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  • Was planning to do this for his 7-A key but it doesn't really change the fight.

    Rules:

    IW Strange and Pre Timeskip Sothis Fused Byleth are used

    Speed is equalized



    Doctor Strange MCU 12
    Male Byleth

    The weakest Magician on the VSBW:

    The best professor:

    Don't know what to put here: 1

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    • Byleth is around 325 Kilotons, while Doctor Strange magic is around 231.87 Kilotons and a glass cannon. Doctor Strange has some really good time resistance and overall some haxes would be good enough to deal with Byleth, but the professor has Statistics Amplification and with one strike, he would in most scenarios be able to the the wizard. Voting for Byleth.

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    • Byleth for reasons above.

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    • PuasLuisZX wrote:
      Byleth is around 325 Kilotons, while Doctor Strange magic is around 231.87 Kilotons and a glass cannon.

      Doctor Strange has some really good time resistance and overall some haxes would be good enough to deal with Byleth, but the professor has Statistics Amplification and with one strike, he would in most scenarios be able to the the wizard. Voting for Byleth.

      You know 7-B strange and low 7-B byleth are used.

      Also, what prevents strange from BFRing before he hits him

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    • I'm Blue daba dee daba die wrote:

      PuasLuisZX wrote:
      Byleth is around 325 Kilotons, while Doctor Strange magic is around 231.87 Kilotons and a glass cannon.

      Doctor Strange has some really good time resistance and overall some haxes would be good enough to deal with Byleth, but the professor has Statistics Amplification and with one strike, he would in most scenarios be able to the the wizard. Voting for Byleth.

      You know 7-B strange and low 7-B byleth are used.

      Also, what prevents strange from BFRing before he hits him

      Keep in mind that Byleth Fused with Sothis managed to escaped a BFR created by Solon via spartial manipulation and he would return to the battle. Not that it matters since his precognition isn't fast enough, he is still a Glass Cannon and Byleth would still strike faster than him due Stats Amplification and one shot him. So my vote is still for Byleth for the similar reasons, and I can even argue that the High 7-C is closer due Strange could actually BFR him.

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    • I see zero reason why Byleth is one shotting?

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    • Schnee One wrote: I see zero reason why Byleth is one shotting?

      Doctor Strange has 9-B durability without his use of spells that don't really boost his durability, rather is their defense magic like magic barriers. So yeah, Byleth should be able to one shot him casually.

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    • He can just open up a shield you know.

      Also, strange has multiversal BFR, when did byleth resist that??? 

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    • PuasLuisZX wrote:

      Schnee One wrote: I see zero reason why Byleth is one shotting?

      Doctor Strange has 9-B durability without his use of spells that don't really boost his durability, rather is their defense magic like magic barriers. So yeah, Byleth should be able to one shot him casually.

      Going to be extremely hard to do so when he doesn't resist Strange manipulating time to a crawl or reversing mistakes and is more then skilled enough in CQC to use them

      So no, Byleth isn't one shotting

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    • Except for the fact that Byleth is faster than Strange and even if he's killed he comes back due the many uses of Time Pulse letting both of then in neutral territory.

      Due their massive difference in strength and durability of both AP and Durability, both of them can one shot themselves via different skills and powers, so the speed increases is going to help him to be the one who hits first and via extension one shotting Strange.

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    • Pretty sure strange can just timeloop and if byleth yeets him, strange loops him

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    • And no, using abilities means that Strange could be able to avoid getting hit, but if he gets hit, the battle just ended. That's a one-shot so yes, Byleth should be able to one shot him.

      And if Time Pulse activates, Strange could be able to move, but he's not going to be able to affect Byleth.

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    • Pretty sure Strange resists better time hax

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    • Except that this is with the Eyes of Agamotto and needs to be able to be set up which is not enough to loop and that the applications of hax resistance is not if Doctor Strange resists it, but being able to damage Byleth which he can't.

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    • The thing that could be argue is if Strange can outrange Byleth. But I still firm about Byleth striking first

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    • How good is Solons BFR??

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    • Solon BFR is good enough to trap Byleth in another dimension separately from the universe and Byleth needed the help of Sothis who fused with him to make sure that he could escaped from himself. While Sothis doesn't have a page her hax is able to affect the world has a whole, think more about range rather than AP due Sothis is not in her prime.

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    • <Byleth is faster

      Speed is Equalized

      <Comes back

      Not sure, Strange resists the time being reversed

      Strange has near equal Durability with his shields, he's not one shotting.

      Byleth wins and all but definitely not for the reasons you're stating.

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    • You know Strange has 2-A BFR???

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    • Schnee One wrote: <Byleth is faster

      Speed is Equalized

      <Comes back

      Not sure, Strange resists the time being reversed

      Strange has near equal Durability with his shields, he's not one shotting.

      Byleth wins and all but definitely not for the reasons you're stating.

      Statistics Amplification makes Byleth faster due his gap being increased something that I mentioned a lot in messages before.

      He still comes back due Strange not being able to damage him, not that he resists the time being reversed, but him not being able to damage Byleth in that phase.

      Shields are some of the magic that protects him and thus avoiding it, but keep in mind that this doesn't increase his physical durability which was the point about Byleth being able to one shot him.

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    • Strange can timehax on his own

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    • Byleth FRA

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    • I'm Blue daba dee daba die wrote: You know Strange has 2-A BFR???

      Which is the Mirror Dimension and then again being trapped on another universe doesn't necessarily mean that is impossible to escape due how Byleth escaped from his own fate worse than death. And even then, the Mirror Dimension is more so as a parallel world to the MCU universe that is in the MCU multiverse.

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    • PuasLuisZX wrote:

      I'm Blue daba dee daba die wrote: You know Strange has 2-A BFR???

      Which is the Mirror Dimension and then again being trapped on another universe doesn't necessarily mean that is impossible to escape due how Byleth escaped from his own fate worse than death. And even then, the Mirror Dimension is more so as a parallel world to the MCU universe that is in the MCU multiverse.

      No, I'm talking about the orange portals, which have 2-A range

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    • I'm Blue daba dee daba die wrote:

      PuasLuisZX wrote:

      I'm Blue daba dee daba die wrote: You know Strange has 2-A BFR???

      Which is the Mirror Dimension and then again being trapped on another universe doesn't necessarily mean that is impossible to escape due how Byleth escaped from his own fate worse than death. And even then, the Mirror Dimension is more so as a parallel world to the MCU universe that is in the MCU multiverse.

      No, I'm talking about the orange portals, which have 2-A range

      Which, wouldn't make a difference since Byleth spartial manipulation is capable to make him reappear on the same time period and place where he was sent to Solon BFR.

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    • Pretty sure that if he doesn't have 2-A range he's never coming back from BFR

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    • Also the portals itself can allow you to travel around different worlds means that he's just trapped in another world. But again, doesn't mean much due Byleth hax can allow him to return into battle.

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    • You need 2-A range for Byleth's spatial manip to help him get back to battle

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    • Except that the portals Doctor Strange creates doesn't really transports you into an infinite amount of worlds at the same time and again, knowing were you want to go is going to be better at escaping something that Byleth can do.

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    • The space he BFR's you to is greater than the range of byleth's attacks

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    • No it isn't, we don't even know where he BFRs too

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    • He has 2-A BFR, but I guess that is a NLF 

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    • Byleth is around 650 Kilotons, not 325 Kilotons

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    • My bad on that, but the fight is 7-B with 9-B durability vs Low 7-B.

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    • Well, Byleth lost his Low 7-B Key, but he is still 7-B...

      So, this actually works better for Strange because he can seal and BFR his opponent and has flight and range advantage and is not affected by Divine Pulse, so he could take distance into distance and repeat.

      Byleth still only needs to hit once and is faster, but most of the time it depends on the first encounter which could be in equal terms most of the time. So I change my vote for inconclusive.

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    • PuasLuisZX wrote:
      Well, Byleth lost his Low 7-B Key, but he is still 7-B...

      So, this actually works better for Strange because he can seal and BFR his opponent and has flight and range advantage and is not affected by Divine Pulse, so he could take distance into distance and repeat.

      Byleth still only needs to hit once and is faster, but most of the time it depends on the first encounter which could be in equal terms most of the time. So I change my vote for inconclusive.

      Wait, so with Byleth being 7-B, he doesn't have divine pulse or resists BFR??

      Looks like all the previous votes are invalid as well since they FRA'd off of you

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    • I mean Byleth theoretically could still come back, as Sothis is always a part of Byleth

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    • I'm Blue daba dee daba die wrote:

      Wait, so with Byleth being 7-B, he doesn't have divine pulse or resists BFR??

      Looks like all the previous votes are invalid as well since they FRA'd off of you

      Divine Pulse remains in his Pre-Enlightened form, but Byleth needed to fuse with Sothis to escaped a BFR created by Solon via spartial manipulation. Byleth, could theoretically use a Divine Pulse to put himself back into the fight, but Strange would have the knowledge of that ability.


      Byleth has the AP advantage via a lot meaning that Byleth doesn't get one-shot, while Strange is still a glass cannon. So, if the doctor could BFR the professor 13 times in a row, he wins. Otherwise, he loses.

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    • How good is his range with divine pulse??

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    • I'm Blue daba dee daba die wrote:
      How good is his range with divine pulse??

      Same explanation as messages before about his spartial manipulation, he would return into battle regardless of range.

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    • Can’t Byleth theoritically just fuse with Sothis to escape once they are out of divine pulse? And I don’t think Strange would keep BFRing Byleth, as they don’t have prior knowledge of Byleth having limited uses of divine pulse, so I can’t see them using mirror dimension more than a few times.

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    • I mean, can't strange theoretically precog like he did in IW and see the ways to win once Byleth gets BFR'd once

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    • Rtxthegamer wrote:
      Can’t Byleth theoritically just fuse with Sothis to escape once they are out of divine pulse? And I don’t think Strange would keep BFRing Byleth, as they don’t have prior knowledge of Byleth having limited uses of divine pulse, so I can’t see them using mirror dimension more than a few times.

      About he fusing with Sothis, that would change his category meaning that Doctor Strange has no way of winning with a even higher AP advantage and he would not spent his limited uses of Divine Pulse because spartial manipulation would work perfectly fine instead.

      Also there's the Eye of Agamotto that let him see a huge amount of alternative outcomes, but... this is something he most do as soon as possible after Byleth returns from the first BFR, and Byleth would get into close range if he get BFR in close range meaning that he would eventually hit him. So voting Byleth.

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    • I don't think strange would look into the outcomes like that. He would probably just assume that a single BFR and he wins, no need to look into outcomes. Since there is no prep time, he can't do it beforehand either. as ive said before, I don't think strange will try something that didn't work the first few times over and over again. (his bargain doesn't count, its a differen situation.) My vote is still byleth fra, and the fact that Byleth can fuse with Sothis as a last resort.

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