Bob8999 wrote: well, deku doesnt have to get close he has air pressure blasts and black whip and mob doesnt know about those + while in character mob doesnt go straight for the kill, so deku might win? mabye?
Deku needs to move to use those (which he cant because of Mob's TK). Bloodlusted Mob will just TK him to death
mob isnt bloodlusted, and i dont think midorya needs to move to use blackwhip he just needs to concentrate and mabye aim it, for the air pressue blasts he just needs to flick his fingers not much movement needed, so i have a question can mobs TK be resisted through physical strength? if so midorya might be able to move (even a little might be enough.) depending on the diffrence in AP and/or lifting strength.
Ok since 20% Deku is allowed he can win if he can hit Mob enough times Deku is also more experienced in combat and can tag Mob with Air Blasts however he won’t be able to keep it up for long so I’ll say Deku mid diff
Deku amps to 20% after being held and realizing he has no choice, then proceeds to step all over Mob. The only thing holding him back from being able to win at 8% is his LS, but LS at 20% is class K so he’s not getting stopped by anything. The speed amp lets him dodge basically everything, even though his dura would probably allow him to tank it all anyway. AP advantage goes to Deku since even just 8% is relative to Mob’s AP, and Deku’s intelligence lets him pick apart Mob’s abilities and fighting style so he can outthink and counter them. The trade off is the constant pain and stiff movements, but given Deku only needs to hit Mob a couple of times, and even his air pressure alone can hurt him at 20%, I think Deku takes this after amping. He just needs to get in close, which is easy given his mobility, or shoot some ranged attacks.
How high can Mob fly? Because Deku has Psuedo-Flight via propelling himself with wind pressure. He can jump ridiculously high as well. Deku also has ranged attacks btw, and his speed amp lets him dodge all of Mob’s projectiles. Deku is smarter than Mob too, so he’s not just going to let him hang back to stall, and with his mobility, can bridge the gap between them quite quickly.
I don’t think there’s much Mob can do to hit Deku after he amps despite his control of the environment. And Overhaul could control the environment as well but Deku could react and dodge him.
Speed is equal (balanced to Mob), so yes, Deku can dodge basically anything thrown at him, especially since he’s stat amping above equal speed.
Weaknesses: Using 100% of One For All's power will break the bones of the limb it's used in. Using 20% or more of his power causes his movements to become stiff and predictable due to the pain in his muscles and bones and will eventually cause damage to Izuku if used for too long. He is unable to fully control Blackwhip until he has achieved complete mastery over One For All.
How would Mob even begin to hit Deku with objects from that high up? He’d be firing almost blind. Also Deku is going to dodge the objects, he’s not going to stand still and punch them over and over as they come near him until his hands break. The objects are weaker than 20% Deku’s dura anyway so I doubt that would happen without a very long time passing of just him doing that. Like, a full hour straight of hurling things at Deku’s arm.
Deku can take hits at 20%, the pain comes from his body being over burdened with power. He’s not going to shatter the instant an attack touches him lmao, he gets flat out stabbed at 20% and can still be relatively fine. Being at 20% causes him pain, and if he stays in 20% for too long he will start getting actually hurt, but that’s why we’re saying this fight is decided soon after Deku goes 20%. He’s going to be trying to end it quickly, and Mob doesn’t have the range to stall him out, while also losing in the AP, Dura, intelligence, Lifting and speed categories.
There's not even an exact value for 20% AP so don't talk like it's a ???% level stat amp.
Mob can do that for hours, really. Deku will not reach him so easily because of his natural energy barrier. Not only that, he also has his own stat amps, like Rage Power as his percentage grows. Only 100% is restricted for Mob but it can still grow as he is in danger.
Mob doesn’t grow stronger as his percentage increases you’d have to provide proof for your claim, Mob being able to sense people doesn’t mean his powers can extend far enough for him to stay that high and spam attacks
>Mob doesn’t grow stronger as his percentage increases
Clearest example is him being destroyed by Koyama and later him destroying Koyama because his percentage grew, lol. Mogami himself said that ESP powers come from emotions, and Mob's emotions make him stronger. Especially will to survive and be alive to protect his family as he believes those with powers must fight.
>Mob being able to sense people doesn’t mean his powers can extend far enough for him to stay that high and spam attacks
Yes and their abilities work differently Toichiro built up all that power along with it not being locked away or influenced by emotion even the indication for their percentages are different Toichiro’s are specifically labelled output
From what I’ve seen, Mob needs to actually reach 100% before he gets his stat amp, and that comes from his emotions building up, hence why rage power is on his profile, but both of these characters 100% is restricted. I didn’t see anywhere that the increase in percent itself results in a stat amp. The Toichiro guy’s power operates differently from Mob’s, so just because as his percentage increases he gets stronger doesn’t mean the same for Mob.
There’s more discussion about Mob because he gets beaten in every single category. Deku amps to 20%, ignores all his projectiles and beats him up. The discussion right now is whether Mob can stat amp too, which it seems he can’t, so his only option is to stall Deku out of 20%, which he can’t due to speed and range. Mob’s TK versatility doesn’t do much to Deku if he can just dodge everything while spamming air blasts at the same time.
I don’t think there’s a single thing Mob can do that stops Deku from getting close enough to hit or restrain him.
> Deku has no experience with a flying enemy
> Deku fights mid air 75% of the time
> Can fight just as well in the air as he can on the ground
Good luck with that happening while Mob wasn't KO'd by multiple blows from his opponents and Mob just being capable of flying away. 20% breaks his barrier and Mob has time to fly away during this, lol. And how many times is Deku faster? 2? It's not really that much.
It’s not that his moves at 20% are predictable, it’s that due to the pain his body is in, his movements are stiff in comparison to him when he isn’t in 20%. Overhaul was a monster at prediction and analysis, saying Deku became predictable to him isn’t exactly a negative fr Deku.
Deku at 20% dodged all of Overhauls attacks despite him manipulating the environment to do so, easily avoided Overhaul himself due to the speed gap, and utilized his normal movements to bounce off the ceiling to KO Overhaul in a single hit.
20% doesn’t have a lot of feats, it scales to Deku’s weaker usages of OFA but he’s in pain. At weaker levels, he can easily maneuver himself mid air to dodge dozens of attacks coming from all around him, turn his opponents attacks against them, use air blasts mid air while upside down, jump incredibly high, bounce between buildings rapidly, fought and analyzed the Gentle Criminal in mid air, and several other mid air feats I’m probably forgetting.
@ElixerBlue are you an anime only? Deku has feats in the Hero License, Culture Festival and joint training arc where he fights mid air several times, you listed feats from before even Overhaul.
Deku blitzes people that are likely over 2x faster than his 8%, just need that calc revision to go through. And Mob can get ko’d by Deku, 20% is a large enough stat amp to make Deku’s AP advantage very clear.
Case in point: Mob being able to fly is not going to stop Deku from getting to him unless he goes ridiculously high, but he would be outside his own attack range in doing so. Deku is above all of Mob’s projectiles, has an AP/dura advantage, doesn’t lose at range, has an intelligence advantage, and can’t be affected by Mob’s TK.
@SpookyShadow your interpretation of events is noted, but not perfect or correct. Let’s say Mob starts with tossing Deku around. The second Deku realizes he can’t move his body at all and is getting thrown around, he stat amps and blitzes toward Mob to end the fight quickly. Mob isn’t fast enough to fly away from 20% Deku before he reaches him, and any shield he puts up is getting destroyed since they’re apparently relative to his own durability.
Deku doesn’t have to jump to try and punch Mob, that’s what his air pressure is for. He can redirect himself with air pressure, and since they’re fighting in Central Park, should have some structures to bounce off of and utilize his mobility. You’re horrendously downplaying Deku’s mobility.
Also, tired and exhausted? Deku? After only getting slammed into walls a couple times? Not very plausible considering his pain tolerance and stamina. This is the kid who can fght with both arms broken after getting beaten black and blue. The guy whose trump card fails, gets stabbed while still being in immense pain, and is still ready to fight. The guy who broke every single one of his fingers, broke his arm, then decided he didn’t have enough and broke his fingers twice while having his broken arm frozen, then kept breaking them until he got the result he wanted.
Mob slamming Deku into walls is a laughable amount of pain, and definitely no where near enough to exhaust him.
So, let's see, Mob has so many abilities, like tossing multiple objects at him, superhuman stamina, flight (which allows to fully control his movement mid-air, unlike Deku. Are there any feats of Deku kicking air like Maito Gai to reach his opponent? If there are, I would like to see them), Minegishi's plants that he can use to protect himself and attack, can generate explosions, et cetera et cetera.
When Mob sees Deku is going to jump he's not going to stand there like idiot and take it, but he will instantly either fly away even further or use his full energy to create a forcefield. It can take multiple attacks from people comparable to him (example, Toichiro attacking his barrier and it can tank his hits, and don't tell me that's different form so it doesn't count because he can do literally the same in this form, or he was unscratched by that kidnapper punch while it was just his mere aura, not even a created barrier)
So he can redirect himself with air pressure, but is it enough to blitz? Air pressure is not the same as jumping on the ground.
So Mob just leads with suffocating people by crushing their wind pipe in character now? And Deku’s durability increases as his percentage does, Mob is not strong enough to move 20% Deku’s neck if it doesn’t want to be moved.
That was bloodlusted under extreme circumstances from what I saw. Deku is literally just some guy Mob is in a confrontation with, not someone who he has given up on entirely and is actively attempting to kill. I think you’re taking “willing to kill” too literally.
The characters are themselves. They just are not going to hold back when using their attacks if they would normally do so. It doesn’t change their moves, attack methods, or strategies unless the character is like an extreme pacifist or there is a certain condition. This is Mob vs some random guy he hasn’t seen before, not a sworn enemy, he’s not going to try and instakill him just cause he’s willing to kill. You can check the SBA Page if you’re confused about what I’m saying.
Did Dimple, Terada and those kidnappers do something to anger or affect Mob in some way? If so, that’s not how Mob would act in a fight against someone who hasn’t done anything to him.
How would Mob act if he decided to get into a fight with some person that hasn’t made him angry, but that he just wants to fight. He’s not thinking “this guy did something to me,” he’s just in the state of mind that he needs to fght Deku. That’s the mindset he has under SBA basically. Unless he always, at any given point in time, leads with instakill, or crushes, or wall slamming, or whatever, you can’t say that’s what he’ll lead with in this scenario.
Unless you have non physical interaction or some other special ability, you can't just brute force your way out of being held by an invisible force. You'd need something to grab onto to overpower it, and Mob wouldn't give them that much room if he really wants to end the fight.
Mob’s TK is based on lifting strength isn’t it? Or is it based on something else entirely? Most of the Mob Psycho characters lifting strength comes from their TK, so if a character is stronger than what they’re noted to be able to hold, why should they be capable of holding him? What is determining Mob being able to lift and throw people if not his LS? Can Mob crush High 4c windpipes and toss them around like ragdolls regardless of the strength difference?
Just having higher lifting strength doesn't mean you're harder to lift, it just means you're capable of applying more force and lifting heavier objects. Izuku is just a 60 some-odd kilogram kid, there's nothing stopping Mob from holding him in the air where he can't grapple and overpower him.
He can't overpower High 4-C dura but there's nothing stopping him from lifting a human sized opponent into the air.
A 3c, human sized character with Galactic lifting strength is caught in Mob’s TK. Can Mob push and pull that character regardless of the clear difference in stats, even if they try to go a different direction than what Mob wants them to go.
If they don't have an ability that allows them to actually interact with the TK directly, they wouldn't be able to just wrestle out of it. There's nothing to grapple out of unless Mob put him next to something he could grab to get some kind of momentum in another direction.
He has a clear limit. He can't move things too far above 1000 Kilograms, and if someone had flight, telekinetics, or some other method of actually dealing with an invisible force hoisting them, then he would be overpowered.
According to what I’m understanding, Deku would have free movement of his body, and can only be lifted and tossed. If so, Deku has pseudo flight via air pressure at 20%, so he still has a way of moving even if Mob picks him up. Or he can just bounce off whatever wall Mob tries to throw him at. At 20%, Mob has no way of keeping Deku still enough, especially with the speed difference, to do enough damage to beat him.
His 20% flicks would only allow him to fling himself around in one direction. And even then, when he's done with his flight, what exactly stops him from just lifting Izuku again and leaving him in the air until 20% proves too much for him to keep going?
Deku using air pressure again stops Mob from using TK to lift him again. Izuku can spam air blasts, it’s not like he’s going to kick once and never think to kick again in order to not get Tk’d. He propels himself in one direction, and similar to All Might and his 100% form, can change that direction mid air, if not with his body than with his Air Force gauntlets at least. If he can’t change mid air, than he can just kick again if Mob tries to TK him again, it wouldn’t be that difficult.
All he needs to do is break free from Mob’s TK so he can get closer to him, and the speed difference helps him in that regard. If Deku comes flying at Mob, he’s going to be moving faster than Mob can fly away, and he’ll have figured out and likely predicted where Mob is going to move, as well as how his powers work. Deku’s intelligence fits perfectly in instances where he needs to improvise like this one. Him needing to do rapid adjustments with air pressure is absolutely something he would think of and is capable of doing.
Speed is not equal, Deku is amped to 20% from 8%.
If you don’t believe Deku is capable of doing what I’ve stated, this match is a stomp because Deku has no win condition.
It'll fling him in one direction, and once that momentum stops, he's wide open. If he's constantly airblasting to fling himself around, not only is it something Izuku isn't experienced in doing and won't be as precise, but it'll constantly strain him under 20%'s power.
I actually was saying that from the beginning, Mob TKs him and GG.
Rapid air blasting should definitely be something he’s capable of at this point, especially considering he’s managed to control even black whip under Endeavor, but since he hasn’t actually done it yet, I’ll say this is a stomp then. Should revisit this once Deku has control of 20%.