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  • Soooo Garou wasnt able to take the win but did slip away with a tie.

    But will Boros ?

    Anime Blue Orb Absorbed Pikachu. Meteoric Burst Boros.

    Speed Equalized.

    Starts 20m Away.

    Lord Boros 7

    Pikachu 2

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    • Gruno
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    • Boros doesn't have the same Stupid Hax Garou does so this should be easier, BUT CSRC is still way stronger than Groudon or Pikachu without buffs and amps. With the buffs and amps they could probably either kill Boros before he uses it or be amped enough to survive or counter it.

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    • Even with his regen?

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    • His regen that can be over taxed if uses it repeatedly against attacks on or above his level, as shown with Saitama.

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    • This is a really bad idea, why you have done this.

      Idk how Pikachu's getting passed Regen and IIRC the site doesn't scale Boros to the cannon and people were talking about in the last thread Garou and Pikachu started off rather close at least. If this is all the case, I'm voting Boros personally because I find it unlikely Pikachu is going to even pull off some sort of incap. Boros is also pretty experienced obviously due to being a universe conquerer so that's self-explanatory.

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    • the real advantages boros has is that Regen, flight who will allow him to avoid certain ground type moves better, and the fact that he does BFR people to space in character (by kicking them).

      His main weakness here is that he can be outlasted,as Meteoric burst is tiring to use and if the opponent survives his CSRC he effectively loses.

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    • Boros is casually still multi-continental since he is able to damage his ship. (Around 24 Petatons)

      CSRC is at minimum 183 Petatons.

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    • His regen can be overtaxed and he tries out quickly in this form if the fight goes on for too long. Pikachu and Groudon still have their amps to survive and Counter Boros' attacks.

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    • Also he regenerated from all Saitama's attacks, he was only finnally beaten after running out of energy from using CSRC and thus, not being able to regenerate.

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote:

      That's just coming from the fact Saitama is stupidly above Boros to the point it didn't matter, idk if Pikachu can really reap the same benefits he did against Garou and probably wouldn't be as above Boros as Saitama was. Do Pikachu's amps help his dura as well with this version? I don't recall Pikachu specifically having anything like that so it wouldn't change him getting obliterated by CSRC.

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    • His Thunder Armor amps his Durability to the same extent of the amp to his AP, which is enough to One-Shot something he couldn't even scratch before.

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    • If it's not clear btw, I'm voting Boros.

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    • In order to win, do you have to beat Pikachu+Groudon or just Pikachu?

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    • Epiccheev wrote:
      In order to win, do you have to beat Pikachu+Groudon or just Pikachu?

      If Pikachu summons Groudon, then both

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    • Boros can regenerate from a shot able to blow him apart lol.

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    • Epiccheev wrote:
      In order to win, do you have to beat Pikachu+Groudon or just Pikachu?

      Thats actually an interesting question.

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    • Epiccheev wrote:

      Pretty sure it's both considering Groudon is a summon and would still fight even if Pikachu somehow perished. Neither of them can fly or anything like that though so they aren't going to have any remote mobility compared to Boros.

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    • Once either 1 of them dies the chance of Boros winning is significantly increased.

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote:

      Thunder Armor isn't remotely in character for Pikachu to do unless it somehow got into a corner and this is implying it wouldn't try more consistent strategies that have worked for that just involve more tactical usage of moves (I.e. Electro Ball w/ Iron Tail).

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    • Also, im wondering, would boros be able to focus on one of them at a time since he can fly and stuff?

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    • To be fair they both have dealt with Flying opponents before.

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    • like if he was to take Pikachu to the sky.

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    • Pikachu has dealt with that kind of shit before. Like half of his flying type opponents have tried this to no avail.

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    • Boros isnt just another flying opponent

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    • Also, Groudon and Pikachu still have the AP advantage against Boros by a slight Margin so he isn't gonna One-Shot them. Also, Static is still a thing.

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote:

      I know Pikachu has had its fair share but what about Groudon? Boros is going to be far more experienced than just a random flying type.

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    • Kyogre can fly and Groudon has fought that guy a lot.

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    • Yeah but can either one of them survive what Boros did to saitama when he first went Meteoric Burst?

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    • You mean the Barrage or the Moon Kick?

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    • Either.

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    • Phoenks wrote:

      Legit forgot about that but that's another scenario for Boros to win. If he knocks Pikachu all the way to the moon, Pikachu loses via technical BFR and lack of oxygen.

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    • The Barrage could get countered if Static activates cus he does like to hit his opponent a lot when doing that. The Moon Kick could be trickier, maybe Groudon's Teleportation could get them back from the Moon? BTW, Boros resists none of their Hax abilities.

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    • God damn it! For fucks sake!

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote:

      What's Groudon's range with Teleportation? The distance from the Earth to the Moon is 384,400 kilometers while Groudon's range notes it only has thousands of kilometers with elemental applications specifically. Unless there is a lack of the note Teleportation, there doesn't seem to be any application it remotely has the range event to get back to the planet. Even then, is it self-imposed and/or work on others? Boros doesn't have to send Groudon there as well, it can just send Pikachu there and mess with Groudon.

      Most of the time Kyogre fights, both of them are constricted to the ground/water. Even then, proof Kyogre has the same type of air mobility as say something like a flying type?

      Boros doesn't resist, that's correct, but it's not like they have anything that's really going to effectively subdue them. I'd also like to know when Pikachu and Groudon have both stat amped in a decent amount of the fight situations they were in.

      Still going Boros due to the moon kick, CSRC, Regen, and air mobility playing into good factors for him.

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    • Ah... Thread... Sweet Thread.

      The porn is gone.

      Alright what hax are useful against Boros btw?

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    • All of them, because he has 0 Resistances. Also I said MAYBE Teleportation could work, I never it will.

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    • His hax arent really... useful.. though.

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    • The stat debuffs they can use? Paralysis? BFR, a weird BFR but BFR nonetheless?

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    • Also, i kinda dount he's gonna be able to Moon Kick Groudon.

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    • Are these hax used in character? Also the BFR is probably not happening lol.

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    • Yes, Paralysis can happen just by hitting Pikachu. Stat Amps and Debuffs are more so if they are having trouble with their opponent. I'm gonna be honest, I've never seen Groudon BFR someone, all it says on his profile is Underground BFR.

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    • Interesting, I guess the main question is does Boros kill them before they do anything that might do something? And even if they do do something could they kill him before he does CSRC

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    • Btw these stat amps, how much do they boost their AP/Dura

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    • Well, Thunder Armor is the one I remember the most and it amps you to the point of One-Shotting something you couldn't even Scratch before hand and it amps your Durability to the same extent. It also gives a minor boost in speed. I think someone mentioned they could use Bulk Up as well which increases their Durability if I'm not mistaken.

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote:

      Groudon's BFR comes from Fissure which I don't even think that's going to be useful unless they get Boros on the ground for an extended period of time, which is very unlikely. Paralysis isn't guaranteed and even then, it's only 25% likely to happen which means 3/4 times, it won't happen. Even then, the stunning behind certain actions really isn't even permanent, it's just for very brief periods. I find it unlikely either they're pulling the stat amps before Boros just destroys them. Most of Groudon's stuff is more land-based. Boros would catch onto that quickly if he makes the mistake, Regens, and avoids going close to the ground because of that. It's a less than ideal situation for Groudon and Pikachu because of it.

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    • Also, Pikachu can amp his own speed with Quick Attack and Agility.

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote:

      How do we even treat Pikachu in VS Matches? Do we give it all the moves it has learned even though it's implied it has forgotten them in the Anime? Pikachu's current moves are Electroweb, Iron Tail, Thunderbolt, and Quick Attack is why I ask.

      Also, Quick Attack doesn't really amp speed permanently, it's more a temporary thing if anything and even then, it's not really a quantifiable boost.

      Groudon's the one with the stat boosts, not Pikachu. So if anything Groudon's more of a problem while Pikachu isn't really that much for Boros to be concerned with.

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    • the best they can do here is focus on debuffing from the get go and hope they have enough HP and his special attack has been lowered enough and increase their special defense(light screen would be best, but i doubt that type of strategy is in character for a character who's berserk), so they can eventually survive CSRC(wich they also have no way to know it's coming).

      Boro's regen is way too strong for them to bypass just by attacking him, flight counters ground type moves and he can BFR if a kick lands, he can also use energy attacks in his CQC, in case paralysis becomes too frequent. 

      Honestly, Boros is a far worse matchup for them than Garou, this is a very one-sided match.

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    • Yeah, but this is the Gen where Thunder Armor exists. I guarantee the reason they don't use it anymore is because it made no sense at all but it was really overpowered.

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    • Epiccheev wrote:

      I wouldn't call this one-sided. They could win if the circumstances went right for paralysis + stat buffs and debuffs but it's just more likely for Boros to get a W. But yeah, this is a worse matchup when compared to Garou.

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote:

      Nobody's denying it's a move they can use but it's still not something Pikachu's doing unless it's an absolute last resort. Swellow and Pikachu were getting nailed by Solrock and Lunatone before that strategy was attempted and there was a risk factor behind it. Boros is more likely to just use the cannon or BFR in the time that happens.

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    • If they do use it though, Boros is kinda fucked, wouldn't you agree?

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote:

      Not really unless Groudon actually has stat amps off beforehand, hence why it's incredibly situational and not really practical for the sake of the fight. That's more of a what if and implies Boros just lets the fight go on for that long.

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    • It's a good thing we aren't using Groudon's High End or he would stomp Boros.

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    • So xsoulofcinderx do you change your vote?

      And Epiccheev are you voting yet?

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    • Phoenks wrote:

      And Epiccheev are you voting yet?

      yup, Boros FRA

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    • counted, hopefully this thread goes more smoothly than the Garou fight.

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    • I still Think Groudon and Pikachu will last just long enough to amp themselves and win.

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    • I dont think thats likely, if Boros feels he is going to lose he will just CSRC, which would probably be either an incon or win.

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    • P a r a l y s i s    u p o n   t o u c h

      Also, his BFR is basically useless with an enemy that is actively fighting back and not acting like a punching bag.

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    • not gonna be actively fighting back if they are being bombarded lol. 

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    • Also does regen counter Paralysis?

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    • Phoenks wrote:
      not gonna be actively fighting back if they are being bombarded lol. 

      Speed is equal and pika is not going to stand there to get kicked like Saitama did, that "BFR" will never come out.

      >Also does regen counter Paralysis?

      nope

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    • Dosent matter, if he throws him into the air Pikachu cant really do much.

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    • Tony di bugalu wrote:

      What, Boros's technical one? Pikachu literally is the least of the threat of the two so it's not hard to remotely pull off considering Pikachu can't really do much if it's being flung into the air for that to happen other than use an electric attack. Even then, this implies Boros won't be just doing it so quick in his movements that Pikachu won't really be able to do much, not really enough to considerably phaze Boros at least.

      Though that probably won't be really to happen against Groudon for fairly obvious reasons...

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    • regarding Pikachu's lightning attacks

      Are they only lightning speed? 

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    • Phoenks wrote:

      The speed of them really isn't going to matter in a Speed Equal match unless you're asking generally.

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    • oh right combat speed is equalized too, in that case nvm.

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    • >Even then, this implies Boros won't be just doing it so quick in his movements that Pikachu won't really be able to do much, not really enough to considerably phaze Boros at least.

      speed is equal, him doing a barrage of attacks happen at the same time that Pika is attacking too

      >Dosent matter, if he throws him into the air Pikachu cant really do much.

      Won't happen when he is fighting back, again, he is not saitama to just stand there and let himself get punched left and right.

      >Are they only lightning speed? 

      He can tag legendaries with it AFAIK, so Rel too.

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    • Neither of them can fly or anything like that though so they aren't going to have any remote mobility compared to Boros.

      His Lighning attacks are really the only things he can do.

      Even still I do not think that is enough.

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    • Tony di bugalu wrote:

      Pikachu isn't going to immediately use an attack like that if it gets gutted or anything like that. It'll be able to use attacks, sure, but Pikachu is fine with fighting in the air and that would literally be its downfall. You can use its fight with Latios for reference, it literally got thrown into the air and it tried to match Latios head on rather than avoid something like that. Boros can literally just overwhelm him with energy attacks and pull something like this off. And Pikachu is willing to go in the air to try to tag opponents there, even doing things such as grabbing onto them and trying to use excessive thunderbolts. That's just how Pikachu fights, there is no "Oh it won't happen lol"

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    • I mean, the whole point is that uppon touching Pika once he will get paralysed and from that point on he becomes a punching bag.

      Even then, again, he isn't going to stand there and be like saitama to just let himself be punched.

      >Boros can literally just overwhelm him with energy attacks and pull something like this off

      He literally did this only once and was his Ace, if he does some energy attack that isnt the star thingy then Pika can fight back with a thunderbolt and going by his higher AP he can gain that clash.

      >His Lighning attacks are really the only things he can do.

      Doesn't he has tackle, iron tail, headbutt, double edge, any other normal attack almost any pokemon can do?

      >Even still I do not think that is enough.

      What you think "is or isn't enough" is not a good argument, if he has tagged any legendary with his electric attacks then those attacks scale, simple and easy.

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    • Tony di bugalu wrote:

      "I mean, the whole point is that uppon touching Pika once he will get paralysed and from that point on he becomes a punching bag."

      Right and the paralysis isn't even that reliable nor is it guaranteed. You realize it's a 50/50 whether or not Static gets inflicted on you, then 25/75 in the chances it actually affects you from there, right? If we're going off initial percentages, that means for every eight moves, Boros would just be paralyzed once. That's literally just basic as hell statistics. It's not even represented like that in the Anime though, which depicts it as being far less likely. It takes one kick to send him to moon. Even then, the paralysis isn't remotely that could because it stops him for a few seconds max, not the entire match. You're completely misportraying how Static works. Also, you can literally break through it with enough willpower. Not only does Ash's Monferno do like 5 moves even after being paralyzed and moves around a lot (17:12 - onward), it outright ignores the paralysis with a determination not to lose (18:36). So unless you're telling me Boros is suicidal, he would literally just do the exact same thing.

      "He literally did this only once and was his Ace, if he does some energy attack that isnt the star thingy then Pika can fight back with a thunderbolt and going by his higher AP he can gain that clash."

      Again, you keep acting as if Pikachu can just negate any sort of pain it takes. The literal problem with Pikachu is that its only practical defense would be those electric attacks. And if it has to put out large amounts of them just to stop Boros from approaching, all that does is drain its stamina more significantly and make it harder to fight. You're unironically giving more reasons as to why Boros would be able to win such a fight because Pikachu just tires itself out even faster than what it would normally do against Boros. Not to mention Groudon is especially useless here and can't do much to help Pikachu given it's primarily use land-based abilities.

      "Doesn't he has tackle, iron tail, headbutt, double edge, any other normal attack almost any pokemon can do?"

      From how Pikachu's moves operate, no, it no longer knows such moves. And again, Pikachu would be far more prone to trying to keep a distance between him and Boros with electric moves if anything. Those moves are move CQC for Pikachu which aren't going to be all that helpful if Pikachu can't remotely control its mobility in the air.

      You should also specify who you're replying to as the last response is from a different user and it makes it seem like those were my points.

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    • Boros via High-Mid regen, having ranged attacks, having over 20 years of battle skill, BFR, and SCRC could one-shot.

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    • Wait, boros ap is the same as garou, why is everyone saying that the SCRC would one shot? Also Boros only uses it as his final when he can't do anything else and groudon not only would pritect Pikachu but would also tank the attack as he still has higher ap no matter what. BFR via sending to the moon was more of a coincidental thing and it is because he punched saitama upwards to the moon and saitama was nit holding ground. If Groudon has survived dozens of attacks from kyogre, a pokemon with higher ap attacks, why isn't he on the moon? Flight is also not everything, yes he can bombard them from above but so can groudon and pikachu. Speed is =ized so he is not gonna be boosting his speed crazy numbers anytime soon like grou did. The only way boros can win is if he tries to bombard them from the air which is easily countered, and his two ultimate moves which can be (with very high difficulty) resisted or countered, thus nulling the bfr as the only reason why saitama got blown to space is because he was putting up 0 resistance, testing his opponent.

      So i vote for my boi pika yet again because i dont see how boros could win. Though i may be wrong and i am expecting people to argue (which is the point of this site), there are not many who are arguing for Pikachu rn so imma stand by my point.

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    • SCRC is 183 petatons. Boros has High-Mid, instant regen.

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    • 1.Higher AP does not equal more concussive force or knockback, a swordsman can become high 6-A by cutting a High 6-A character, a energy manip user can become high 6-A by vaporizing stuff, a character can become High 6-A by moving continents. that doesn't mean their slashes and blasts now can send people to the moon. Kyogre would need feats of knocking people that far away with his attacks for Groudon to gain resistance, the same way Saitama doesn't have it on his profile despite being far stronger than Boros physically.

      It being out of character and coincidental can't really be argued when the second thing he did after meteoric burst was kicking him to the moon and we have no other showings to argue outlier, if you ask me, the most coincidental thing was Saitama hitting a moon instead of drifting away in space.

      And even then, the strength difference is Groudon is 1.333..x stronger, it's not like they will be undamaged by his attacks.

      2.Boros has energy attacks outside of CSRC

      3.Boros has high-mid regen who happens instantly, their attacks are just plain not dealing any lasting damage except statistic reduction and status effects. 

      4.Yeah, pikachu can dodge as speed is equal here, but he can also get hit, so can Boros and anyone in any fight ever, it's not like he has precog, skillstomps or is fast enough to assure that never happens

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    • Btw this is a stomp and should be closed.

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    • KGiffoni wrote:

      Again, I would not call this a stomp, it's just more heavily in Boros winning most times something would happen. Groudon with one Scary Face = Immediately dropping Boros' speed by half, can continue to do that to where he's only 1/4 his original speed and make him easy to react to by that point. This is not an argument or me saying they win again, just that this being a stomp would be a massive disservice to the other two being represented.

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    • This isn't a stomp but I feel like alot of the Pikachu side are not taking the arguments on the Boros side into consideration and voting out of Bias. However I will still count their votes since they do have "reasons".

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    • How are they bypassing High-Mid regen that is instant?

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    • Boros FRA

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    • KGiffoni wrote:
      How are they bypassing High-Mid regen that is instant?

      They should have a few win cons with their weird hax and paralysis stuff.

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    • Even if Boros literally turned immobile, how ate they killing him?

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    • I mean if the immobility last long enough couldnt they possibly turn him to a puddle of blood? 

      And with their other hax amp themselves while degrading him to the point where CSRC is the only thing he can do?

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    • Phoenks wrote:
      I mean if the immobility last long enough couldnt they possibly turn him to a puddle of blood? 

      And with their other hax amp themselves while degrading him to the point where CSRC is the only thing he can do?

      I wan to remind everyone Groudon has access to Protect and CSRC has relatively long enough charge time (for relativistic+ characters) for Groudon to realize what Boros is doing and use it.

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    • Phoenks wrote:
      I mean if the immobility last long enough couldnt they possibly turn him to a puddle of blood? 

      And with their other hax amp themselves while degrading him to the point where CSRC is the only thing he can do?

      Let's picture it like this. There's someone on the ground who is roughly as strong as yourself. 

      For you to turn him into a puddle of blood, you'd need several hours. And in order to bypass Boros regen you'd have to do so in seconds.

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    • Dosent boros regen require him to focus all is energy on regen?

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    • Not necessarily, he does it very subconsciously against his fight with Saitama. I think it's more willpower based.

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    • KGiffoni wrote:

      Uhh I don't think that applies here. If Groudon amps up and uses Hyper Beam its gonna puddlify Boros. Whats this several hours "nonsense" you're trying to pull?

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    • What nonsense? It's common logic. Have you tried to turn someone into a pool of blood with punches and similar stuff? It's not very fast. And this guy can regen from being torn into small bits, instantly. 

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    • Can Pikachu breathe in space?

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    • no

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    • I think that's also a no but i'm not sure. 

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    • We're dealing with Pokemon here. beams of energy interact with bodies differently then punches and kicks.

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    • If they produce the same amount of energy it's exactly the same thing. 

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    • It's also worth mentioning that it's on-character for Boros to blow up the Earth, in this scenario he'd win as well. 

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    • Boros used Planet AoE! It’s Super Effective! Pikachu died instantaneously.

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    • is that a vote

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    • Yes. Pikachu and can’t breathe in space no matter how much head-canon crap people produce. Boros takes this mid-diff.

      Also, saying “We’re dealing with Pokemon here” just shows favoritism.

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    • 2 more and Boros will have avenged Garou

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    • AquaWaifu do you want to vote or are you still discussing?

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    • Boros pulls a Frieza, which is in character for him.

      Also, can Pikachu fight just as effectively as he would with a Trainer?

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    • No Boros is not going to pull out CSRC immediately, he used it after he was quickly and repeatedly frustrated by Saitama AFTER he had already fought for a time in Meteoric Burst.



      ALSO Groudon HAS protect!

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    • HM/TM moves are taught by Trainers. In this match, Pikachu doesn’t have one, nor can he learn HM/TMs naturally without the help of a trainer.

      Plus, even if Pikachu had Protect, using it in rapid succession would make it likely to fail the more times that it is used, according to Protect’s attack description entry.

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    • I guarantee Protect will Block CSRC.

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    • Yes, and my 9 year old self was convinced that I could block Brick Break with Protect as well.

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    • When has Protect protected people from attacks 5x stronger than them? What fallacy is this, really?

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    • That doesn't count, Brick Break is supposed to circumvent those moves.

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    • Arceus vs Dialga and Palkia. I'm pretty sure their shields they used to block Arceus' attacks was protect.

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote:
      Arceus vs Dialga and Palkia. I'm pretty sure their shields they used to block Arceus' attacks was protect.

      "I'm pretty sure" isn't really proof....

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    • Quibster wrote:
      HM/TM moves are taught by Trainers. In this match, Pikachu doesn’t have one, nor can he learn HM/TMs naturally without the help of a trainer.

      Plus, even if Pikachu had Protect, using it in rapid succession would make it likely to fail the more times that it is used, according to Protect’s attack description entry.

      In Pokemon matches al Pokemon are assumed to have access to their entire movepool, TM/HM tutoring, egg moves, unless specificed.

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    • XSOULOFCINDERX wrote:
      Arceus vs Dialga and Palkia. I'm pretty sure their shields they used to block Arceus' attacks was protect.

      Palkia and Diagla blocked their attacks not Pikachu or Groudon lmao

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    • That was an example of someone much stronger than someone being blocked by protect.

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    • KGiffoni wrote:
      XSOULOFCINDERX wrote:
      Arceus vs Dialga and Palkia. I'm pretty sure their shields they used to block Arceus' attacks was protect.
      "I'm pretty sure" isn't really proof....

      .

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    • btw wasnt that a weakened Arceus? And Dialga's shield was eventually overpowered

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    • Yeah, he was weakened but he was still ROFL stomping them the whole fight and yeah he eventually overpowered their shields but the fact that it lasted any amount of time suggests Protect's durability is still impressive all the same.

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    • Protect only stops being effective if used consecutively, if Groudon uses another move after it, (likely to do) its just as effective.



      Groudon would very likely be able to successsfully use Prjotect against CSRC

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    • What really indicates that random barrier that Arceus, who has 1001 abilities that allow him to create barriers, is Protect specifically? And what indicates that Groundon can do Protect with that efficiency? I'm sorry but that's a giant fallacy. 

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    • What do you mean effciency?



      He just puts up a barrier towards an attack he doesnt want to take. Unless he used it literally for the previous attak from before CSRC, it'll work, and hell it would even then still have a decent chance of working.

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    • Is this still a discussion on why Boros does not stomp?

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    • AquaWaifu wrote:
      What do you mean effciency?


      He just puts up a barrier towards an attack he doesnt want to take. Unless he used it literally for the previous attak from before CSRC, it'll work, and hell it would even then still have a decent chance of working.

      Efficiency meaning how good something is at doing its purpose, in this case, defend.

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    • Its good enough to protect against stuff that can do severe damage. Like this is Pokemon, its kinda hard to get super detailed "limits" on what Protect can deal with. Usage in the games is mechanicl so thats useless, and anime and manga is....spotty I assume due to plot.

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    • Boros FRA

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    • AquaWaifu wrote:
      Its good enough to protect against stuff that can do severe damage. Like this is Pokemon, its kinda hard to get super detailed "limits" on what Protect can deal with. Usage in the games is mechanicl so thats useless, and anime and manga is....spotty I assume due to plot.

      In this case, we say that Protect is capable of completly nulifying attacks that aren't far superior to the user of Protect. 

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    • uh, 1 more and thats grace for boros btw.

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    • I feel like it should be above "arent far" that would make it kinda of useless.

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    • AquaWaifu wrote:
      I feel like it should be above "arent far" that would make it kinda of useless.

      Ofc not. Blocking anything your opponent may thrown at you? How is that useless? 

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    • I feel like someone who knows the supplementary material more than me should find instances of Protect working against stuff that could oneshot the user or vastly above their power.

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    • Even if they survive will they be able to live on a completely destroyed surface?

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    • Groudon can just make more land, so yes.

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    • Quibster wrote:
      Yes, and my 9 year old self was convinced that I could block Brick Break with Protect as well.

      I don't know what game you were playing, but Protect works on Brick Break.  https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Protect_(move)

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    • >I don't know what game you were playing, but Protect works on Brick Break. 

      Weird, I remember bypassing protect with BB in emerald

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    • in older versions of pokemon brick break broke through protect but those were really old games like blue, green, red, and yellow version i believe.

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    •  Bob8999 wrote:
      in older versions of pokemon brick break broke through protect but those were really old games like blue, green, red, and yellow version i believe.

      Protect wasn't introduced until gen 2. The bulbapedia page shows all the moves that aren't affected by the move.

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    • KGiffoni wrote:

      Boros' Regeneration isn't going to be helping him anymore if he uses a CSRC and they get amped to the point where they can survive it. They start off in a state where they practically get one shotted by it, but can amp to the point where they could get a W, the profile even makes note of it.

      Again, it's not a stomp or impossible for them to win, Boros is just far more likely to be able to get a W off faster here.

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    • I'm pretty sure you can survive a hit more than 20x worth your durability if you have High-Mid regen.

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    • HenryWong122 wrote:
       Bob8999 wrote:
      in older versions of pokemon brick break broke through protect but those were really old games like blue, green, red, and yellow version i believe.
      Protect wasn't introduced until gen 2. The bulbapedia page shows all the moves that aren't affected by the move.

      im like 90% certain it was a thing in blue version but then again i havent played that in like 15 years.

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    • KGiffoni wrote:

      I wasn't arguing them bypassing the Regen, I'm saying he would negate his Regeneration factor after using the attack and lose from doing so.

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    • Bob8999 wrote:
      HenryWong122 wrote:
       Bob8999 wrote:
      in older versions of pokemon brick break broke through protect but those were really old games like blue, green, red, and yellow version i believe.
      Protect wasn't introduced until gen 2. The bulbapedia page shows all the moves that aren't affected by the move.
      im like 90% certain it was a thing in blue version but then again i havent played that in like 15 years.

      I'm 100% certain your wrong. https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Protect

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    • Not even sure what we are discussing anymore

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    • I would like to point out that Protect cant fully block Z-Moves, so i assume It wont be able to block an attack that is massively stronger than the user. 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF6CfMMVofM

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    • can Pikachu and Groundon use every move that are on their profiles?

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    • i mean they should be able to

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    • The man with the Midas touch wrote:
      I would like to point out that Protect cant fully block Z-Moves, so i assume It wont be able to block an attack that is massively stronger than the user. 

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF6CfMMVofM

      I would like to point out that Electroweb (a move not design for protection) fully block a Z-Move.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvpO_VKmPbU

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    • i think that pikachu and groundon can have an advantage, Groundon can buff himself with Bulk Up (i think to 4x) and heal with rest, both pikachu and groundon(he can learn electric moves) have a chance to paralize Borus, stastistc reduction and groundon moves become stronger in sunlight

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    • rest puts groudon to sleep for awhile which would leave him and pikachu vunerable.

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    • Does the anime depict how Rest works? I can't recall any instance of it being explained or depicted. If there are no examples, you'd have to question how long a 'turn' is to figure out how long Groudon would be immobile.

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    • i believe its used several times in the anime (cant think of specific examples but id bet money that a snorlax used it atleast once.). most of the time it seems to last atleast a few minutes.

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    • still discussing?

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    • Groundon can learn Sleep Talk, but i don't know if Groundon can use also the moves that he learn from TM's in this match, despite this i think that Pikachu and Groundon can have some advantage if they buff themselves

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    • Anything they do still can't bypass instant high-mid regen.

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    • Boros FRA.

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    • And we have reached grace

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    • I doubt it will go the full 24 hours

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    • Um, Grace ended like 8 hours ago guys.

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    • This can be added then.

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    • Boros' page needs to be unlocked then. Where do you go to unlock it?

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    • versus thread additions requests

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    • Boros beat Pikachu, and Garou tied with Pikachu. So Boros > Garou confirmed?

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    • Gyronutz are you able to add this?

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    • Nah, I can't unlock profiles. You'd need a content moderator or an admin.

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    • GyroNutz wrote:

      It would appear that way.

      Reminds me of how Ultra Sonic lost to Godoka, Godoka lost to True Enerjak, and True Enerjak went incon with Ultra Sonic.

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    • oof still waiting on someone to add this 

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    • Silly question but have you requested this on the versus addition thread?

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    • yeah

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    • GyroNutz wrote:
      Nah, I can't unlock profiles. You'd need a content moderator or an admin.

      That's an ABC fallacy you just made.



      For false premise: someone is saying A is stronger than B, B is stronger than C, so A is stronger than C, therefore A beats C, which is a false premise because other factors influence who beats who than strength.

      For false analogy: someone is saying, A>B>C because A beat B and B beat C, therefore A>C and should beat C. This is false analogy because they’re treating the characters as analogous to numbers to apply the transitive property, but characters abilities are more than just numbers and therefore can’t be treated as analogous to them.



      I'm smarter than a moderator, give me a higher rank because I'm better than them.

      That was a joke btw! xD

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    • hey im pretty sure he was just joking lol

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    • Welp, there's no other option, take your well deserved admin role ma'am.

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    • A FANDOM user
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