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  • the eonymous are very strange when it comes to DC comics as the entire story about them is a meta joke and yet i dont think they are given enough credit from my point of view after reading about them and seeing just how powerful i suggest a really terrible comment

    the eonymous shouldnt be tier 1 they should be tier 0

    oh god that sounds weird when i write that out but they seem to tick everything that makes a 0 character a 0 character

    1. they are completely transcendant of all existence (they see every thing as mere fiction INCLUDING THE OVERVOID they see the overvoid as just a piece of paper that they damaged just by accidentally spilling some coffee on it )

    2.the retconn corps see the eonymous as omnipotent entities and are scared of them the retconn corp have a thing known as the ultimate failsafe which destroys everything in the over void

    i mean if they are completely transcendent of the over void shouldnt they be considered tier 0?

    i mean they could possibly be on the same level or stronger then the writer seeing they think that the piece of paper the writer writes on as just fiction

    well since the changes have arrived and no tier 0 exists for the DC verse high Tier 1-A would be good as well but there is a case for making them tier 0 even after the changes since they are most likely transendant over the writer and the writer is possibly tier 0

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    • Maybe. You should ask Ultima Reality about it after his tiering system revisions are done.

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    • bump

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    • You should still ask Ultima to comment here.

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    • I'm honestly not sure if we can scale Milk Wars / Doom Patrol characters to being above the Overvoid, considering the former's status as a storyline whose events and their effects have more focus on the comics labelled under the Young Animal imprint, while not necessarily affecting Mainstream DC, even though a few characters and concepts from it have appeared in relatively recent Justice League Comics.

      Besides, the Eonymous being transcendent over it sorta misses the entire point of what the Overvoid is supposed to be in the first place and ignores most of DC's underlying metaphysics, so that's another reason why I am iffy about scaling them to it.

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    • I agree with Ultima.

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    • Okay, so should we remove the Milk Wars characters due to not fitting into the overall DC cosmology?

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    • well i could actually see the being 

      1-A+ 

      or 1-A possibly high 1A

      due them being seen as all powerful(and untachable) by the retcon corps that have 1-A tech that can destroy anything in the overvoid

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    • They would definitely be Tier 0 if we accepted them as part of our regular DC scaling, but a lot of people are hesitant to do that.

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    • ClassicNESfan wrote:
      They would definitely be Tier 0 if we accepted them as part of our regular DC scaling, but a lot of people are hesitant to do that.

      DC ain't got no tier 0s anymore mate

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    • That's not what he said though? He said if the Eonymous was accepted, then they would be Tier 0 because they transcend Monitor-Mind the Overvoid.

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    • It doesn't matter. Their scaling relative to the other characters would qualify them for Tier 0 if they were being accepted as part of the mainstream DC continuity, because they would scale to The Overvoid. Also, your statement isn't technically accurate. We couldn't come to a conclusion on whether The Writer was Tier 0 or not, so we just made him At Least High 1-A, Likely Higher. In other words, it's more accurate to say "We don't know if DC has a Tier 0 anymore."

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    • Personally, I'd be fine using Milk Wars as a part of our main DC heirarchy, seeing as the events definitely occurred in the first place and Grant Morrison kind of opened the floodgates with his metafictional cosmology, but I understand the reasons people are against it. I'm not going to fight for it if everybody else is writing it off as a joke.

      In any case, I don't think their profiles need to be deleted. If they are going to be kept separate from regular DC cosmology, then just make sure it stays that way. Add a note to each page to prevent people from accidentally incorporating it.

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    • i think they should be high 1-A. if its not accepted for them to be above the overvoid, they should at least scale  to it somewhat.

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    • bump

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    • i am perfectly happy to have them as high 1-A

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    • but they pretty much see everything within and out of the DC verse as just fiction which includes the writer

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    • oh yeah and by the way can someone please remove the coffee manip on there profile i made an entire revision for the eonyomous just to remove it and it still didnt get removed its a very small thing to change and if in the future when battles take place with the eonymous coffee manip wont do anything unless the 1A/0 is highly allergic to coffee

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    • If you scale them to regular DC, then they would be At least High 1-A via scaling to the Overvoid.

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    • I removed Coffee Manipulation, as it seems to have been an inappropriate joke.

      I also do not know if we should truly have profiles for the Retconn Corps or the Eonymous, but if we do, the latter might scale to the Overvoid, yes.

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    • thank you, that annoyed me far more then it should

      anyways about the whole is it canon thing

      it does say in the note at the bottom

      "Although characters from the Milk Wars crossover storyline are scaled from ones present in the mainstream DC Continuity, the reverse is not allowed, due to the its status as a metafictional joke which clashes with the hierarchical structure of the main continuity. However, it should be noted that the events of the storyline still happened to the Doom Patrol and Justice League characters, and so can technically be considered canon to the overall verse."

      does that not make it so it is atleast somewhat canon?

      the main thing is if it should be scaled to the overvoid or even the writer

      the over void is strange as in the eyes of the writer it is just a simple sheet of paper

      to the eonymous the over void isnt even real its a fake piece of paper containing fake things

      i would say that the writer is a step below the eonymous

      the writer is in an office with the overvoid in front of it and he or she writes on it making the entirety of the DC multiverse but to the eonymous the piece of paper infront of the writer is fake and everything on that level is fake to them .sure the writer may be impossibly stronger then the overvoid but they are still on the same plane of existence and the eonymous think that, that plane is fictional

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    • Well, I am not well informed. Upgrading them to High 1-A depends on what Ultima, Kepekley, and ClassicNESfan think.

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    • The Eonymous are more like in-universe representations of the audience, and they are kept at bay by the Retconn Corps's production of stories, which are "fictional" in-universe, so them being High 1-A is shaky.

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    • Okay.

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    • Additionally, Milk Wars as a whole is referenced by Gerard Way (the main writer of that run) as being shaky in terms of canonicity and not strictly tied to the mainstream DC Universe.

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    • Okay. In that case I am uncertain if we should truly feature characters from it.

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    • they seem to classify the high 1-A tiering more than the 1-A or 1-A+



      if im not mistaken, the problem Ultima had with them was scaling above the overvoid. they dont  have to scale above it, they just scale to high 1-A.

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    • im fine with them being high 1-A i just want some love for the eons

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    • @Kepekley23 & Ultima Reality

      So what should we do here?

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    • yeah kepe and ultima what do you wanna do?

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    • Bump.

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    • You can remind them to comment here via their message walls.

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    • They are not High 1-A.

      1-A is fine for them, though I stress we should avoid scaling anyone in the main continuity to their storyline.

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    • Please elaborate.

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    • hey are High 1-A, thats just undeniable by scaling with the overvoid. but the problem here is that scaling above it is for some reason taken as a contradiction (dont know how when we know theres a thing above it)

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    • Especially considering Milk Wars and stuff connected to it was considered the exception of scaling to the main continuity

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    • Antvasima wrote: Please elaborate.

      I have already elaborated on this, actually. According to Gerard Way, Milk Wars is not strictly tied to the mainstream DCU and pretty much amounts to an Elseworld storyline, so I feel like it'd be a bad idea to scale anyone from the Eonymous.

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    • Okay. Does this need to be better clarified within their profile? Otherwise our visitors will likely wonder why we do not scale them from Monitor-Mind The Overvoid.

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    • Kepekley23 wrote:

      Antvasima wrote: Please elaborate.

      I have already elaborated on this, actually. According to Gerard Way, Milk Wars is not strictly tied to the mainstream DCU and pretty much amounts to an Elseworld storyline, so I feel like it'd be a bad idea to scale anyone from the Eonymous.

      Where is this stated? A link would be appreciated.

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    • at best they should be at least 1-A and extend to possily High 1-A

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    • Kepekley23 wrote:

      Antvasima wrote: Please elaborate.

      I have already elaborated on this, actually. According to Gerard Way, Milk Wars is not strictly tied to the mainstream DCU and pretty much amounts to an Elseworld storyline, so I feel like it'd be a bad idea to scale anyone from the Eonymous.

      This is not stated anywhere, this event is very much canon and closely tied to the DC cosmology with main dcu characters showing up there's literally no way to prove it's non-canon, you litearlly have the morrison map being printed out on panel, it cannot get any more canon than that

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    • Grant Morrison's map being in the story does not make something canon. The series was definitely played out as a very tongue-in-cheek joke. It's just a matter of how seriously we plan on taking it and how seriously future DC writers take it. I can see an argument for considering it canon, but I can also see it never being referenced again and primarily treated as a one-off joke. Writers and companies are allowed to have a little comedic fun with their stories and cosmology without it upheaving years of intricately placed storytelling and world building. Kep was clearly referencing an interview, not a disclaimer in the comic itself.

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    • canon isnt something you can pick and choose based on whether you like it or not. unless there's on panel evidence for rebuttal, nothing much for me to discuss

      it doesn't have to be referenced again. there are a lot of one off characters and events that are canon. also considering the nature of dc's metaverse and ever changing, from the biggest picture- everything is canon at this point. 

      regarding it being a joke-lobo or squirrel girl are joke characters it doesn't make their appearances any less canon. 

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    • elseworld stories happened somewhere in the multiverse via hypertime, saying it being elseworld means nothing regarding canonicity

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    • Mad at this point is correct all of dc cosmology still somewhat canon

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    • im so happy that people are arguing for the eons geting upgraded

      but i mean.. why isnt it canon? it happened in the multiverse  even a joke can still be considered canon

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    • but yeah to just give people who just enter this discussion the down-low

      the eonymous should scale above the overvoid (and possibly be on the same level or even higher then the writer) since they see the overvoid and everything in it as pure fiction and can destroy it easily

      the main issue with this is if the overvoid in the milk wars story the same power that is the overvoid in the main story but its kinda strange since EVEN in the pages we make for the milk wars characters we state that they can be scaled to the characters mentions INCLUDING the monitor mind 



      So yes simple powerscaling and general logic dictates that the eonymous should be high 1-A possibly 0

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    • Well, Kepekley23 seems to disagree.

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    • I mean, they should totally be High 1-A if not outright 0. But I seriously think having profile for joke characters that are above the God Tiers of the verse sounds very shaky.

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    • what do you mean shaky?

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    • I agree with Ionliosite about that overpowered joke characters with shaky continuity are likely not appropriate.

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    • well i mean what should we do then?

      if we kinda all agree that they are high 1-A or 0 but we wont allow them to have that tier because of the type of story they are in then i guess there are two things we could do.

      number one is upgrade them to high 1-A or 0 and add a note summarising why or

      number two is keep them at 1-A and add a note summarising why we wont allow them to go higher

      i mean i think we should upgrade them to high 1-A possibly 0 because i dont think the fact that they are a joke should stop them from being that OP 

      we agree that they are that strong but wont upgrade them even though this entire sites kinda main thing it to calculate how powerful things are and see who would win in a fight so i dont think the joke thing should stop that since that would go against the sites mission so to speak

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    • We could also remove the profiles due to messy continuity issues combined with that they are joke characters.

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    • ^^

      I agree with that. Tori-Bot is another example of a joke character who's above God Tiers (and even worse, it's an author avatar), so I actually think removing the profiles would be for the better.

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    • ok

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    • Agreed. Although the Retconn Corps are connected to the same storyline, so they would have to be removed as well.

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    • ok so this started out as a simple upgrade to tier 0 and now we are deleting two entire pages

      welp i say i did a good thing starting this thread

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    • Deerofdreams wrote:
      ok so this started out as a simple upgrade to tier 0 and now we are deleting two entire pages

      welp i say i did a good thing starting this thread

      There's no such thing as a simple upgrade to Tier 0, especially now. If you weren't a Tier 0 with memetic levels of transcendence before the Tier-1 massacre that was the tiering system revisions then your gonna have a hell of a hard time getting there now.

      In all seriousness, I agree with Ant and Kep. Milk Wars doesn't seem to be the kind of storyline that was meant to be an actually serious addition to the cosmology of the verse nor does it seem to have any continuity with current DC Comics. I agree with deleting their profiles.

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    • Is somebody willing to ask Kepekley23 and Ultima Reality to comment here again before I delete the pages, just to make certain?

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    • im doing it right now

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    • Thank you.

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    • I don't mind if they are deleted.

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    • Thank you for being reasonable. I will do so then.

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    • I handled it.

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    • it was a good run eonymous but your time has come and gone let ye rest in peace among the heavens

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    • Heh.

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