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  • Antvasima
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    08:19, December 18, 2019

    I wanna get in on this.

    Patchy arrived to Bikini Bottom to meet his hero Spongebob Squarepants, instead he came the sight of a hooded figure in the process of absorbing the Invincibubble in the ruins of the town.

    Both low 7-C

    Speed equal

    Walk the plank Mercer:

    Good, more biomass

    Thunder:

    Patchypic
    Alex Mercer Prototype
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    • What is Patchy’s leading move in a fight?

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    • Can we stop bloodlusting the guy with thought based hax and putting him up against people who have no counters against that kinda thing? Thanks.

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    • Is Patchy’s thought-based hax his Dimensional Travel and Time Travel?

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    • Wait thought based hax?

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    • Freezing hom in time, if what I've heard is correct.

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    • Yeah, I’m pretty sure the only way this can get a bit fairer is if the OP removes the bloodlusted condition for both of the fighters.

      What is Patchy’s leading move without the bloodlust?

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    • So would taking away his bloodlust make this more fair?

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    • Chronoaiswaifu wrote: So would taking away his bloodlust make this more fair?

      Maybe. It depends on what Patchy’s leading move in combat is without bloodlust.

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    • In character, pretty sure his starting move is cannonballs.

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    • Mercer’s leading move for his Low 7-C and 7-C keys should logically be unleashing practically omnidirectional AoE gasses, which infects his targets (bringing the rest of his hax in as a result).

      Does the cannonballs have anything special on Patchy’s end?

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    • >OP’s descriptions

      Wait, speed isn’t equalised.

      Uh... Mercer gets hax-blitzed by Patchy’s Relativistic reactions.

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    • Can't believe I forgot that

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    • Mercer farts, GG.

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    • Non bloodlusted, Patchy uses time hacks the most. Then probably Plot hacks

      Bloodlusted. Plot hacks.


      Should note. Patchy is high enough in Small Town level not to be one shot. Even with an omnidirectional attack. Patchy also has ways to escape that via sort of teleporting (via dimensional travel), so he could honestly even escape that. And considering it’s Omnidirectional. He probably would react in such a way. So even if He got it in. Patchy still has ways to dodge it.

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    • Has Patchy's Plot Manipulation ever took out characters with regeneration the level of Mercer? Because abilities like these needs feats for such (especially when it involves killing/destroying/defeating a character with great levels of regeneration).

      Though I heard Patchy starts off with his cannonballs first in-character (neither characters are bloodlusted in this match as it is currently), so I'm not even sure he would start off with his time hax.

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    • Plot hacks easily bypass regen. It doesn’t need to face someone of Alex regen level cause it’s the plot. He can no him out of existence if he wanted

      He uses time hacks more than he used cannon balls. Which is why he all the time hack types. Safest to say is an opener

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    • Scans for Patchy's Plot Manipulation causing Existence Erasure? If there are no scans/evidence for such, then it shouldn't even be assumed that Patchy can use Plot Manipulation that way. Abilities like these needs feats, or else it'll just be NLF.

      That directly contradicts one of the users stating that Patchy starts off with cannonballs in-character.

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    • Plot hacks literally manipulated the plot. He changes what will happen. It’s like spongebob having the book. Technically, he can write, this person stopped existing. The the plot. It’s what happens. It’s what will happen. Much like burger bears controls what spongebob did or what happened to him or where he was. And even if he can exist. So can patchy. He just is manipulating plot itself, aka. He can erase

      He doesn’t though. He just had cannons. He doesn’t really start with them. He would only use them at a distance realistically

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:
      Has Patchy's Plot Manipulation ever took out characters with regeneration the level of Mercer? Because abilities like these needs feats for such (especially when it involves killing/destroying/defeating a character with great levels of regeneration).

      Though I heard Patchy starts off with his cannonballs first in-character, so I'm not even sure he would start off with his time hax.

      It's Plot Manipulation. Unless it's a really shitty variant then Mercer's regen means jack when he could have his powers written away, the story be twisted so that he loses or just be plain removed from the plot of the fight. And Mercer's regen isn't even remotely near the levels where narrative or plot erasure might not be able to deal with him.

      From what I heard, either cannon-balls or time-stop seems to be his first in-character moves.

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    • That’s incorrect. Plot. Aka. What can and will happen. Patchy can manipulate it. It doesn’t matter that Alex has high regen. Patchy can lol no it with plot. Plot manipulation covers most hacks as its manipulation of what’s going to happen flat. If someone stopped existing, if their regen stopped working, if they just died suddenly. ECT. Plot hacks cover it. So plot hacks Lol no regen.

      He hasn’t even really used cannon balls in the show. He has them. It’s a weapon he has at his disposal and would use if in a fight at the right distance or on his ship. But not really his opener

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    • Provide feats/scans of Patchy using Plot Manipulation to cause Existence Erasure or killing/destroying a character with Mercer's level of regeneration. Just because a character like Patchy has Plot Manipulation, they shouldn't be assume to be able to achieve anything with it. They'll need feats/scans to demonstrate the extent of their abilities. If they don't have feats/scans, then it shouldn't be assumed that can perform the extent described via lack of evidence, thus No-Limits Fallacy.

      @Buttersamuri This match does start at a distance.

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    • so I guess patchy stops time GG

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    • DeathNoodles wrote: Provide feats/scans of Patchy using Plot Manipulation to cause Existence Erasure or killing/destroying a character with Mercer's level of regeneration. Just because a character like Patchy has Plot Manipulation, they shouldn't be assume to be able to achieve anything with it. They'll need feats/scans to demonstrate the extent of their abilities. If they don't have feats/scans, then it shouldn't be assumed that can do such via lack of evidence, thus No-Limits Fallacy.

      @Buttersamuri This match does start at a distance.

      Ok. Understand that Plot hacks Manipulate Everything. It literally can change anything abott it the story. What happens. Everything. It can Bypass regen. It can erase people. It’s the plot. It’s what happens. Patchy controls it. He literally control what will happen. Regen means jack here. If he thinks “ok. Alex doesn’t exist anymore.” The plot makes Alex not exist anymore. That’s how plot hacks work.

      Still not an opener really, and my point of dodging his attack still stands. If he opened with the AOE attack. Patchy could easily dodge and time hack him from there. Which is his more safe opener

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Ok. Understand that Plot hacks Manipulate Everything. It literally can change anything abott it the story. What happens. Everything. It can Bypass regen. It can erase people. It’s the plot. It’s what happens. Patchy controls it. He literally control what will happen. Regen means jack here.

      Still not an opener really, and my point of dodging his attack still stands. If he opened with the AOE attack. Patchy could easily dodge and time hack him from there. Which is his more safe opener

      Again. Provide. Feats.

      No feats or scans with the ability = NLF. And when it's NLF, the extent of the abilities you described that the character can achieve is invalid due to lack of solid evidence. And if it's invalid, it can't really be used in a Versus debate.

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:
      Provide feats/scans of Patchy using Plot Manipulation to cause Existence Erasure or killing/destroying a character with Mercer's level of regeneration. Just because a character like Patchy has Plot Manipulation, they shouldn't be assume to be able to achieve anything with it. They'll need feats/scans to demonstrate the extent of their abilities. If they don't have feats/scans, then it shouldn't be assumed that can do such via lack of evidence, thus No-Limits Fallacy.

      @Buttersamuri This match does start at a distance.

      Removing someone with no resistance from the plot is such a basic use of the ability that unless he has a "Limited" moderator then yeah, he's definitely doing it. It's the same as a charcter that has full on telekinesis being unable to rip someone's heart out without 'feats and statements'.

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    • I don’t have the Time when he used it. But the point is. Plot hacks cover being able to lol no regen.

      Your entirely ignoring the fact the power covers that ability. He can easily do it. There’s 0 reason he couldn’t. It’s plot hacks. Plot hacks cover that ability. “Alex’s regen stooped working all of a sudden”. Boom. No more regen. Plot changed it. Cause plot hacks

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    • Planck69 wrote: Removing someone with no resistance from the plot is such a basic use of the ability that unless he has a "Limited" moderator then yeah, he's definitely doing it. It's the same as a charcter that has full on telekinesis being unable to rip someone's heart out without 'feats and statements'.

      Buttersamuri wrote: I don’t have the Time when he used it. But the point is. Plot hacks cover being able to lol no regen.

      Your entirely ignoring the fact the power covers that ability. He can easily do it. There’s 0 reason he couldn’t. It’s plot hacks. Plot hacks cover that ability. “Alex’s regen stooped working all of a sudden”. Boom. No more regen. Plot changed it. Cause plot hacks

      It doesn't matter if it's a "basic use of the ability" as a power in general, characters like Patchy still needs to induce effects such as Existence Erasure. If such characters doesn't have such feats, then it's NLF, thus invalid in a Versus context.

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    • Incorrect. It’s not a NLF. It’s an ability he has and fully capable of doing. Burger bears never erased someone from existence. But he still could. He just would have to do it. Unless his powers are shown to actually be limited to not being able to. There’s no reason it shouldn’t be able to do it

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Incorrect. It’s not a NLF. It’s an ability he has and fully capable of doing. Burger bears never erased someone from existence. But he still could. He just would have to do it. Unless his powers are shown to actually be limited to not being able to. There’s no reason it shouldn’t be able to do it

      If characters like Burger Bears has never been shown or stated to be able to erase a target from existence, then it shouldn't be assumed they can do so without being considered NLF. It's as simple as that. Feats are very important in a Versus context.

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    • Besides, you know, never having done it and never showing the capacity to. Holy NLF Batman.

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    • Ok ignoring plot manip for a sec, it doesn't matter how high into 7c patchy is, he will be oneshot by mercers first move if it hits, mercers first move in this key is to gas the area, this gas infects things on a molecular level, afaik patchy has no means to survive such an effect.

      Now on to plot hax, i'd like to know what patchy has used his plothax for in character. How does he make use of this ability normally?

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    • Plot hacks have that capability. He just doesn’t show to use it. Aka. He wouldn’t use it in character. Not he can’t use it

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    • If he doesn't use it in character how will that help him here, he won't survive mercers gas attack if it hits.

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Plot hacks have that capability. He just doesn’t show to use it. Aka. He wouldn’t use it in character. Not he can’t use it

      He does have to show it. It is the very important for a character to show feats/scans that showcases that they can perform a specific feat. If they have not shown such, then they wouldn't be assumed to do so due to NLF.

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      It doesn't matter if it's a "basic use of the ability" as a power in general, characters like Patchy still needs to induce effects such as Existence Erasure. If such characters doesn't have such feats, then it's NLF, thus invalid in a Versus context.

      EE is just the result of him removing Mercer from the story, which is what any plot-hax user with the full ability can do. It isn't NLF when the feat in question can be achieved by literally any user of the ability. Otherwise we need feats of perception manip user turning himself invisible even though almost any user of the ability can do that.

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    • damn, this match is getting intense right before i have to go to bed

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    • The pen or the sword wrote: Ok ignoring plot manip for a sec, it doesn't matter how high into 7c patchy is, he will be oneshot by mercers first move if it hits, mercers first move in this key is to gas the area, this gas infects things on a molecular level, afaik patchy has no means to survive such an effect.

      Now on to plot hax, i'd like to know what patchy has used his plothax for in character. How does he make use of this ability normally?

      First point. Gotcha. Well. I doubt he would hit him if they are that far away due to was to stop and prevent this. Patchy also doesn’t need to breathe. So maybe could prevent it that way too

      He got mad and changed the ending of the episode. I’m not saying he would even try to Erase Alex. I’m just saying he can

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Plot hacks have that capability. He just doesn’t show to use it. Aka. He wouldn’t use it in character. Not he can’t use it

      Some users of plot hax do. Not all of them. Prove Patchy can do it.

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    • Planck69 wrote: EE is just the result of him removing Mercer from the story, which is what any plot-hax user with the full ability can do. It isn't NLF when the feat in question can be achieved by literally any user of the ability. Otherwise we need feats of perception manip user turning himself invisible even though almost any user of the ability can do that.

      It doesn't matter if other characters with Plot Manipulation that are not Patchy can do it, what matters is if Patchy himself has showcased that he can do such. If he can't, then he shouldn't be assumed to be able to do such due to lack of feats and scans.

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    • Mercers gas got through full biohazard suits with oxygen tanks its more about physical contact not just breathing it in.

      Fair he could do so but this patchy is incharacter so...

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    • OP just bloodlust patchy

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      It doesn't matter if other characters with Plot Manipulation that are not Patchy can do it, what matters is if Patchy himself has showcased that he can do such. If he can't, then he shouldn't be assumed to be able to do such due to lack of feats and scans.

      Every charcter wih this abilty should be able to do it. The same way every character with EE is able to, well, EE someone. 

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    • Your missing the actual point Not. Some plot hackers can do it.

      Any plot hackers can do it. It’s a natural ability that comes with manipulation of plot. Anyone who can manipulate plot like this, should be capable of pulling it off. Cause it’s just something they can do. It doesn’t need a scan. It’s just an ability that comes with it

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    • Saying that Patchy can Erase people because he has plot manipulation and many plot manipulators can do that, is like saying Bill Cipher can erase abstracts because that's something other Reality Warpers can do. The burden if proof is in you to prove that he can.

      What can Patchy's plot hax do? "Changed the end of an episode" is incredibly vague.

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Patchy also doesn’t need to breathe. So maybe could prevent it that way too

      Mercer's virus is capable of both living beings and inanimate objects (which the Redlight Virus, that the Blacklight Virus scales to by being superior, can do). Inanimate objects don't breathe, so it doesn't matter that Patchy can stop breathing as that won't prevent him from being infected that way.

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      Buttersamuri wrote: Patchy also doesn’t need to breathe. So maybe could prevent it that way too

      Mercer's virus is capable of both living beings and inanimate objects (which the Redlight Virus, that the Blacklight Virus scales to by being superior, can do). Inanimate objects don't breathe, so it doesn't matter that Patchy can stop breathing as that won't prevent him from being infected that way.

      Alrighty. That’s fair there.

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    • Uhhhhh, no

      There is different types of plothax

      If Patchy doesnt have the type that bypasses regen, then he cant bypass regen. Period

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Your missing the actual point Not. Some plot hackers can do it.

      Any plot hackers can do it. It’s a natural ability that comes with manipulation of plot. Anyone who can manipulate plot like this, should be capable of pulling it off. Cause it’s just something they can do. It doesn’t need a scan. It’s just an ability that comes with it

      It doesn't matter if it's a "natural ability that comes with the manipulation of the plot" if characters has not shown feats/scans of being able to do it. They must show that they can do it in the canon, or else that can be assumed to be the limited to what they can do based on what they have shown.

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Alrighty. That’s fair there.

      Okay.

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    • Mercer via infection and regen

      Next

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    • Schnee One wrote:
      Mercer via infection and regen

      Next

      Every mercer match ever

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    • Schnee One wrote: Mercer via infection and regen

      Next

      Patchy time hacks and can avoid via the distance and travel capabilities he has

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    • Patchy can quite literally travel back in time to the point where Alex wouldn't even exist.

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    • not even sure why we are debating the plot hacks. Cause patchy is a time person more than plot. And Alex can’t stop time hacks.

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    • If his plot hax can't erase mercer or its not something he's ever done in character I don't see how patchy wins... I suppose he could bfr mercer?

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    • The Prince of Counters wrote: Patchy can quite literally travel back in time to the point where Alex wouldn't even exist.

      Does he have a feat/scan of trying to kill someone from the past? If not, then I don't think we can assume that he will do such.

      What about Patchy's BFR?

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    • I mean if he's bloodlusted, then...

      (op please do that)

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    • The Wright Way wrote:
      Saying that Patchy can Erase people because he has plot manipulation and many plot manipulators can do that, is like saying Bill Cipher can erase abstracts because that's something other Reality Warpers can do. The burden if proof is in you to prove that he can.

      What can Patchy's plot hax do? "Changed the end of an episode" is incredibly vague.

      He changed the course of the story in an episode, not sure what's so vague about that but OK. Let's assume for a moment that Patchy can only do what is show-cased (asinine but whatever), he still goes "And Mercer lost his powers and got destroyed by a meteor, the end." 

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    • BFR comes from his abilities to travel and take things with him through different times and dimensions

      And again. Time hacks.

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    • GoCommitDi wrote: I mean if he's bloodlusted, then...

      (op please do that)

      Bloodlusted would just make a stomp match. I don't know why you would even want that to happen, when bloodlusted matches isn't usually what characters have in the canon...

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    • Planck69 wrote: Let's assume for a moment that Patchy can only do what is show-cased (asinine but whatever), he still goes "And Mercer lost his powers and got destroyed by a meteor, the end." 

      Has Patchy ever done that in the canon?

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    • Buttersamuri wrote:
      BFR comes from his abilities to travel and take things with him through different times and dimensions

      And again. Time hacks.

      Time hax help him how exactly? He can't even hurt mercer due to his regen advantage...

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: BFR comes from his abilities to travel and take things with him through different times and dimensions

      Can he take people with him based on what he has shown?

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    • Patchy would change the plot in his favor is what he would realistically due when using plot hacks.

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    • Planck69 wrote:

      The Wright Way wrote:
      Saying that Patchy can Erase people because he has plot manipulation and many plot manipulators can do that, is like saying Bill Cipher can erase abstracts because that's something other Reality Warpers can do. The burden if proof is in you to prove that he can.

      What can Patchy's plot hax do? "Changed the end of an episode" is incredibly vague.

      He changed the course of the story in an episode, not sure what's so vague about that but OK. Let's assume for a moment that Patchy can only do what is show-cased (asinine but whatever), he still goes "And Mercer lost his powers and got destroyed by a meteor, the end." 

      Yes, but how? What was changed? What originally happened and how did he alter it?

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    • well I'm off to bed, this thread will look real interesting when i wake up

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Patchy would change the plot in his favor is what he would realistically due when using plot hacks.

      Feats/scans of him doing such then? Like others have said, "changing the ending of the episode" sounds vague without further context from the canon.

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    • Has Patchy ever even been in a fight before? If so, what did he do there?

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    • Patchy quite literally changed the enitre ending of an episode because he didn't like it. ( Honestly he should also have Causality manipulation along with his Plot manipulation. ) so it's not far fetched to say he can just "Lol I'm gonna do something about that regen." Or "Lmao I'm just gonna make it so this dude doesn't wanna fight me."

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    • >It's not far fetched

      And has he ever done anything that kills/defeats a character with Mercer's level of regeneration in the canon? Feats/scans are important in this case.

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    • Again don’t have them on me. As well didn’t add it myself.

      Further more. Again time hacks is what he uses. Why are we discussing the hack he probably won’t use since it will be over before he considers it

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    • Mercer became a spongebob fan and spat out spongebob and they all became best friends the end. By patchy the pirate!

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    • What can he do with his time hax to beat mercer?

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: gain time hacks is what he uses. Why are we discussing the hack he probably won’t use since it will be over before he considers it

      Then what has Patchy done with Dimensional Travel, Time Stop, and Time Travel? Has Patchy ever showcased that he has went to the past and killed someone to kill them in the present for the show?

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    • The pen or the sword wrote: What can he do with his time hax to beat mercer?

      Stop it.

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:
      >It's not far fetched

      And has he ever done anything that kills/defeats a character with Mercer's level of regeneration in the canon? Feats/scans are important in this case.

      It's him writing away Mercer's powers and regen, what is so hard to understand about that? Mid-High isn't doing jack when you're no longer anything but a normal human and don't even have it anymore.

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    • What Im just wondering what he'll do? I suppose he could go back in time and stop mercer from dieing in penn station. Though I wonder how in character that move is.

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    • Planck69 wrote: It's him writing away Mercer's powers and regen, what is so hard to understand about that? Mid-High isn't doing jack when you're no longer anything but a normal human.

      Again, when has Patchy ever' done that in the canon? When has he ever removed someone's regeneration and powers, and then killed them in the show?

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      Buttersamuri wrote: gain time hacks is what he uses. Why are we discussing the hack he probably won’t use since it will be over before he considers it

      Then what has Patchy done with Dimensional Travel, Time Stop, and Time Travel? Has Patchy ever showcased that he has went to the past and killed someone to kill them in his present in the show?

      Oh. I can show time stuff and dimensional travel if you give me a moment. That was in the prehistoric special where he kept trying to go back to the prehistoric ages. But ended up in different places. And eventually traveled to a different universes (Dora the explorers universe). Time stop is also on his page too.

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    • The Prince of Counters wrote: Patchy quite literally changed the enitre ending of an episode because he didn't like it. ( Honestly he should also have Causality manipulation along with his Plot manipulation. ) so it's not far fetched to say he can just "Lol I'm gonna do something about that regen." Or "Lmao I'm just gonna make it so this dude doesn't wanna fight me."

      That's still the vaguest possible answer you could've given. How did the ending change?

      Actually, wait, did he change the plot of a Spongebob episode? Because, if so, that shouldn't even be combat applicable. Spongebob is fictional to him, there would be no indication he can do that to people who exist in his own reality.

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    • He doesn't need to bypass the regen, there are different methods of incapacitation, more importantly Patchy can just alter the events to fuck around with shit, such as making sure Mercer doesn't take certain actions or simply not getting into the fight in the first place.

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    • Feats. Feats.

      When has Patchy showcased feats that he has did that to his enemies in the canon?

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    • Buttersamuri wrote:

      Oh. I can show time stuff and dimensional travel if you give me a moment. That was in the prehistoric special where he kept trying to go back to the prehistoric ages. But ended up in different places. And eventually traveled to a different universes (Dora the explorers universe). Time stop is also on his page too.

      so he can't control his dimensional travel or his timetravel is what your telling me? Sounds like his plot manip is reliant on the fact songebob is a fictional being in relation to him but I could be misunderstanding something.

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    • Buttersamuri wrote:

      Oh. I can show time stuff and dimensional travel if you give me a moment. That was in the prehistoric special where he kept trying to go back to the prehistoric ages. But ended up in different places. And eventually traveled to a different universes (Dora the explorers universe). Time stop is also on his page too.

      That... Doesn't sound like something he can properly use in combat if he doesn't even have a proper control over those abilities.

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    • The pen or the sword wrote:

      Buttersamuri wrote:

      Oh. I can show time stuff and dimensional travel if you give me a moment. That was in the prehistoric special where he kept trying to go back to the prehistoric ages. But ended up in different places. And eventually traveled to a different universes (Dora the explorers universe). Time stop is also on his page too.

      so he can't control his dimensional travel or his timetravel is what your telling me?

      He had trouble when first trying it. But he figured it out by the end. He originally thought it was the box he was using that let him do it. But the doctor guy said it was in him all along. And he figured out how to use it to go to prehistoric times

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    • So Patchy's one actual win condition is something he can't control? Yeah, Mercer gasses.

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      Buttersamuri wrote:

      Oh. I can show time stuff and dimensional travel if you give me a moment. That was in the prehistoric special where he kept trying to go back to the prehistoric ages. But ended up in different places. And eventually traveled to a different universes (Dora the explorers universe). Time stop is also on his page too.

      That... Doesn't sound like something he can properly use in combat if he doesn't even have a proper control over those abilities.

      Read my other comment. I cover that issue

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      Again, when has Patchy ever' done that in the canon? When has he ever removed someone's regeneration and powers, and then killed them in the show?

      He's never had to fight someone in this manner in canon. Anyone who could alter the events of a story would come to the logical conclusion of making someone unable to hurt him if in a fight to win.

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    • "trying"? but he did go back to prehistoric times successfully, literally 1 million years ago

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: He had trouble when first trying it. But he figured it out by the end. He originally thought it was the box he was using that let him do it. But the doctor guy said it was in him all along

      And has he showcased feats that he time travelled after that, and has shown that he has killed someone in the past to kill them in the present for the canon?

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    • The Wright Way wrote: So Patchy's one actual win condition is something he can't control? Yeah, Mercer gasses.

      Again. No. Time stop wasn’t even what he struggled with. And time travel he had trouble At first. But he figured it out

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    • Planck69 wrote: He's never had to fight someone in this manner in canon. Anyone who could alter the events of a story would come to the logical conclusion of making someone unable to hurt him if in a fight to win.

      Oh? He has never showcased to use that ability in those manners in the canon?

      Then it should be assumed that he can't use his abilities in such a manner to avoid NLF. It's as simple as that.

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    • Planck69 wrote:

      DeathNoodles wrote:

      Again, when has Patchy ever' done that in the canon? When has he ever removed someone's regeneration and powers, and then killed them in the show?

      He's never had to fight someone in this manner in canon. Anyone who could alter the events of a story would come to the logical conclusion of making someone unable to hurt him if in a fight to win.

      Then why are we assuming he will? Why are we assuming that a character who has never been in a fight, who, according to his very profile, acts completely childish in character, will do the most logical thing in a life or death situation?

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      Buttersamuri wrote: He had trouble when first trying it. But he figured it out by the end. He originally thought it was the box he was using that let him do it. But the doctor guy said it was in him all along

      And has he showcased feats that he time travelled after that, and has shown that he has killed someone in the past to kill them in the present for the canon?

      He used time hacks a few times. And to get back from his time. But he probably wouldn’t got for past kill. He would time stop him.

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    • Time stop won't matter...Like at all, patchy could drop a nuke on mercer/wail on him with timestopped and mercer will just regen when time resumes, so it's not overly relevant beyond stopping mercer from infecting/absorbing. It will incapacitate him for sometime if patch manages to reduce him down enough but his regen takes less then a day to return.

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: He used time hacks a few times. And to get back from his time. But he probably wouldn’t got for past kill. He would time stop him.

      And what has Patchy ever done to his enemies when time was stopped in the canon? Because Mercer's regeneration still plays a factor here.

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    • I’ll have to BRB. I’ll continue later when I can

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      And what has Patchy ever done to his enemies when time was stopped in the canon? Because Mercer's regeneration still plays a factor here.

      I stop time and attack Mercer. Time resumes and I see him regenerate immediately. I'd immediately stop time again once I realize that normal attacks don't work. Then after some thinking I decide to , oh I don't know, plot-hax him since that's literally the only thing I can do?

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    • Planck69 wrote: I stop time and attack Mercer. Time resumes and I see him regenerate immediately. I'd immediately stop time again once I realize that normal attacks don't work. Then after some thinking I decide to , oh I don't know, plot-hax him since that's literally the only thing I can do?

      That's nice and all, but has Patchy ever done that in the canon? And has Patchy ever time stopped to attack his opponents like that in the canon? And has Patchy ever use Plot Manipulation to defeat/kill opponents with Mercer's level of regeneration in the canon?

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    • Or toss him somewhere else he can’t get back. Shanghaied him if that’s the right word. (I don’t know. I’m not with pirate Lingo)

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Or toss him somewhere else he can’t get back. Shanghaied him if that’s the right word. (I don’t know. I’m not with pirate Lingo)

      Does Patchy have feats/scans of doing such in the canon?

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    • Planck69 wrote:

      DeathNoodles wrote:

      And what has Patchy ever done to his enemies when time was stopped in the canon? Because Mercer's regeneration still plays a factor here.

      I stop time and attack Mercer. Time resumes and I see him regenerate immediately. I'd immediately stop time again once I realize that normal attacks don't work. Then after some thinking I decide to , oh I don't know, plot-hax him since that's literally the only thing I can do?

      Again, you're assuming Patchy, someone who is both immature abd has bever been in a fight before, will do the utmost logical thing in character. Or that he won't get gassed at any point prior to coming to that conclusion.

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      Buttersamuri wrote: Or toss him somewhere else he can’t get back. Shanghaied him if that’s the right word. (I don’t know. I’m not with pirate Lingo)

      Does Patchy have feats/scans of doing such in the canon?

      Well. His personality would support that cause he keeps a very pirate like feel.

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    • Ok to my knowledge patchy has never really...well fought anyone in cannon, at least not with any level of real aggression and he's definitely never attempted to kill anyone.

      This throws a bit of a question mark into play, can he use his plot hax to beat an opponent? He's never done it, can he use his dimensional travel/time manip to bfr? Hasn't tried it before, ect.

      He's a character that's totally divorced from things like death and combat he's hard to judge with any level of surety. He's childish and silly, assuming he'll be overly logical here seems off to me especially as he has no knolwedge of what kind of threat mercer poses...

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Well. His personality would support that cause he keeps a very pirate like feel.

      What. That's not a feat/scan. A person's "personality" doesn't count as a feat/scan if they actually haven't performed actions that proves they done such in the canon. He has to have performed actions that you have mentioned in the canon.

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      Buttersamuri wrote: Well. His personality would support that cause he keeps a very pirate like feel.

      What. That's not a feat/scan. A person's "personality" doesn't count as a feat/scan if they actually haven't performed actions that proves they done such in the canon.

      It definitely should count. Since we don’t really see how patchy fights. We can only go off what he uses most and his personality and what it leads him to do. Which would lead him to think about doing this.

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    • This thread is a cluster fuck. As someone who has seen Spongebob Squarepants, I can tell you that Patchy isn't doing shit to Mercer. His Time Stop is literally the only thing of relevance here. Maybe BFR.

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    • "We dont really see how patchy fights"

      Bruh moment. I dont even know why you guys are using him on Versus then. This is literally a Barney situation

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: It definitely should count. Since we don’t really see how patchy fights. We can only go off what he uses most and his personality and what it leads him to do. Which would lead him to think about doing this.

      If Patchy doesn't have feats/scans of him doing the things you've mentioned, then he shouldn't be assumed to do so in order to avoid NLF. Personality and such would only matter if there are feats/scans to prove such in a Versus context.

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    • Ok. I think I found one of the “plot manipulation” points that patchy had.

      I think.

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    • Show it then.

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    • I doubt he'd think of something to beat mercer right away and I don't really get why patch would be overly cautious in this scenario mercer looks pretty normal before he starts shifting and he has no idea of who mercer is or what he can do. I don't really get why he'd go for timestop right away and attempt bfr before trying anything else...

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      Buttersamuri wrote: It definitely should count. Since we don’t really see how patchy fights. We can only go off what he uses most and his personality and what it leads him to do. Which would lead him to think about doing this.

      If Patchy doesn't have feats/scans of him doing the things you've mentioned, then he shouldn't be assumed to do so in order to avoid NLF. Personality and such would only matter if there are feats/scans to prove such in a Versus context.

      We can go only off of what he does most and what his personality would lead him to do, we can’t assume he would do nothing. We have to make logical assumptions based on character and most used abilities.

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    • Oblivion Of The Endless wrote:
      "We dont really see how patchy fights"

      Bruh moment. I dont even know why you guys are using him on Versus then. This is literally a Barney situation

      Literally what Ive been thinking when I saw people using patchy...

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: We can go only off of what he does most and what his personality would lead him to do, we can’t assume he would do nothing. We have to make logical assumptions based on character and most used abilities.

      Which, again, requires feats/scans. If the characters doesn't have feats/scans of doing such and are basically featless in combat... Why are they even here in a Versus context?

      Combat Personality only matters as long as there are feats/scans to support such.

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    • Wait, this fight's whole premise is that Patchy saw Mercer eat Spongebob. Wouldn't Mercer have all of Spongebob's powers too if that's the case?

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    • DeathNoodles wrote: Show it then.

      The episodes Shangeheid he manipulates which ending happens based on the votes apparently. I don’t know if this is actually it. Again. Didn’t add the plot thing in his page myself. But that’s the closest thing I’ve found to changing an episodes end

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote: Wait, this fighter's whole premise is that Patchy saw Mercer eat Spongebob. Wouldn't Mercer have all of Spongebob's powers too if that's the case?

      Ehh no. That’s just a plot for the fight. It’s just regular Mercer

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    • His plot manip is him manipulating the ending of an episode, an episode that is fictitious in his view, mercer is appearing as a real physical entity to fight him so Im not really sure how he'd manip the plot of mercer....

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: The episodes Shangeheid he manipulates which ending happens based on the votes apparently. I don’t know if this is actually it. Again. Didn’t add the plot thing in his page myself. But that’s the closest thing I’ve found to changing an episodes end

      I don't even know what I'm looking at. All I see is him requesting the audience to vote for some endings or something. Is there a particular timestamp for that video to show that he actually uses Plot Manipulation?

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    • The pen or the sword wrote: His plot manip is him manipulating the ending of an episode, an episode that is fictitious in his view, mercer is appearing as a real physical entity to fight him so Im not really sure how he'd manip the plot of mercer....

      Which episode?

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    • Plot Manip should be removed as 90% of his matches since they are all stomps and spites

      Also, no feats of combat or plothax

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    • Oblivion Of The Endless wrote: Plot Manip should be removed as 90% of his matches since they are all stomps and spites

      Also, no feats of combat or plothax

      Either that or have the abilities be listed as "combat inapplicable".

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    • Oblivion Of The Endless wrote: Plot Manip should be removed as 90% of his matches since they are all stomps and spites

      Also, no feats of combat or plothax

      Ehh. No. Not really. The fights like Gumball and Strange has chances. They just lost.

      And weren’t even spite. Plus. Others didn’t even bloodlust him. He didn’t win others via plot hacks.

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      Oblivion Of The Endless wrote: Plot Manip should be removed as 90% of his matches since they are all stomps and spites

      Also, no feats of combat or plothax

      Either that or have the abilities be listed as "combat inapplicable".

      Manipulation of plot is combat applicable. If he can change what happens. That is usable in combat.

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    • Do you have scans that shows that his plot is combat applicable?

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Manipulation of plot is combat applicable. If he can change what happens. That is usable in combat.

      It is only combat applicable if characters have feats/scans of actually using it in a combat scenario in their canons (which is basically how many characters have their abilities treated in this site). Especially in a manner that affects a fight. If characters like Patchy has never done such (or has never been in a fight like this like you guys mentioned), then it should be assumed to be combat inapplicable by default. Does Patchy actually have feats/scans for such?

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    • That’s 100 percent absolutely incorrect. If a character in a show starts shooting fire. But they don’t get in fights and haven’t used it in combat. They still can use it in combat. It’s 100 percent combat applicable. We don’t know how they will react in a fight since they don’t really fight. So we can only assume based on personality and what they have and have used most

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    • How is patchy different from barney btw? He's never been in a fight, has no aggressive bone in his body and has never shown the ability to use his powers in a combat applicable manner. Everything here is guess work because patchy uses his hax at random in the show and has no combat mindset available to him.

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: That’s 100 percent absolutely incorrect. If a character in a show starts shooting fire. But they don’t get in fights and haven’t used it in combat. They still can use it in combat. It’s 100 percent combat applicable.

      In this case, if they haven't shown to use their fire manipulation in a specific manner mentioned (like say shooting giant fireball that eclipses an entire city), then it shouldn't be assumed that those characters can shoot city-sized fireballs until they have feats/scans of doing such. This is how we treat characters in a Versus context in this site.

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    • Exactly.

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    • They still can use fire. Maybe not to that degree sure.

      But plot hacks don’t work the same way. They don’t have an AP degree. They just manipulate what happens. And your either resistant or immune. Or your not. Plain and simple. Nothing like “oh well. He hasn’t faced this regen”. No. That simply doesn’t matter. They aren’t immune to plot hacks. Regen has no resistance. Flat.

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    • Not really. As Ive said, there are different types of plothax

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: They still can use fire. Maybe not to that degree sure.

      But plot hacks don’t work the same way. They don’t have an AP degree. They just manipulate what happens. And your either resistant or immune. Or your not. Plain and simple

      Abilities like Plot Manipulation does have a degree for a character in a versus context. That degree is the extent they can use an ability, what they use an ability for in a combat scenario, how they can use that ability, and what is the best they can do with that ability, etc. All of this requires feats/scans. Plot Manipulation is no exception for characters in Versus context.

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: They still can use fire. Maybe not to that degree sure.

      But plot hacks don’t work the same way. They don’t have an AP degree. They just manipulate what happens. And your either resistant or immune. Or your not. Plain and simple. Nothing like “oh well. He hasn’t faced this regen”. No. That simply doesn’t matter. They aren’t immune to plot hacks. Regen has no resistance. Flat.

      By that logic, the same would hold true for reality warping, but it doesn't. Prove his plot hax lets him beat regen.

      Anyways, I'm going to bed.

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    • His plot hax are incredibly questionable to me, the example you provided wouldn't be combat applicable, as he's changing the episode via a vote and he's working on the premise the show spongebob is fictitious in relation to him. Further he's never used his abilities to bfr anyone to my knowledge and he's not overly intelligent so him keeping mercer frozen sounds out their without prior knowledge.

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    • As a Spongebob fan, I'm going to drop this bomb on you Butter. Patchy doesn't have feats of his Plothax negging Regen. End of discussion.

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    • The pen or the sword wrote: His plot hax are incredibly questionable to me, the example you provided wouldn't be combat applicable, as he's changing the episode via a vote and he's working on the premise the show spongebob is ficticous in relation to him.

      Again. I said I think that could have been it. But I wasn’t sure. I didn’t add the thing myself. I’m going off of what the person who made the page says

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Again. I said I think that could have been it. But I wasn’t sure. I didn’t add the thing myself. I’m going off of what the person who made the page says

      Try to find all the feats/scans of Patchy's Plot Manipulation if you can. It is necessary in this match.

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote: As a Spongebob fan, I'm going to drop this bomb on you Butter. Patchy doesn't have feats of his Plothax negging Regen. End of discussion.

      Plot hacks just say no to regen. Flat. Unless they resist it. plot hacks GG. Reality warping does the same. Unless the regen or person shows resistance. GG. It warps them. No paying attention to durability

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    • That's not how Reality Warping works either! YOU! NEED! FEATS!

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Plot hacks just say no to regen. Flat. Unless they resist it. plot hacks GG. Reality warping does the same. Unless the regen or person shows resistance. GG. It warps them. No paying attention to durability

      Feats/scans of Patchy using Plot Manipulation in that manner. I don't like repeating this like a broken record, but feats/scans are absolutely necessary for even the abilities of characters in Versus context.

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    • DeathNoodles wrote:

      Buttersamuri wrote: Again. I said I think that could have been it. But I wasn’t sure. I didn’t add the thing myself. I’m going off of what the person who made the page says

      Try to find all the feats/scans of Patchy's Plot Manipulation if you can. It is necessary in this match.

      Have to find the person who made it. Really though. I don’t even think this fight should continue. It’s not really fair with patchys hacks. Alex can’t do anything really to time stuff.

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    • Well we have no scan, the one feat we have isn't combat applicable so Im gonna need a scan of him actually using it on something thats actually real in comparison to him and doesn't require him to get a vote done to buy it's combat applicable.

      Even assuming plot hax do its not something patchy has ever done or shown the intellegence or capcity to do.

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: Have to find the person who made it. Really though. I don’t even think this fight should continue. It’s not really fair with patchys hacks. Alex can’t do anything really to time stuff.

      Patchy would still need feats/scans to do all the things that users mentioned he can do in this thread. But if you want to stop continuing with this thread, then it's fine by me. Just get a mod/admin to close this thread.

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    • His plot hax are questionable his bfr is something he's never used to get rid of someone. His time manip seems odd, he has no prior knowledge why would he attempt to keep mercer frozen.

      I see patchy attempting to cannon/attack mercer with swords, he doesn't know mercer is anything more then an average guy, him holding him frozen while he tries to get rid of him requires a level of foreknowledge patchy doesn't have and intelligence he's has never displayed

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    • Put a request on it.

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    • Alright then.

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    • So this is getting closed?

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    • Yep.

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    • Chronoaiswaifu wrote: So this is getting closed?

      Yes

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    • Didn't expect that to happen. 

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    • Apologies it simply seems some things about patchy need to be discussed.

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    • The pen or the sword wrote:
      Apologies it simply seems some things about patchy need to be discussed.

      Ive already posted the CRT

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    • It's alright

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    • Should I close this thread? I was asked to do so, as it is going nowhere.

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    • Yes. It should be fine since the OP doesn't seem to be against it.

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    • Okay.

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