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  • In the weakest characters for every tier, someone said Lord Boros and Garou should be some of the weakest of their tier since they lost to Saitama, who probably one of the weaker characters in the tier due to a lack of hax. Lord Boros defeated this guy, so if he beats Saitama his entire point will be moot. Because I seriously doubt this Elder Scrolls character is one of the weakest members of High 6-A.

    Rules: Speed Equalized. Otherwise SBA.

    Saitama one punch
    Corpse Curse

    AP is hella underrated:

    I honestly don't have anything funny to put:

    Inconclusive:

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    • Saitama one shots and calls it a day

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    • What does Harkon start with and how does it work?

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    • He starts with physical attacks

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    • Ah, so he dies instantly then. Good to know.

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    • On the grand scale harkon is rather pathetic for his tier, not due to any real fault of his own though its, mostly because lore wise we have no information about him beyond him tearing a guy in half and phasing through ice. He can bfr but he's only shown to throw someone out of his castle and he never uses it in a combat scenario. Outside that he has his life drain, his paraylisis inducement (Which doesn't last very long iirc) some more magic that comes down to ice/life drain and his claws.


      I still hold some doubts about his current rating because he's such a massive unknown within the greater lore of the elder scrolls and really lacks in the way of concrete feats.

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    • most people agreed in the Boros vs Harkon thread that Boros would one shot with the SSRC. Only reason it wasnt a stomp is that Boros only uses that as a last resort and it doesnt scale to any of his other stats. 

      Saitama hits Harkon with the serious punch and he gets blown to bits.

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    • The pen or the sword wrote:
      On the grand scale harkon is rather pathetic for his tier, not due to any real fault of his own though its, mostly because lore wise we have no information about him beyond him tearing a guy in half and phasing through ice. He can bfr but he's only shown to throw someone out of his castle and he never uses it in a combat scenario. Outside that he has his life drain, his paraylisis inducement (Which doesn't last very long iirc) some more magic that comes down to ice/life drain and his claws.


      I still hold some doubts about his current rating because he's such a massive unknown within the greater lore of the elder scrolls and really lacks in the way of concrete feats.

      The whole "time limit" is gameplay mechanics btw.

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    • Harkon could use mind manipulation.

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    • But he doesn't in character. Meaning, he gets splattered.

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    • See Id usually agree about it being game mechanics but he has no lore for how potent his paralysis is thus we can only go off how long its been shown to last. Best we could do is compare it to other users of such magic to get the potency but i dont know enough about the lore of paralyzing magic to say how long it last outside game mechanics.

      He could mind manip, but it's out of character and we don't have much in the way of potency feats for it. (Afaik)

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    • Saitama blasts him to bits. Seriously though, he may not be a powerhouse for his tier (comparatively speaking) but he sure as hell isn't the weakest.

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    • Harkons probably not the weakest but he's rather lacking in feats beyond getting his teeth kicked in by the dragonborn, he barely exist in the lore at all which makes him a weird case to look at.

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    • Saitama FRA

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    • The pen or the sword wrote: He's not the weakest but he's rather lacking in feats beyond getting his teeth kicked in by the dragonborn, he barely exist in the lore at all which makes him a weird case to look at.

      Planck was talking about Saitama.

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    • I need to fix my sleep schedule

      Sorry about that! Saitama fra if this isn't a stomp.

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    • Saitama starts with a casual punch, which Harkon survives if it's casual enough (just like with Boros and Garou, and really 99% of the opponents he has faced). He then sees Saitama is strong and goes for any of his abilities that ignore durability before Saitama actually gets serious, which he takes some time to be.

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    • Uh, Harkon is physically even weaker than Boros and Garou are. He's getting one-shot even if the hit is casual.

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    • KGiffoni wrote:
      Saitama starts with a casual punch, which Harkon survives if it's casual enough (just like with Boros and Garou, and really 99% of the opponents he has faced). He then sees Saitama is strong and goes for any of his abilities that ignore durability before Saitama actually gets serious, which he takes some time to be.

      If you're implying that the hit is on the level of what he uses on regular monsters then Harkon wouldn't really see Saitama is strong from that. Saitama however does and soon after Serious Punches him to oblivion.

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    • Not really. Saitama's casual hits on Garou and Boros were enough to knock them for a bit, they're ~24 petatons iirc. Lord Harkon is about half of that so the difference isn't great enough to be one-shot worthy

      However when Saitama actually gets serious yeah he's one-shotting, but i see Harkon winning before that since that takes a good amount of time

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    • Planck69 wrote:
      KGiffoni wrote:
      Saitama starts with a casual punch, which Harkon survives if it's casual enough (just like with Boros and Garou, and really 99% of the opponents he has faced). He then sees Saitama is strong and goes for any of his abilities that ignore durability before Saitama actually gets serious, which he takes some time to be.
      If you're implying that the hit is on the level of what he uses on regular monsters then Harkon wouldn't really see Saitama is strong from that. Saitama however does and soon after Serious Punches him to oblivion.

      Well, not necessarily. I'm putting in comparison the casual punches he used against High 6-A beings before, that is, Boros and Garou. Garou could easily recover from the first casual punch, not sure about Boros since we're not sure how much of the impact was tanked by the armor and how much was tanked by Boros himself, but either way it also didn't affect him too much.

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    • KGiffoni wrote:
      Not really. Saitama's casual hits on Garou and Boros were enough to knock them for a bit, they're ~24 petatons iirc. Lord Harkon is about half of that so the difference isn't great enough to be one-shot worthy

      However when Saitama actually gets serious yeah he's one-shotting, but i see Harkon winning before that since that takes a good amount of time

      When Boros was hit in his High 6-A key he was seriously injured. Garou had one of his monster forms utterly destroyed. At best, Harkon gets mortally wounded. Nevermind the fact that a Consecutive Normal Punch barrage could liquify a far stronger High 6-A than Harkon.

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    • That wasn't a casual punch. That also wasn't a casual punch. And that definetly isn't a casual punch.



      Saitama starts with a casual punch and only gets the big guns after an opponent like Harkon has had lots of chances to kill him with any of his dura negation haxxes.

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    • KGiffoni wrote:
      That wasn't a casual punch. That also wasn't a casual punch. And that definetly isn't a casual punch.


      Saitama starts with a casual punch and only gets the big guns after an opponent like Harkon has had lots of chances to kill him with any of his dura negation haxxes.

      A casual attack won't warn Harkon (who opts for physical attacks) that Saitama can one-shot him since those are High 6-C at most (which Harkon shrugs off effortlessly) so he won't immediately rush to use his hax. From Saitama's perspective, Harkon is an oponent he can get serious around which would make start dishing out stronger attacks like those used on Garou and Boros, something that definitely fucks him up.

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    • The very reason why Lord Harkon got High 6-A because he can use magic to banish The Dovahkiin who theoretically shakes the planet with his/her voice. Harkon could use the very same magic to banish Saitama to Oblivion or just a soul gem offering to Molag Bal. There is no evidence that Saitama can resist Soul Manipulation or BFR. Harkon is strong because of his magical might.

      Just an idea to throw out there.

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    • KongKing23 wrote:
      The very reason why Lord Harkon got High 6-A because he can use magic to banish The Dovahkiin who theoretically shakes the planet with his/her voice. Harkon could use the very same magic to banish Saitama to Oblivion or just a soul gem offering to Molag Bal. There is no evidence that Saitama can resist Soul Manipulation or BFR. Harkon is strong because of his magical might.

      Just an idea to throw out there.

      Isn't shaking an earth-like planet just Low 6-B? Well regardless of that, the reason he loses is that he opts to go for physical attacks first. Saitama is fairly likely to blast him to pieces before he can get around to using his more effective hax.

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    • Life absorption isn't an insta-kill, it just absorbs health over time. Ignoring that being stronger should mean having more life energy, it is still not instant at all, and the moment Saitama feels even a little pain he punches him to oblivion.

      Harmon doesn't do hax beyond his health absorption at all, preferring to summon gargoyles and sometimes putting up barriers.

      Anyways, Saiata's casual hits vary far too much in power, but even 7-As can survive them sometimes. It'd not going to make Harkon panic.

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    • Planck69 wrote:
      KongKing23 wrote:
      The very reason why Lord Harkon got High 6-A because he can use magic to banish The Dovahkiin who theoretically shakes the planet with his/her voice. Harkon could use the very same magic to banish Saitama to Oblivion or just a soul gem offering to Molag Bal. There is no evidence that Saitama can resist Soul Manipulation or BFR. Harkon is strong because of his magical might.

      Just an idea to throw out there.

      Isn't shaking an earth-like planet just Low 6-B? Well regardless of that, the reason he loses is that he opts to go for physical attacks first. Saitama is fairly likely to blast him to pieces before he can get around to using his more effective hax.

      Speed is equalized. So there is no speedblitz here.

      Saitama's fist response << Harkon's Magic. Harkon can cast a spell to banish The LDB out of his castle within an instant, and of course Saitama never has resistance against magic. Especially dimensional banishment or Soul Manipulation.

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    • He is not casting a banish out of nowhere. He did it once, for a person that helped him, to let them get out of his castle alive after they decided to not side with him.

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote:
      He is not casting a banish out of nowhere. He did it once, for a person that helped him, to let them get out of his castle alive after they decided to not side with him.

      Yeah. He still has a variant of such spell. He should always have some spells like that example I just gave you. Of course, I don't want to talk about gameplay in this case.

      Theoretically, Harkon can banish Saitama to Oblivion with such spell or a Black Soul Gem.

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    • He can in theory but this is in character harkon, seeing as he has very little lore we have to base his in character behavior off his game-play.

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    • Theoretically, sure. He didn't do it while being killed despite having a forcefield that let's him get a break whenever.

      So I'd say Saitama one-shots first.

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    • KongKing23 wrote:.Speed is equalized. So there is no speedblitz here.

      Saitama's fist response << Harkon's Magic. Harkon can cast a spell to banish The LDB out of his castle within an instant, and of course Saitama never has resistance against magic. Especially dimensional banishment or Soul Manipulation.

      I never said anyone blitzes here. I said that Saitama is more likely to blast him to bits in this fight before he uses those hax since, you know, he doesn't open with them. Harkon gets hit by a casual attack from Saitama and doesn't get the memo that he can get one-shot due to the strike being 6-C at best. Saitama then realizes he has to get a bit serious and starts unleashing more of his power.

      Garou had Type 2 immortality and Low-Mid regen. Boros had High-Mid. Both are more powerful than Harkon. Yet both of them were being pushed to the brink before Saitama even unleashes his Serious Punch. Harkon definitely isn't surving that here.

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote:
      Theoretically, sure. He didn't do it while being killed despite having a forcefield that let's him get a break whenever.

      So I'd say Saitama one-shots first.

      At least, the possibility of killing Saitama is out there. He isn't that all-powerful of a gag character that most people memed him out to be.

      Imprisonment in Oblivion is worse than death.

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    • KongKing23 wrote:

      At least, the possibility of killing Saitama is out there. He isn't that all-powerful of a gag character that most people memed him out to be.

      Imprisonment in Oblivion is worse than death.

      Dude, very few people on this wiki think that Saitama can't be beaten. One look at his wins and losses will tell you that.

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    • Planck69 wrote: Dude, very few people on this wiki think that Saitama can't be beaten. One look at his wins and losses will tell you that.

      Well, a notable number of those matches are in his 9-B key. But mostly everyone understands the existence of Haxes.

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    • Saitama isn't gonna fuck around when he starts actually feeling pain from life drain which his melee strikes do so...

      Saitama sends him to Oblivion FRA.

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    • Saitama FRA. That's seven votes for Saitama now, so grace period has started!!!! >W<

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    • what is the wincon for harkon?

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    • BFR

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    • TOAAPRESENCE1 wrote:
      what is the wincon for harkon?

      Using his hax on Saitama before he gets yeeted.

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    • what hax?

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    • Read the thread dude.

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    • TOAAPRESENCE1 wrote:
      what hax?

      BFR and mind-hax.

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    • Planck69 wrote:
      TOAAPRESENCE1 wrote:
      what hax?
      BFR and mind-hax.

      so no wincon since he never uses them and the only time he used BFR is on the dova and only because you helped him.

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    • Regardless of whether he is likely to use them, they’re still win-cons as long as it’s at least a semi-reasonable possibility.

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    • TOAAPRESENCE1 wrote:

      so no wincon since he never uses them and the only time he used BFR is on the dova and only because you helped him.

      That's more on him for not using his hax quick enough. The thread already established that he has a window for using them against Saitama. They may not be in-character starting moves but he can still feasibly use them before Saitama destroys him. There's also life drain and paralysis inducement but as with the former two, he doesn't bust them out quick enough.

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    • I don't think this thread is a stomp per say

      It's hilariously redundant though since Harmon lost to Boros

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    • I mean, Boros won because his regen could ofset life steal. Saitama would because he one-shots.

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    • OP was expecting a quick win for Harkon when he made this. Boy was he wrong....

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    • Saitama stomps. Seriously he faces an even weaker version of Boros. Saitama one shots with his serious punch while holding back.

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    • XxxVikaheimoxxx wrote:
      Saitama stomps. Seriously he faces an even weaker version of Boros. Saitama one shots with his serious punch while holding back.

      Doesn't open with that, giving Harkon a window to use his hax. So not a stomp.

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    • It does seem kinda stompy ngl 

      harkon attacks trying to rip saitama apart saitama strikes back the end.

      We dont really have that much lore on harkon so going by the game he gets stomp.

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    • TOAAPRESENCE1 wrote:
      It does seem kinda stompy ngl 

      harkon attacks trying to rip saitama apart saitama strikes back the end.

      We dont really have that much lore on harkon so going by the game he gets stomp.

      What we have on his profile is enough for him to win against Saitama if he uses them from the very beginning. But he doesn't, which is why he loses here.

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    • Take note that  Saitama stated that he could destroy the planet in the webcomic. Wait should Saitama get a 5-B upgrade via that?

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    • XxxVikaheimoxxx wrote:
      Take note that  Saitama stated that he could destroy the planet in the webcomic. Wait should Saitama get a 5-B upgrade via that?
      Hwgagta
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    • XxxVikaheimoxxx wrote: Take note that  Saitama stated that he could destroy the planet in the webcomic. Wait should Saitama get a 5-B upgrade via that?

      That's been debunked so many times it's not even funny. The guy who wrote the comic himself said not to take his woed as Word of God, as such, we don't use it.

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    • Webcomic and Manga Saitama should have separate profiles

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    • The Wright Way wrote:

      XxxVikaheimoxxx wrote: Take note that  Saitama stated that he could destroy the planet in the webcomic. Wait should Saitama get a 5-B upgrade via that?

      That's been debunked so many times it's not even funny. The guy who wrote the comic himself said not to take his woed as Word of God, as such, we don't use it.

      Murata said that, writer of the manga. The writer of the webcomic, ONE, is who originally wrote that Saitama statement. However we have deemed it as unreliable. 

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    • The Wright Way wrote:

      That's been debunked so many times it's not even funny. The guy who wrote the comic himself said not to take his woed as Word of God, as such, we don't use it.

      Actually that was Murata who said that not ONE. It's still a bit too much of an assumption to make about his tier I think.

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    • I don't mind, but where is the proof of this debunk?

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    • ElixirBlue wrote:
      Webcomic and Manga Saitama should have separate profiles

      Lol and Anime via this

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    • XxxVikaheimoxxx wrote:
      I don't mind, but where is the proof of this debunk?

      Go aroud three or four pages back on the OPM discussions. You'll see at least one thread where this was brought up.

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    • Planck69 wrote:
      XxxVikaheimoxxx wrote:
      I don't mind, but where is the proof of this debunk?
      Go aroud three or four pages back on the OPM discussions. You'll see at least one thread where this was brought up.

      Thanks.

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    • XxxVikaheimoxxx wrote:

      ElixirBlue wrote:
      Webcomic and Manga Saitama should have separate profiles

      Lol and Anime via this

      Nah, Anime and Manga versions are too similar to make separate profiles. The Webcomic, however, is different beast with far weaker versions of the characters.

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    • ElixirBlue wrote:

      XxxVikaheimoxxx wrote:

      ElixirBlue wrote:
      Webcomic and Manga Saitama should have separate profiles
      Lol and Anime via this

      Nah, Anime and Manga versions are too similar to make separate profiles. The Webcomic, however, is different beast with far weaker versions of the characters.

      True, the Dragon-level Threats in OPM are about Town Level while in Anime and Manga City - Mountain Level.

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    • I meant in OPM Webcomic

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    • I dont really think Boros and Garou are one of the weakest High 6-A.

      For me they are standard High 6-A while Saitama is stronger than an average High 6-A.

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    • XxxVikaheimoxxx wrote:
      I dont really think Boros and Garou are one of the weakest High 6-A.

      For me they are standard High 6-A while Saitama is stronger than an average High 6-A.

      What? I'm don't really think that they're the weakest High 6-As either but OPM god-tiers are definitely on the lower end of the spectrum considering the characters in this tier.

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    • I think it'd probably be more accurate to say that Boros and Garou are quite a bit below average and Saitama is just a little bit below average.

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    • No... Saitama has AP only going for him.

      Boros and Garou are way more survivable than them, and are better High 6-As abilit wise.

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote:
      No... Saitama has AP only going for him.

      Boros and Garou are way more survivable than them, and are better High 6-As abilit wise.

      Yeah, they actually do a lot better in this tier than Saitama.

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    • Well, yeah, technically so. They would be better in their tier overall than Saitama due to abilities, just basing off the fact that Saitama can beat them is the angle I was coming from.

      Same reason I'd consider Dante to be a better 3-A/Low 2-C than Void Mundus. Void Mundus can probably beat more people in their tier, but Dante is 100% stronger.

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    • Okay I think people are underrating the fuck out of Harkon right now.

      So as someone who has played through Dawnguard not too long ago, a common first move for Vampires is the life drain spell, which quite literally drains people's life force.

      Harkon has this on a much higher level as he is one of the oldish and strongest Vampires in Skyrim, and furthermore he has access to an even more powerful version in his Vampire Lord form.

      I believe his Sword actually has the Life Drain enchantment on it as well, meaning his physical attacks would Life Drain.

      Life Force Absorption is something Saitama has no resistance to, so Harkon tossing out his Life Drain spell, or hitting him with his sword would destroy him.

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    • AogiriKira wrote:
       

      Already established in the thread that Life Drain isn't instant. Saitama starts noticing himself gettng weaker or feeling pain and immediately decides to get serious with the guy in-front of him and annahilates him in an instant.

      And I think this should have been added by now.

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    • Planck69 wrote:
      AogiriKira wrote:
       
      Already established in the thread that Life Drain isn't instant. Saitama starts noticing himself gettng weaker or feeling pain and immediately decides to get serious with the guy in-front of him and annahilates him in an instant.

      And I think this should have been added by now.

      Life Drain taking time is as much a Game Mechanic as Shouts having a cooldown is. 

      Furthermore Higher Level Vampires (Which Harkon scales above) Drains Stamina ontop of Health, which would tire Saitama out especially given his lack of resistance plus the fact Saitama has no impressive stamina feats. 

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    • Except we have zero feats for his life drain lore wise? Same way we generally have zero feats for harkon in the lore? The guy barely exist outside his appearance in dawnguard.

      His greatest feat lore wise was tearing a random guy in half and phasing through ice. Gameplay wise he's rather unimpressive as well, leading with melee, using his bfr once and never in a combat scenario.  I do think life drain will be effective but we can't state with any confidence it can oneshot saitama.

      further if the overtime thing is game mechanics can you point me towards the lore that shows/implies it's instant outside gameplay? (Genuinely curious)

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    • AogiriKira wrote:

      Life Drain taking time is as much a Game Mechanic as Shouts having a cooldown is. 

      Furthermore Higher Level Vampires (Which Harkon scales above) Drains Stamina ontop of Health, which would tire Saitama out especially given his lack of resistance plus the fact Saitama has no impressive stamina feats. 

      He, or anyone really, doesn't need much stamina for throwing out one punch. And Life Drain would have to drain Saitama, a Rel+ character in less than three seconds for him to die before he gets the memo that he needs to punch Harkon really hard. Life Drain definitely takes takes longer than that.

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    • Saitama FRA

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    • Planck69 wrote:
      AogiriKira wrote:

      Life Drain taking time is as much a Game Mechanic as Shouts having a cooldown is. 

      Furthermore Higher Level Vampires (Which Harkon scales above) Drains Stamina ontop of Health, which would tire Saitama out especially given his lack of resistance plus the fact Saitama has no impressive stamina feats. 

      He, or anyone really, doesn't need much stamina for throwing out one punch. And Life Drain would have to drain Saitama, a Rel+ character in less than three seconds for him to die before he gets the memo that he needs to punch Harkon really hard. Life Drain definitely takes takes longer than that.

      Speed is Equalized, and as I said Life Drain taking time is just a game mechanic.

      "​​​​Doesn't need much stamina for throwing out one punch" Im not arguing he gets too tired to fight properly, im saying he gets too tired to even stand.

      Furthermore, another in character trait for Harkon is to summon Gargoyles and Teleport around by turning into bats and mist. If he needs to he can just abuse his range advantage and keep travelling around the battlefield, and if he deems Saitama too much of a threat after seeing him casually oneshotting his gargoyles he'll start Mindhaxing. 

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    • AogiriKira wrote:

      Speed is Equalized, and as I said Life Drain taking time is just a game mechanic.

      "​​​​Doesn't need much stamina for throwing out one punch" Im not arguing he gets too tired to fight properly, im saying he gets too tired to even stand.

      Furthermore, another in character trait for Harkon is to summon Gargoyles and Teleport around by turning into bats and mist. If he needs to he can just abuse his range advantage and keep travelling around the battlefield, and if he deems Saitama too much of a threat after seeing him casually oneshotting his gargoyles he'll start Mindhaxing. 

      Again, not instantaneous. He tries to attack Harkon and his gargoyles and end them in a single shot and see's that Harkon is still standing, decides that he's somewhat strong and Finishes him with a Serious Punch before the drain starts to seriously affect him. Mind-hax he doesn't even use in-character anyway.

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    • Planck69 wrote:
      AogiriKira wrote:

      Speed is Equalized, and as I said Life Drain taking time is just a game mechanic.

      "​​​​Doesn't need much stamina for throwing out one punch" Im not arguing he gets too tired to fight properly, im saying he gets too tired to even stand.

      Furthermore, another in character trait for Harkon is to summon Gargoyles and Teleport around by turning into bats and mist. If he needs to he can just abuse his range advantage and keep travelling around the battlefield, and if he deems Saitama too much of a threat after seeing him casually oneshotting his gargoyles he'll start Mindhaxing. 

      Again, not instantaneous. He tries to attack Harkon and his gargoyles and end them in a single shot and see's that Harkon is still standing, decides that he's somewhat strong and Finishes him with a Serious Punch. Mind-hax he doesn't even use in-character anyway.

      Harkon will use Mind Hax if his other options aren't doing jack, he isn't stupid.

      And yes, Life Drain is instantaneous. You literally can do it by waving your hand out.

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    • AogiriKira wrote:

      Harkon will use Mind Hax if his other options aren't doing jack, he isn't stupid.

      And yes, Life Drain is instantaneous. You literally can do it by waving your hand out.

      Triggering it is instant, it fully killing a target isn't. By the time it registers that he has to use mind-hax, he's already paste. Saitama starts with a 6-C to High 6-C punch which doesn't affect Harkon ergo he won't be prompted to use mind-hax in the first place. Saitama however gets the memo that his opponent is strong and goes for the kill.

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    • Planck69 wrote:
      AogiriKira wrote:

      Harkon will use Mind Hax if his other options aren't doing jack, he isn't stupid.

      And yes, Life Drain is instantaneous. You literally can do it by waving your hand out.

      Triggering it is instant, it fully killing a target isn't. By the time it registers that he has to use mind-hax, he's already paste. Saitama starts with a 6-C to High 6-C punch which doesn't affect Harkon ergo he won't be prompted to use mind-hax in the first place. Saitama however gets the memo that his opponent is strong and goes for the kill.

      "Triggering it is instant, it fully killing a target isn't" again that is quite clearly a game mecahnic meant for balancing. By using game logic people will start saying The Staff of Magnus' powernull takes time as shown in game, despite it clearly being a game mechanic as well. Furthermore The Dovahkiin's "Drain Vitality" Shout has a very similar function to Harkon's Drain spell, and ingame it is shown to drain alot less despite Shouts having huge background lore behind them and logically should be far stronger than Harkon's Drain. It's all game mechanics, that contradicts lore. Life Drain taking time is simply a product of balancing the game.

      Furthermore "By the time he registers that he has to use mind hax he's already paste." He's gonna use it if he finds out he's running out of options. He's gonna be spamming teleport, attacks, and summons, and if he sees they aren't damaging Saitama at all he's gonna mind hax from a good distance away from him. He still has the range advantage and will likely come to the realization first due to him starting lethal quicker and being of a far higher intelligence than Saitama.

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    • AogiriKira wrote:

      If you have any showings or statements that prove it's instant then be my guest and present them. We aren't just going to assume so because his only showing is game-mechanics.

      And you're really conflating intelligence with knowledge here. Saitama isn't threatening him enough to start teleporting around when the former opens with an attack that can be argued to possibly not even harm his summons. Nor is he flying to the other side of the planet considering the shockwave alone of Saitama's Serious Punch covers thousands of kilometeres. He won't notice himself running out of options when from his perspective, Saitama is barely a threat.

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    • Planck69 wrote:
      AogiriKira wrote:
      If you have any showings or statements that prove it's instant then be my guest and present them. We aren't just going to assume so because his only showing is game-mechanics.

      And you're really conflating intelligence with knowledge here. Saitama isn't threatening him enough to start teleporting around when the former opens with an attack that can be argued to possibly not even harm his summons. Nor is he flying to the other side of the planet considering the shockwave alone of Saitama's Serious Punch covers thousands of kilometeres. He won't notice himself running out of options when from his perspective, Saitama is barely a threat.

      First of all, The Staff of Magnus is never directly stated to be instant in the lore yet we don't assume that due to unreliable game mechanics. The same can be said for dragon shouts.

      "Saitama isn't threatening him enough to start teleporting around" Harkon teleports in character regardless as seen in his boss fight. He's a mage so of course he's going to be casting shit from a distance. And him realizing he needs to put Saitama down stems from the fact none of his attacks are hurting him either way, and he would recognize that earlier assuming his attacks dont work, as he starts off lethal and will throw out most of his arsenal from the get go. 

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    • Yeah, for me it's Harkon. Harkon NEVER go to melee and will always spam his gargoyle summons and vampiric drain. The moment he sees Saitama getting close, he can just use his mist form, or turn into bat to increase the distance again. He is a mage, no way he is going to let Saitama get close. And when he sees his summons getting wreck and his attacks barely dId anything to Saitama, he will start using his more haxed abilities.

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    • Grace is over so you can't debate this any more. Saitama has won so this should be added if it hasn't already.

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    • Madotsuki24 wrote:
      Grace is over so you can't debate this any more. Saitama has won so this should be added if it hasn't already.

      Has someone already posted this on the versus match addition thread? Nvm, I'll do it.

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    • There's nothing stopping people from debating, ineffectual as it may be, as long as the thread is still open, just to point that out.

      Or unless they bring up something important that would upset the vote count. Grace doesn't make that not a thing.

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    • LSirLancelotDuLacl wrote:
      There's nothing stopping people from debating, ineffectual as it may be, as long as the thread is still open, just to point that out.

      Or unless they bring up something important that would upset the vote count. Grace doesn't make that not a thing.

      Madot was more pointing out that grace ended a while ago so this really wouldn't need to go on unless they do a re-match or something. Nothing new was brought up anyway.

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    • Again, there's really nothing stopping people from continuing to argue even after Grace, that is my only point. What they chose to do until it closes is their business after all, as long as no rules are broken.

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    • LSirLancelotDuLacl wrote:
      Again, there's really nothing stopping people from continuing to argue even after Grace, that is my only point. What they chose to do until it closes is their business after all, as long as no rules are broken.

      I definitely agree that they can discuss this, don't get me wrong.

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