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  • Haha. More Burns fighting people.

    Burns is 10-C. But has his gun (which is 8-C+)

    Base Deku, Beginnings form. (9-A)

    Speed is equal

    They are both in an apartment building and don’t know where the other is, but know they want the other dead

    There. Who wins and why?

    Old Man Murders Kid: 4

    Kid Murders old Man: 7

    Inconclusive/Draw:

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    • well, they can both one-shot eachother and both will probably be damaging themselves with each attack, izuku is physically superior in every regard but he cant do much against a gun. hmm....

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    • The best anime fight

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    • ,*deku starts running towards the old man*

      ,*bang*

      ,*deku's lifeless body falls to the ground*

      ,*mr. burns gets launched backwards by the recoil of the gun, hits his head and is knocked unconsious*

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    • thats assuming he is far enough away from him for a gun to be useful tho

      edit: saw this starts in an apartment?

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    • An apartment building. So they will have some range. Burns will definitely have some room to shoot, as will Deku to his range stuff. But they also aren’t sure where the other is.

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    • Man if i was Izuku, id just go back home.

      But anyway I think the gun wins.

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    • Alright. One for Burnz

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    • Ok. Good. It’s gone. Now since that’s resolved. Back to the fight

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    • Yeah my vote remains, the porn didnt change it

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    • ill vote burns via gun.

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    • Two for Burns then

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    • Burns FRA

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    • Three for Burns

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    • Big boy burns FRA

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    • 4 for burns

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    • Uuuuuuuuh.. why exactly would a gun be effective at all on Deky unless it was at point blank range?

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    • they are in an apartment building, so a gun is very effective.

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    • LSirLancelotDuLacl wrote: Uuuuuuuuh.. why exactly would a gun be effective at all on Deky unless it was at point blank range?

      Because the gun is a Building level+ piercing gun. Deku gets hit by that and it’s lights out

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    • Since when does being in a building make you incapable of dodging? Speed is equalized, and if Burns misses or hits a non-vital spot, he's screwed.

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    • oh, i didnt see speed was equalized.. It didnt seem like it would be necessary. 

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    • Therefir wrote: Since when does being in a building make you incapable of dodging? Speed is equalized, and if Burns misses or hits a non-vital spot, he's screwed.

      If he hits Deku flat, dekus probably screwed. The gun fires with energy to pierce a building level+. So Deku won’t be seeing good results by being shot anywhere by it.

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    • The bullet is going to pierce him like a butter, but I don't see how that's going to stop Deku if he's hit in the arm or a similar body part, considering his enormous pain resistance and stamina.

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    • But I’m not very easy to cut through

      Well. It at the very least would send him flying back. The energy it would give off is much more than Deku could handle to stand his ground if getting tagged by it. As well. The hole it would leave would be a lot more gapping and do a lot more damage due to the energy. If it hit his arm, it potentially could take it off just because of how much energy is behind it. And that’s with only one bullet. Should burns fire more than one. It’s probably gonna be fatal. Despite the Pain resistance. The damage it does would likely be too mucj

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    • By that logic all attacks of higher AP would just send you flying, which... is not something I think we normally assume here.

      R A T H E R

      A bullet with that much energy would just punch clean through him and do added damage due to how much energy it has but.... that's, that's not really blowing him back.

      And unless they are literally a meter apart or something, Deku has should have more than enough room to move the hell out of the way with speed equal to ensure there's at least not a lethal wound.

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    • Well. One side needs to be picked then.

      Cause the way it was said. If Burns misses his shot or doesn’t hit somewhere fatal, he is screwed.

      That makes it sound like the logic of the bullet having that much energy. As it means burns would be sent back. But if not, if we say it wouldn’t send him or Deku back. Then burns can shoot more than once.


      If anything. I prefer we go off the logic that burns can fire his gun without suffering recoil as thats what is most consistent in the show. Which means he can fire multiple times. But they would be blowing off limbs. It will however go through Deku with ease.

      And they would be several meters apart. They are in an apartment building and don’t know where each other are.

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    • Well yes, but the recoil of a gun is much different from the impact of one. Why do you think many people at times just stand there as they take a shot? The super small surface area affected plus the high kinetic energy makes it go cleanly through unless it hits something like a bone or a lot of mass, but that's small caliber bullets. Something with this much power would just cut through it like butter(how ironic) while maybe adding some more damage due to just how much energy it has.

      Which leaves him totally able to fight if he can evade, which he can with speed equal, even if it only gets something like an arm. He can easily deal with the pain and getting an arm fucked since... this is an everyday occurance. 

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    • Well. Normally I wouldn’t see a gun doing much. But this gun is nearly 2 degrees of levels above Dekus. It’s close to Large building level hitting through. So lead that’s able to break through the bones of people of that degree In durability. Seems like it should do immense amounts more damage to someone a large degree weaker. At least in this case, if it made contact with the bone, i would think the bone itself would shatter apart. Much like if you smack a car windshield with a hatchet hard enough, a large amount of the windshield can break across the entire car. In this case. If the bullet struck bone, the amount of energy it can provide should definitely be enough to do far more damage. I would argue it would break and probably entirely shatter the bone it hits should it hit one of them. Would at least break the bone it hits.

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    • You do know that by this logic guns should kill us no matter what, right? Except they don't because what kills you is the damage to a lethal area. 

      Bleeding in a main artery could actually do a lot to deku if it actually hits his arm, but that gives him plenty of time still to go after Burns and help him commit not alive. 

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    • At this point, the argument should be more focused on Deku's dodging skills and the weapon itself, keep in mind that the movement of a bullet is very simple and linear, making it predictable and way easier to dodge. With the speed equalized, I think it would be easy for Deku to dodge them.

      >And they would be several meters apart. They are in an apartment building and don’t know where each other are.

      Deku probably have the experience advantage if that's the case, he has fought Bakugou in a similar condition at the beginning of his career, and was able to dodge Bakugou's surprise attack. Not to mention that he'll be very careful not to show his position.

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    • Deku gets Burned FRA.

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    • Yeah. Even assuming the worst happens and Deku actually gets shot and it hits, the chances of winning are in his favor. Voting him.

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    • IRL guns vs us is differ to Burns gun vs Deku. It may be a small piece of metal. But it still would do extreme damage. Not saying it breaks his entire arm, and kills him. I’m just saying. A piece of metal flying with enough energy to penetrate and damage the bones and body of a Building level+ person, is gonna do some really bad damage to someone who’s extremely weaker to it. It’s gonna do serious damage. That energy would likely break the bone it tags (not the entire arm. Just the bone itself).

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    • Will say. It will get harder to dodge closer range due to the speed of the gun and speed being equal making it harder to dodge.

      But that’s five for burns, And Two for Deku then? If Therefir was voting

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    • @Buttersamuri I'm voting for Deku, he has a better chance of winning, while Burns depends on catching Deku by surprise, which is going to be difficult considering how Deku tends to act in such conditions, and even if that were to happen, Deku is still capable of dodging Burns' bullets, he could even use the walls of the apartment to do it, as he did with Bakugou.

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    • Alright. So yea. Two for Deku then.

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    • So Burns is 10C can he handle the recoil of his gun? Since even a breeze could injure him?

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    • Yeah Deku seems to have an easier when condition compared to Burns so I’d say Deku FRA because of having the better winning condition with mid difficulties.

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    • A breeze couldn’t hurt him. That’s both inconsistent and a joke

      And yes he can. He has shown he can handle to recoil of his pistol and rifle.

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    • His 10C key lists that as evidence for him being 10C

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    • ill switch to deku FRA. and if its in an apartment building deku could catch burns by suprise around a corner + he has some skill in CQC as shown by his first fight with bakugou (although due to the diffrence in physical stats it isnt really necessary.).

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    • Considering how cautious Deku is, the fact that Burns would nedd to hit a vital area to kill Deku on the spot, the fact that he’d die from a glancing blow and he likely can’t handle his gun’s recoil I vote Deku

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    • Again. He can handle the guns recoil. He does in canon.

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    • Doesn’t that contradict his profile? His page seems to take the gags seriously also could you possibly link the scene of him handling the recoil

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    • Izuku for reasons above.

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    • I would have to see if it’s on YouTube. I know one of the episodes plot where he fires his rifle. Just need to find the scene

      But it’s more the inconsistency of guns. Plus burns inconsistent strength. Really. His weak gag feats are often overused despite they are extreme inconsistencies. Burns is far more Like a just sort of weak old man rather than a frail weak af old man who is overpowered by light and bugs. He consistently can carry stuff like bats. Guns, bowling ball, his rifle, shoot his guns, and other such things far far more consistently. I mean. If he really was weaker than an ant, how does he always carry his gun around (which is confirmed), or if he was really too weak that light can push him around. How does he ever go outside. Or flat out do anything when light exist around him.

      Though. I think that should be noted in his page.

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    • He has two keys though him handling all that stuff should belong to his 8C+ key not his 10c key which seems to reflect his weak self

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    • 8-C+ represents the time he can take beatings from the cast. Which is within the same level of consistency that he is weak. As he has been hit and injured by several across many episodes. Which is why he gets a vary stat. But 10-C is his weaker side. But we shouldn’t use his weakest as being gags and outliers to even his weak strength. He could not exist or live as a character if he was actually weaker than light and an ant. And just by him doing common everyday stuff he does in any episode he shows up in, far counters the haha weaker than an ant joke. A slight breeze of wind can kill him, even though he has taken long falls, heavy winds, and general damage which far exceeds that statement in consistency

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    • If you wish to change that you should make a crt for it if not his profile tells us his 10C is really weak

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    • It’s 6 votes to 4 in Deku’s favor

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    • He still is 10-C. He just isn’t as weak as it’s being said. His ant feat shouldn’t be taken in account. The page notes his strength is inconsistent and that he can also carry such things like bats, his rifle, and a bowling ball. So it does already make note of that. It’s already on his page.

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    • Also. I’ll update that. 6 to 4?

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    • Yes and his weakness is determined by his toon force and the evidence is all those gags that his page takes seriously

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    • all those gag feats

      An entire 3 to 4 of them vs his several other listed feats. We shouldn’t use the lowest end of his 10-C here.


      Also. Side note. Would this change anything. Burns is potentially in line for Mid regen buff.

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    • His several other feats are 8C aren’t they?

      Also Mid regen might make it that he wins this with like no diff

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    • No. The feats like lifting a tossing a bowling ball, shooting his guns, being in the war where he shot his gun a lot on the battle field. And even normal feats like standing under heavy light and not being overpowered but it (countering his gag feat of it happening), Taken heavy winds and not dying (like the doctor implied he would as a joke), and taken a decent fall and surviving. Being set on fire and surviving. Ect Ect


      Well. Seems like he is in line for it. The episode that showed his regen is linked to how hateful he is. His skull and brain was flattened heavily. And just by being a tad hateful, it immediately healed him. And all he did was take a lollipop from a kid (which also was another feat he had to prove he isn’t weaker than an ant). So his hateful nature gives him Mid Regen (though hasn’t been added yet as talking on a thread about it).

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    • deku FRA

      oh well at least burns still has an impressive win streak

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    • Majority of what you listed is 10B or 10A, taking heavy light or winds are tied to his toon force and don’t counter the gags especially since his profile even says he varies based on that and for the record a 10C person shouldn’t be able to handle a gun’s recoil especially an 8C+ gun

      Again his powers are tied to his toon force which means his gags are applicable

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    • That’s grace

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    • Again.

      He is 10-C. But. He is Not as low as he is being made out as. But he consistently can fire his gun. Plus a gun is frankly inconsistent. And. If you say that he couldn’t handle firing his gun due to the recoil. Then we have to apply that logic to Deku not being able to tank the force since it’s 2 and nearly 3 levels higher than him. That gun would be extremely fatal even if it hit an arm. Just through the sheer force behind the bullet would tear apart whatever limb or body part it hit, and would send Deku flying too. Even if he somehow survived the shot, the force would knock him down and likely out, and Deku would bleed out in that case

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    • That’s under the circumstances that Burns hits Deku, the bullets would punch through his arm but Deku has 8C durability so the gun isn’t two tiers above him and again just needs a glancing blow to kill Burns who at most is equivalent to a child (physically)

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    • They both would just need to get that blow in. Cause that blow is all it takes. It’s more so who gets it in first. The force and blood that would come from the bullet wound would cause an eventual and quick death. And that’s even if he hit the arm. Major arteries in the leg, and in the chest or head would also do it. Most places Burns could shout have the would bleed to death do to sheer force, or just would be plain fatal.

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    • Also just did some checking Homer is at most .8 tons and Deku scales to 1.07 tons

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    • 1. Homers feat he scales to is an At Least. Not an At Most. The destruction feat Wiggum survived didnt even hurt him. Entirely unharmed

      2. Then his page would be mislabeledz his durability is marked at Building level. Not +. Which can mean a large difference

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    • 1. That still doesn’t constitute 8c+

      2. 1.07 tons isn’t Building level+, Burns also isn’t almost High 8-C with his gun he’s 8C+ at best

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    • Deku in his 9A key has .63 ton durability. Scales from Shouji to Ojirou to Kirishima to Bakugo, who is only 1.05 with his best explosions.

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    • Bakugo’s AP is regularly listed as 1.07 tons in vs debates and the .63 tons is treated as a supporting feat

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    • Grace is over and this should be added

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    • Probably should be removed now. Mid regen just got the thumbs up

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    • would a 10-C with mid regen actually recover from getting hit by a 9-A+?

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    • I’m not sure tbh. I just remember asking if it would change anything. And they brought up it might make it a stomp. Cause that’s some really good regen

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    • I feel burns would still turn into paste once deku hits him

      if he had something like Mid-High then yeah he'd recover, but mid regen probably not

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    • Well. If he hits him directly. If Burns just gets caught in the winds of the attack. He could maybe take that. But getting hit by Deku directly would probably do that. Albiet. Being hit by him directly and not having his brains blown out is not too likely (or at least worth a quick rematch to discuss with mid regen)

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