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  • Hyper Knuckles the Echidna (Game Character) VS Hyper Sonic the Hedgehog (Classic)

    Speed equalized and the fight takes place in the Green Hill Zone

    Hyper knuckles sonic world by nibrocrock-d88ompi
    C. Hyper Sonic

    Sonic:6 (ShakeResounding, ShadowWarrior1999, PapiSavitar5025, lonliosite, XSOULOFCINDERX, BigSmoke4269)

    Knux:9 (Theuser 789, Listentomyrhythm, ElixirBlue, Mister6ame6, Inverted Tempest, Epsilon R, The Axiom of Virgo, Gilad Hyperstar, MrLuk2000)

    Incon:1 (Phoenks)

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    • Good match!

      The way I see it, Sonic's versatility is really the thing that snags him the win here. It would essentially be a stalemate due to having the exact same AP, and the slight (if at all) skill advantage Classic Sonic has here would be negligible. It would only be a matter of time until Sonic uses the Wisps or Ring Time here. And whule Knuckles has thise tbings as well, Sonic will definitely be more inclined to use them before Knuckles does.

      My vote's on Classic Sonic here.

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    • Sonic:1

      Knux:0

      Incon:0

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    • I would say Hyper Knuckles has more physical superiority in his fists then Hyper Sonic but I agree with everything else above.

      Porygon’s brother/cousin/son FRA

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    • ShakeResounding wrote: Good match!

      The way I see it, Sonic's versatility is really the thing that snags him the win here. It would essentially be a stalemate due to having the exact same AP, and the slight (if at all) skill advantage Classic Sonic has here would be negligible. It would only be a matter of time until Sonic uses the Wisps or Ring Time here. And whule Knuckles has thise tbings as well, Sonic will definitely be more inclined to use them before Knuckles does.

      My vote's on Classic Sonic here.

      Classic Sonic would not be more likely to use Wisps then Knuckles at all Shake, he only had them in Generations and because of time travel, outside of that he hasn't used them, meanwhile Knuckles actualy used them multiple times in Runners and TSR, and Knuckles is definitvely has a skill advantage here, Classic Knuckles is already comparable to Classic Sonic and this Knuckles is literaly more experienced plus can even scale to Modern Sonic's skill

      I vote Knuckles via his skill and experience togheter with the fact he has used the Wisps way more than Classic Sonic and has used Ring Time as much as him, what really helps Knuckles is having way more fights then Classic Sonic had

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    • Sonic:2

      Knux:1

      Incon:0

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    • I would probably say Hyper Sonic, since classic sonic battled knuckles and defeated him, and since both are hyper and can use wisps, I don't see how things will be any different here.

      Also, Sonic have his hyper flash to immediately escape in another direction, and it can potentially and/or temporarily bilnd knuckles too (since it's a flash of light)

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    • Sonic:3

      Knux:1

      Incon:0

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    • Gilad Hyperstar wrote: I would probably say Hyper Sonic, since classic sonic battled knuckles and defeated him, and since both are hyper and can use wisps, I don't see how things will be any different here.

      Also, Sonic have his hyper flash to immediately escape in another direction, and it can potentially and/or temporarily bilnd knuckles too (since it's a flash of light)

      Except Classic Knuckles lost to Classic Sonic, not modern Knuckles, modern Knuckles is comparable to Modern Sonic who is already stronger than Classic

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    • Except Classic Knuckles lost to Classic Sonic, not modern Knuckles, modern Knuckles is comparable to Modern Sonic who is already stronger than Classic

      Oops! Meant to say Classic Knuckles lost to Classic Sonic, not Modern Knuckles

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    • Still don't think it would be any difference than before since Hyper Knuckles, Modern or Classic, is still At least Low 2-C

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    • Yeah, and this is modern Hyper Knuckles, so Classic Sonic beating that Knux is irrelevant here, plus Knuckles has his own Flash attack that can paralise opponents up to 20 seconds

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    • Gilad Hyperstar wrote: Still don't think it would be any difference than before since Hyper Knuckles, Modern or Classic, is still At least Low 2-C

      Yes they have the same AP, but Knuckles has way more experience than his past self, being able to fight and sometimes even beat Modern Sonic, so Classic Sonic beating a younger and inexperienced Knux isn't relevant for this fight since Knuckles has grow from it unlike Classic

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    • Sonic has the Hyper Flash that damages enemies caught in its path and also Time Break which can slow Knuckles to a crawl. I’m giving it to Sonic as those abilities would give him the edge here.

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    • Knuckles has his own Earthquake attack that counters hyper flash, plus he could just dig underground to dodge it since he already knows the move, Time Break is a problem but Classic definitvely doesn't abuse on it, plus Power Flash should be able to do the same as time break by making Sonic into a sitting duck

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    • Hyper Knuckles's earthquake shock is limited only when he glides fast enough, so he can't activate it as much as Classic Sonic, who can use it almost anytime he likes

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    • If we are really using gameplay mechanics like that Sonic can only use Hyper Flash once per jump, plus Knuckles has hammer punch which does the same

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    • Sonic:4 (ShakeResounding, ElixirBlue, Gilad Hyperstar, ShadowWarrior1999)

      Knux:1 (Theuser 789)

      Incon:0

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    • Fair point. If it's only game mechanic then it's ok for him to use it on the ground. Sonic is still quicker with his Flash though so it wouldn't really change much as the flash counters the earthquake attack just as the latter counters the former

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    • Theuser789 wrote:
      Knuckles has his own Earthquake attack that counters hyper flash, plus he could just dig underground to dodge it since he already knows the move

      Sonic can just abuse his Hyper Flash and Knuckles will need to get out of the ground to attack Sonic, so idk how it really helps him

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    • Theuser789 wrote:

      ShakeResounding wrote: Good match!

      The way I see it, Sonic's versatility is really the thing that snags him the win here. It would essentially be a stalemate due to having the exact same AP, and the slight (if at all) skill advantage Classic Sonic has here would be negligible. It would only be a matter of time until Sonic uses the Wisps or Ring Time here. And whule Knuckles has thise tbings as well, Sonic will definitely be more inclined to use them before Knuckles does.

      My vote's on Classic Sonic here.

      I vote Knuckles via his skill and experience togheter with the fact he has used the Wisps way more than Classic Sonic and has used Ring Time as much as him, what really helps Knuckles is having way more fights then Classic Sonic had

      Sonic has explicitly said Knuckles' attacks are easy to read within Sonic Battle. You know what that means? It means that Knuckles could be in hundreds of more fights than Classic Sonic and it still wouldn't matter here if Classic Sonic has even remotely enough skill and predictions to dodge them.

      Fair point on the Wisps, but the difference is that Knuckles doesn't have them in Standard Equipment. Sonic, however, does. So it doesn't matter, you can't use things you don't have. Also, Classic Sonic and Knuckles has used Ring Time the same amount. Difference is that Classic is more of a combat pragmatist than Knuckles is, making it that Sonic will draw ut quicker than Knuckles will.

      So Sonic still takes this.

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    • Gilad Hyperstar wrote:

      Theuser789 wrote:
      Knuckles has his own Earthquake attack that counters hyper flash, plus he could just dig underground to dodge it since he already knows the move

      Sonic can just abuse his Hyper Flash and Knuckles will need to get out of the ground to attack Sonic, so idk how it really helps him

      Hyper Flash still isn't going to do much damage thanks to invulnerability

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    • The same can be said for Knuckles's attack as well since Sonic have invulnerability as well, so again, that doesn't really help Knuckles to win

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    • "Sonic has explicitly said Knuckles' attacks are easy to read within Sonic Battle. You know what that means? It means that Knuckles could be in hundreds of more fights than Classic Sonic and it still wouldn't matter here if Classic Sonic has even remotely enough skill and predictions to dodge them."

      That was just Sonic giving Emerl confidence and mocking Knuckles, if that was true Knuckles shouldn't even be able to hit modern Sonic at all which he can hit Sonic in his fights and his other Rlrivals as well, plus you are also ignoring that Knuckles has more experience fighting Sonic than the contrary in this fight and a more experienced Sonic did that cocky statment, so Knuckles knows how Classic can fight and counter it as well unlike Classic which in this time period only has one fight against Knuckles which Tails was even helping him while Knuckles has many more fights versus even more experienced Sonic and other foes

      "Fair point on the Wisps, but the difference is that Knuckles doesn't have them in Standard Equipment. Sonic, however, does. So it doesn't matter, you can't use things you don't have. Also, Classic Sonic and Knuckles has used Ring Time the same amount. Difference is that Classic is more of a combat pragmatist than Knuckles is, making it that Sonic will draw ut quicker than Knuckles will."

      Classic Sonic definitvely shouldn't have Wisps has standard when he only met them via time travel and he hasn't met one in his dimension, meanwhile Knuckles should have Wisps as standard because of Runners and multiple Wisps joining Knuckles in his jorney in that game. Knuckles is also a combat pragmastic, he definitvely is more hot headed and goes into fighting head first but so does Classic, Knuckles has show multiple times he can use his equipment to help him, also Knuckles has the Maximum Heat Attack to boost his attack power and Knuckles heal to heal damage, unlike Classic

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    • Also thanks to you I reminded myself Classic Sonic shouldn't have every Wisp, only Burst and Spikes since he uses them in Generations, maybe the Runners one if he appeared in one of the special story missions, but he shouldn't have Violet Void for example

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    • Gilad Hyperstar wrote: The same can be said for Knuckles's attack as well since Sonic have invulnerability as well, so again, that doesn't really help Knuckles to win

      Digging makes Sonic unable to know where Knuckles is, plus it's a unknow attack to Classic so he isn't going to be expecting it unlike Knux and Hyper Flash

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    • Theuser789 wrote:

      Digging makes Sonic unable to know where Knuckles is, plus it's a unknow attack to Classic so he isn't going to be expecting it unlike Knux and Hyper Flash

      For the first few times, yeah, but after Knuckles will start spamming it Classic Sonic will start to expect his techniques as well

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    • Except Knuckles won't spam the same moves before he finishes the fight, digging is one of his many ways to beat Sonic, he can just paralize him with Power Flash as well and use a Wisp

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    • The new porcupine on the block with the buff chest FRA

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    • I'm assuming that's a vote for knux, correct me if I'm wrong

      Sonic:4 (ShakeResounding, ElixirBlue, Gilad Hyperstar, ShadowWarrior1999)

      Knux:2 (Theuser 789, Listentomyrhythm)

      Incon:0

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    • That's a Unknow from M.E reference so that's definitvely a vote for Knuckles

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    • Oh didn't know that, ok then

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    • Hyper Sonic FRA.

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    • Sonic:5 (ShakeResounding, ElixirBlue, Gilad Hyperstar, ShadowWarrior1999, PapiSavitar5025)

      Knux:2 (Theuser 789, Listentomyrhythm)

      Incon:0

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    • Maybe a reiteration of why Hyper Knuckles would win would help?

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    • Sonic FRA

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    • I wish people debated those FRA when I refuted most of them but I guess that's how it is 

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    • Sonic:6 (ShakeResounding, ElixirBlue, Gilad Hyperstar, ShadowWarrior1999, PapiSavitar5025, lonliosite)

      Knux:2 (Theuser 789, Listentomyrhythm)

      Incon:0

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    • @Theuser789

      ElixirBlue wrote: Maybe a reiteration of why Hyper Knuckles would win would help?

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    • Okay, Classic Sonic reasons were he used Wisps more in character which was debunked, ring time which Knuckles uses just as much

      Meanwhile Knuckles wins via having more experience fighting Sonic than this Sonic has of Knuckles, better skill and moves Sonic doesn't know how to counter while Knuckles knows most of the main moves of Classic, the fact that he would use Wisps way more in character, and he has way more moves that can stun Sonic like Power Flash and Thunder Arrow while Sonic only has time break, and that invulnerability and the Earthquake attack counters Hyper Flash

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    • Hyper Flash also counters Hyper Knuckles's earthquake, Since they're both comparable in AP. Sonic using Time break is very problematic for Knuckles too, as well as Hyper Flash being a light based attack can also potentially blind Knuckles too.

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    • Both Hyper Flash and the Earthquake attack are useless here because invulnerability, and Hyper Flash has never show to cause blindness in game, even versus both Eggman and Knuckles in that game, so we can't assume It, meanwhile Power Flash actualy paralyses the opponent for 20 seconds or more

      Knuckles would use Power Flash/Wisps way more than Sonic would use Time Break since he only used it in Generations post game (which make the move canocity in Classic questionable) and nowhere else unlike the moves that Knuckles can finish the fight

      You haven't adreesed any of the other reasons

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    • Both Hyper Flash and the Earthquake attack are useless here because invulnerability, and Hyper Flash has never show to cause blindness in game, even versus both Eggman and Knuckles in that game, so we can't assume It, meanwhile Power Flash actualy paralyses the opponent for 20 seconds or more

      Knuckles would use Power Flash/Wisps way more than Sonic would use Time Break since he only used it in Generations post game (which make the move canocity in Classic questionable) and nowhere else unlike the moves that Knuckles can finish the fight

      You haven't adreesed any of the other reasons

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    • He could have the advantage with wisps, but they're not on his standard equipment (Classic Sonic don't have them either), so the two wouldn't use them normally anyways unless specified that they can use them here.

      The Paralysis is problematic for Sonic to counter, but Sonic also have better regeneration than Knuckles (Accordimg to Classic Sonic's profile he got mid regen while Knuckles don't seem to have regen) so unless Knuckles can kill him with one punch (which I don't know if he can since both have invulnerability and comparable AP/Durability) I don't see Knuckles doing permanent damage to Sonic

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    • Yes, Wisps are standard equipment for Knuckles, I explained this before in a old thread, in Runners the Wisps expecificaly follow Team Sonic around helping them, modern Team Sonic

      Knuckles should have it as well, and both of their invulnerability will counter Ap feats and physical blows anyways so what matters is the hax which I proved Knuckles uses more of it

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    • When Super Sonic fought Mother Wisp in the 3DS game, was he invulnerable against her attacks?

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    • Again, even if Knuckles had Wisps in his Standard Equipment, that doesn't mean he's gonna use them any faster than Classic uses then. If anything, Classic will draw the gun due to him being better as a combat pragmatist. It wouldn't change much.

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    • What? I already explained multiple times Shake of why Knuckles would use the Wisps more than Classic, you know, the ones that he only had because of time travel, he being a combat pragmastic ( which Knuckles is also lol) wouln't make him use aluens which he doesn't even know, and only Asteiroid would actualy help him in this fight because of invulnerability and I still need to check if Classic actualy appeared in Runners in a actual mission, Classic Sonic only used the Wisps in Planet Wisps, unlike Knuckles and his modern self he doesn't even know how important they are in a fight

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    • ElixirBlue wrote: When Super Sonic fought Mother Wisp in the 3DS game, was he invulnerable against her attacks?

      The Mother Wisp didn't use any hax attacks in the fight that bypasses dura

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    • Knuckles is far from a combat pragmatist. The guy, while very gifted on combat, is a brute by comparison. When has he gone toe-to-toe with Shadow? Silver? While Classic hasn't either, the point is that he has far more willingless to rely on his hax than Knuckles does.

      So my point still stands.

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    • Huh, Classic is also a brute, he fell for all of Classic Knuckles traps, which modern is obviously superior, and ran head on to fight a Metal Sonic with all devem emeralds

      Knuckles used multiple traps in 3&K, all of which Sonic fell for before brute strengh, he is way more likely to use hax that he knows against a foe who he knows the exact strengh, than Classic which will probaly underestimate Knuckles based on his experiences with his Knuckles

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    • Sonic FRA.

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    • Theuser789 is making sense to me actually.

      I’m switching to Knuckles FRA for now.

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    • Sonic:6 (ShakeResounding, Gilad Hyperstar, ShadowWarrior1999, PapiSavitar5025, lonliosite, XSOULOFCINDERX)

      Knux:3 (Theuser 789, Listentomyrhythm, ElixirBlue)

      Incon:0

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    • Theuser789 wrote:
      Huh, Classic is also a brute, he fell for all of Classic Knuckles traps, which modern is obviously superior, and ran head on to fight a Metal Sonic with all devem emeralds

      Knuckles used multiple traps in 3&K, all of which Sonic fell for before brute strengh, he is way more likely to use hax that he knows against a foe who he knows the exact strengh, than Classic which will probaly underestimate Knuckles based on his experiences with his Knuckles

      I would say that It's mostly game mechanics, since most of them is how you advance to the next level. Also, I think that since he was an ally of Eggman at the time, Knux probably got help from him to set the trap. Also, if we're going by that, then Classic Sonic easily won against Classic Knux

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    • You can't just say that all the traps are game mechanics when the Classic games are literaly pure gameplay and the mannual references them, boss dificulty is diferent then canon dificult, otherwise the carnival zone barrel is the hardest boss, plus if you are going by that then Knuckles one shotted Super Sonic in base and the Big Arms can take Sonic out of his super form but it can't for Knuckles

      The Big Arms example is actualy gameplay mechanics, not the traps, otherwise in Sonic 2 Sonic talking Eggman's spaceship to go to the Death Egg is also gameplay mechanics, they are cutscenes and Sonic fell for them, and the fact that Knuckles even makes traps goes against he being a brute

      Eggman helping Knuckles in the traps is headcanon and requires more assumptions then Knuckles making them himself, going against Occam's razor

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    • Theuser789 wrote:
      You can't just say that all the traps are game mechanics when the Classic games are literaly pure gameplay and the mannual references them, boss dificulty is diferent then canon dificult, otherwise the carnival zone barrel is the hardest boss, plus if you are going by that then Knuckles one shotted Super Sonic in base and the Big Arms can take Sonic out of his super form but it can't for Knuckles

      The Big Arms example is actualy gameplay mechanics, not the traps, otherwise in Sonic 2 Sonic talking Eggman's spaceship to go to the Death Egg is also gameplay mechanics, they are cutscenes and Sonic fell for them, and the fact that Knuckles even makes traps goes against he being a brute

      Eggman helping Knuckles in the traps is headcanon and requires more assumptions then Knuckles making them himself, going against Occam's razor

      Big Arm taking Super Sonic is a glitch, so it's not reliable to use, and Knuckles taking out Super Sonic is an outlier for Knuckles, since later we see Super Sonic battles Knuckles, and he can't hit him while transformed.

      Also, If we're not going to include gameplay mechanics, then Knuckles's traps should not be counted too, since they literally only exist in order to get Sonic to the next zone

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    • Knuckles traps can literaly happen mid level and are stated to be such in the level, the classic games are pure gameplay, it's like saying burning Angel Island is only a gameplay mechanic, or Sonic using Eggman's ship to go to the Death Egg, or Eggman stealing the Master Emerald, those are cutscenes but in the classic games, you can't even move Sonic in those. Knuckles canonicaly made multiple traps Sonic fell for and lead a army for six months

      I was using examples of actual gameplay mechanics to show why your logic doesn't help you

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    • Sonic can't move either when he faces Knuckles, so how are those different than Eggman stealing the Master Emerald?

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    • My point was that those weren't mechanics just like Knuckles traps aren't, re read my comment

      My point is that you think Knuckles traps are gameplay mechanics because they make Sonic go from stage to stage, then all of my examples are as well, which they obviously aren't

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    • Big Arms fighting Super Sonic is a gameplay mechanic. It can be fought using base Sonic.

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    • ShadowWarrior1999 wrote:
      Big Arms fighting Super Sonic is a gameplay mechanic. It can be fought using base Sonic.

      Exactly. And it was a glitch

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    • I know, that wasn't my point people, I already explained it

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    • I get what you are saying, User. But I thought those traps were already put there to defend Angel Island? Before sonic and Eggman came.

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    • The fact that Knuckles even made them shows he doesn't use brute strengh everytime

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    • Made? Not ancient defenses made by his ancestors?

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    • There's no proof of that, Occam's razor would imply Knuckles did it because it requires the least assumptions and we don't see any traps in Adventure

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    • Didn't mentioned it before, but unless Knuckles has prep time, he wouldn't be able to to make the traps while in the middle of the battle

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    • The traps don't matter, this is simple, those were examples that Knuckles is also a combat pragmastic and thus will use his hax

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    • “Least amount of assumptions”? That would be true if we’ve seen anything mechanical that Knuckles has displayed. We haven’t, yet, thanks to SA1, we do know Knuckles’s ancestors were ancient builders who built the Lost Temple (world).

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    • Even if Knuckles didn't make them, the fact he used them proves he isn't just a brute

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    • Hm. I was about to say something about how Sonic isn’t a brute either but that mostly applies to Modern Sonic.

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    • Classic Sonic mostly runs into fights head on without thinking much before it

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    • ElixirBlue wrote:
      Hm. I was about to say something about how Sonic isn’t a brute either but that mostly applies to Modern Sonic.

      Sonic is still much more pragmatic then Knuckles, and the events of Sonic CD, where he have to literally fix the timelines from Robotnik's control, means that he's more than a speedy brute

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    • Classic isn't more combat pragmastic then modern Knuckles, Classic yes but modern no, in CD Sonic literaly went to the past and smashed the robot generators, that isn't a skill feat when this Sonic fell into almost every trap by Knuckles and fought a Super Metal Sonic without even thinking before fighting him

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    • Sonic falling into Knuckles's traps is game mechanics though, since he can't  move and avoid these traps. Logically, if it would ctually happen Sonic won't just sit there and do nothing while Knuckles do whatever he wants

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    • I already explained why they aren't, they are literaly plot essencial this is becoming circular because you are repeating what I already refuted

      Using this logic of Sonic doesn't move so gameplay mechanics then literaly every plot important cutscenes of Sonic 2 and 3 are às well

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    • Knuckles FRA

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    • Sonic:6 (ShakeResounding, Gilad Hyperstar, ShadowWarrior1999, PapiSavitar5025, lonliosite, XSOULOFCINDERX)

      Knux:4 (Theuser 789, Listentomyrhythm, ElixirBlue, Mister6ame6)

      Incon:0

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    • User seems to make the most sense here out of anyone arguing. Voting Knuckles FRA.

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    • Sonic:6 (ShakeResounding, Gilad Hyperstar, ShadowWarrior1999, PapiSavitar5025, lonliosite, XSOULOFCINDERX)

      Knux:5 (Theuser 789, Listentomyrhythm, ElixirBlue, Mister6ame6, Inverted Tempest)

      Incon:0

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    • Knux Fra

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    • Sonic:6 (ShakeResounding, Gilad Hyperstar, ShadowWarrior1999, PapiSavitar5025, lonliosite, XSOULOFCINDERX)

      Knux:6 (Theuser 789, Listentomyrhythm, ElixirBlue, Mister6ame6, Inverted Tempest, Epsilon R)

      Incon:0

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    • Completely even!

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    • That's inconclusive match

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    • grace for incon.

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    • Incon? Or grace?

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    • Both win halve of the time. They are bassically equals

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    • We didn't reach 7 votes so there's nothing

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    • Well then count my vote for incon, not sure why there isn't more income votes.

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    • Phoenks wrote:
      Well then count my vote for incon, not sure why there isn't more income votes.

      Vote for either character to start the grace time

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    • U have to have 7 votes and atleast 3 more votes than the other character to win. And no, because this is inconclusive.

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    • Phoenks wrote:
      U have to have 7 votes and atleast 3 more votes than the other character to win. And no, because this is inconclusive.

      When I said "grace" I meant for inconclusive, not for any of them winning ot losing

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    • When 2 characters get 7 votes it becomes icon? 

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    • I think yes. If there's a gap of less than 3 with one of the sides having more than 7 votes, I think it counts as inconclusive

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    • This incon only counts if there's alot of votes for each, usualy above 7, this is not incon at all, it would be incon if they had at least above 7 and it was equal

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    • So... what is this then?

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    • Nothing, just a incomplete and a slow match until more votes are get

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    • Once again, count my vote for incon.

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    • Reasons?

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    • I would still say that Sonic should win or at least not lose to Knuckles since they both have invulnerability, and Sonic have much better regen (he has mid) than Knuckles, so unless Knuckles can destroy him in one punch he'll not die. Also their AP and Durability are very close to each other in these forms

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    • Except as explained Knuckles is winning by hax that bypasses that regen, invulnerability would already made it impossible for either Sonic or Knuckles to lose to each other physically, so Ap and regen are irrelevant

      But Knuckles skill and experience give him the edge to use his hax first, thus my reasons

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    • But doesn't this hax comes from wisps that Knuckles shouldn't normally have? IIRC, the wisps only really followed modern Sonic, not also Tails and Knuckles, so Knuckles won't be able to use them unless specified I think

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    • I'm voting incon because both sides have made good arguments and it dosent seem like there is a clear Victor to this fight. So incon fra.

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    • @Phoenks Just vote for one of them, it will lead to an incon anyway. We can't add the match otherwise

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    • Gilad Hyperstar wrote: But doesn't this hax comes from wisps that Knuckles shouldn't normally have? IIRC, the wisps only really followed modern Sonic, not also Tails and Knuckles, so Knuckles won't be able to use them unless specified I think

      Except I already explained that he has them before, in Runners the Wisps followed both Sonic, Tails and Knuckles

      Dude no offense but you are just repeating things I already refuted

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    • Theuser789 wrote:

      Except I already explained that he has them before, in Runners the Wisps followed both Sonic, Tails and Knuckles

      Dude no offense but you are just repeating things I already refuted

      If then, why they don't appear as part of his standard equipment? Also, I don't remember Knuckles using that specific wisp for that hax so that would be OOC for him.

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    • Because it's outdated, and yes, he has used them in the games I mentioned, or at least wayyyyy more than Classic Sonic who only used them because of time travel and doesn't even know them

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    • this is going to end up like Boros vs Garou. Eventually someone will close this and add it as incon.

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    • Omg, this Sonic vs Knuckles is like Boros vs Garou

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    • Theuser789 wrote:
      Because it's outdated, and yes, he has used them in the games I mentioned, or at least wayyyyy more than Classic Sonic who only used them because of time travel and doesn't even know them

      But did he used that specific wisp? Since I don't think he used all of them or have all of them in his access all the time. Also, I don't think Knuckles in character really used the wisps in his fights as much as Sonic

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    • Knuckles FRA (he has way more experience, more power-ups and fought against super forms in the pass).

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    • Yes, as explained Knuckles has Wisps and had used them

      Maybe not more than modern Sonic but definitvely more than Classic

      Seriously dude, we already went over this, this is circular arguments

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    • Ok, you convinced me. If he does have all the wisp then he can win with your reaons.

      Maybe I'll switch to Knux to end this more quickly.

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    • Grace for knux

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    • It's not grace yet since it's still 7-5

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    • Sonic:5 (ShakeResounding, ShadowWarrior1999, PapiSavitar5025, lonliosite, XSOULOFCINDERX)

      Knux:8 (Theuser 789, Listentomyrhythm, ElixirBlue, Mister6ame6, Inverted Tempest, Epsilon R, The Axiom of Virgo, Gilad Hyperstar)

      Incon:1 (Phoenks)

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    • There's 8 for knux

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    • Sonic FRA

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    • Apparently I can't count the number of names listed correctly, edited the post

      Also, Grace for Knux

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    • Not really anymore

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    • Now there's grace

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    • Get ninja'd

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    • Sonic:6 (ShakeResounding, ShadowWarrior1999, PapiSavitar5025, lonliosite, XSOULOFCINDERX, BigSmoke4269)

      Knux:8 (Theuser 789, Listentomyrhythm, ElixirBlue, Mister6ame6, Inverted Tempest, Epsilon R, The Axiom of Virgo, Gilad Hyperstar)

      Incon:1 (Phoenks)

      No more Grace currently

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    • Guys, this is Grace for Incon

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    • BigSmoke4269 wrote: Sonic FRA

      Did you just do that so it would be incon or did you actualy read the thread?

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    • Epsilon R wrote: Guys, this is Grace for Incon

      Incon is more like when there's alot of votes, not when the votes take forever, let Sonic reach at least 7 for that

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    • Fists FRA

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    • Grace restarts

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    • Sonic:6 (ShakeResounding, ShadowWarrior1999, PapiSavitar5025, lonliosite, XSOULOFCINDERX, BigSmoke4269)

      Knux:9 (Theuser 789, Listentomyrhythm, ElixirBlue, Mister6ame6, Inverted Tempest, Epsilon R, The Axiom of Virgo, Gilad Hyperstar, MrLuk2000)

      Incon:1 (Phoenks)

      Grace

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    • Theuser789 wrote:

      Epsilon R wrote: Guys, this is Grace for Incon

      Incon is more like when there's alot of votes, not when the votes take forever, let Sonic reach at least 7 for that

      Grace for Incon is either when the Inconclusive side has >7 votes or when both sides has a difference inferior to 3 votes with one of the sides having at least 7 votes

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    • Oh, then this is Knuckles win over Sonic.

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    • First time in history Knuckles won against Sonic

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    • Not yet, if someone votes for Sonic, Grace will restart for incon

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    • Grace is over and Knuckles won, I added it to Knuckles profile and requested it to be added to Classic Sonic's

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    • GlaceonGamez471 wrote: Grace is over and Knuckles won, I added it to Knuckles profile and requested it to be added to Classic Sonic's

      You don't need to also put a link to the Sonic universe page. Linking to Classic Sonic alone is much better

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    • Alright, edited

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    • Jesus Christ! At first I thought Sonic was winning, but Knux beats him? Damn User lmao

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    • This is honestly very surprising, good for you Knux. I know it doesn't matter since it's already added, but Knuckles fra.

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    • It was added to Knux's page. Don't kniw about Sonic

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    • Hasn't been added to Sonic's yet, but it is in the request thread

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    • A FANDOM user
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