Well, I will point out the advantages that both have:
Devour boi advantages: AP, Piercing Damage, Homing Attack, Danmaku, Shinsoo Barriers, Durability, Experience, Range Combat, Versatility, Reactive Power Level
Rubber boi advantages: Precog, Speed, can get faster as Snakeman during the fight, Accelerated Development, Regeneration (?), Afterimage Creation
Where both might be comparable in stats and powers: Dura Negation (Goken and Piercing Technique could be comparable in their destructive power, but in general Baam's Dura Negation should be somewhat superior to Luffy's), CQC skills, Flight, Range, Stamina (Baam trained for three weeks in a mental plane and also "fought" against GoG for 1 month off-panel and Luffy is comparable if not superior to Ace and Jinbe, that could fight for straight 5 days)
No intent to kill so maybe Luffy's CoO could become passive since he won't lose his temper trying to kill the enemy like in his fight against Kaido. This can probably counter some Baam techniques like danmaku.
Rei Rubro wrote: No intent to kill so maybe Luffy's CoO could become passive since he won't lose his temper trying to kill the enemy like in his fight against Kaido. This can probably counter some Baam techniques like danmaku.
Doesn't Luffy usually lose his temper when the opponents he fights against last much longer than he thought? Correct me if I'm wrong
Since both started 4km away from each other, I see Baam being prone to using his ranged shinsoo control skills against Ruffy to take advantage and spam Giant Shinsoo Orb and Water Dragons, it is noted that virtually most of the shinsoo techniques that Baam uses in the season 3, are ominidirectional and may end up dominating the Mugiwara before it gets close to him, Goken will not be very useful against shinsoo attacks, although he can disperse Baam's attacks, the devour boi can simply the Water Dragon variants to not have his shinsoo weakened with each attack and could overwhelm Luffy at the ponit to make him back to his original state, to consequently overpower him with his shinsoo without any problem to have a chance to stab Luffy by increasing the size of his blade hitting some part of his body causing him to lose a lot of blood, thus causing the Straw Hat to faint from blood loss.
Although otherwise, if Luffy manages to be able to reach a range capable of hand-to-hand combat with Baam, I doubt Mugiwara will leave an opening for him to defend or attack, as due to the precog he can know how dangerous Baam's physical attacks are for him, and Luffy will eventually realize that Baam doesn't have much control with his transformation, Straw Hat will use a King Kong Gun + Goken combination (which unlike the normal King Kong Gun, doesn't transform him to his base state) to clash with Baam's blade and break it and then dominate him in close bombat preventing him from using his Floral Butterfly Piercing Technique correctly or just dodge from it, then using Goken to bypass Baam superior durability to make him pass out
Luffy will probably think Baam's shinsoo may be water, considering he doesn't know what shinsoo is and this is pretty much like water, then he will try to avoid being engulfed by it, besides, Baam can just stand still and use shinsoo spam while Luffy will have to get tired dodging the Water Dragons and Giant Shinsoo Orb attack to get close to him, plus Baam has a considerable boost of AP and Durability with First Thorn Boost, Luffy's Goken will have a hard time bypassing Baam's blade + Shinwonryu combination, as shinsoo covering his blade can neutralizing the effects of Goken
By the way, I change my vote, I see Baam winning mostly because of shinsoo versatility + AP and also somewhat of RPL, through with high-diff
Baam's main issue is that he's now at a speed disadvantage against an opponent who can constantly amp his speed and watch his movements seconds before he can perform them. Goken is the lesser of the problems since Luffy would just attack before Baam even thinks about using the sword.
The Calaca wrote: BTW, what are the Black March and the Enryu's Thorns? Are those something like weapons?
Yeah, I still have to read ToG, sorry Enryu
Black March and Enryu's Thorns are somewhat weapons that Baam could use to powering himself, the Black March is a big black needle and the Enryu's Thorns are ... red thorns that appears in his back that when he active its, but so far in the season 3 he used only one of those, which was First Thorn Boost, as no enemy he fought currently until now forced him to use all three weapons at the same time, this was probably due more to his stubbornness and other factor
Nope, since the thorns and baam became "one," practically Baam is a living weapon and you can't have the thorn taken from him if you don't use a certain process to separate him from his thorns, which is melting Baam alive
It is currently unknown whether he has absorbed the needle into his body or is simply keep it in an unknown place, but he would not use the Black March anyway
Baam is a threat to Gado, who is a great obstacle to Baylord Paul who was relieved to know that he would not have to confront him, Paul could tanked Karaka's explosion at epicenter and leaving unscathed and the latter could contented Yuri, that has a feat of 5,972 Teratons
Simply put, Baam's downscaling from 5,972 Teratons
Thrysha would not only be slower than Luffy, but he'd see it coming out before he even gets close to it.
Anyway, I'll vote for Luffy. Baam is a bit stronger, but Luffy's faster, can disperse Shinsoo, Haki will prevent him from suffering the loss of an arm, has more range and with Precognition he'll be always one step ahead of Baam to dodge his attacks. Plus Goken, which makes the difference less troublesome.
He can snap them back, or move where he wouldn't be able to reach it. He's literally watching what he's going to do seconds before. He can come up with something in the meantime. He can stop him by punching him before he even gets the chance to use the Thryssa.
Using an obviously less experienced, skilled and versatile Luffy isn't a good argument. Mihawk curbstomps.
Would Luffy's precog be able to deal with omnidirectional Danmaku and Shinsoo AoE? In addition RPL will cover the speed gap as Baam can get stronger and faster during a fight, also Luffy's Gear 4th has already been affected by piercing attacks from someone slightly weaker than him (Cracker, though Haki has been involved so that he could hurt Luffy), I do not doubt that Baam does much more damage to Luffy than Cracker did with his superior AP and strength amps, plus he can use Fast Skip to paralyze Luffy without him knowing what's up that happened, thus giving Baam a chance to deal a fatal attack that will cause the rubber boi to gradually lose blood or even cut off a part of his body causing him to pass out.
About Goken, Baam will probably do what he did to Elaine's Fenryl, after being hit by this technique and knowing what happened, he will simply from away and begins use ranged shinsoo attacks to prevent it from hitting him again when he knows the danger of this technique.
Well, Fast Skip paralyzes everyone in the environment that the user can reach, so Luffy will have to escape from kilometers away to prevent from Baam freezing him and considering that he has only one word to immobilize his opponent, I doubt Luffy can dodge from every Baam's attempts from paralyze him, at some point or another he will be affected by Fast Skip
Nope, Fast Skip, is not listed on Baam's season 3 profile's list of techniques because they are too many and eventually take up a lot of profile space, so I put a note with a link that leads to his season 2 list of techniqes
Right. Well, that seems okay, but again, it's done through Shinsoo immobilization, and Luffy can disperse it either with Goken or Conqueror's Haki (it'd do nothing to Baam), or just stop him before he can even pronunce the word.
I guess? His profile doesn't say that but he freezes the shinsoo in the enviroment. Plus, if Shinsoo can't be equalized with FT Magic which is the most similar thing I know about, I don't think it can be equalized to anything in One Piece.
Fast Skip description in his profile is wrong then, as it not just freezes shinsoo in the environment, but also everyone in the environment, the fact that he freezes shinsoo is due to intensive training, but the original purpose of Fast Skip is only affects those that are in the environment, not the shinsoo
Mostly shinsoo users has it, we don't add it to profiles as ability but as resistance because it's a redundant thing and it's even listed on the link that leads to Shinsoo Manipulation page, which lists as one of the powers that shinsoo bestows
That sounds like a game-changing ability. I'm surprised that this wasn't mention even slightly in other ToG matches.
Considering that Observation Haki required one to be in a calm state to be utilized at its full potential, Luffy would be driven mad and insane by Baam's shinsoo and lose his ability to focus on his Haki since he doesn't have resistances to either Madness and Fear Manipulation. Baam would then proceed to stomp on Luffy as he loses himself to despair.
Now I question the validity of other ToG matches that don't mention these particular abilities of Shinsoo like the Katakuri vs Dorian Frog.
I will come back to this, but Baam does not hax Fear/Madness Hax.
That is a fixture of the Tower itself. Baam could mimic these abilities, but he hasnt been shown and he probably doesnt know it could be used.
So no stomp, but more complicated.
Are we equalizing Shinsoo = Haki btw? Sort of matters.
Edit: To avoid explaining myself in a long post, and to not make another CRT. Just know that Baam could mimic any shinsoo powers in the tower or by shinsoo users. But in this case, it is more like he hasnt been shown or doesnt know about these abilities. So this hax is a moot point atm. Possible, but not in character and it is likely he doesnt know about how to use these properties of Shinsoo (yet).