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    00:04, January 25, 2020

    Darth Vader's 2nd key. High 7-C vs 7-C. Speed is equalized, Yujiro starts in Demon Back to make things more fair. Both have previous knowledge on each other.

    Yujiro: 0

    Darth Vader: 7 (Schnee One, Wright Way, Milly, OblivionOfTheEndless, StalkerMaggot and Soupywolf5, SoulOfCinder)

    SCP-682: 0

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    • Eh, Vader outranges by a wide margin and can just TK Yujiro whenever he pleases or just abuse his beloved Force Choke

      He also has better AP and Dura

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    • Hmmm you're right

      But how was it applied versus people comparable to Darth Vader? What is Darth's AP?

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    • Inb4 Yujiro via skill.

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    • KGiffoni wrote:
      Hmmm you're right

      But how was it applied versus people comparable to Darth Vader? What is Darth's AP?

      Above 135 kilotons iirc

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    • Then it's a difference below 4x (since Yujiro is vastly above 65 kilotons). Yujiro opens with usual H2H combat, only resorting to abilities and the such later on. 

      What does Darth Vader lead with?

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    • Force choke gg.

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    • Vader has ridiculously better lifting strength allowing him to practically ragdoll Yujiro and has a massive range advantage.

      TK+Force Choke and redirect make this a comfortable win for Vader.

      Funny if he wasn't as adept in the force as he is he would have lost

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    • True enough. Alright, votes counted.

      Yujiro's main weakness is opponents with some kind of telekinesis.

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    • Vader FRA.

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    • The AP gap will be smaller after I revise Yujiro though, I will say that.

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    • Vader FRA then

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    • Zerg FRA

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    • Schnee One wrote:
      The AP gap will be smaller after I revise Yujiro though, I will say that.

      Worth waiting or do you think the result would be the same?

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    • Also wtf these are some fast votes

      Counted

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    • As the clash between almost supernatural swordsmanship and martial arts finally came to a close, Yujiro kneeled on his Right knee, clutching the multiple wounds he had been given during the fight.

      Is this to be my end...? To be bright down by something hardly considered human?

      He didn't have much to think about as the man in Dark strolled slowly with his Red Blade making noise as he slowly walked over too him.

      "No force, No Saber, yet still strong.....Who are you?" The man in black spoke with a raspy speech as he breathed through his mask.

      Yujiro smiled, this is what it took to finally bring defeat to him? He attempted to find what little splice he had in finally finding someone stronger then he.

      "It no longer matters." Yujiro spoke.

      "It does, you expect me to kill you"

      Yujiro's eyes widened in response, he wasn't going to be killed?

      "Anger, Rage, Greed, the will to fight the strong, a near perfect candidate I'd say.....Rise"

      Yujiro rose up, clutching his wounds but standing on both legs.

      "You expect me to fall under orders? Like some dog on a leash" Yujiro spoke bitter, but almost mockingly

      "You want to be the strongest, yet turn down the opportunity to for more strength and training? You can surpass even those stronger then you that I know, yet you wish to die here?"

      Well, that's a good point

      "So what do you want from me?" Yujiro asked curiously

      "Join me, learn even more techniques, those your feable fists cannot even begin to understand, you can become far stronger then even you can imagine"

      Yujiro wasn't going to die without being the strongest whoever lived, no matter what the ordeal, no matter the humiliation, or what he must suffer through.

      "Fine then, teach me" Yujiro hesitantly agreed.

      "Good. Follow me to my ship."

      "My."

      "Apprentice"

      Jesus my hand hurts.

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    • KGiffoni wrote:

      Schnee One wrote:
      The AP gap will be smaller after I revise Yujiro though, I will say that.

      Worth waiting or do you think the result would be the same?

      He'll be baseline High 7C I think

      The only thing that might change is his info analysis. Since he can identify the respirator on Vader.

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    • Schnee One wrote:

      KGiffoni wrote:


      Schnee One wrote:
      The AP gap will be smaller after I revise Yujiro though, I will say that.
      Worth waiting or do you think the result would be the same?
      He'll be baseline High 7C I think

      The only thing that might change is his info analysis. Since he can identify the respirator on Vader.

      Meh, i don't think Vader does his choke thing in melee range so Yujiro wouldn't be able to do hit him tbh

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    • We all know Yujiro is too prideful to accept being a discipule of someone

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    • Honestly, if he could have access to being even stronger and possibly being the strongest around, I would actually see him doing that

      Of course, once he gets that strong, he would try to kill his master, which falls perfectly in line with the rule of two.

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    • Peace is a lie, there is only passion.

      Through passion, I gain strength.

      Through strength, I gain power.

      Through power, I gain victory.

      Through victory, my chains are broken.

      The Force shall free me.

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    • Yeah i think he would if he wasn't the strongest in his verse by default


      Ooc, how does one obtain The Force? I'm not known of Star Wars

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    • You have to have a special brand of DNA known as Medichlorians.

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    • It's a natural thing, it passes through every living being, even plants, some are more force sensitive then others.

      Wright can explain it better

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    • I'm kidding, btw. The Medichlorians explaination is notoriously hated in the fandom.

      Anyways, serious explanation time. The Force is basically a sentient cosmic force that flows through all beings. Being good with the force us the same as being good at any other skill. Some people are gifted naturally, others need practice, and others still just plain suck.

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    • Kinda fell like this is a stomp.

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    • Kinda wonder how Vader would fair against Ikki tbh

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    • Darth Vader FRA.

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    • The Wright Way wrote:
      I'm kidding, btw. The Medichlorians explaination is notoriously hated in the fandom.

      Anyways, serious explanation time. The Force is basically a sentient cosmic force that flows through all beings. Being good with the force us the same as being good at any other skill. Some people are gifted naturally, others need practice, and others still just plain suck.

      Can't Yujiro copy The Force then

      He could master Xiao Lee, a martial art that needs more than a century of heavy training to fully master, in a few seconds

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote:
      Darth Vader FRA.

      Counted, Grace starts

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    • I don't think that would make him stronger than Vader. You know, the literal Chosen One?

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    • KGiffoni wrote:

      The Wright Way wrote:
      I'm kidding, btw. The Medichlorians explaination is notoriously hated in the fandom.

      Anyways, serious explanation time. The Force is basically a sentient cosmic force that flows through all beings. Being good with the force us the same as being good at any other skill. Some people are gifted naturally, others need practice, and others still just plain suck.

      Can't Yujiro copy The Force then

      He could master Xiao Lee, a martial art that needs more than a century of heavy training to fully master, in a few seconds

      I mean, it's still not exactly a Martial Art.

      Plus, Vader's "technique" is literally just him pinching his fingers and making him suffocate.

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    • I know, but if it's something obtained through skill and training then it could work out

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    • The Midichlorians are more like Translators for the Force, not the Force itself. The more Midichlorians you have, the better you can communicate with the Force.

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    • Schnee One wrote:
      Kinda wonder how Vader would fair against Ikki tbh

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    • Vader would fucking obliterate Ikki. Don't at me.

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    • This should be added, no?

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    • @the wright way I know stating that Yujiro would be able to copy the force might be a bit out there. But at the same time, Yujiro was able to copy Baki’s move that just made a spectral triceratops appears behind him. Yujiro can analyze things all the way down to the cellar level, he could Theoretically analyze Vader’s midi chlorians.

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    • I mean... he'd still have to alter his own biology on a cellular level to do that. Plus, he'd need to do that before Vader breaks his neck with a force choke.

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    • You don’t need just need mido chlorians to use the force. He could gain an understanding of the force through that means and Yujiro has learned techniques that take 100 years to learn in the span of a glance. It would be very unlikely that Yujiro would be able to use it at all. But to the point of using the force to resist his force choke? Maybe. Vader doesn’t have the ability to predict a fight with 100% accuracy down to the very slightest point of movement. I really can’t decide who would win. If yujiro can learn just a small speck of the force he would win if not Vader would win.

      Edit: Now that I thought about it a little more. Yujiro has gained a compete understanding of the exact function of the human biology just through that information analysis vision. “It’s entirely possible” that yujiro would, from his understanding of chi and energy manipulation, be able to understand the interaction mido chlorians have with the force.

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    • That still doesn't counter his TK even if he can though

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    • Well, I think it can. Let’s take a look at who Vader’s force choke was able to work on. Krennic, padmey, and admiral moti all non force users. We don’t see him use it on Luke or obi wan, since he was defiantly trying to kill obi wan we can deduce that force choke and rag doll doesn’t work on people who are equal or somewhat close(Luke)to your force power. The only time we see force choke work on a force user was Kal in fallen order and it was by no means a one shot, it was a slow and gradual process that gave kal enough time to retaliate properly. Because of it Vader stops using the force choke through out the fight.

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    • Luke and Obi Wan also have equal lifting strength and AP

      Yujiro does not.

      Force doesn't inheritantly give you resistance to TK, Jedi force pushing eachother and Sidious force choking his own Sith prove this. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LDeg7K9NrCw

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    • Does Vader abuse range tough? I know he used it a lot more in the EU, but in Canon I'm pretty sure he went in melee with any notable enemy, and he obviously wouldn't view Yujiro as a regular person.

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    • Vader uses TK a lot when it comes to non force sensitive Beasts, such as the one that he had to fight when he crash landed on a planet after a battle (Said Neast killed many Jedi and Sith in the past)

      Jedi and Sith outside of weaker apprentices and Jedi no not really

      Then again while Yujiro doesn't look like a normal human he gives zero impression of Jedi or Sith

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    • Yeah but Yujiro isn't a beast. He didn't just wave his hand and kill everyone in rogoue one for exemple.

      Yujiro has an aura that intimidates people. Not something that would scare Vader, but it would be clear that he isn't an average Joe either.

      And breaking Yujiro's neck couldn't be done casually with the force lifting strength or not, and Vader definitly isn't the kind to just ragdoll people endlessly until they die. If he sees that chocking is taking too long he'd try to cut him down.

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    • Yeah, I believe the reason he goes into melee when he does is the same reason why he was a Jedi Knight and not a Consular: he's a much better lightsaber duelist than a force user. That being said, since he isn't clashing another force user, I think he's use the force and out range

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    • And I think he wouldn't do that.

      While he does use the force against animals, especially giant ones, I can't recall a single time he actually forcefully kept slamming someone away with TK and went for the ranged combat option.

      If he can instantly kill the enemy at range he does it sometimes (not even all the time) but after he notices Yujiro tanking the first few slams with the force he'd just try to stab him, what with the saber being more reliable to kill for good at once.

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote:
      And I think he wouldn't do that.

      While he does use the force against animals, especially giant ones, I can't recall a single time he actually forcefully kept slamming someone away with TK and went for the ranged combat option.

      If he can instantly kill the enemy at range he does it sometimes (not even all the time) but after he notices Yujiro tanking the first few slams with the force he'd just try to stab him, what with the saber being more reliable to kill for good at once.

      If Vader gets close, that could end up going horribly wrong for him, no? Yujiro may actually have a good chance at that point

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    • BTW Vader is becoming 7A anyway so this is kinda pointless

      You can remove the thread if you wish

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    • I've only read Grappler Baki, but if given a chance Yujiro could do some nasty things to Vader, yeah.

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    • Schnee One wrote:
      BTW Vader is becoming 7A anyway so this is kinda pointless

      You can remove the thread if you wish

      Bruh, epic Vader moment OVO

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    • @schee one his lifting strength is class G only via the force. And I think this should stay up until the 7-A happens.

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote: And I think he wouldn't do that.

      While he does use the force against animals, especially giant ones, I can't recall a single time he actually forcefully kept slamming someone away with TK and went for the ranged combat option.

      If he can instantly kill the enemy at range he does it sometimes (not even all the time) but after he notices Yujiro tanking the first few slams with the force he'd just try to stab him, what with the saber being more reliable to kill for good at once.

      Yujiro would dodge all of those lightsaber swings due to him being able to predict entire fights just from a glance. When he learns how to use the force and he combines it with his accelerated development. His force abilities should be at least the level of the average sith. Also do you think the 0.5 seconds unconscious would work on Vader?

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    • DTG499 wrote: @schee one his lifting strength is class G only via the force. And I think this should stay up until the 7-A happens.

      And Yujiro is class 100, what's your point?

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    • Yes physically. Vader is only superhuman level physically. If yujiro learns the force his TK would be way above class 100.

      Edit: Actually Vader is just peak human in physical lifting strength, his is superhuman from force amplification.

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    • Why? Force doesn't amp your lifting strength to that level automatically, standard Jedi are class K

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    • Yeah most things like that don’t happen automatically. Just like how 99.999999999% of people can’t learn Xiao-Lee, the technique that takes 100 years of training to learn how to use. Just like Xiao-Lee it takes Jedi an entire life time and more to learn how to use the force. Let’s not forget when Yujiro copies the force from Vader he’s going to be learning the dark side. He won’t become a Jedi he’ll become a sith.

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    • Xiao-Lee can pull Starships out of orbit?

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    • They are both energy manipulation, one comes from a cell in the person’s body. A cell that Yujiro can see and use to learn.

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    • NLF unless there's a feat of power copying anywhere near that, sorry but I don't by that.

      Energy manipulation isn't telekinesis either

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    • Defiantly not. The force is energy, Vader is manipulating that energy with the cells in his body. Yujiro was able to learn the entire function of the human body better than any surgeon on the planet just from LOOKING at it.

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    • Yes and then what? He learns it, still doesn't have the AP or lifting strength to resist it.

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    • The force isn't just some energy from cells...

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    • With his accelerated development and the fact that the dark side is the ultimate short cut to strong force powers. He will be able to reach the point of resisting and Yujiro WILL know all of Vader’s weak points and that if he rips his helmet off he will be at an extreme dis advantage. Vader will not win a physical contest with Yujiro no one here can dispute that.

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote: The force isn't just some energy from cells...

      I know it’s not ‘’just’’ that. Regardless, those cells interact with the force.

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    • Yes, but the interaction can't just be copied or learned over a few minutes.

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    • DTG499 wrote: With his accelerated development and the fact that the dark side is the ultimate short cut to strong force powers. He will be able to reach the point of resisting and Yujiro WILL know all of Vader’s weak points and that if he rips his helmet off he will be at an extreme dis advantage. Vader will not win a physical contest with Yujiro no one here can dispute that.

      The Dark Side isn't a shortcut to Force Powers, it's an expansion of what the force can do that Kedi refuse

      The Dark Side also involves emotional corruption and influencing, Yujiro can't merely copy that

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    • Schnee One wrote:
      Xiao-Lee can pull Starships out of orbit?

      Yes

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote: Yes, but the interaction can't just be copied or learned over a few minutes.

      When talking about a regular person yeah but this is Yujiro, he copied 100 years of training in a single glance.

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    • I'd like to point out that, yes 0.5 Seconds works on Vader, but it's a moot point unless Yujiro can oneshot, or else he just gets TK spamed (unless Vader goes for melee, in which case he's absolutely fucked)

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    • Which is a complete non-sequitur. Copying physical movements and copying the control over a cosmic force are two wholly different things.

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote:
      Which is a complete non-sequitur. Copying physical movements and copying the control over a cosmic force are two wholly different things.

      I'd like to note that with his mastery of body control, there's a possibility, but I don't think it would give him the edge, as Yujiro himself doesn't like beating real opponents with their own skills in character. He might try it if he gets desperate, but it would probably be too late

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    • @scheen one “[The dark side] is easier, quicker and more seductive” - Yoda

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    • Xiao Lee is an entirely normal, if stupidly difficult, technique in Baki that technically anyone could learn with enough time because it doesn't require any super weird biological peculiarities.

      The force isn't anything like that. And trying to argue the opposite is, my apologies, very dumb, doubly so if you don't even really understand what the force is.

      Are we gonna have Yujiro power copy jutsu from naruto as well? Will he grow a chakra circulation system out of nowhere? No he won't, so let's not argue this. 

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    • It is, because you don't have the restraints of Jedi morals in the way.

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote: Which is a complete non-sequitur. Copying physical movements and copying the control over a cosmic force are two wholly different things.

      It’s manipulation of energy through means of the psychical body, IE the cells IE mido chlorians. Xiao-Lee would be theoretically harder to copy because there is no physical organism that pronates to the function the energy manipulation for him to analyze.

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    • As mentioned, Yujiro doesn't counter with the opponent's own abilities, he considers it rude.

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    • ... It's manipulation of kinetic energy.

      Bullshit manipulation of kinetic energy since is something that would be impossible in the real world, but kinetic energy made by punching. The force is straight out controlling energy from afar with no physical contact.

      You must be joking if you think it is even similar.

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    • Yeah i don't think they're any similar

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    • It'd be like saying a dude that is good with computers can copy a mutant that can control computers with his mind... because both have to do with computers.

      It's ridiculous.

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    • BakiHanma18 wrote: I'd like to point out that, yes 0.5 Seconds works on Vader, but it's a moot point unless Yujiro can oneshot, or else he just gets TK spamed (unless Vader goes for melee, in which case he's absolutely fucked)

      During that period of Vader’s unconsciousness Yujiro would rip his helmet off.

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    • Except Vader vastly outranges and SBA dictates 4km for the starting distance

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    • LSirLancelotDuLacl wrote: Xiao Lee is an entirely normal, if stupidly difficult, technique in Baki that technically anyone could learn with enough time because it doesn't require any super weird biological peculiarities.

      The force isn't anything like that. And trying to argue the opposite is, my apologies, very dumb, doubly so if you don't even really understand what the force is.

      Are we gonna have Yujiro power copy jutsu from naruto as well? Will he grow a chakra circulation system out of nowhere? No he won't, so let's not argue this. 

      No,Xiao-Lee is anything but normal. The guy using it is 146 years old and can barely lift chop sticks. He was able to contain and then use the energy of punch that is equal to a nuclear bomb

      Mutant cells are very very different from mido chlorians, every mutant cell gives you a different ability. People cannot learn how to use a mutant power of they don’t have their DNA. People without mido chlorians can learn how to use the force as shown from the blind guy in rouge one. Mutant cells do not interact with an energy that surrounds and is within everyone and everything in the universe. Yujiro is clearly in the Star Wars universe when this fight is taking place, if it wasn’t Vader wouldn’t be able to use the force since you have to be in the universe that has it in order to manipulate it. Yujiro would see the mido chlorians, completely understand they are interacting with an energy that is pervading all around him and within him, in a glance he would have years of sith training at his disposal.

      No yujiro would not be able to learn jutsu from looking at Naruto, that has to do with spiritual lineage and has been shown to be unable to be used by people who do not have it. Taijutsu however, is an argument for a another day.

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    • DTG499 wrote:

      BakiHanma18 wrote: I'd like to point out that, yes 0.5 Seconds works on Vader, but it's a moot point unless Yujiro can oneshot, or else he just gets TK spamed (unless Vader goes for melee, in which case he's absolutely fucked)

      During that period of Vader’s unconsciousness Yujiro would rip his helmet off.

      He's too far away

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    • But it is normal, no matter what you may think about it, it is just stupidly and abnormally difficult. Kaku Kaioh isn't some new brand of humanity with special organs to control kinetic energy in specific ways, he's just an old man with a lot of skill that uses a highly difficult technique. It is dumb, but it is no less supernatural than Ikki from Rakudai or Ohma from Kengan Asura redirecting kinetic energy stronger than themselves across the muscles of their bodies right back at an opponent. 

      ... No, that's not something spiritual. How can you be so wrong about something you are trying to argue? Jutsus use chakra, and that chakra exists even in freaking animals. You just need to learn to control it. But you need a chakra circulation system, is not something you just do. Just as force powers isn't something you just do, not to mention Yujiro doesn't even have Midi-chlorians.

      So no, Yujiro gets no force powers just because you have the weirdest fucking head canon this side of the universe. You are never gonna convince people, I assure you.

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    • I'm convinced ovo

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    • Wouldn't verse equalization make Yujiro have average Midichlorians?

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    • I don't believe so. Verse equalization is for allowing interaction, not for giving the other fighter things they don't have.

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    • LSirLancelotDuLacl wrote:
      I don't believe so. Verse equalization is for allowing interaction, not for giving the other fighter things they don't have.

      What do you mean by interaction?

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    • Normal? Relative to what? Because in the Star Wars universe Xiao Lee would be very abnormal. The martial art of absorbing the energy of someone’s attack into a frail body and returning it back unto the attacker is completely unheard of in cannon Star Wars.

      Cmon man you have to have known what I meant with spiritual lineage. The only people who are able to use jutsu are the people who are born with the proper chakra that leads them to be able to learn jutsu. People like to say Naruto is an a underdog, he isn’t at all. He special boy that was born from a Jinchūriki and a Sage that was a fucking hokage. The whole point of taijutsu is so the average non special blood joe can learn to use chakra.

      People with out mido chlorians can use the force. Obi Wan saying that Han Solo could learn how to use it and the fact we saw the blind guy use it in rouge one proves it.

      There is no cellular interaction with jutsu. If there was Yujiro would be able to learn it. This is by no means NLF, yujiro cannot copy a robot’s techniques, magic, things that he just can not see, complete obvious ones like reality warping and abilities that absolutely and only require the DNA(super Saiyan and mutants from X-men). Him being able to copy the force is THE limit. The force is around everything and within everyone yujiro is able to see the mido chlorians interact with that energy. Cellular vision is also completely abnormal and unheard of in cannon Star Wars. Since people without the cells can train for a lifetime and have the ability to use the force, Yujiro can mimic techniques that take close to two life times to learn in a glance. Yujiro can see Vader’s cells he can copy it.

      I vote yujiro through the highest amount of struggle.

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    • Allowing powers from one verse to work on another verse, within reason, without getting into unnecessary debates of "but characters from bleach don't have chakra, or chakra circulation systems, and spiritual energy isn't like chakra at all, so stuff like Genjutsu would never work!", and etcetera.

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    • For those you have pre set parameters that negate those arguments. This one was limited on the pre sets.

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    • Normal in a general sense. It is inhuman level of muscle control to control kinetic energy, but muscles aren't doing anything they don't already do (causing and diverting kinetic energy), nor does it need some special organ, or mystical energy, or whatever, just a lot of training or being a genius at martial arts.

      I actually don't. Chakra existed in nature before the Otsusuki were ever a thing, and chakra can be used in the first place because chakra circulation system is a thing, which everyone has. Everyone has chakra too, not everyone trains to use it, just as not everyone is training to learn how to fight in the real world. And... Taijutsu is not a way to learn to use chakra... the actual hell are you talking about? Taijutsu is literally just any empty handed martial art style, whether it uses chakra (Gentle Fist) or not (Strong Fist). You really don't even know what you are talking about.

      ... You are actually claiming lies and believing it now. Leaving aside the fact Midi-chlorians are a rarely mentioned thing since nobody likes it, no, you can't use the force without midi-chlorians. You are either a force sensitive or you are not, which the blind dude is. He has never copied a technique that is outright supernatural, he doesn't have midi-chlorians, and you should really stop imposing some nonexistent rules that nobody agrees with. 

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    • DTG499 wrote:
      For those you have pre set perimeters that negate those arguments. This one was limited on the pre sets.

      I have no actual clue what this means, and I am starting to lose my ability to care.

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    • You don’t have to get so worked up man, remember this is all just in good fun.

      Ok so my bad I got one minor thing wrong about taijutsu but it doesn’t dismantle my point at all.

      Every single source states that Chirrut Îmwe is not force sensitive. The force really isn’t really a supernatural power and he has copied Baki’s technique of making a spectral triceratops appear behind him.

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    • The hell it isn't a supernatural power.

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    • I mean, it is. It's illusion creation through sense manip that is so extreme it's supernatural. 

      And if the force flows through all beings, wouldn't verse equalization make it so that it flew through Yujiro as well? And if all that one needs to fully control it is training and skill, can't Yujiro just.... copy that experience?

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote: The hell it isn't a supernatural power.

      Compared to the shit that goes on in baki, yeah.

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    • I should probably point out that this match has been added for awhile now.

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    • KGiffoni wrote: I mean, it is. It's illusion creation through sense manip that is so extreme it's supernatural. 

      And if the force flows through all beings, wouldn't verse equalization make it so that it flew through Yujiro as well? And if all that one needs to fully control it is training and skill, can't Yujiro just.... copy that experience?

      Pretty much yeah

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    • The Wright Way wrote: I should probably point out that this match has been added for awhile now.

      Yeah. This should be closed already, and if someone has a problem with it, it should be taken to the Match Removal Thread

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    • Vader might be getting a 7-A bump, so that's looking like it'll be the case

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    • its whatever, im just saying it would be a lot closer call than people think. It doesn't matter either way because he's going 7-A soon but you know what that means right? Half monster Gauro vs Vader baby! 

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    • KGiffoni wrote:
      I mean, it is. It's illusion creation through sense manip that is so extreme it's supernatural. 

      And if the force flows through all beings, wouldn't verse equalization make it so that it flew through Yujiro as well? And if all that one needs to fully control it is training and skill, can't Yujiro just.... copy that experience?

      No. He's not a force sensitive. That's pretty clear cut and dry, that's it.

      I am worried you'd even entertain this idea.

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    • > Yujiro copying the Force


      Wow and I thought Yujiro wank was bad enough, next we'll have people saying Yujiro can copy The Almighty.

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    • And it’s established people who aren’t force sensitive can use the force as proven with the blind guy.

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    • The Prince of Counters wrote: > Yujiro copying the Force


      Wow and I thought Yujiro wank was bad enough, next we'll have people saying Yujiro can copy The Almighty.

      No the force is the limit of his power mimicry.

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    • DTG499 wrote: And it’s established people who aren’t force sensitive can use the force as proven with the blind guy.

      ...When did he ever use the force?

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    • DTG499 wrote:
      And it’s established people who aren’t force sensitive can use the force as proven with the blind guy.

      The Databank and Guardians of the Whills directly say, both, that Chirrut has no force abilities at all. 

      The reference book Star Wars: Absolutely everything you need to know, updated and expanded even clarifies he only has "powers" because of the martial art Zama-shiwo native to his moon Jedha, even though they weren't really powers and only stuff like controlling his heart rate and oxygen intake.

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    • He’s blind and was able to take on a group of storm troopers. He was using the force.

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    • ... Being able to take on a group of storm troopers doesn't make you a force user. 

      I have two official sources, and blind people battling is not even uncommon in fiction. So yeah, not gonna take your word.

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    • <Storm Troopers

      Those fodder that forceless people kill in droves on a regular?

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    • You think a blind guy can take on a group of trained militia with out the force? OK bud whatever you say. lol

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    • A child in the resistance killed Multiple stormtroopers with a knife at one point by stalking them, humans killing other himans in Star Wars is extremely common.

      Also, Stormtroopers are not "Trained militia", nor are they specialized in Martial arts like Chrrut is. Seriously are you this backed down by our arguments that this is the shit you rely on?

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    • DTG499 wrote: You think a blind guy can take on a group of trained militia with out the force? OK bud whatever you say. lol

      Yes.

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    • Also, argument from incredulity fallacy.

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    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Qei_NHeWE

      Its an incredibly common trope

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    • You think the series where people piroutte all around in the air with light sabers and telekinetically choke people from light years away can't have a blind dude that can fight? Killing the dudes that get killed by the droves?

      You do know this is, uh, fiction right? The same fiction where people like Muteba from the Kengan series can "see" in perfect detail from dozens of meters away and tell what people are wearing due to his super hearing? And a blind dude trained in martial arts killing fodder surprises you?

      Just don't, that's embarrassing. 

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    • How can you say someone can kill stormtroopers without the force is not true yet come from a series where mere martial arts skill can allow you to see better then surgeons

      This is unbeliable

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    • Kid with a knife>>>>blind guy with a stick.

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    • And your objective proof of this is nothing? As expected.

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    • …..Are you fucking serious?!

      First off that's not a stick, that's a staff, that beats a knife any day of the week provided its made right.

      Second, comparing what is at most a mid sized child to a dude with years spent training with martial arts is utter stupidity

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    • This website has storm troopers listed as 10-A and skilled in hand to hand combat.

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    • They are indeed skilled to an extent

      They are not "Trained my entire life in a martial art and style of predicting moves and sound while blind" good

      Yeah, it's clear that there is noting to discuss here, closing

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