FANDOM


    • Lol that would be I....

        Loading editor
    • huh, small world

      i enjoyed the Overlord x FoZ story, though i've never watched FoZ

        Loading editor
    • Neither have I, most of what I know comes from speaking to others familiar with the series and the wiki. Its an odd series from what I've gathered, and even people who've watched/read it seem to agree its....Far from perfect, not helped by the fact the author died before he could really finish.

        Loading editor
    • I do plan to contiue it and write it to completion, Ive simply lacked motivation recently, Ive got a over half the next chapter done (around 5k words written already) got a 7k word oneshot of steven universe nearly completely. Most of the intro to a prototype/rwby crossover written up and a few other idea lying around but my muse has become far to elusive recen

        Loading editor
    • that's a big oof

      did you see what i posted in the Discussion thread?

      manga feats here we come

        Loading editor
    • The pen or the sword wrote:
      Neither have I, most of what I know comes from speaking to others familiar with the series and the wiki. Its an odd series from what I've gathered, and even people who've watched/read it seem to agree its....Far from perfect, not helped by the fact the author died before he could really finish.

      i know a guy who is very much a fan of the series, and he seems to sing its praises where he thinks it really shines

      apparently the main girl wants to be a dominatrix or something

      so....that's something

        Loading editor
    • Really would love to discuss it with him at some point especially if he's familiar with the light novels. Ive heard some plainly odd things and while Im sure the series has it's moments, there's quite a few logical inconsistencies to my understanding, itd be great to have them cleared up or to simply discuss them.

      To my knowledge she doesn't want to be a dominatrix (that'd be interesting if true though, just something I haven't heard of) She whips the protag to assert dominance and due to her insecurity mistrust, while it's played for laughs in the anime (And light novels to an extent) The light novels seem to paint this in a slightly more realistic unhealthy light.

        Loading editor
    • tbf, what story doesn't have inconsistencies?

        Loading editor
    • sometimes, i wish we could use the crossover stuff for Overlord

      Ainz mentions lvl 100/super high level warriors could pulverise a city wall with a punch in one of them

      i know it wouldn't work, trust me. But i'm just so desperate for feats

        Loading editor
    • Apeironaxim wrote:
      tbf, what story doesn't have inconsistencies?

      Fair but when the explanation for a girl making a highly illegal love potion (Like the girl would be hanged if caught, its highly forbidden) is shes good with potions with no further explanation I draw some issue...:

      Didn't he mention once strikes would need to be able to destroy city walls to harm him? Though I perfectly understand the want for feats, Im hoping we might get 7a with meteor fall...

        Loading editor
    • are you saying you want me to CTRL F "city wall" through all the volumes

      the anime would be our only hope, the manga seems to go out of its way to not depict any of the big desctruction scenes

        Loading editor
    • YUS!

      No Im pretty sure it was during the holy kingdom arc, though I could be misremembering....

        Loading editor
    • i know, i'm just saying the only hope would be the eventual anime depiction, due to what i said about the manga above

        Loading editor
    • Welp, might as well try to find that city wall quote tomorrow, i got nothing better to do

        Loading editor
    • Until a season 4 of the anime, i feel the best bet for an AP feat is going to be Albedo's WCI

      But hey, at least we have the 6-C storm feat if nothing else

        Loading editor
    • any idea where you might have seen the city wall thing?

        Loading editor
    • However, nobody had said that in the prison camps which the Sorcerer King had liberated. Given his overwhelmingly potent magic ― which could sometimes wreck city walls in a single blast ― and the fact that he was the king of another nation, nobody would dare take their anger out on him.

      Not the quote, but this is still interesting

        Loading editor
    • Sorry i cant seem to find it, I could have sworn it was during the holy kingdom arc (Specifically a point where ainz let's himself get hit) but it doesn't seem to be there. I must be misremembering my deepest apologies.

      True, unfortunately without an idea of how strong/large those city walls are not a massive help....

        Loading editor
    • doesn't this whole thing take place in E-Rantel?

        Loading editor
    • Eh, not sure im rereading the novels again but Im only on volume 10, and my memory isn't stronge enough to be sure, though E-rantel has three massive walls

        Loading editor
    • you ever find it interesting that if we didn't care about hyperbole, the top tiers would be massively hypersonic/lightning speed

        Loading editor
    • I would care If speed weren't the most worthless stat OvO

        Loading editor
    • the official translation for Brain's God Flash is noticeable less hyperbolic iirc

      too bad people saw an early version of the english version make a slight name mistake, the entire thing is disregarded

        Loading editor
    • True the first run of the translation really left a sour taste in peoples mouth, which wasn't helped with the whole king of darkness debacle that came later, while I feel it's blown out of proportion I understand why some fans are so against the official translation despite not agreeing with it. Its just unfortunate it makes braines feat unquantifiable.

      Random question what series would you like read an overlord crossover for?

        Loading editor
    • Fan translation:

      There was a single word to describe the speed of this movement — lightning. By the time one saw it, one’s head would have fallen, so quickly did it take place.

      [....]

      Shalltear had caught it with her fingertips. 
      She had caught Brain’s lightning-fast strike. 

      Official translation:

      If one was to liken its speed to something: a bolt of lightning. By the time the flash registered, the head was falling - that's how fast he was. 

      [...]

      Shalltear had caught it - his strike that was as fast as a bolt of lightning

      hmmmm, ngl, seeing how Fate characters react to Ainz has always been a fun idea, but he's so outclassed it wouldn't work, besides maybe his death hax. 

      If you could tell me the series you are familiar with, that might be easier

        Loading editor
    • Hmm pretty close overall

      While true their is another story sorta covering that and fates a powerful/complicated world Im not really willing to delve into. Also they have some levels of power that just won't work out as you mentioned. I mean ainz appearing in their world can only go a few ways, most likely I just see him holing up inside the tomb for the rest of eternity :P

      any other ideas strike your fancy?

        Loading editor
    • make him show up in Rakudai to kill Ikki and his "skill"

      btw, since you were talking about wanting Ainz to get more hax and resistances, which hax and resistances do you think would help him most?

        Loading editor
    • I might eventually but Im pasting it onto earls wall :P

      Causality manip resistance would be good, more potent mind hax resistance overall, matter manip resistance would also be excellent, resistance to power null of course. Pretty much any hax resistance will be a great add for him. Hax wise is harder, his innante death hax are already pretty potent and he has soul manip when that fails.

        Loading editor
    • i only see better mind hax resistance and power null resistance being things that might happen

      as for the writing thing, if you can tell me the series you like, there might be some overlap to make it easier. Plus it's always easier to think of stuff when you already like it/are familiar with it

        Loading editor
    • honestly i wanna see what Wish Upon a Star can do

      it seems to have a set limit already, where you can't wish for unlimited free wish charges in the Ring, otherwise Ainz would have done it, considering the info on its power was injected into his mind

      but the fact he's able to steal/interact with a power completely foreign to YGGDRASIL, aka the Talents, opens up a lot of paths

        Loading editor
    • I have plans for wish upon a star in my other story

      Id be interested in seing that as well, its such cool and powerful spell we never see. Id also really like to see ainz use dark wisdom atleast once. Im extremely curious as to how it works and more if the effects have changed since arriving in new world.

      I could see causality manip coming up, though its unlikely.

      Series I like? thats tough for me...I enjoy overlord of course, and I deeply enjoy prototype, though that has more to do with potential rather then what it is. I enjoy the hulk comics. I enjoyed steven universe despite it's many glaring issues. I usually write around one series I enjoy and another setting that seems interesting.

        Loading editor
    • imagine how OP that would be, he just wishes for unlimited charges in his ring

      I would immediately look for ways to make a wish that would ensure more wishes. If wishing for unlimited free charges in the ring wouldn't work, how about it recharges every so often? How about wishing for a structure that generates EXP at a solid rate to use when he eventually has to use his own to make the wish? So many possibilities

      you could utilize Isekai Quartet, have him go to Konosuba or Saga of Tanya the Evil. Although i feel Tanya could work in the reverse too and still be good.

        Loading editor
    • also, apparently illusion magic in Overlord can get to the "tricking the world itself" level, which was interesting to read

      “Ahh, yes. For example, there are spells like 「Perfect Illusion」 which can defy all five senses. And beyond that, there are those who have refined their illusions to the utmost limit, who can use a certain skill once every few days to deceive the world itself.”  
       An illusion that could deceive a world was beyond her capacity to imagine. 
       “Ah, how exactly does that worldly illusion work?” 
       “From what I know, it’s a spell that lets you rewrite any aspect of the world, I think. Well, simply put, using an illusion like that could even bring the dead back to life?” 
       “Eh!? You’re talking about an illusion, right?” 
       “Oh yes. An illusion which tricks the world — the ultimate secret of illusions. By deceiving the world itself, an illusion can be made real.”

        Loading editor
    • True doesn't he sort of already have the whole gauntlets that stor exp he gave to mare?

      I could imagine him creating a structure to drain exp actually, we know ress brings people back but it cost exp. We also know ainz can drain stats and even levels to buff himself, thus we know exp can be taken from living beings without killing them. What if ainz created a structure to passively drain experience from people who approached it he could set it up as an alter and have people pray to it. It could then store exp for his eventual use in rituals and exp draining spells.

      He's a little much for the tanya setting overall and while it would be humerous to do....I don't feel confident enough in my knolwedge of the gods in tanya to do it justice. (More importantly the gods abilities aren't exactly the most impressive even in their own verse, they transport and reincarnate tanya but their actual powers aren't well defined enough for me to do anything with)

      Konosuba while fun is just....Eh Its one Ive kept under consideration but I an only imagine ainz killing off their group then I have to deal with aqua coming back over and over to bother ainz. Though Ive had a solid laugh at ainz pissing off eris with his casual use of ressurection magic that doesn't involve her.

        Loading editor
    • crossover with the Overlord WN

        Loading editor
    • Dont know nearly enough about it to do so, though we should totally have a profile for wn ainz :P

        Loading editor
    • meanwhile, in the WN

      Amongst all those descended from the Gods, those who awaken [mezameta] the power of the Gods [kaminoryoku] are called the term God-kin [jinin].
      Presently, there are two God-kin in the Theocracy. One is the Captain of the special military operation’s Black Scripture which Clementine used to belong to and the other is theTheocracy’s Head Priest [kuninoshinkannagadearu]
      There ability was an order of magnitude different, and in the case they are adorned in the arms left behind by the Gods [kamigami no nokoshita bugu], it is said they are individuals that can wreck/destroy [horoboseru] the continent.

        Loading editor
    • clearly, Ainz needs to be a hero in MHA

      what do you think about the Staff bypassing resistances?

      it seems to do so for his racial skills, aka Despair Aura. So then would you say he can bypass death resistance with it?

      What about undead resistance/immunity to death magic?

        Loading editor
    • Ive actually considered that and I think it would be quite funny, Having ainz as momon acting as some knightly hero, biggest issue I see is....Ainz outranks the verse by a absolutely stupid degree, physically only prime all might can outdo ainz and co physically.

      Ainz grasp heart is stupidly better then nearly every quirk we've seen. Overhaul requires physical contact and the girl who can reverse people out of existence, needs time, physical proximity and...Well ainz resist ee and time manipulation... The few good hax either lack range or ainz already resist in some manner.

      Now saying that I do think it has a lot of potential its just not an idea Im ready to start on yet.

        Loading editor
    • he might not even have to disguise himself, his undead nature could be passed off as a quirk

      what's the problem with Ainz outclassing the people in the crossover?

      That's how the entirety of Overlord operates

        Loading editor
    • On one hand I feel that could be a stretch on the other quirks are xmen level of not giving a F about logic.

        Loading editor
    • ngl, i have a soft spot for reaction fics, even if 99% of them are horribly written

      having Nazarick reacting to even just the anime would be a major development for them, seeing how Ainz isn't all knowing. There's no way they would betray him either, even knowing this, it's just not in their character. 

      Not only that, but it would create some good angst. Think about it, Ainz straight monologues to himself about how he's afraid of being abandoned if the NPCs suspect he isn't all-knowing, while the NPCs would realize this whole time they were just causing their amazing lord Ainz stress beyond belief

      this isn't meant to be a suggestion to you btw, just me talking about something i like

        Loading editor
    • Nothing wrong with him outranking the verse in fact thats why Im writing him in foz. Just thinking about the logic I have to work with there, ainz would still be incredibly cautios as he studies the nature of this new world. Ainz will also never run into the situation he did in new world with shalltear being taken control of, which will lead to a slightly different mind set. He won't find traces of players their to egg on his paranioa.

      I understand why some people enjoy reaction fics but they've never gripped me personally, Ive always thought when reading one how Id rather see these characters in new situations rather then retreading the same ground we've already seen.

      While the npcs reactions would be fascinating theirs good odds they wouldn't beleive it, I could very easily see them writing it off as an attempt to deceive them, or demiurge could view it as part of ainz master plan to have the npcs feel closer to him, to make them feel less inadequate. Especially later on in the series.

        Loading editor
    • i can't imagine what Shalltear would do to the various waifus of MHA

        Loading editor
    • HOW....I hadn't thought of that....Oh my god...That...This will be hilarious....

        Loading editor
    • hell, even just basic mind control will let you essentially conquer MHA

      Shinso's is watered down mind control and he's still pretty dangerous

        Loading editor
    • do you think having the Staff would allow his Despair Aura 5 to bypass death resistances? What about immunities?

        Loading editor
    • I doubt it would work on full immunities such as those possessed by the undead or nonliving entities, though I also think it should pierce more mundane resistances to death hax...Its a bit hard to judge

        Loading editor
    • that's the question, cause the Guardians were effected by the effects of Despair Aura 1, all of them

        Loading editor
    • True, and they would have immunitity to such effects, thus the question would they resist ainz aura 5? Hmmmm its a difficult question to answer. On one hand it points to the fact ainz can pierce immunities using the staff...

        Loading editor
    • granted they weren't afflicted with the pure Fear stat iirc, but it still effected them

      and considering Ainz's increase to his death magic/effect effectiveness, it's hard to know

      on one hand it sounds too op

      on the other, the Staff is directly comparable to a World Item

        Loading editor
    • if we were to take Maruyama's tweets at face value, Despair Aura 5 wouldn't even be magic, so magic resistance wouldn't help

        Loading editor
    • Hmm I don't think it would allow him to bypass undead and other nonliving immunities as he needs tgoalid to bypass them. Its the rest where it becomes more unclear to me....

      Id love to hear more about how the heck skills really differ to magic,its clear they do but the exact nature of how beyond the usage of mana befuddles me

        Loading editor
    • finally! Found the tweet

      https://twitter.com/maruyama_kugane/status/1002179239427227648

      Ain's 5th level aura? That's not magic! Immediate death!

      what does this mean maruyama?

      Reveal to me your secrets!

        Loading editor
    • i'd like to know what the use of Silent magic was when you didn't need to say the spells

        Loading editor
    • It sounds a bit humerous but it seems to imply resisting ainz death magic doesn't give resistance to his skills...Why does he say so much and yet so little!!!!

      No idea, maybe it removes casting times? Except as far as we've seen overlord doesn't have much of anything when it comes to casting times..

        Loading editor
    • The pen or the sword wrote:
      It sounds a bit humerous but it seems to imply resisting ainz death magic doesn't give resistance to his skills...Why does he say so much and yet so little!!!!

      It's what you want in your Overlord!

      eye twitch

        Loading editor
    • so is there enough info on the difference of skills and magic that if, for example, a vsthread comes up where the opponent only resisted magic death, would they die from Despair Aura?

      or do we just put them under the same category

        Loading editor
    • also too bad there are no showings of good mind resist, considering Ainz's mind resist will always scale above anyone who just has resistances, since Immunity > Resistance

      if we wanted to take the quote about WCIs having the power of a world seriously, Ainz would get planetary mind resist ovo

        Loading editor
    • I think their could be a definite argument their, though it wouldn't be the most solid as we can't clearly define the difference between skills and spells (Beyond the not requiring mana aspect). If someone resist death manip in general and ainz has his staff I feel we have very solid ground to claim ainz can pierce that defense.

      We can dream...We can dream. honestly if even one of the hax ainz resisted with the world class item reached planetary range we could probably make a solid argument that all his resistances reach planetary scale.

        Loading editor
    • we know Ahura Mazda is a World wide AOE damage thing to evil beings, but that's it

      oh, and that one of the dev contacting WCIs sealed a world

        Loading editor
    • Those are good actually and could be supporting evidence in the future for planetary resistance.... We already have a country wide soul hax feat that ainz resists so that helps...

        Loading editor
    • i don't ainz ever resisted the soul rip

        Loading editor
    • Considering cure never attempts it against him and his soul breaker breath (Which he seems to deem as far more powerful hax) does nothing Im pretty sure its safe to assume it can't effect ainz. Then again its hard to judge...Ugh why can't the author just write in some good concrete feats for resistances?

        Loading editor
    • Cure also doesn't use it when surrounded by demons, so either it was a one time thing, or it has a longer casting time

      Then again, WCIs null Wild Magic anyway, so it should still work

        Loading editor
    • Fair still feel pretty confident that ainz resist it due to his world item. Atleast thats what I'll argue in threads :P

        Loading editor
    • That's a pretty hefty resistance, 5.4+ mil soul rip resistance

        Loading editor
    • It should honestly be higher, sincd the 5.4 mil was just the one country

      Even lowballing and putting the population a little below half, say 2 mil, for the other countries, thats still 9 mil

        Loading editor
    • Never mind it was 5 mil forget the .4 iirc

      Either way, lets low ball even further with that. 1 mil for the other 2 countries, still 7 mil soul rip

        Loading editor
    • Yeah ainz soul resistance should be very solid at this point, (Unfortunatly shao kahn still outranks his defense)

        Loading editor
    • Tbf, mind hax is the most important resistance you need on this site, so I'd rather that then soul hax

      Not many go beyond a city or something for soul stuff in this tier range

        Loading editor
    • Hey ainz always punches outside his tier range! He gets resistance to powernull and he stomps discord.

      True mind hax are an absolute melon to deal with, we know ainz won't be effected by mind hax in verse thus we simply need a some solid feats from other spells.

        Loading editor
    • Ain't that the problem though?

      The relevant characters all resist it, so what's the point of having it in the story unless used by them?

      And I dont feel any Nazarick person is built for large scale mind stuff, so even then its unlikely to be used by either side

        Loading editor
    • Yeah not really their style, the slaine theocracy won't bother with anything other then downfall, the empire and kingdom are supremely lacking and the author doesn't seem to be planning to use the dragon lords which is our next best bet for feats.

      Actually ainz does resist petrification on his profile, why wasn't that brought up in the discord vs ainz thread?

        Loading editor
    • Even with the Dragon Lords, they seem like they would provide AP feats instead of hax ones

        Loading editor
    • Fair but we got ee/soul resistance from cure, let a man dream! :P

        Loading editor
    • After Maruyama said "It doesn't matter if you dont understand!" I dont expect a lot in terms of solid explanations

        Loading editor
    • If we counted the Shalltear bad end story as canon we would have a semi solid AP feat from the explosion, but of course things never work out

        Loading editor
    • It is rather dissapointing... Alas we suffer on!

        Loading editor
    • Because while Shalltear got fucked up, her best items were literally undamaged

        Loading editor
    • At the very least his ultimate attack shouldn't be too different in LN

      Plus, I'd wager that one of the only reasons Shalltear got so fucked up was due to the fire damage, which bypassed her resistance

      That and of course the fact they have lower Dura without armor, but we all know undead and fire dont mix well regardless

        Loading editor
    • kinda wish more staff were familiar with Overlord

        Loading editor
    • As do I at times, so far we have dragoo....and noone else, which is rather unfortunate. I do agree the final attack shouldn't be to different now if only we were allowed to use it though it doesn't help that shalltears defense and thus dura wasn't up to snuff without her armor. (And fire as you mentioned)

        Loading editor
    • her best items weren't damaged, which would include her lance, which is Divine Class

      So Divine class would be too durable for this explosion. All the Guardians should be well capable of harming Players in Divine Class gear. That's not even a stretch, it's just fact

      So then all the top tiers would scale

      also, does being at the heart of an explosion yield more?

        Loading editor
    • If your at the heart means you dont have to account for distance which yields far higher results, pretty sure we also don't really need to calc the whole surface area thing if someone is directly at the center of a blast but I could be misremebering.

        Loading editor
    • i only ask cause Ainz was at the heart of Nuclear Blast

        Loading editor
    • Then he would have tanked the full force of the explosion which would probably be rather good for him as he states the spell is rather weak, and it's not even tenth teir magic.

        Loading editor
    • even though Ainz didn't take damage from it due to a spell he cast, there is no way anyone could argue he would be oneshot by it, especially since it's 9th Tier and a weak one at that, so that could be useful

      also he was at the heart of Fallen Down, so yknow, that would help

        Loading editor
    • Unleashing the fury of that 9th tier spell meant that the surrounding buildings had all been swept away, and there was much more space all of a sudden.

      That could not be helped. After all, this city had outlived its usefulness.

      He could have widened the spell to try and catch CZ in the blast. However, Ainz was worried about the problems that might result from destroying too much of the city, so he had not done so.

      If a massive downgrade were to happen, by description alone this seems like an 8-B feat, with maybe being 8-A by virtue of Ainz saying he didn't want to "destroy too much of the city". Also the buildings being "Swept away" sounds like V Frag, though I have no idea how that stuff works so i could be horrendously wrong

        Loading editor
    • Fair Im not particularly worried about downgrades, partially due to how little it would effect ainz but also we should get some good feats from the holy kingdom arc and meteor fall.  As for calcing that...Its not feasible without an idea of how many buildings were swept away and in what manner. Still with that description it would likely make solid support for 8 b along with scaling massively above the pleiedes.

        Loading editor
    • he was in a city square, so he was literally surrounded by buildings, so 4 minimum

      we could even find some city squares to get a rough estimate of how many buildings

        Loading editor
    • can't wait for someone to try to argue the Pleiades should scale to these doppel Pleiades who were buffed like before

        Loading editor
    • to get an idea how much they were buffed

      Ainz nullifies attacks below level 60

      CZ is lvl 46, and yet the doppel was able to hit Ainz with her bullets

        Loading editor
    • Yeah and the doppel pleides started off a lower level to their real counter parts. Them being able to damage ainz is far more of a feat for aureole then anything else. Honestly aureole may be one of the most dangerous npcs when working in tandem with another, imagine what buffed shalltear would be like.

        Loading editor
    • buffed Gargantua stronk rock boi

        Loading editor
    • Buffed rubedo strongest girl

        Loading editor
    • i really hope Rubedo and her angst won't be artificial drama for Ainz and Nazarick

        Loading editor
    • Severe doubt, seems more likely to be played for comedy to me, I can very easily see ainz moaning in agony over the eccentric over the top angst behavior created by his freinds I doubt it will become a real issue overall. Unless theirs some reason to think it would be more relevant?

        Loading editor
    • Albedo and Nigredo had a conversation about their youngest sister Rubedo. Nigredo warned that Rubedo will one day bring a calamity to the Great Tomb of Nazarick, but Albedo replies that she would never do such a thing. In contrast to Nigredo's feelings about it, Albedo only sees Rubedo as an adorable younger sister who can cause no harm or trouble to Nazarick. However, with her position as an Overseer, Albedo decides to take Nigredo's warning and concerns into consideration despite how she feels toward the NPC

        Loading editor
    • This is like a Chekhov's .50 Cal sniper primed and loaded by Maruyama

        Loading editor
    • True but it wouldn't be the first time he's mentioned something only for it to never come up again (who ever the f ninya's master is, the dragon lords supposedly not being involved in any planned fights in the future ect) further....I have my doubts about much coming of this, can rubedo actually do anything against nazericks interest? How is she built? What does her coding say and command her to do? What the heck are stats/abilities like, whats her build. We know she's the strongest entity in nazerick but that doesn't tell us much.... And calamity doesn't really tell us much, it could be anything from going rouge, to destorying a floor.

      Or it could be nigredo overacting, she's got some weirdness to her character as well... The three sisters are some of the characters we know the least about as they didn't exist in the web novel. Not saying we won't get some drama from her but the authors got a bit of a history of teasing things (Dragon emperor) and not utilizing them. Honestly my thoughts on this are its interesting but the author loves to give us a bunch of usless information at times and at other times be entirely bereft of detail...

        Loading editor
    • Do you know if Cure ever tried to use Undead Domination on Ainz?

        Loading editor
    • I don't think so?  Sorta doubt it would work considering cure didn't attempt it, ainz was nervous about it facing cure but we can't really take ainz nervousness as a sign of anything considering he's overly paranoid. Further his world class item probably protects him from such effects.

        Loading editor
    • Asking cause if he did and it was resisted, since Cure had 1.2 mil undead under his control, Ainz would at least get mind resist scaled to 1.2 mil

      But I doubt Maruyama would throw us a bone like that

        Loading editor
    • We can use the fact cure didn't bother as support but Im really the wrong person to ask on the specifics of the side story, he may have attempted it but I can't be sure. I deeply dislike the side story on the whole and to me it only exist for feats... My apologies.

        Loading editor
    • you have failed me for the last time

        Loading editor
    • I fixed the resistances doe

        Loading editor
    • Man, Ainz resisting Wild Magic was a godsend for his resistances

        Loading editor
    • The one good thing about that side story

        Loading editor
    • He resists most of what he'll ever face here that's relevant

      The only thing he's really missing is just better feats for some of those resistances

        Loading editor
    • True though I do question why his resistance to petrification wasn't brought up in his discord fight...

        Loading editor
    • Tbf, I just stumbled into that resistance while watching the Drama CD, it's very easy to miss

        Loading editor
    • Hell, we've missed a ton of small stuff

      Think about how long Climb's profile was around before i found the thing about the ring making him comparable to a Mithril adventurer

        Loading editor
    • Fair Still do you think i should remake that thread? Or ask to have it removed, discords win con was going for petrification rather then powernull...Petrification is something ainz resist...

        Loading editor
    • It was Transmutation, which Ainz doesn't resist

        Loading editor
    • How does transmutation that turns you to a stone statue differ from petrification? Or is it more it can turn you into anything and it just usually turns people to stone... Fair enough though if thats the case was just a bit perplexed lol

        Loading editor
    • That said however, my last post on that thread was never addressed, and it would have likely made Ainz the winner if they decided Discord snaps

        Loading editor
    • Honestly wish someone would throw ainz against a dragon just so I can bring up the totally featless wci in his chests featless ability against dragons

        Loading editor
    • Imagine if its Existence Erasure specifically against Dragons or some other crazy shit

        Loading editor
    • I remember when True Death was really looked at closely, alongside what resurrection it was negating, and everyone realized "Oh shit, Ainz can deal with Low-Godly"

        Loading editor
    • Oh my god, I hadn't even really thought of that but he totally is, thats hilarous.

        Loading editor
    • that Throne vs Ikki thread is hard to watch

        Loading editor
    • Its suffering why I quit, earl is always difficult to debate when it comes to characters he enjoys...Im just pleased that ainz stomps ikki :P

        Loading editor
    • As well as Shalltear

        Loading editor
    • True feels good, he also got beaten out by alex mercer due to regen :P

        Loading editor
    • i know i shouldn't, but i have developed a dislike for any verse Earl supports

      although if it's just Earl, then who knows, might give them a shot one day. But i've also heard Ikki is a bit of a Gary Stue, so idk

        Loading editor
    • Eh I tried with cavalierly, checked out the first and twelfth episode (Don't ask) but...Its an underdog story (and my thoughts on those are well documented) its classic case of look at this totally determined character overcome everything because he's the main character and thus is special.

      Further there are some classic anime themes like some weird vibes between him and his sister. (Apparently it's weirder in the light novel) Also the crap ikki does via pure skill bothers me deeply, at least in overlord they acknowledge what characters do is magic bull, even martial arts are treated as a warriors magic.

        Loading editor
    • his backstory on his profile makes him sound like a mashup of a bunch of different tragic backstories, cliches and all

      also this:

      Befitting its F-Rank, Ikki has shown to have terrible luck. Most things will happen to unfavor him, more often than not giving him the worst possible outcome, as shown when he had to fight Shizuya Kirihara in the first round of the Selection Battles Arc; the World's Strongest Swordsman, Edelweiss during the attack of Akatsuki Academy; the previous Seven Stars Sword King, Yuudai Moroboshi; and against the former fourth rank, Iris Ascarid who was close to the Top in the World.

      Should I go out on a whim and say he won these fights?

        Loading editor
    • I think he lost to edel, who is consistently superior to him but not by a massive margin, she respects him ect. He learns sword techniques and styles at a glance and instantly can use them better then the people he saw use them.

        Loading editor
    • so not actual bad luck then?

      cause if he won against these top tiers, with his shit tier stats in everything but Physical, i really don't see how his luck is bad

      but sorry, forgive me, i forgot the most important part

      S K I L L

        Loading editor
    • He gets injured often...beyond that? Not really that unlucky to my knowledge.

        Loading editor
    • so rather then "bad luck" it's "situations to make him look more awesome"?

        Loading editor
    • Yeah technically his backstory is pretty unlucky dead mom  His father abused him or something viewing him as a failure just like everyone else and he overcomes this via will and "Skill". He then gets the hot super powerful red head and his blue haired sister has some weird vibes as well.

        Loading editor
    • i remember when i restarted my heart through pure skill

        Loading editor
    • Yeah, I mean its totally a normal skill to have, totally not a power, counts as a skill feat. I guess that bothers me even more then the genericness or the underdog plot (Which I hate) ikkis author insist everything he does is somehow related to skill. I love some overpowered bull characters but none of them claim what they do revolves around skill.

        Loading editor
    • if it was "i'm so skilled at magic or ki i can restart my heart" or something, it would be way easier to accept

        Loading editor
    • Yeah at that point you can just go magic/life energy nonsense and call it, you cant do that when the author insist it's a skill feat....Somehow....

        Loading editor
    • The thing where he moves so your brain doesn't process him is literally just perception manipulation

      Him hitting you and making your brain think it's dead or unconscious is either perception manip also, or just biological manipulation I guess

      But no, its "skill"

        Loading editor
    • See its that argument that annoys the crap out of me, and the way the movement ability is described it should only function on humans as it takes advantage of patterns in human brains to accomplish it's perception manip. Yet earl will insist it works on everything because....Reasons. Further its not skill, its an ability.

      Same with his hitting to induce sleep/unconsciousness, though I suppose it could be status effect inducement? Or perhaps mental manip? Either way it's not skill,

        Loading editor
    • having him do it through skill is fine, but the skill needs to make sense when taking into account the action/feat, if you get me

      like, manipulating his lifeforce/ki in such a precise and skilled way that he can restart his heart, or being able to manipulate others' lifeforce on contact to make their brain think they are dead

        Loading editor
    • Yeah I get what you mean but thats not the explanation its just...skill somehow....Which is what annoys me.

        Loading editor
    • kinda weird to think we just have a 6-C feat on the back burner, waiting to be used if we don't get other feats

        Loading editor
    • Eh Im glad we have it for future support/in case we don't get other good feats. Just kinda wish it wasn't a cloud feat (Dislike them myself...)

        Loading editor
    • same

      but until the wiki yeets them, this feat is perfectly valid. Especially since the manipulation of the clouds is being done by Mare using mana to power a spell

        Loading editor
    • Yeah but it leaves me in a conflicted position, on one hand I want cloud feats to be yeeted, on the other overlords supporting cloud feats... :P

        Loading editor
    • worst case scenario, recalc of Fallen Down, since the fact Maruyama double checks manga illustrations means the crater should be legit

      not sure how one would argue against that

        Loading editor
    • Oshio: How much will you be involved in the anime production?
      Maruyama: I attend the script meetings every week.

      and this could help even more

        Loading editor
    • True the crater clac should be fine to redo (Though maybe we should use the manga as he directly oversees some of the art?)

        Loading editor
    • trying to find anything resembling a clear shot in the manga is actual hell

      i can try but i won't like it

        Loading editor
    • Fair

        Loading editor
    • Shark cyclone
      “[Sharks Cyclone].” 

      A tornado, 100 meters high and 50 meters across appeared before him.

      I think best we're gonna get, but it should be workable, especially with the description of the width

        Loading editor
    • What kind of wind speeds does a tornado need to hold up sharks? :P

      Dont think it would be that impressive, its not that large and beyond holding up sharks it's not overly impressive.

        Loading editor
    • i more meant getting the size of the crater from the description of the tornado's width

      aka pixel scaling

        Loading editor
    • Yeah looking at tornadoes ones far larger only get 8c, I have no knowledge on pixel scaling though so.... Ive failed yet again

        Loading editor
    • i would rather we be able to use the anime, as it's much easier, but at least we have something if we need to exclusively use the manga

        Loading editor
    • Yeah considering the difficulty I think the anime version would/will be better, just trying to look over our options.

        Loading editor
    • and we
      Crater possible height
       can use Ainz's official height to get the depth of the crater, if it's too hard to also get it from the previous pic, by using this page
        Loading editor
    • honestly, i see either 7-C or Low 7-B for this

        Loading editor
    • also, what was Ainz's wincon against Touma?

        Loading editor
    • I think it was him physically beating him to death? Technically the old calc's only problem was it accounted for shalltears armor being destroyed (and assumed it was iron armor) the crater itself is still 7b

        Loading editor
    • but....he can't touch Touma....he'll just die cause he's supernatural

        Loading editor
    • also, people were saying in that thread Ainz would literally just let Touma run up to him

      saying he'll underestimate him because "is human"

      we all know that's bullshit

        Loading editor
    • Ive heard some conflicting reports on that, his ability relies on destroying unnatural phenomenon like magical effects, but undead in overlord are natural beings, that occur without magic or outside intervention so theirs actually reason to doubt image breaker would work.

      Yeah Id be up for that thread being redone, ainz isn't cocky enough to allow a human to rush him....

        Loading editor
    • would Touma negate Ainz's Physical Immunity?

        Loading editor
    • If image breaker works? may...Ye...N..Its a skill which throws a whole other layer of mess on this, image breaker should be potent enough to neg ainz attampts at magic but skills aren't the same, to the point magic resistance may not even effect them.

        Loading editor
    • it's a racial skill as well, in the same category as Piercing Resist, which is literally just a natural part of undead

      Despair Aura 5 is also a racial skill, not just a regular skill

        Loading editor
    • unless they are the same thing, which would just point more toward not being magic

      racial skills and regular skills are different, right?

      have i gone crazy

        Loading editor
    • In your overlord they're the same and different....

      Yes but we're all mad here....

        Loading editor
    • maybe that's what the Resist stat is for...

      for skills and such, since they wouldn't fall under Magic Resist

      unless Resist is magic resist, but then i feel it would have Magic in front of it

        Loading editor
    • Shouldn't we give hamsuke some extra notes in her profile for the magic item that offers mind resistance and her armor? (I know the armors featless but it should still boost her dura all be it to an unknown extent.)

      In addition, magical beasts were not particularly resistant to mind control. Hence, Ainz lent an item to Hamsuke which made her impervious to mind control, but he was still uneasy that someone might try to manipulate her through means other than magic. --volume 10

      Also we really need to add (undeserved title) next to her wise king of the forest title.

        Loading editor
    • bring it up in the discussion thread, seems like a really basic resistance to add and is straightforward

        Loading editor
    • Your usually the one to find small resistances let me have this moment :P

      Im more interested  in if hamsukes dura should have higher with armor? Sure we don't know how much better it makes her dura but it should still be a notable improvement for her. Then again I suppose we really haven't seen enough to say much on the subject...

        Loading editor
    • So I looked over adam taurus from rwby as that's entomas next opponent, her largest advantage is both her versatility and her thunder bird talisman, in rwby elecricity bypasses aura (The thing that gives them their superhuman dura)

        Loading editor
    • isn't he essentially 8-B with amps?

        Loading editor
    • also, unless his duplicates are physical, Entoma being able to sense air displacement will mean she can tell which one is real

      Adam also can't absorb the thunder birds, as they are magic, and he can't absorb magic afaik

        Loading editor
    • He can't absorb electicity its a major weakness of rwby characters, eletricity ignores their dura, his amps work in proportion to the amount of energy he intakes as I understand it, basically he amps off others striking him.

        Loading editor
    • considering Evileye pretty much outclasses Lakyus, at least Entoma has a little bit of a scaling chain to help her AP and dura

      too bad Narberal wasn't allowed, she's at the top of the scaling chain

        Loading editor
    • True so its entoma>Eveileye>>>>>>Lakyus (Since evileye needed her allies help and spammed a spell that targeted her racial weakness....)

        Loading editor
    • not only that, but Entoma didn't really seem effected by Evileye's other spells. Also, the only reason they won was because they were rotating out to use potions, and even then, they almost ran out of all their supply

      so it might be accurate to say Entoma >> Evileye

        Loading editor
    • Yeah its to bad we don't have a better feat to scale them to, the gap between evileye and lakyus is massive but the gap between evileye and entoma isn't exactly miniscule...sigh

        Loading editor
    • well, the High 8-C feat they scale to is downplayed for safety, as the anime shows her hitting more than 5 demons, but we only see about 5 actually disappear due to the camera moving

      this doesn't even take the dog demons into account, just the human sized ones

        Loading editor
    • True Im just thinking about how high above lakyus evileye is, Iirc didn't she fight blue rose and the old granny at the same time? And wasn't there a statment that she only lost due to not wanting to kill them/wanting comrades?

        Loading editor
    • yes, she didn't go all out

      and we can't even be sure if Rigrit is powerful in the AP sense. iirc she's a necromancer, so maybe she could fuck with Evileye with some hax

        Loading editor
    • True, Just thinking about it...ugh high 8c just seems low for her on the whole, even worse for the pleiades.... DAMN YOU OVERLORD AND YOUR LACK OF FEATS!

        Loading editor
    • isn't atomization calced by using mass?

      if someone can find the average mass of larger dogs, that would bump it up a little, since i think like 3 hellhounds were killed too in the anime

        Loading editor
    • Well the bare minumum weight needed to be considered a large dog is 25 kilograms

        Loading editor
    • just remembering for the Adam fight, she'll also summon spiders that will distract Adam for a little bit so she can get some free shots

        Loading editor
    • Honestly her throwing out a bunch of summons and thunderbird talismans early isn't out of character  and if she see's him seize up I don't think she'll let up with the lightning attacks.

        Loading editor
    • yea, she loves to spam her talisman's

      also, the only thing that Adam would be able to get energy from is probably Bullet Bugs

        Loading editor
    • oh yeah, and her giant centipede will also attack Adam and even wrap him up when she isn't using it

        Loading editor
    • I am curios about fly breath and how his aura will interact with them...

        Loading editor
    • all in all, i feel this will be a close fight

        Loading editor
    • True...Looking forward to it.

        Loading editor
    • if this current match progresses, anyway

        Loading editor
    • ngl I love it when I get to explain overlord character resist movment restrictment of all things :P

      Yeah Ill look over the characters and see what I think of that match since it seems stuck

        Loading editor
    • obscure resistances ftw

        Loading editor
    • honestly, if i was to choose the AP for the Pleiades and those around that level, I would say they would be either 8-B or 8-A. They just haven't done a lot to warrant higher APs, and it doesn't seem like they would be much higher

      with top tiers, i'd say somewhere in tier 7

        Loading editor
    • True I feel the top tier cast may make it to tier 6 but it's gonna be a close call for them. (Thinking 7a is more likely). Leaning towards 8 b as well for the pleiades , but its hard to judge all we really have is evileye being massively above lakyus.

      Question where'd you find the energy neccesarry to atomize a human?

        Loading editor
    •   Loading editor
    • Ugh I cant find the formula online nor a calculator for the equation... Ill ask ddm about the eqaution.

        Loading editor
    • as for the Meteor Fall feat

      man idk, i'm skeptical, i have a feeling the wall will be super small, or the opening the meteor makes will be small

      i'm just assuming every potential good feat is going to be disappointing

      hasn't failed me yet

        Loading editor
    • Nah it will cut away as all the charcters stare up in terror!

      I don't know overlords problems isn't delivering on good feats, its not having many good feats to begin with, fights are usually an array of hax with little destruction thats actually calculable.

        Loading editor
    • that actually seems like the less likely thing to happen

      the LN goes into detail explaining the opening of the wall by the meteor, as well as Demi going to the wrecked wall guards to toy with them

      that would be a lot to cut

      it also talks about smoke, so who knows, maybe it'll be enough for vaporization

        Loading editor
    • Im still baffled on how their going to cover the volumes in the next season, there's ton to cover and I don't really know what they'll end up cutting.

        Loading editor
    • yep

      cause we know they won't actually take their time with it

      gotta somehow fit it all into 12 episodes, instead of, oh idk

      spreading it out more

        Loading editor
    • Yeah the anime is decent (Do enjoy the animation...except the goats....) and it is how I discovered the light novels but they skip out on to much in my opinion. The amount of world buidling they've cut especially bugs me as I feel thats one of the authors strong suits.

      Ngl though I do enjoy explaining things to anime only watchers...

        Loading editor
    • wait

      season 3 ends with volume 9

      usually they do 3 volumes in a season

      but season 4 would then be 10, 11, 12

      but 12 and 13 are supposed to go together

      they might not have a choice but to split them up

        Loading editor
    • Yeah thats whats thrown me through a loop as well, are they going to take more time with ten and eleven? (My hope) Or are they going to split 12 and 13? (Weird choice if so) Or do they plan to squeeze all four into a one season (Doubt it as there should be to much to realistically cover)

        Loading editor
    • redo the entire anime, each volume gets a season

      hell, even just 2 volumes a season would be a vast improvement

        Loading editor
    • Dark blade dog
      i've circled 5 dogs who were hit

      i would definitely say they are large dogs too, since they seem to go up to at least the hip of the human sized demons

        Loading editor
    • Ugh looking at the math makes my head ache for this one. Dogs luckily have a similar composition to humans when it comes to things like water content (80 precent) but the numbers make my head spin.....

        Loading editor
    • yea i had it easy, only had to take the stated value of 2.99 gigajoules for humans and multiply by 5

        Loading editor
    • also, if you are going to do this, what's the procedure?

      would you just upload a blog with my blog linked and add the 2 final values?

        Loading editor
    • Ugh not sure Im skilled enough to do it (First time I regret doing poorly in math) I suppose if I do manage over the next day or two Ill just post the relevant info in a comment on your blog, you can add the new value to the bottom and we can request dmua to take another look.

        Loading editor
    • can't you also request a calc member to do it?

      the math for the dog, i mean

        Loading editor
    • Yeah thats probably the far better idea then me trying to figure this nonsense out.

        Loading editor
    • that moment when you end up buffing a character before a thread

      i'd imagine the 5 dogs being added in would put it near the middle of High 8-C. or maybe i'm overestimating how much it will yield

        Loading editor
    • we just gotta hope that if any mid tier does a feat, it isn't Narberal or Lupus

      their levels are too high, and it wouldn't make sense for it to scale to people like CZ and Entoma

      either that, or it would just be some downscaling

        Loading editor
    • next match is Entoma's right?

        Loading editor
    • After this yes, I feel semi confident in her chances, tauras amps proportionally to damge he takes and his weakness to electricity goes poorly against entomas thunder bird talismans and summons. Still it should be a close match.

      Shouldn't entoma have flight with that insect she used to carry her off at the end of the fight?

      Out of nowhere and insect appeared which attached itself to the insect maid's back. Leaving behind a few "Yeeh Yeeh" Sounds she flew into the night --volume 6 (Don't know what the "Yeeh Yeeh" thing is...Might be a bad translation....

        Loading editor
    • We also need to add entomas match now that grace is over

        Loading editor
    • also, you might be able to sneak in the dog atomization before the match, get her a quick AP buff

        Loading editor
    • I totally forgot to ask about that F, Ill thow it on the calc request board but it might be to late to really help

        Loading editor
    • you gotta believe

        Loading editor
    • Renamon too stronk

        Loading editor
    • Yeah the more I hear the more she seems...Out of place in the tournment, I don't even know if narberal could beat her if her power mimicry is that good.

        Loading editor
    • I was really rooting for kat, as entoma resist grav manip...

        Loading editor
    • even if Entoma wins against Adam, i don't see her winning against Renamon and her crazy strong power mimicry

        Loading editor
    • Yeah Agreed, I think she stood a shot against kat due to her grav resistance and versatility but ren's power mimicry seems to much (Though the main person arguing ren is voting incon so it could be up to a coin flip)

        Loading editor
    • honestly, if Entoma wins against Adam, that's more than i would have thought she would have done

      i'd be proud if she got to the final match

      honestly, one of the best things of her kit is the fact that thunderbirds make muscles contract

        Loading editor
    •   Loading editor
    • yeah, not a lot of people resist having their muscles contract

        Loading editor
    • Allright good news dogs aren't that different to humans when it comes to their elemental makeup so we can take the 25 kg weight and divide it into the precentages of elements that make them up.

        Loading editor
    • bet you never thought you'd know how much energy is needed to atomize a dog

        Loading editor
    • Im surely on a watchlist at this point,

        Loading editor
    • probably won't be a big increase, but every little bit helps to be as accurate as we can

        Loading editor
    • So carbon content is 18.5% which comes out to 4.625 kg

      oxygen content is 65%= 16.25 kg

      Hydrogen content10%= 2.375 kg

      Nitrogen content4 3%= .75 kg

      and there should be a bit more but human calcs just list it as other so... yeah. Well we get this value and get multiply it by five when we're done. Its a bit of a low end though as the weight Im using is the bare minimum to be considered a large dog, and those dogs are up to the hips of creatures larger then humans..

        Loading editor
    • would i just need to send a message on DMUA's wall when i edit it?

        Loading editor
    • Yes ask him to take another look  when we update the clac, ugh this makes my head ache, I hate math...

      we could alway use the fact three of these dogs would equal up to slightly above another 70 kg human

        Loading editor
    • wait

      how do incons work in a tournament

        Loading editor
    • He said he'd do a coin flip on the hub page,

        Loading editor
    • how's the math going?

      are the numbers getting to you, Mason

      a good little joke i've found before is

      Mental

      Abuse

      To

      Humans

        Loading editor
    • Making progress slow painful progress...

        Loading editor
    • Asked muchacho for help and he did this

      Carbon:

      • Density = 2.26 cm/3
      • Molar Mass = 12.011 g/mol
      • Enthalpy of atomisation = 717 kJ/mol

      Divide the enthalpy of atomisation by the molar mass and multiply the answer by it's density.

      717 / 12.011 * 2.26 = 134.91133128 j/cc

      Using volume = mass / density

      4625 / 2.26 = 2046.46017699 

      2046.46017699 times 134.91133128 = 276090.666889 joules

        Loading editor
    • so halfway there?

        Loading editor
    • Muchacho corrected my calc and showed me a more efficient way to do it, I had the wrong enthralpy value plugged in.

      You want to know how much joules it takes to atomize 16.25 kg of oxygen?

      16250 times 15.5630836156 = 252900.108754 joules

      Following the volume step and you get the same value:

      249 / 15.9994 times  0.001429 = 0.02223964648 j/cc

      16250  / 0.001429 = 11371588.5234

      11371588.5234 times 0.02223964648 = 252900.108676 joules

        Loading editor
    • a good fun fact to share with the family during Christmas

      now it's just Nitrogen and Hydrogen left, right?

        Loading editor
    • Nitrogen

      Density 0.001251

      molar mass 28.014 g/mol

      Enthralpy 473 kJ mol

      473/28.014= 16.8844149354 j/cc

      750*16.8844149354= 12663.3112015 joules

        Loading editor
    • Hydrogen

      Density 0.000082

      Molar mass 1.008 g/mol

      enthralpy 218 kJ mol

      218/1.008=216.26984127

      216.26984127*2375= 513640.873016 joules

      Honestly Not feeling that confident in these last two but Im done, my brain is fried.

        Loading editor
    • do you want me to copy and paste these to Muchacho to double check?

        Loading editor
    • Probably should I just feel awful bothering him due to my incompetence, if only math were a skill of mine. Apologies for not being of greater help, im off for the night.

        Loading editor
    • aight, thanks for the help, i really appreciate it

        Loading editor
    • Someones asking questions on your lakyus calc, could get a higher rating if they're right.

        Loading editor
    • why don't we get notifs from blogs

      why fandom

        Loading editor
    • ...Because we are here...Just to suffer.

        Loading editor
    • The adam threads going pretty well :P Mind throwing in a vote?

        Loading editor
    • watch Weekly come in and everything changes

        Loading editor
    • Probably, I don't really see how though, they both scale highly above high 8 c, and evileye has a similar feat to adams feat of fighting those two rwby characters, her fighting ridgit and the entirety of blue rose at once. Entoma has an insect swarm that adam lacks the means to get rid of, and electricity will screw him over.

        Loading editor
    • especially if the 5 gigajoule value is used as thats going to be nice buff... (Far more then the dogs)

      It would place lakyus attack at 6.046845 tons of tnt

        Loading editor
    • it would almost double the value

        Loading editor
    • We really need to know if that calc is accurate if it is I can comfotrably argue against adam oneshotting with his amps as she will be to close to the top of high 8c without amps while adam with amps just reaches the top and he's never oneshot someone as strong as he is with amps

        Loading editor
    • i asked Bambu and you asked DMUA iirc, so now we can only wait

        Loading editor
    • Life is pain

        Loading editor
    • fairly certain DMUA ain't gonna comment tonight, which is an oof

        Loading editor
    • He seems fine with using the other atomization value, I don't really see the issue :P

        Loading editor
    • but the guy just looked at another science article to get density of a person, then did the atomization value multiplied to it, no narutoforum stuff involved afaik, so i don't know what DMUA's talking about in regards to that

        Loading editor
    • posted it in the calc eval thread to hopefully get some attention

        Loading editor
    • I can explain actually he was referring to this (Scroll down to destruction values) chart taken from the naruto forums page thats linked in the page. It list the energy neccesarry to atomize a human per cubic centimeter from their he converted 70 kg to cubic centimeter and from their its simple multiplication.

        Loading editor
    • welp, it's in the calc eval thread, and i've edited the blog to include this new potential value, so now it's just waiting

        Loading editor
    • Looks like she'll be knocked out of the tournment but with her new ap I can safly argue adam can't oneshot and without that...well....It becomes a matter of who can beat the other down first and etnomas got a lot working against his stamina.

        Loading editor
    • now that you've explained what he means, considering he said the Narutoforum value is good, then i guess the new value can be accepted

      though i would still like input, which is why i put it in the calc eval thread

        Loading editor
    • Im thinking about makeing a hamsuke match against Yatsuhashi Daichi from rwby but Im unsure if it's a good idea, your thoughts?

        Loading editor
    • i don't need to debate weekly more than i absolutely need to 

        Loading editor
    • Fair I just thought it would be funny as hamsuke has resistance to his semblance

        Loading editor
    • it is pretty nice mind resistance in Overlord covers so many different haxes

        Loading editor
    • Yeah lol, ainz has that exact mental effect in a spell... (Though far more potent as he can permanently delete even important memories...Though he does run a higher risk of turning people into vegetables...)

        Loading editor
    • even works on CZ, which means Automatons have a mind/consciousness, which is an interesting little discovery

        Loading editor
    • Yeah Ive been thinking about that for a while, gives overlords mind hax a bit of an edge.(now if only we had a really good potency feat!)

        Loading editor
    • i hesitate to say it's a potency thing imo

      usually, machines are relatively immune to mind hax due to not having what we would usually say is a mind/consciousness

      however, it seems Automatons do have one, which is why she doesn't have Resistance to Mind Manip by virtue of being a machine, it's because she has no feats or statements to suggest otherwise

      Not only that, but even if CZ did have a resistance, she would no doubt turn it off when Ainz asks her to

      Ainz can already turn off racial stuff, no reason to think it can't be done in other ways, or just resistance doesn't matter if you consent. Hell, that's already shown with WCIs, which allow you to consent to have them used on you even if you have one

        Loading editor
    • Im not saying its a potency feat just that using this we can argue being a robot/automaton doesn't instantly give resistance to overlord mind hax which is pretty decent.

        Loading editor
    • i mean, it could though

      since it seems like consenting means no resistance matters anyway

        Loading editor
    • It could or it could not, can be argued both ways and we have no confirmation either way so...Its a perfectly valid argument :P

        Loading editor
    • we know people with WCIs can allow themselves to affected by other WCIs, i just think it probably extends to other stuff too

        Loading editor
    • I get what you mean being able to turn off passives and resistances does complicate the issue, but without some firm confrimation either way...The question is did she deactivate her resistance to mind manip to allow ainz to use his magic on her? Or did she have none in the first place? If the answer is two we can argue ainz can effect automotons but if the answer is one it doesn't really mean anything.

        Loading editor
    • it doesn't even have to be deactivating resistance, could just be a consent thing like i said

      like for example, if someone tried to mind control CZ she would resist

      but then if Ainz asked her to let herself be mind controlled cause he wanted to test something, her consenting would mean the resistance wouldn't matter

      it would still be there incase someone else tried something, but it wouldn't apply to Ainz due to consent

        Loading editor
    • Yeah I get what you mean, it leaves us in an odd spot, to be sure we'd need confirmation on wether automatons are naturally resistant to mind altering effects. We can't use cz's being effected to say anything cause she allowed it. AT times like this wish we were A allowed to aske the author and B he'd actually respond with an answer that makes sense...

        Loading editor
    • to be honest we don't even need that so much as confirmation the consent thing about WCIs applies to other effects as well

      although having more info the Pleiades's resistances and abilities would still be nice

        Loading editor
    • That would be indicative as well but it wouldn't really rule out the possiblity that androids in overlord simply don't resist mental effects. Thats the real question here, how does overlord treat automatons

        Loading editor
    • doesn't help that Maruyama had the perfect chance to talk about CZ's resistances, but only mentioned Poison

      which either means he just didn't want to delve into it too much because plot was moving

      or CZ doesn't have many resistances

        Loading editor
    • wait, wouldn't Shalltear's match with Ikki be even more of a stomp, since i doubt Ikki would have a magic sword, since the author seems hell bent on making sure nothing Ikki does is by magic

        Loading editor
    • His sword is his souls apparantly? So I think it'd count as magical.

        Loading editor
    • Hmm think we should seperate out shalltears ablities and resistances into seperate tabber?

        Loading editor
    • sure i guess, she has enough resistances and haxes to kinda warrant it

        Loading editor
    • so for the pure CQC Guardians like Cocytus and Sebas, what hax or abilities do you think would most benefit them?

        Loading editor
    • Hmm their world class items already help them against some more potent/dangerous hax, I think some resistance like shalltears to mundane weapons could be good as it means against enemies lacking magic like abilities they'll be even tougher. Beyond that....resistance to power null is something the whole cast would benefit from.

      What I think the melee gardians really need is showings on how they deal with teleporting/range enemies, I have severe doubts they're totally defenseless against high range units but we need to know how they dealt with them so we can use it in matches. I've long suspected cocytus had access to magical item for flight and I have some suspicions that sebas true form may have wings.

        Loading editor
    • honestly, it might help if Sebas himself also got his own power null, maybe using his own Ki to lock the opponent out of magic for a short time

      also, i'm pretty sure each Guardian has a resistance to non-magical projectiles, so that's something

        Loading editor
    • The Republic was very strong. 
      To be precise, the danger lay with one of the councillors of the Republic, the Platinum Dragon Lord, child of the Dragon Emperor. If they did battle with him,  the mightiest of the Dragon Lords, they ran the risk of their country being reduced to scorched earth.

      watch this be another over time thing

        Loading editor
    • who knows, country level Overlord could one day come

        Loading editor
    • it's not unreasonable to assume when Gazef says Razor Edge can cut through metal like paper, he might also mean Adamantite, right?

        Loading editor
    • It makes sense and the whole enchantment seems to be based around negating defenses, gazef had no idea it would peirce ainz magical defenses it just did. I think it's fair to assume the enchantment allows it to cleave through adamantite.

        Loading editor
    • alright then, so that means with Razor Edge he should be able to cut through Adamantite like paper, which is 8-C

      so that's a nice AP thing for him

        Loading editor
    • sorry, just want a little more input about Razor Edge in the discussion thread, can you offer your thoughts?

        Loading editor
    •  Durability Negation with Razor Edge (Slices through virtually anything like paper, and byasses Ainz's immunity to damage taken from lower-tier weapons.

      Razor Edge ignores durability up to Ainz's level

      So, we're changing Dura Neg to Power Null, deleting the bolded part of the explanation, and deleting that second line about ignoring dura up to Ainz's level?

      These are the changes we're thinking of with Razor Edge, sound good?

        Loading editor
    • Seems fine to me overall, though will we treat it as negging magical defenses? What about magical fields? (Wondering for future matches :P) Should be interesting none the less.

        Loading editor
    • Weren't we going to update the Pleiades with class ten lifting strength?

        Loading editor
    • pretty sure we treat those immunities and resistances as forcefields, so i would say yes to fields

      and i asked Bambu about if multiple layers of chains would push it to Class 25, but he replied with

      Probably not, considering those aren't normal chains by any means and a few other factors come into play as well. I don't know the specifics of whatever feat you're talking about though. 

      So i'm not sure if the video Ugarik sent me as evidence can even be used since according to Bambu they aren't "normal chains"

        Loading editor
    • Maybe link bambu your discussion with ugraik? Or ask dmua to get a third opinion on what you should do? Otherwise not really sure....

        Loading editor
    • We need to add a second image to entomas profile, one with her mask off...

        Loading editor
    • https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:3821302

      looks like i got the go ahead for Class 25

        Loading editor
    • Nice

        Loading editor
    • Class 25 (Was going to break mutiple layers of thick chains wrapped around her)

      how does this look?

      and then obviously the other Pleiades and Evileye will just get "comparable to CZ"

        Loading editor
    • Looks good to me overall

        Loading editor
    • would Evileye also scale?

      or just the other Pleiades?

        Loading editor
    • Hmmm...Its tough, evileye is very similar in level to the Pleiades but she's shown to be weaker then them (In part due to equipment) but  she's also not a perfect build, she no doubt has useless or non combat orientated classes that wouldn't overly contribute to her strength....Maybe we give her a possibly class 25? It'd be far easier if she'd been hit by the webbing and torn out of it but we didn't get that... Then again she is hetomorph so her strength gains shouldn't be that terrible...

        Loading editor
    • Possibly' 'Class 25 (Although weaker than the Pleiades, she should likely be comparable to CZ2128 Delta)

      this good for Evileye?

        Loading editor
    • or would Likely be better instead of Possibly?

        Loading editor
    • Lets go with likely, Even if she's not quite class twenty five she shouldn't be that far off them

        Loading editor
    • alright, that's done

        Loading editor
    • is Entoma the best of the Pleiades for vsthreads?

      she seems to be used a good amount lately

      probably cause of her versatility tbh

        Loading editor
    • Shes the one we've seen the most of ability wise, while we have narberal on screen for longer we've never seen her pushed, even against kahjit the fight was over the instant she stopped holding back (plus in character mind hax are pretty big no sale in her tier). None of the other Pleiades really have anything going for them feat wise, we don't know what abilities they have nor how they'll use them.

      Mind giving your vote on the spider man vs entoma thread?

        Loading editor
    • Apeironaxim wrote:
      The Republic was very strong. 
      To be precise, the danger lay with one of the councillors of the Republic, the Platinum Dragon Lord, child of the Dragon Emperor. If they did battle with him,  the mightiest of the Dragon Lords, they ran the risk of their country being reduced to scorched earth.

      what do you think of this btw?

      even if it's over time, this should at least be like city level, assuming it's relatively quick, like maybe a year or so idk

        Loading editor
    • unless Overlord just goes straight country level

        Loading editor
    • It's some nice backing for their current rating but it's not enough for us to really do much with on its own unfortunatly.

      In your overlord he already is country level

        Loading editor
    • i like how ikki bashing is everywhere

      even in MCU threads

        Loading editor
    • The pen or the sword wrote:
      It's some nice backing for their current rating but it's not enough for us to really do much with on its own unfortunatly.

      In your overlord he already is country level </div>

      iirc one of the weaker Dragons was stated to have battled another and destroyed a city

      i feel like the dragons will be the ones who increase the AP, with these kind of statements coming up

      assuming they even do anything in the story

        Loading editor
    • also i wasn't suggesting anything with the country quote, just to be clear

      just wondering what you thought of it

      like, you think it's legit and not exaggerated?

      you think it would be overtime?

        Loading editor
    • I think its good and alongside the island sized dragon and the fight between two dragons that destroyed the cities...We have a lot of supporting statments that both support our current ratings and could lead to higher ratings just not enough solid feats/calcs in general.

        Loading editor
    • Ikki bashing is very common. It's not helped by The author condradicting himself so often. on the same page when describing one of ikki's "Skill" Techniques, he first describes it as dodging with minimal movements then in the next paragraph claiming its not dodging at all that ikki is letting the bullets flow over him. The author has retconned phantom form twice now and it's still vauge as all hell.

        Loading editor
    • isn't it amazing how much easier it would be to accept his feats if it was explained through Ki or Magic

      like, moving in such a way to make yourself non-essential information to the brain by pure "skill" is stupid, even for fiction

      but if he was using Ki or Magic to make it happen, then suddenly it's a lot easier to digest

        Loading editor
    • Well ki and magic fall under "This is an ability that makes no sense and it doesn't really matter if it makes no sense" Ikki's author tries to claim what ikki does has some level of sense, that its simply a matter of being skilled enough rather then acknowledging the fact his abilities/feats are nonsensical the author instead attempts to deny the fact what he does makes no sense.

        Loading editor
    • even with fiction, it needs to make sense, even if it's only in universe

      however, by going out of his way to say nothing supernatural is involved, it makes no sense even by fictional standards

      it would be like me rubbing my hands fast enough to create fire and shoot a fireball, but nothing supernatural is involved

      which is of course, stupid

        Loading editor
    • True I was just treating magic/ki as the illogical part of the equation that explains the impossible. Basically they're the explanations that allow the abilities to make sense. By denying magic and ki the authors left himself claiming everything ikki is a result of trainig and skill with nothing to allow  his abilities make any level of sense. You can't just go oh, it's magic, or oh it's ki. Nope its just something ikki can do because reasons.

        Loading editor
    • like, with training the human body can do amazing things

      like i think i saw this one story about people who could control their body temp or something, so when they went for a jog in the snow with only their underwear, they weren't cold

      however, the human body cannot move in a way to make itself seem like useless background info when someone is specifically focusing on you

        Loading editor
    • assuming something horrible happens and Ainz is stuck at 8-B or 8-A, i'm pretty sure he would dominate most of the tier

      just a hunch

        Loading editor
    • besides the smurfs

      because they're just cheating

        Loading editor
    • Well as Ive always said ainz fights rarly have anything to do with his teir, the only way he's liable to have matches removed is if he gets a massive upgrade teir wise. Same with demiurge, I only feel bad for shalltear and the other less haxed gardians. (Though I feel the reason the other gardians aren't overly haxed is due to us barely knowing anything about them combat wise)

        Loading editor