated main page follows a very strict setup. I believe except adding to the "featured content", "featured categories" and "optional categories" section, with the options the tool (the thing that comes up when one clicks Edit Mobile Main page") gives nothing is editable.

      (as mentioned that is likely that way since the app developers integrate the page into the app later on)


      I also have a suggestion: Given that I add the verse categories per hand either way I wonder if we should restrict ourself to listing verses with more than 5 charactes or in other words notable franchises.

      That way one has a better chance of actually finding what one searches for, since they then don't suffer from the problem with the large amount of entries that much anymore. I have decided to instead index all verses, after the correct media using categories.

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    • I do like the ideas, and I support the category / other linked pages suggested earlier.

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    • I have an idea. We can have on the front page a thing that cycles through new articles. 

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    • What Real Cal Howard said is a pretty good idea.

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    • That can be a good idea of Cal's, yeah.

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    • Off-hand comment, but i am surprised that DT is actually doing quite a lot for us to do this App thing.

      Though i thought he was busy doing something on his end? Hmm...

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    • ^I have postponed my exam to a date a month later, since I was not nearly prepared enough.

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    • ^Oh okay~ That makes sense now. Carry on.

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    • Antvasima wrote:
      Actually, all that we need to do is design an appropriate mobile front page. The wikia app development team would do the rest.

      Alright then. Thanks. I support the decision if that's the case.

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    • I'm not particularly tech-savvy, nor do I own an Android device, so unfortunately I've little insight to offer that hasn't already been said.

      Would we have to rework just the main page to be compatible with becoming an app, or do we have to work on more than just that?

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      ^More or less all we have to do/are able to do is to add a few articles/categories to stuff in a pre-layouted seperate front page for smartphones.


      So I have finished sorting the first 200 verse pages into media categories (all to including J). The rest I will do tomorrow, as I am going to sleep for now.

      I have posted 2 screenshots on how the page currently looks for smartphone, since the desktop view is always not quite to scale.

      Non the less here is the desktop view of the smartphone version of the frontpage so that you can get a full view on what is on it.

      With that I want to ask again for suggestions of fitting images for the Squares on the front page.

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    • It looks real nice. Just a suggestion. Would it be possible to change the page pics, or no? Because having Ah My Goddess and Game of Thrones as the pics for two things may be confusing. If we can't change it then so be it, but I have an idea for the replacements if otherwise.

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    • Yeah, having  same images for anime and manga seems off to me.

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    • See my comment above. I really just wait for suggestions for which pictures I should replace them with.

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    • Characters: IDK

      Anime: Dragon Ball

      Manga: Bleach

      Comic: DC

      Cartoon: Steven Universe (Though Adventure Time works)

      Game: Pokemon (or Undertale)

      Light Novel: fine as it is

      Visual Novel: fine as it is, though I'd personally think Dangangropa fits best

      TV Verses: Supernatural

      Book Verses: Fine as it is (or Harry Potter or Percy Jackson)

      Movie Verses: Either Star Wars or the Marvel Cinematic Universe

      Powers and Abilities: Energy Manipulation

      The rest are fine as they are. I don't have anything for important.

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    • Hmm... can I get specific pictures?

      Dragonballs verse page picture for example won't work since it isn't approximately a square (side proportions of the fields are 1:1, rest is cropped).


      For Visual Novels I wouldn't take Danganropa, since, at least in my experience, it is by far not as well known as When they Cry or Fate/Stay Night.

      For Movies I would tend for Star Wars.

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    • I didn't know Fate was a VN. Definitely fate. I'll give you specifics for pics when I get home though. I'm at dinner right now with my stepfather and ironically using my phone to do this.

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    • I got some of them:
      Bleach n ichigo
      Dc comic
      Steve u
      Logo Pokemon
      Logo-ubw
      Dragon ball original
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    • Again, thanks a lot to DontTalk for all of the help.

      Given their current popularity, I suggest using a Marvel Comics image for the Comicbook Characters category, a One Piece image for the Manga Characters category link, Steven Universe for the Cartoon Characters link, Game of Thrones or Harry Potter for the Book Characters, and Star Wars for the Movie Characters.

      For video games, Maybe Mario, Zelda, or Final Fantasy?

      Maybe To Aru or Fate Stay Night for visual novels?

      Anime is also trickier, since it recurrently overlaps with manga. Perhaps it is redundant for the front page? Alternately, we could use Dragon Ball.

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    • I also suggest using the text "Anime Characters" instead of "Anime Verses", and so forth, as "Verses" is a made-up term that casual viewers will not intuitively relate to.

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    • Oh yeah, same as Ant. Thanks for the big help in all this, DT. ^^;

      Hmm. I say that what Ant said for Comicbooks, Manga, Cartoons, and Books sound reasonable. They do sound very popular atm.

      To Aru for VN's? I say that can be used. Then again, it's one of the only VN's besides maybe the Fate series that can be used and of what i know so.....yeah? Maybe either To Aru or Fate/Stay Night can be good.

      I can't say much for that of VG's, animes and manga's, tho...

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    • To Aru is a light novel

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    • Okay. Sorry. Then To Aru for light novels, and Fate for visual novels.

      I am fine with an image from Supernatural for TV series.

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    • Sorry for the mistake on there as well, Prom.

      But yeah, we can go To Aru with LN's, Fate (probably Fate/Stay Night one most likely) for VN's.

      How's that sound.

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    • I would prefer if we remove the videos list from the main mobile page in any case, as it clutters the page severely.

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    • Should we also make some sort of landing article specifically for the mobile page? Maybe something at the top as well, so it catches their attention and introduces them to the wiki itself since mobile has a preset format.

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    • Maybe. Maybe not.

      It would be better to include the introduction text that I wrote above into the front page, but if that is impossible, I am not certain that an entire page for such a small notice is entirely necessary.

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    • Unfortunately theres not too much I can help out with here without reiterating what others have already said, but the examples of series to have on the homepage seems good to me.

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    • Antvasima wrote: Maybe. Maybe not.

      It would be better to include the introduction text that I wrote above into the front page, but if that is impossible, I am not certain that an entire page for such a small notice is entirely necessary.

      Well, our current main page introduces VSBW as it is, so I thought condensing that may have some value. If we only put articles up there, they may be meaningless to people who have no experience with a similar system.

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    • Okay. Do you have a suggestion for the text explanation that we should put in such an introduction page?

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    • A short description of how we tier, followed by a summary of the most pertinent rules and a final redirect to the forum section (because it seems we do not have that linked anywhere on the main page, so it may not be apparent we have one) and/or main page again.

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    • Well, again, it depends on whether or not people using the mobile interface can even edit pages, or write posts in the forum. If not, it would be redundant.

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    • OK, lets go through the suggestions:

      Anime: Used picture by cal

      Manga: Used this.

      Comics: No change to this point. Please suggest a specific picture to use. Thanks.

      Cartoons: Used pic suggested by cal, but due to cropping it to a square the writing is cut of, so maybe we should use another one.

      Visual Novels: Used picture suggested by cal, but maybe we should use a picture with characters instead of just writing, since more appealing for a viewer

      TV Series: Used this since it was avaiable. If someone gives me a picture of supernatural I will replace it (the supernatural picture I found on their verse page didn't work since it wasn't approximately a square and just writing isn't very appealing in the first place)

      Games: Used this picture of Link.

      Light Novels: No change, since To Aru seemed to be agreed on.

      Books: Used Harry potter, with this image.

      Movies: Used Star Wars, with this image.

      Powers and abilities: Used picture on the energy manipulation page, as suggested.

      With this we have left Terms, Important, Characters and weapons.


      About the naming: Since the categories (except the characters category) lead to the verse pages, I would consider it unfitting to name them "Anime Characters" etc.

      Just naming them "Anime", Manga", "Comicbooks" etc. might be a idea?

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    • I am fine with naming them as "Anime", Manga", "Comicbooks", etcetera.

      I also agree that Doctor Who is a more fitting/prominent image for the TV series link than Supernatural.

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    • I have also asked in the Community Central forums if it is possible to remove the trending articles, and videos sections, as they clutter the page considerably.

      I have not received an answer though.

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    • It might also be a good idea to move the categories "Weapons", "Powers and Abilities", "Terms", and "Important" from "Optional Categories" to "Featured Categories", as that is where you placed the "Characters" category.

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    • I think it'd better to shorten the names to "Anime", "Manga", "Comicbooks", etcetera.

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    • The difference between featured categories and optional categories is actually not just placing, but also functionality.

      In the Featured categories section is made so that you create one button/picture (the characters picture in this case) and if clicked on you go to a list of the things that fall under that (in the case the page with the Anime Characters, Comic Characters etc. categories). And once you click on one of those you go to the category content.

      So the hierachy in that is Folder > Subfolders > content


      The "other categories" section on the other hand lists the categories directly, so that if one clicks on the corresponding button one directly gets to the content of the category.

      So the hierachy here is Folder > content


      Hence the Characters category is the only one that can and has to go into featured, since it lists the subcategories/subfolders "Anime characters", "Manga Characters" etc., while all others jump directly to content.

      The layout in the end does not seem to show any difference between the two on the top level (except that the featured are the first in the list).

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    • Okay. Never mind then.

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    • Here is an image that can be used for the comicbooks category by the way: [1]

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    • Hey guys,

      I admit I haven't read the whole thread, so I might be completely misguided here, but just in case it helps:

      App users won't be able to create or edit pages, so instructions on how to do that aren't relevant to them. You'll have two completely separate main pages: Your current one, that can stay as it is and contain the rules you need on it, and your mobile main page, which will only be shown to app users and those reading in a mobile browser (on their phones, where they're also less likely to make edits).

      The main purpose for your mobile main page is to showcase your best content and to make sure app users can find it easily.

      I hope this is relevant information. If not, feel free to ignore :)

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    • Oh that's good to hear, Mira.

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    • Yes. Thank you very much for the information.

      I have also received some more good news from Wikia:

      "Hi Antvasima,

      I have good news: Since your community is very popular and consistently well maintained, you've been approved for an app. It can take a few weeks to set up, but a fully curated mobile main page will speed up that process. Your regular main page doesn't need to be changed at all, it can stay as it is. The mobile main page, which you can curate with that tool, will be your main page in the app, and will be shown to all users visiting the main page in a mobile browser. Most users who edit the wiki visit it from desktop, so they'll continue to see the same main page they see now.

      Once the app is set up, it'll be available both for Android and iOS, and it will have Discussions, Wikia's newest app feature. If you're not familiar with it yet, you might want to find out more here: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Discussions .

      If you have any questions about Discussions or the apps process in general, I'm happy to answer!

      Best,

      Eva Niroomand Community Support Manager"

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    • Coolio.

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    • Yes.

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    • One rather important issue though:

      If the application users are going to be able to participate in discussions, we likely need to provide links for the Site Rules, Discussion Rules and Versus Thread Rules pages at the bottom of the mobile site's front page.

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    • That's even more cool to hear, Antvasima.

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    • Here are some suggestions for images that we could use for the rules buttons.

      I rather liked this one.

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    • This one was pretty funny to me.

      But your recommendation is also great.

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    • That one looks funny but seems a bit forceful.

      Ant's suggestion doesn't get as much of the vibe of that for me and it's okay enough IMO.

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    • The image that I suggested likely needs to be modified so the white background turns transparent though.

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    • Any ideas what should be done at the moment? It seems that the Wiki staff have approved your request for the creation of an app for this site.

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    • Well, DontTalk has continued to sort all of the verse pages into categories, so he will likely not be able to help out with updating the comicbooks image, and inserting links to the rules pages, until after he is finished.

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    • You could help out by reading up on this page, to see if the application users will contribute to our regular forums?

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    • Apps users probably won't find their way to your regular forums, which aren't all that mobile-friendly, but they have Discussions to talk. You'll find that the conversations on Discussions may be a bit different in pace, tone, and topics as your forum discussions - or at least this is what we've seen with other communities. App users tend to respond faster, but type shorter posts, because no one really likes to type a lot on their phone keyboards. That often makes Discussions feel a bit like a feature in between a chat and a regular forum.

      It has its own rules page, too, since we need to be sure the rules can be read easily on every possible mobile device. That doesn't mean the regular wiki rules don't apply to Discussions users, but not all of them may be relevant to them, and you might find you'll need a few entirely new rules that only apply to Discussions.

      This is just a heads-up that there's a specific rules page meant for Discussions users that you'll want to customize. It may be enough just to put all the rules that are relevant for Discussions users in there - but you'll see what works for you once the apps are ready.

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    • Okay. Thank you for the information.

      I would greatly appreciate if you could inform us about the URL for the app forum rules, in case the page is editable.

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    • Is it the following page? (After the App is activated that is.)

      http://vsbattles.wikia.com/d/g

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    • Exactly, that's the one!

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    • Okay. Thank you for the help.

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    • Seeing that you guys are already fully in the swing of preparing for the app, I've gone ahead and switched on Discussions for you. The app will still take some time before it hits the app stores, but if you want to, you can now already customize your Discussions guidelines and think about whether you want to place a link to Discussions here on the wiki somewhere.

      The app users won't need a link, they'll have Discussions as a central feature along with the articles and mobile main page, but desktop users and mobile browser users can talk in Discussions just as well - if there's a way for them to find it from the main wiki.

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    • Thanks a ton for all your help, @Mira Laime. It is most appreciated.

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    • Yes. Thank you.

      Anyway. Now the question is which of our Site Rules, Discussion Rules, and Versus Thread Rules that we should leave out when copying to the rules page?

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    • Well, I don't think we should remove any of the Site Rules, as they are basically etiquette for the most part.

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    • Well, the rules for the staff should probably be left out.

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    • I have now made a first edit to the rules page. Feel free to tell me if I should add or remove something.

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