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  • Zark2099
    Zark2099 closed this thread because:
    Fulfilled its purpose, became derailing
    04:24, December 16, 2019

    I hate myself for making another thread on this orange hairy tumor that appeared on this wiki

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    • There is nothing to discuss. It fits none of the criterias that a profile should exist on, and that's it.

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    • Not to be rude, but I'm pretty sure the people that are apparently defending Cool Cat will say otherwise despite the odds being against them

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    • I mean, it's a self-evident truth. They're lite-trolling at this point tbh, because despite being rejected multiple times and explained the basis, they still push the same arguments to waste time.

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    • I've seen lite-trolling here before (the dude who defended having a profile for a pool floatie for dozens of posts), but that's not quite the impression I've got. I think they just have a looser definition of acceptability than we do, and don't realize that the site disagrees with them.

      But I do really hope that this thread isn't needed, since their arguments have been responded to more than enough times.

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    • Just to be clear, despite being a Cool Cat "fan", I fucking hate Fortnite.

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    • Its a joke

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    • Anyways, there is nothing to discuss until Cool Cat Stops a School Shooting comes out, assuming that has some feats for him.

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    • There are more issues with Cool Cat then him lacking feats and not being combat oriented (I think, can hardly tell from all the lite-trolling)

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    • @Agnaa idk, I've repeated myself for the 8th time now to the same user. So I have my doubts.

      Also in the scenario someone argues its some bias against indie memes, this profile is completely valid in terms of Vs Battles.

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    • I'm not super up to date on the current Cool Cat situation, but last I heard Cool Cat decided that he didn't make enough off the Kickstarter (that I helped fund) to actually make the school shooting video, so he started producing two other films instead.

      Is this accurate, or is he still planning on making the school shooting one?

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    • So now the school shooting video argument is invalid?

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    • Whatever, Cool Cat will never come back (Thanks Ant)

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    • Agnaa wrote:
      I'm not super up to date on the current Cool Cat situation, but last I heard Cool Cat decided that he didn't make enough off the Kickstarter (that I helped fund) to actually make the school shooting video, so he started producing two other films instead.

      Is this accurate, or is he still planning on making the school shooting one?

      He's still doing it. He made a 210 page script and an announcement video about the movie.

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    • Gewsbumpz dude wrote:
      Whatever, Cool Cat will never come back (Thanks Ant)

      I think he meant as of now

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    • As of July this year, the latest update on the indiegogo for the film states that he's not currently producing Cool Cat Stops a School Shooting, he's using the funds to make Cool Cat's Crazy Dream, and is pitching Cool Cat Stops a School Shooting to investors.

      As of right now, no, he is not doing it.

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    • BigSmoke4269 wrote:
      Gewsbumpz dude wrote:
      Whatever, Cool Cat will never come back (Thanks Ant)
      I think he meant as of now
      Agreed. The joke has run its course. The profile is gone and shouldn't be restored, nor should we talk about it here.
      ~ His direct and unedited words from the profile deletion thread
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    • Going off that I seriously doubt he meant it "As for now"

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    • Agnaa wrote:
      As of July this year, the latest update on the indiegogo for the film states that he's not currently producing Cool Cat Stops a School Shooting, he's using the funds to make Cool Cat's Crazy Dream, and is pitching Cool Cat Stops a School Shooting to investors.

      As of right now, no, he is not doing it.

      He made this video 6 days ago.

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    • Oh, you're right.

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    • Agnaa wrote:
      I've seen lite-trolling here before (the dude who defended having a profile for a pool floatie for dozens of posts)

      Rejoice, Agnaa, for your words of incantation have summoned me, the foul pool floatie demon himself, to this thread.

      I'll agree that Cool Cat profiles are probably a terrible idea, actually. Derek takes shit like this, especially criticism, extremely seriously. Like, file a subpoena and take whoever made the profiles/threads to court serious. If anyone's familiar with the YourMovieSucks controversy, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. Given some of the discussion that takes place here about the Cool Cat franchise (Hell, look at Gewzbump raging in the OP. No offense, but it's a children's educational franchise. Cool your jets, man.), I highly doubt Derek would approve, regardless of his initial response to being asked whether he was fine with these profiles on the wiki (which was a yes, for reference's sake).

      In the interest of not getting slaughtered in court by Daddy Derek's legal team, keep them off the site for good. The profiles and threads were fun, but it's not worth the risk.

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    • I'm just going to link this for reference

      As stated on the thread, Cool Cat not being in because of potential lawsuits is sheer paranoia, Derek already approved him being in here and we even have the scans of it.

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    • To be fair I would rather have a profile for a pool toy then have Cool Cat profiles

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    • Yes because derek savage is well known for keeping his word...

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    • I'm well aware of the scans, but it's not sheer paranoia. Derek has gone back on his word about suing before. He's far more defensive with his property than 99% of other content creators, and it really isn't a good idea.

      Edit: The email, for reference. Red blotches are covering BigSmoke's info.

      69F23077-298B-43EC-9932-64B4918007B4
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    • Well, with the scans we have, at most we can just wait for him asking us to remove him if anything.

      Do we even have any precedents of a Fandom wiki being sued for this sort of stuff?

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    • So does this mean we’re also going to nuke Pepe?

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    • Who said that?

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    • He can very easily argue the picture was doctored. Especially given that technically, it has, with the blotches.

      Just because there's no precedent doesn't mean it's not possible. A lot of the rules on the wiki are specifically for the purpose of not getting sued by offended parties. Ex: stage personas, doxxing (which is not illegal in the US, by the way, but lawsuit worthy), pornographic material, etc.

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    • Nobody, but he seems to be in a similar situation as Cool Cat (As in not being in an even remotely combat-oriented series, and being only being human level, with a few odd abilities)

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    • No, not really.

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    • The edit

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    • Pepe isn't remotely similar.

      Pepe was co-opted for and by a political affiliation that Matt Furie didn't believe in, which pissed him off. Most prominently is the "Pepe and Pede" children's book that was written a while back without his consent. Discussion of Boy's Club itself is perfectly fine, and so is the profile.

      EDIT: Oops, got ninja'd. If they have hax, human-level characters can stay. See the thread linked above.

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    • We have a profile for an official hate symbol, but Cool Cat is too risky.

      Like, what the fuck, guys?

      Also, I don't remember an instance of Derek going back on his word. I know he backed off from YMS after he supported IHE, but that's different.

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    • BigSmoke4269 wrote:
      We have a profile for an official hate symbol, but Cool Cat is too risky.

      Like, what the fuck, guys?

      That only covers the meme for what I understand, not the original source material

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    • ADL wrote:

      Pepe the Frog is a cartoon character that has become a popular Internet meme (often referred to as the "sad frog meme" by people unfamiliar with the name of the character). The character first appeared in 2005 in the on-line cartoon Boy's Club. In that appearance, the character also first used its catchphrase, "feels good, man."

      The Pepe the Frog character did not originally have racist or anti-Semitic connotations. Internet users appropriated the character and turned him into a meme, placing the frog in a variety of circumstances and saying many different things. Many variations of the meme became rather esoteric, resulting in the phenomenon of so-called "rare Pepes."

      The majority of uses of Pepe the Frog have been, and continue to be, non-bigoted. However, it was inevitable that, as the meme proliferated in on-line venues such as 4chan, 8chan, and Reddit, which have many users who delight in creating racist memes and imagery, a subset of Pepe memes would come into existence that centered on racist, anti-Semitic or other bigoted themes.

      In recent years, with the growth of the "alt right" segment of the white supremacist movement, a segment that draws some of its support from some of the above-mentioned Internet sites, the number of "alt right" Pepe memes has grown, a tendency exacerbated by the controversial and contentious 2016 presidential election. Though Pepe memes have many defenders, the use of racist and bigoted versions of Pepe memes seems to be increasing, not decreasing.

      However, because so many Pepe the Frog memes are not bigoted in nature, it is important to examine use of the meme only in context. The mere fact of posting a Pepe meme does not mean that someone is racist or white supremacist. However, if the meme itself is racist or anti-Semitic in nature, or if it appears in a context containing bigoted or offensive language or symbols, then it may have been used for hateful purposes.

      In the fall of 2016, the ADL teamed with Pepe creator Matt Furie to form a #SavePepe campaign to reclaim the symbol from those who use it with hateful intentions.

      There is nothing remotely /pol/worthy on Pepe's profile. It's strictly Boy's Club. It's fine.

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    • Pornographic material comes from Fandom not liking those, not of potential legality issues, but that's not the point.

      Anyways, this is taking too many assumptions into account, rendering some of the stuff against Cool Cat being in dubious, as it's also trying to ignore the stuff that support Cool Cat being by focusing more on the reasons why not, which borders into Ad Nauseam.

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    • Dig into why Fandom doesn't like pornography on their website. It's not just preference, there is a legal reason behind it.

      Bob, it's quite frank that I simply am not going to be able to convince you that this is a shoddy idea no matter how hard I try. I've done my little song and dance here, and I think I'll just step back until someone with a colorful name gives their input.

      You should change the title, though, Gewsbumpz, as not only is it a bit excessively angry, but it's also vague and doesn't relate to the thread's topic at all. "Cool Cat Verse Deletion Discussion" would be leagues better.

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    • So maybe we should just stop and face the fact that several staff members and more people believe that Cool Cat should not be around so this Ad Nauseam can stop

      That MIGHT be a good idea

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    • @Nemo

      Alright, still a good title to me

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    • Let's close this.

      Cool Cat won't come back, put him on the JBW because he doesn't belong here

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    • ^

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    • Because of legal complications, if Cool Cat gets banned here, so will he in JBW, just pointing that out.

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    • Tough luck

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    • so are we still deleting Stephanie Meanswell

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    • Yes, yes we are

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    • Okay, so it's totally accepted for Cool Cat just not being on the wiki?

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    • Bobsican wrote:
      Because of legal complications, if Cool Cat gets banned here, so will he in JBW, just pointing that out.

      He's already a JBW profile

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    • Practically yes considering the amount of people that agree that we shouldn't have him on the wiki, including Ant

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    • I've repeatedly said that Cool Cat should stay deleted unless something happens in Cool Cat Stops a School Shooting.

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    • And?

      That doesn't at all counter the argument I have, or the other issues the Cool Cat page had in the first place.

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    • Plus literally no staff members (Important people) for what I've seen approved that idea

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    • What "other issues" did it have? All I've heard is that Cool Cat isn't a combat oriented verse, despite having two whole books based off martial arts.

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    • Yah, two books out of the entire brand

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    • And the entire brand consists of CC going on non-combat oriented adventures and helping kids

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    • Is the brand that big?

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    • According to Google Cool Cat has 12 books and 4 movies. Literally 2 things out of 16 products about Cool Cat.

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    • Huh, neat

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    • yet all 3 of those movies are just edited versions of CC Saves the Kids

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    • Still seperate films nonetheless,  really it only shows that they are poorly made

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    • Actually, Cool Cat Saves the Kids is just all the previous movies cobbled together into one, and Kids Superhero is just an edited Saves the Kids.

      Anyways, mascots with combat-oriented material are allowed, despite said material making up, like, one hundredth of their brand.

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    • So, just asking, if CC gets, say, superhuman LS and Speed, would it be acceptable to have him back?

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    • Why would he get Superhuman LS and Speed in the first place?

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    • BigSmoke4269 wrote:

      Anyways, mascots with combat-oriented material are allowed, despite said material making up, like, one hundredth of their brand.

      What?

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    • I don't know abou LS, but in Stops a School Shooting he might dodge a bullet

      And I think he would be acceptable if he has viable upgrades.

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    • So you’re saying we might get Supersonic Cool Cat? ovo

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    • Probably subsonic

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    • Might, he might dodge a bullet (this wiki doesn't approve guesswork, you saw what happened to that Witch feat). Even though given the cheapness of the films in general I doubt that would happen.

      I'm pretty sure dodging a bullet wouldn't instantly make you combat oriented, lets say Handy Mandy dodges a bullet, would that make him a combat orientated character? No it shouldn't.

      Plus the apparent martial arts books are still massively outweighed by the kid appropriate garbage the series also possesses that don't prove Cool Cat is a combat orientated character.

      Again, literally no one important approved that idea (And honestly at this point I doubt that anyone important would share that ideology)

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    • This should be closed.

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    • Gewsbumpz dude wrote:
      Might, he might dodge a bullet (this wiki doesn't approve guesswork). Even though given the cheapness of the films in general I doubt that would happen.

      I'm pretty sure dodging a bullet wouldn't instantly make you combat oriented, lets say Handy Mandy dodges a bullet, would that make him a combat orientated character? No it shouldn't.

      Plus the apparent martial arts books are still massively outweighed by the kid appropriate garbage the series also possesses that don't prove Cool Cat is a combat orientated character.

      Again, literally no one important approved of that idea (And honestly at this point I doubt that anyone important would share that ideology)

      I'm trying to tell you to wait until that movie comes out to discuss this.

      If Handy Mandy was in the sort of action-packed situation where he'd need to dodge a bullet, he'd be a combat oriented character. Problem is, he'll never be in that situation because he's Handy Mandy.

      "Anyways, mascots with combat-oriented material are allowed, despite said material making up, like, one hundredth of their brand." -Me

      Yeah. The massive group of one person, and even that was rather vague.

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    • I thought Handy actually had a profile on here, and I am extremely disappointed right now

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    • Technically that's a good point though.

      Parks&Rec had a hunting episode while Office has had a few "fighting" focused episode, hell even stuff like the Middle throw in a "School Fight" scene, and the original Diary of a Wimpy Kid book has a scene that can be considered "action-packed" (The Halloween chase scene)

      So like, does a presence of a single fighting related installment outweigh the rest of the verse's showcase? That'll be a discussion point I suppose.

      BigSmoke is right though, any further discussion should likely be shelved until the film is actually released. Who knows, maybe he doesn't get anything.

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    • I mean, Barney the Dinosaur has no fighting feats whatsoever and is allowed.

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    • He’s 8-B though, so it’s fine

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    • I mean that if there was character who needed to dodge a bullet in the first place, they would likely be combat oriented, whereas Handy Mandy would be in no such situation.

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    • Barney is getting a downgrade to tier 9

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    • Bobsican wrote: Barney is getting a downgrade to tier 9

      Tier 9 isn't tier 10.

      Jesus christ, it's like you guys aren't even reading the reasons why CC isn't allowed...

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    • ‘Twas a Joke M8

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    • BigSmoke4269 wrote: I mean that if there was character who needed to dodge a bullet in the first place, they would likely be combat oriented, whereas Handy Mandy would be in no such situation.

      Faulty logic ngl. Bruce Wayne's parents aren't combat-oriented because they had a chance to dodge a bullet, neither are the civillians who had to run from rubble in Man of Steel.

      @Bobsican If you don't stop tempting me, Barney is getting a downgrade to JBW

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    • No wonder tier 9 is as varied as it is.

      I wonder how tier 10 could be...

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    • as someone who has watched the entire lazytown series, i cant even remember a time sportacus has hurt robbie, so let's delete sport next

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    • @Soupywolf5 Glad to hear that bringing up Barney as a defense is just a joke.

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    • Jesus Christ this thread is going in circles.

      Locking it, there's nothing of value here

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