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  • Round 8 of my Sans fights. I guess more an arena than a tournament. But too late to rename. Getting close to 10. Which is gonna be a special fight. Here though. He fights the Better Superman. Super Brainz.

    Super Brainz vs Sans

    Speed is equal

    SBA aside from that

    Sans:

    Super Brainz: 7

    Inconclusive/Draw:

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    • I have to side with Super Brainz with the Superior Strength and Dura ikity. When the guy is casually MCB+ he can basically handle anything sans has and can deal alot more to him. Also Sans Gravity Manipulation won’t work. Frisk who is Small Building can resist it enough that they can jump a few meters. So a person who is MCB+ at least should feel 0 effect. Also he has the massive range advantage which means he can stay as far as he needs to kill sans if he doesnt want to get up close So Victory Super Brainz

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    • Super Brainz FRA

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    • Two for Brainz

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    • Metalthegear12 wrote:

      I agree with him winning via stats, in addition to Super Stench and possibly BFR (dunno how Super Brainz's BFR works). However, I don't think him being more powerful than Frisk would change the Gravity Manip's effect. His flight, on the other hand, likely would.



      also... Sans has the range advantage. dunno what you're looking at

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    • Reasons above basically go over it. Brainz has a range that can shoot across the map and explode with AOE. Which definitely could catch Sans off guard. And there is no way Sans Gravity Manipulation is pulling him out of the sky. MCB+ >>>>> Small Building. He could easily resist. And Cut down could null Sans Powers too. Which makes sans as dead as you can get. Super Brainz could just fly up and snipe Sans. And while Sans may be able to dodge sometimes. An AOE explosion would catch him off guard. And or he will grow tired eventually. And has no way to get Super Brainz down. And again. Cut down screws sans over. Or summoning and overwhelm sans with several zombies. So for those and reasons above

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    • I think it’s cause his range is wrong currently. His range shoots across the map. Several meters was just a place holder. But his attacks do reach out farther.

      And gravity manipulation would be resisted. Frisk managed to fight it back whos Small Building. So Brainz who is MCB shouldn't have issues

      And 3 for brainz

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    • 4 now. Oof.

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    • What about Sans' soul hax? Does that get negged by higher durability?

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    • It can negate durability yes. But they were saying touching him is too hard since he can fly and Sans can’t counter with with GM since it isn’t nearly strong enough.

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    • But Gaster Blaster Tho.

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    • Super brainz has lasers too though

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    • Okay. I was going off the profile, since I haven't played the game. That should be revised then.



      but yeah, voting for the Zombie

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    • Alrighty. 3 votes needed

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    • super brainz also has an attack that pursues his opponent in case sans manages to dodge their attacks, plus that this super ball can do area damage to affect sans, between it also has telestraportacion demonstrating in the following video.
      https://youtu.be/PY70I1f_ZUY?t=231

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    • Oh that is true.


      Also. Is that a vote for super brainz?

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    • yes.

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    • That’s 5 2 votes needed

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    • Gravity Manipulation can't be resisted by AP. That's not how it works. Like, not even remotely.

      Brainz can't remotely fight danmaku and as for his range, being able to shoot a far distance and being able to do so accurately are very different things.

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    • Except, someone who was Small Building resisted it. Sans Magic isn’t nearly strong enough to pull Super brainz out of Flight. He could effect him while he was standing at best. But no way he is pulling in down. He doesn’t increase gravity. He more so changes it. And him throwing Super brainz would require overpowering him. Which he isn’t doing. Neither lifting more magic strength is strong enough.


      And your own argument can be used against you. He does have a way to counter, called flying. Sans doesn’t have counters to targeting attacks. Or to AOE attacks.

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    • That's what I said. Don't know why people are saying that his  AP resists Gravity Manip. If anything Super Brainz has can resist Gravity Manip, it's his flight. We don't know how Sans fights against someone who flies, though it's likely it would just make it a bit harder to do so.

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    • Sans magic is weaker than Super brainz which is why. The magic would need to overpower him to actually work. Which it couldn’t at his power. Which is why it’s being said he could overpower it, since he is a nice chunk stronger. And weaker people have fought back before.

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    • Super Stench just makes Brainz' attacks OHKO, meaning he still needs to land a hit. Sans just danmakus with Soulhax. My vote is for the funny skeleton man.

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    • although danmaku is a dangerous move, super brainz can destroy it with its diverse techniques such as multiple super balls, or the fireball itself, since its danmaku is still an objective and more for air damage, super brainz has dealt with guys who teleport before (superbean) sans is nothing new.
      Besides, his attacks can cross entire maps.
      and all this without counting his skills he gets in bfn.

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    • @TUHT

      No. He can't. He dosn't have enough projectiles to counter all of Sans'. Not even remotely.

      Dealing with other teleporters dosn't matter since Sans is just really good at dodging and dosn't spam teleport to dodge, but to teleport others into attacks.

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    • His AOE attacks can tag sans with general ease since Sans couldn’t avoid them, And targeting attacks which one shot and Sans is dead. And flight is a good counter. If it came to a quick draw, Brainz attack’s both target and can AOE.

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    • What AOE attacks?

      Also, Sans is capable of teleporting to avoid attacks and can spam it. Sans wouldn't just stand there and take it if he could avoid it. That's how he works.

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    • Super Brainz Fra

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    • Area of effects. Covers a wide range in attack. Explosions essentially

      And no. No no no. Sorry, but This reason always is brought up and I don’t like it. It isn’t a valid reason. Sans never at any point used teleportation to dodging. And there is 0 reason to believe he would. Sans teleporting dodging is not a reason that should be used unless he is bloodlusted

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    • the projectiles have area damage, i.e. even if you dodge it and the damage will spread to the nearby area which affects opponent comparable to super brainz, so if you are lucky enough to dodge one of those projectiles, it will still hit you.
      the sans bones don't have a real hardness in the game we only saw how it destroyed frisk, they were never attacked with something with the super fireball pot, so the bones would easily be destroyed by their projectiles like their laser, or simply destroy it with their tornado, besides the same can telestraport behind sans and shoot it with a random hit.
      he can only get away from the sans attack air and simply spam from the air with super fireballs and super fireball remote control.

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    • I doubt those explosions are map-wide, so Sans can just be outside of their radius. He dosn't fight close up anyways.

      Sans has never used teleport to dodge because he's never had a need to. Sans himself said he wouldn't just stand there and take an attack. If dodging is an option, he would do it. Sans has very little CIS.

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    • Brainz FRA

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    • Not Map wide. But several meters. Sans can not side step those attacks. And neither does Super brainz. He has range too. He shots across the map

      And there’s no reason to assume he would here. Unless he has previous knowledge and knows that these attacks will explode, he is only gonna side step. That’s what his character does. And it’s wrong to assume he would suddenly change tactics here. And that still doesn’t stop attacks that target him.

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    • And grace

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    • Do you mean area of effect attacks? Show me a video of one.

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    • no but sans doesn't know how his area damage projectiles work, he'll believe it's just an attack like his laser and that's when he'll be defeated, even so supebrainz has an attack chasing his opponent with area damage including.
      Supebrainz as it was said can only telestraport behind him and shoot him.

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    • Yes. AOE. Area Of Effect

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    • Can you show me a video of this attack so I can see how effective it is?

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    • They have splash damage, yes, but how far does that actually extend out from the attack?

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    • A video, I said. I need to see the actual area of the explosion.

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    • Yeah, that explosion looks big enough to do what you say it does, I suppose. But that dosn't stop him from getting danmaku'd and soulhax'd before he can use it.

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    • And I could say the same thing about his attacks. Nothing stops him from one shorting right off the bat. Explosions are too big. He also has following projectiles. And he can fly and resist sans gravity manipulation. He doesn’t need to last long. One shot and flying away to dodging it is all he needs to beat Sans. And Sans isn’t going to expect him to be able to fly as he has never faced that before, nore will he expecting target attacks or AOE attacks

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    • his danmaku is physical they are not even intagibles projectiles for first not to be destroyed by his explosive projectiles, super brainz can fly and dodge it with much more facility, besides it does not change that it simply teleport behind sans and shoots it with his explosive projectile.
      and still can not dodge his projectile with area damage that pursues his opponent.

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    • Sans leads with boarderline unavoidable danmaku that's more than enough to kill someone who hasn't experienced it before. What's Super Brainz's leading move?

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    • That’s not true at all. He leads with a gravity attack followed by bones, which both he avoids by flying up. And He is plenty experienced in fights. Dodging them wouldn’t be an issue considering he just lol no with flight. Resisting both his gravity attack and bones.

      Super brainz leads with his attacks we brought up.

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    • Yeah hell in the "Bean Situation" story he starts off with his beam attacks against Super Bean

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    • He leads with that, but then a massive wave of bones and gaster blasters. And there is literally less than a second inbetween these.

      His beam attack dosn't have AOE, and as such is easily dodged. When has he led with Super Ultra Ball or similar?

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    • Wrong.

      His first attack is a gravity throw down followed by sending bones up, then a wave of bones. And then the gasters. However He has plenty of time between the first and next attacks to just fly up, sand Gravity manipulation doesn’t stop hims. So sans tries to throw him down and he just flys up and away. Then flings a ball or a target attack,

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    • @Butter

      I literally said that. If by "Plenty of time" you mean less then a second, your right.

      When has he led with Super Ultra Ball? Since it's a special move, he seems way more likely to lead with lasers or melee.

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    • You are VERY wrong there. That if totally totally wrong. There at at leas 2 seconds before he actually summons the bone wall attack. Which brainz can still fly over. Fight starts. Sans tries his gravity and Brainz flys up and away

      And it’s hard to tell what he opens opens with. He just opens with energy attacks all the time. It may be a ball. It may be a target attack. Sans is dead regardless too it.!

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    • Two seconds means jack all in a fast paced fight like this. He still will struggle to dodge the wave of bones and gaster blasters.

      An overwealming amount of Super Brainz's attacks are not Super Ultra Ball. As such, his leading move is very likely not to be Super Ultra Ball. Super Ultra Ball and Super Multi Ball are literally his only win conditions, as there's no way he's outlasting Sans' stamina before he dies. Also, you haven't added my vote to the counter yet.

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      • Insert Donald Trump WRONG meme*


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr4IYjeplJA while yes, he takes a second to actually launch the wall, the rest of his attack is indcredibly fast to follow

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    • https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Plants-vs-Zombies-Garden-Warfare/Issue-

      both in comics and in games leads with its rays, flight, and its explosive projectiles, can even create sonic applause, to move away the bones or simply destroy it with it.
      Since bean story you can see that this leads with all the above.

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    • You act as if Brainz is just gonna stand there. No. This is a fight. Of course he is gonna react and fight. You can’t use the “oh sans wouldn’t just stand there” and then act like Brainz would just stand there. It takes no time for him to take flight and fly away. So no. It doesn’t matter that it’s 2 seconds

      That’s literally not the only attack that one shots: we have been over and showed above there are target based attacks with his lasers, and he has 2 types of ultra balls he can use.

      And you are so very wrong to say that his only win condition. That’s just wrong beyond belief. He had plenty of ways to win. All his attacks could tag sans. And he has flight which sans hasn’t ever faced before and has no counter too

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    • @TUHT

      Your link leads to more or less nothing. What a player character does in gameplay means more or less nothing. Cutscenes matter far more.

      Show me proof that Super Brainz leads with one of his ball attacks over 50% of the time, and he wins. Otherwise, Sans wins more times out of ten.

      Let me put this in blunt terms.

      If Super Brainz chooses to lead with anything but one of his ball moves, he loses.

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    • No he doesn’t. You have no reason to counter flight. Your only reason is straight up wrong, you are speaking like he somehow needs more than 2 seconds to just fly up. Which is instant. He doesn’t need to charge or anything. To fly. He just flys. And you can’t say “well. There’s only 2 seconds too” because 2 seconds is plenty of time for him to do the move that is done instantly. Sans can’t counter flight. And Super could easily snipe him.

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    • Once. Literally once. If you can prove that, out of LITERALLY ALL of his scripted fights (Or parts of such) he leads with the ball more often, then you'd convince me.

      The cutscene you showed me shows two out of three Super Brainz not using Super Ultra Ball. As such, Brainz still loses.

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    • Or he could do the heroic kick which propells himself right at the enemy that deals damage. First few seconds he could do just that and catch sans off guard since they both have far different reaction times

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    • Dear lord. Am I on Death Battle Fanon wiki? Beacause that's where your arguements seem to be coming from.

      @Metal They do have far different reaction times. Sans' are better. Significantly better. He's the only character in his game capable of dodging.

      @Butter Sans' moves are all projectiles. They don't care much about flight. Super can't snipe Sans. That's not how it works.

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    • or if we also ignore that he can also telestraport behind sans and shoot him ignoring all the danmakus that are clearly physical and can be destroyed by his fireball attack.
      eh even does not prevent super brainz from being able as said before repelling all his danmaku and sans himself with a shock wave created by his applause.
      and it's funny that puts other superbrainz when we are using is the normal.
      when in the game we are shown that it has a very different personality.

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    • He is a fighting character. In comics he opens with his Asher and energy based attacks. In games the player chooses. But again. It doesn’t matter what he opens cause you yet to counter target based attacks. And to uyet to counter flight. Your only argument for flight is 100 percent wrong, like Brainz is just gonna stand there and let himself be hit. The moment the fight starts, Sans tries Gravity manipulation and it fails cause Super brainz flys away. Then uses an onslaught of Lasers from the air. Target attacks or AOE attacks. Doesn’t matter which. Sans is not gonna be able I take him down from the air

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    • @Butter

      Has he ever used Super Ultra Ball in the comics?

      I don't need to counter flight. It's barely a factor.

      I'm not saying Brainz is going to let himself be hit. I'm saying Sans won't miss because Danmaku exists.

      @TUHT

      Sans' attacks are Magic. They arn't physical.

      Telestraport means very little since Sans has literally dodged attacks while asleep.

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    • It doesn’t matter if he does. That literally doesn’t matter. If he uses target attacks or Balls of explosion. He always uses his lasers. That’s something he definitely does across all canons. Sans can dodge forever, and Stat cut BTW. Another thing which screws sans over as it makes him weaker and slower.

      And you are wrong. 100 percent wrong. If he is flying. He literally can be sniping sans and with mobility dodge or destroy sans attacks. And Sans isn’t use to fighting someone who can fly, and who can lol no his gravity manipulation. And on top of that. The fight doesn’t last long after he flies, cause Sans wouldn't except that and get attacks from above. Sans would be an easy target

      Which doesn’t work. Against Flight. He can literally just fly up. And then he isn’t in sans attack range anymore. Sans Damaku only works if he can get his opponent in it. But if he literally can fly away from it before Sans can do anything about it. On top of that, he wouldn’t expect it, giving him more Time to get away. And Sans can’t counter.

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    • Except that Sans is still more than capable of dodging or teleporting out of the way.

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    • Whatever. I'm done arguing with these Cartoon Fight Club level arguements. Another Sans loss is just a drop in the pond at this point. I can always get this removed later.

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    • comics are before gw 2, obviously we can't take this as an argument that he didn't use super fireball in his attack being that at that time he was a completely different character to the current one.
      and that they are magic does not make it intagible there is magic that is physical many times the only one that has demonstrated intagibilidad is napstablook.

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    • The Smashor wrote: Whatever. I'm done arguing with these Cartoon Fight Club level arguements. Another Sans loss is just a drop in the pond at this point. I can always get this removed later.

      The peak of Vs debate. You just being insulting. You have failed to counter several arguments and insult us. If you are going to start that kind of trash talk. I’ll talk to Staff about that.

      And just cause you disagree. Doesn’t mean this will get removed. Reasons are valid.

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    • TUHTPeaSkull12 wrote: comics are before gw 2, obviously we can't take this as an argument that he didn't use super fireball in his attack being that at that time he was a completely different character to the current one.
      and that they are magic does not make it intagible there is magic that is physical many times the only one that has demonstrated intagibilidad is napstablook.

      Also note that SB fought way stronger magic users in those comics. Like the Rose

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    • Robot972 wrote: Except that Sans is still more than capable of dodging or teleporting out of the way.

      Target attacks. Can’t dodge those. AOE attacks. Couldn’t dodge those. Normal laser attacks are constant and would require him to constantly move and tire him out quickly, assuming he even notices it’s constant too and it doesn’t tag him anyway

      And he never teleports dodges. Not in character to do so.

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    • They said that sans doesn't occupy the teleport in the form of dodging so that's already covered.
      If it dodges normally, it will be affected by the area damage of the super fireball.
      And no, nothing was really said for the arguments in favor of super brainz, it was not said how he leads with the teleport, his attack with the ability to chase others, and the fact that he can fly and attack from a distance which sans cannot reach with his attacks, he could simply start with his super kick and hit sans as he did not say anything about how far this two have.

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    • I’m know what Round 10 is gonna be. And assuming it works out. It’s gonna be controversial AF

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    • I fear what you have in store

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    • You should. You really should. If I can end this Messenger fight today. I will post this evil fight and go to sleep. Letting the explosion of debate go. (Hopefully)

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    • So sans already has two vs. with pvz uh verse characters.
      Well, I hope rose is available for a vs with him.

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