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    • Shoulda been General Awakening.

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    • You have a point

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    • There he is, smol chibi boy in all his glory.

      So thoughts on Links Reawakening? I never really liked the original simply due to the GB limitations making it so I had to spend so much time opening and closing the item menu to constantly switch between all the items, but with that issue done away with thanks to the power of multiple buttons the remake is easily in the top 5 Zelda games to me.

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    • Hey, I’m the one that makes new threads!

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    • Should've used the Pegasus Boots or Bunny Hood to be fast enough to have made it yourself ovo.

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    • Dust Collector wrote: There he is, smol chibi boy in all his glory.

      So thoughts on Links Reawakening? I never really liked the original simply due to the GB limitations making it so I had to spend so much time opening and closing the item menu to constantly switch between all the items, but with that issue done away with thanks to the power of multiple buttons the remake is easily in the top 5 Zelda games to me.

      Link’s Awakening DX was already my favorite 2D Zelda game despite its technical limitations. So yeah, I’m basically binge drinking the entire game given how good it is lol

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    • I'm loving what ive seen about the remake, the only problem that ive been hearing is that the framerate jumps around a lot.

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    • TriforcePower1 wrote:
      Hey, I’m the one that makes new threads!

      You thought it would be recurring vs battle zelda fan.

      but it was me

      Closet Zelda fan.

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    • Speaking of limitations I heard wind walker Link was supposed to grow up during the course of the adventure and look slightly older at the end of the game.

      That's why Komali looks so grown up when we see him again.

      Just looking at chibi link makes me want to hug him and tell him he did good that were all proud of him.

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      this guy knows what's up
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    • We need to defend 3-A zelda

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    • AshenCrow777 wrote:
      We need to defend 3-A zelda

      Nah, I don't feel like it.

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    • Why?

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    • The better question is...uh...nevermind there is no better question.

      Anyway has anyone see those videos of someone recreating all of A Link to the Pasts overworld in DQ Builders 2? It's rad.

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    • Dust Collector wrote: The better question is...uh...nevermind there is no better question.

      Anyway has anyone see those videos of someone recreating all of A Link to the Pasts overworld in DQ Builders 2? It's rad.

      I see and yeah I saw it that is some serious motivation to take your time to do all that? Bravo I tip my hat to them.

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    • Dust Collector wrote:
      The better question is...uh...nevermind there is no better question.

      Anyway has anyone see those videos of someone recreating all of A Link to the Pasts overworld in DQ Builders 2? It's rad.

      Give the fanbase a tool to build stuff or mod, and a couple of weeks and the wonders will begin to pop up. It's amazing

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    • Hahaha I didn't even know you could dodge lightning In BOTW, what an absolute mad lad https://www.reddit.com/r/Breath_of_the_Wild/comments/9nugmw/looks_like_i_did_a_flurry_rush_by_dodging/

      Hell link was still so freaking fast the effect of lightning stayed even longer. That should be on his page as an other solid feat dodging sky to earth lightning like that, and to think this link wasn't at full power lol.

      Edit:Looking at it again it stayed frozen in place not even the little spark were moving, it stayed frozen until flurry rush was completely over.

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    • I wonder if that’s calculable, because it would upgrade Zelda’s movement speed.

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    • I've seen that feat calculated at about 764 trillion times the speed of light. Also Uncle Nando is a tall boi.

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    • That reminds me of a dirty comment I’ve once seen accompanied with the image

      764 trillions FTL.

      Wtf?!

      Oh wait, you’re probably joking oof

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    • I think it is I mean it supports the feat/or is supported by the fact link can go up against thunder blight Ganon. Lol Link is smaller than Zelda (its probably her boots heels) and midna make sense Ganondorf is a big Boi as always.

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    • You mean how Link while standing straight up can give Ganon a

      Yeah I'm joking lol, would be hilarious if it did get calc'd at such ridiculous speeds tho. Don't think the feat would improve movement speed since Flurry Rush deals with slowing down Links perception/boosting his reactions and short burst moments rather than continuous movement speed, would more than likely be another combat/reaction speed feat. Although something that could improve movement speed are the drones deployed by Vah Rudania while you're trying to scale Death Mountain, they fly at speeds noticeably comparable to their searchlights.

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    • I'll do my best to calc the feat. 

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    • AshenCrow777 wrote: Hahaha I didn't even know you could dodge lightning In BOTW, what an absolute mad lad https://www.reddit.com/r/Breath_of_the_Wild/comments/9nugmw/looks_like_i_did_a_flurry_rush_by_dodging/

      Hell link was still so freaking fast the effect of lightning stayed even longer. That should be on his page as an other solid feat dodging sky to earth lightning like that, and to think this link wasn't at full power lol.

      Edit:Looking at it again it stayed frozen in place not even the little spark were moving, it stayed frozen until flurry rush was completely over.

      Yeah this needs to be calc’d

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    • yes

      I think it could be travel speed because Link can run quite lengthy distances within Flurry Rush.

      Anyway, I can ask Bambu to calc it.

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    • ZephyrosOmega wrote: I'll do my best to calc the feat. 

      Thanks mate also @Dust are sure I mean the initial strike I would understand, he dodged backwards avoiding the lightning but he still had to move forward super fast for that lighting to stay frozen like that and to connect the flurry rush.

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    • Yeah but that's a very short burst of movement instead of continuously moving. I don't care much either way and won't argue against it being movement speed but it and the drones spotlight should both be calc'd. Eyeballing the latter looks roughly Sub-Relativistic+ to Relativistic.

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    • Dust Collector wrote: Yeah but that's a very short burst of movement instead of continuously moving. I don't care much either way and won't argue against it being movement speed but it and the drones spotlight should both be calc'd. Eyeballing the latter looks roughly Sub-Relativistic+ to Relativistic.

      OH I see and yeah I understand what you mean mate.

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    • @ZephyrosOmega Great calc man apparently there's the drones light feat that dust mentioned. Also I guess Thunderblight Ganon is super fast too or no?

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    • So if it's accepted, would this scale to triforce users or just full triforce users/gods?

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    • I mean... this was a triforce-less link.

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    • So triforce users, kk.

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    • But triforce users and full triforce users are kind of above triforceless link. But than again Link himself is an exception.

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    • Welp.

      Upgrading travel speed should be no problem.

      The real problem is FTL combat speed. I can see only BOTW Link with Flurry Rush (and Full Triforce users) scaling to this, to avoid outlier claims, as no one really reacts to Flurry Rush Link.

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    • I don't see how it'd be an outlier, when are the Relativistic feats from triforce users ever done with real struggle? Especially since triforceless characters already have relativistic feats. No one in BoTW continuity is a triforce user or on par with one so I don't see a problem with scaling to triforce users and god tiers. Just no one else.

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    • I kind of agree with both of you and I understand what TP1 is trying to say say it's better to play it safe for now, since I rather avoid people coming always trying to downgrade Zelda verse and turn it into shit posting, saying that "LOL it should be at least country level" but yeah let's play it safe for now at least.

      Also dosent that make light arrows I dont know faster?

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    • The problem with trying to scale this is that this isn't Breath Links normal speed, he can only achieve these speeds during a Flurry Rush and normally can't even come close to this, trying to scale people to what is essentially a briefly amped speed feat that can only be achieved via dodging something at a specific time is tricky to say the least, full Triforce users could probs get this due to their laughably immense superiority in every way to anyone and anything that aren't the Golden Goddesses. But this should be left for a CRT. 

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    • Well technically it can be considered his normal speed to some extent since link can spam slow mo mode and flurry rush as many times he wants with no repercussions.

      Plus breath of the wild Link isn't even close to his prime after 100 year of sleep plus heavy body damage, amnesia and a plethora of other stuff.

      The other Champions diaries keeps commenting at how overly powerful Link was back in the days, hell let's not forget he was the best fighter on all of hyrule at the age of 4 and can casually deflect guardian beams with a pot lid.


      Plus other NPC's makes a lot of comments how insanely fast link his heck even his archery skill is on par with his fighting skills.


      And that was still Link that was not in his prime.

      Exit: honestly the best I can compare flurry rush is to Saber's mana burst she has het ordinary speed, but she can spam mana burst to an insane degree in order to benefit that sweet speed amp/power boost as many times she wants. So flurry rush=Mana burst

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    • Only thing, @Dust, Link can get “Flurry Rush” when he uses a bow in midair.

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    • TriforcePower1 wrote: Only thing, @Dust, Link can get “Flurry Rush” when he uses a bow in midair.

      ^^^ or parrying with his shield too

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    • I agree with Ashen

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    • Oh yeah, forgot about parrying and midair bow snipes. I always found it odd how he can enter slow-mo mode when using his bow in the air but can't activate it any other time. Parrying and perfect dodges both use the same mechcanic of getting the timing just right but then you have midair bow shots that he just kinda does, wierd design choice but I get why they did that.

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      Yeah I guess the reason why he dosent do that at will can be chalked up to game mechanics, since the moment he pulls out his bow he just go slow mo I think Daruk mention something about link activating this ability at will or subconsciously.

      Also because of Link's Awakening ending and wind fish chilling in a 4-A sky shouldn't he be fast as well, I know I talked about this with Cal and he said to play it safe but with these knew speed upgrade Wind fish feat seems more legit now.

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    • Anyways we need to wait and see if that calc is accepted in the first place, then get a CRT going for that.

      Asides from that, I found an interview with Aonuma on Majora's Mask and found an interesting explanation behind why the rupees stay in the bank.

      "Why is the bank vault in Clocktown not affected by time? Why is your money always the same when everything else resets?

      Part of this is just the most practical answer. The bank needs to maintain your rupees, otherwise you would lose them at the end of every three day cycle, despite the fact that it’s really important to build up enough money to buy things in the game. We needed to find some reason for stuff to stay in the game, and we considered the idea that there would be some kind of markings on Link’s hand that maybe you could only see if you shone a black light on them. This was talked about, the identification of his account and the current balance in it.

      This would sort of make sense in that world because every time he goes back to the beginning of that three day cycle, he goes back in time but he stays who he is, he retains everything that is part of his person. We thought that would kind of make sense, because you could just look at your hand and say, “Oh, yes, you were this person, with this account, and this is your balance.” But that still would represent a situation where the amount of money in the vault was changing over time."



      He also states bottles in zelda are pretty OP

      "Why are bottles so hard to find in the Zelda universe? Is there a shortage of glass?

      As it turns out, in this remade version of Majora’s Mask, we added one extra bottle. If you happen to collect all of them, you’re going to see a slightly interesting event. It certainly is true that they were hard to find in the original games, and we wanted to address that by giving people more chances to find bottles by adding this extra one.

      Regarding the bottles themselves being very valuable? I suppose it’s true since they can hold so many different things it makes it possible for you to do more in the game. They do have a very precious existence, from that perspective. As to why there are so few, I would simply say it has to be that way based on how powerful they are in the game."

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    • Bottles OP please nerf

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    • Calc is accepted, it seems

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    • Link MFTL...to quote Cloud himself: "Never thought I'd see the day".

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    • Finally it was about time to upgrade the speed now we have to open a CRT to k ow who scales to it.

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    • Useless objects being useful against the main villain of a Zelda game:

      Bug net against Agahnim in ALTTP

      I guess Boomerang against original Nightmares in LA (fixed in the Switch version)

      Bottles against Ganondorf (and probably Phantom Ganon as well) in OoT

      Bottles against Phantom Ganon in WW

      Fishing Rod against Ganondorf in TP

      Bug Net against Demise in SS

      Bug Net against Yuganon in ALBW

      Did I miss anyone?

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    • Cloud and Link have such and interesting rivalry. Despite being from completely different games, there is a shocking amount of things similar between them.

      Their connection is pushed even further because of the first part of the FF7 Remake is coming out on the same day that BOTW did two years ago.  

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    • TriforcePower1 wrote:
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      Aonuma stated bottles are OP

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    • Warren Valion wrote: Cloud and Link have such and interesting rivalry. Despite being from completely different games, there is a shocking amount of things similar between them.

      Their connection is pushed even further because of the first part of the FF7 Remake is coming out on the same day that BOTW did two years ago.  

      Nice catch and yeah honestly I consider these 2 fraternal brothers in gaming.

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    • Warren Valion wrote:
      Cloud and Link have such and interesting rivalry. Despite being from completely different games, there is a shocking amount of things similar between them.

      Their connection is pushed even further because of the first part of the FF7 Remake is coming out on the same day that BOTW did two years ago.  

      I honestly wish there were more friendly crossovers between the two of them. What's interesting is despite their similarities is that they also contrast in many ways that really would put an interesting dynamic betwen them: Link is a chosen hero who more than lives up to his legacy and task, Cloud is a failure who posed as someone strong and cool but became a real hero once he acknowledged his weakness and overcame it. While Link has partners, he mostly handles his missions by himself, Cloud worked with and needed the support of his friends and became a stronger person thanks to them. Link's thoughts and feelings are mostly up to interpretation, discovering the true Cloud is essential for the story of FFVII.

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    • Yeah, I feel that Link and Cloud would be a very cool crossover.

      They just play off each other immaculately. 

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    • I think the OMM would be how they’d actually fight if they came to more than a spar. With chivalry.

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    • So um...should we buff BotW Link now? Who’ll make the thread?

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    • The real cal howard wrote:
      I think the OMM would be how they’d actually fight if they came to more than a spar. With chivalry.

      OMM?

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    • One Minute Melee.

      In it, Cloud challenges Link due to a bounty on the latter, Link wins, and Link leaves Cloud with potions and rupees for him to recover. Because that’s in character for Link.

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    • Link it?

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    • I think it's time to do the thread for the speed upgrade.


      That bounty tho on Link's head in the OMM what the actual hell?!?

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    • What do we need to get Vaati's feat accepted? Because I swear to God if it's an other Wind fish situation where we are not sure that the background looks like stars which they are I'm calling Bs lol.

      But yeah what do we need I want that sweet 4-A again plus a new speed upgrade and technically single pieces of triforce should be 4-A, since the light source is basically the power of Hylia a goddess.

      So it makes sense for a single piece of triforce to rival a God in the legend of zelda, since the sages of light in twilight princess are considered deities themselves and they one shotted Ganondorf with a divine weapon too, until ToP brought him back and allowed him to one shot them.

      So light force=Hylia Light force=Single pieces of triforce Single pieces of triforce = God's and Deities of the Zelda verse

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    • I hope the hookshot comes back in Breath of the Wild 2, really missed it in the first one.

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    • Dust Collector wrote: I hope the hookshot comes back in Breath of the Wild 2, really missed it in the first one.

      I really hope too actually I want all key items of link back and permanent. Or at least let us upgrade items into their final stage so that we can make them unbreakable.

      Don't feel like using a hookshot that could break.

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    • So I have to ask but anyone here a fan of Dragon's dogma? Was thinking about opening a general discussion thread on its page but I'm asking if any of you here have played it?

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    • The real cal howard wrote:
      https://youtu.be/Rn0foCyFaB4

      I do like that Link left suppiles to ensure Cloud's safety after defeating him, but ending the fight with Triforce Slash not colliding with Omnislash is such a missed opportunity.

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    • Just a thought, but do any of you guys have any theories about Zelda? I love theories and I would like to hear some.

      Doesn't have to be BOTW 2 related, but it can be. 

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    • OoT Link married Malon. Fite me.

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    • I feel like that's all but confirmed.

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    • Link only has the hots for the Master Sword

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    • While we’re on the subject of Link’s romantic life, do you think TP Link loved Midna or were they just really good friends by EoS? Ilia is a thing so unless there’s more Twilight in Twilight Princess than I thought, he probably only had the hots for one of them.

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    • The real cal howard wrote:
      While we’re on the subject of Link’s romantic life, do you think TP Link loved Midna or were they just really good friends by EoS? Ilia is a thing so unless there’s more Twilight in Twilight Princess than I thought, he probably only had the hots for one of them.

      I don't think Link had any romantic connection to either Midna nor IIia.

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    • Makes sense given how Zelda looked in that game.

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    • TP Link clearly had romantic feelings for the elder Goron.

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    • I personally always believed TP Link had a real romantic connection with Falbi.

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    • TP Link had a real romantic connection with Hero's Shade tbh

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    • Shadowbokunohero wrote: Link only has the hots for the Master Sword

      Well technically the MS is Fi and she as been with him from the beginning of all his adventures until the end to some extent she's probably the real loyal here and I kind of like Link and Fi together.

      Or Link Agitha in TP she's so adorable alos in HW he should have ended up with Cia or Lana and honestly Zelda pairings can get really dull.

      Wasn't there also the fairy queen in wind walker that straight up said that link was her Type?

      Medli is sweet.

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    • Quick Question where does the Phantom hour glass fall in the timeline, I know it should be Logically after wind waker right?, I have yet to play these spin-offs and Im judging entirely based on the art style lol

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    • It's the direct sequel to Wind Waker.

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    • Yeah.

      Don’t judge based on the art style. The Toon Link games happen all over. Minish Cap and Four Swords happen before OoT, while FSA happens in the child timeline well after TP, and Tri-Force Heroes is a sequel to ALBW.

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    • Ahh I see thanks.

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    • Ond of the few direct sequels in the series at that, with Zelda II, Link’s Awakening, MM, Triforce Heroes and BOTW sequel.

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    • Every Link had two games back to back until WW!Link ruined it.

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    • Also, even though none of us were around for the 80s to early 90s, I always liked the assumed dynamic all the side material had for Link and Zelda when there was just one of them (their NES iterations). The two of them were friends, and Link was immature, but he was a knight and a hero nonetheless.

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    • @Shadow heres a simple and basic rundown of the timeline(s):

      1200px-E Timeline
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    • The real cal howard wrote: Every Link had two games back to back until WW!Link ruined it.

      But WW has Phantom Hourglass...

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    • Thanks! this helps a lot.

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    • Happy to help!

      @Triforce he said back to back, as in each Link got 2 games in a row before a new Link was introduced. Wind Waker didn't get Phantom Hourglass until after several new Links were already introduced.

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    • Ah, I get it now

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    • Warren Valion wrote:
      Yeah, I feel that Link and Cloud would be a very cool crossover.

      They just play off each other immaculately. 

      A crossover with both adventuring and working together for one reason or another, not just fighting each other. I've been toying with the idea for a while, but haven't done much due to time issues =P

      That OMM was awesome (the sprites of Card Sagas Wars helped a lot) though, yeah, not going with a clash of Triforce Slash vs Omnislash was a bit of a letdown.

      @Ashen: Common interpretation is that Link got that bounty due to  constant trespassing and causing constant property damage while looking for hearts and rupees. 

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    • That makes sense too much I would say lol.

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    • Speaking about theories, I have a little theory of my own on how the Triforce pieces work.


      I always liked to believe that the most unique piece of the Triforce is, in fact, the Triforce of Courage. 

      And by "unique", I mean that it works differently than the other two pieces, as where the Triforce of Power and Wisdom are proactive, the Triforce of Courage is reactive. 

      What that means specifically is that the Triforce of Power and Wisdom are straight from the get-go stat boosts to mana, physical strength, intelligence, etc.

      The Triforce of Courage, however, isn't just an instant boost - it's reflexive. If Link faces a challenging opponent, his courage will be tested and rewarded with the adequate strength to defeat his opponent. The same goes for intelligence. He's only as strong and as smart as the world forces him to be,

      So from what I always liked to believe, the Triforce of Courage has the potential to reach the greatest heights of power and wisdom - it just needs the right push for the user to get there.

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    • nani

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    • Ashen TL;DR pls

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    • @Warren: That's... surprisingly fitting for Link's role and duty and thematically perfect.

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    • Does anyone want a MinishCap remake ? in the same vain as the new game or do you think they should just make 2-D zelda games instead

      I think Capcom created Minishcap so im not sure if a remake would work

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    • While I'd like a Minish Cap remake I'd prefer a new 2-D Zelda now.

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    • I... non ironically would like an Adventure of Link remake in the future

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    • Remakes/Ports I want for Zelda:

      OG Zelda either get a graphical remake like LA/port over the BS 16 bit version so I don't have to play on an emulator.

      Adventure of Link port

      Oracles Games in the same style as LA, possibly even finally make that 3rd canceled oracles game with it.

      Skyward Sword remake

      Port WW & TP over to the switch so I only have 1% reason left to use the Wii U (that 1% is Pikmin 3). 

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    • Original Zelda surprisingly never got a true remake. Technically BOTW is supposed to be a “return to the origins”, but still. It’s probably the only 2D Zelda game I want a remake of, even though I already played the original.

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    • It technically did get a remake on that japanese famicon thingy https://youtu.be/Nv0rbIZNEMA

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    • Unironically I would like a remake of Zelda I and Adventure of Link.

      Though, AoL would have to have major changes to gameplay, methinks

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    • A link between worlds sequel would be great aswell

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    • A Link Between Worlds is already a sequel though ovo

      In Japan, ALTTP is called “Triforce of the gods”, and ALBW “Triforce of the gods 2”.

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    • shhh you weeb

      here we talk only American/s

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    • I don't like 2-D Zeldas personally, so I hope that we don't get anymore for a while.

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    • I'd personally like another multiplayer spin off in the vein of Four Swords or Tri Force Heroes, me and my friends had a blast with those before and a new game like that on the switch would be perfect.

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    • KnightOfSunlight wrote:
      Unironically I would like a remake of Zelda I and Adventure of Link.

      Though, AoL would have to have major changes to gameplay, methinks

      Yeah, it AoL would probably be adapted to the overhead style. But quite honestly after all these years and Nintendo trying and polishing their work so much I do wonder how would they handle a side-scrolling Zelda, kinda like a Metroidvania style Zelda? Dunno, but would be fun to see,

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    • I have to ask but did we upgrade the speed of Majora mask to the new speed calc of Link BOTW and also young Link?

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    • Also this scene alone makes me appreciate Skyward Sword a million times more than every older Zelda games https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=acDvui4bzSk&list=LLTUOv3-efx1zefeLj7AUGQw&index=2&t=0s

      This whole scene feels epic and wholesome and several Gods/Deities acknowledge link and gives him the respect he deserves. He gets credit for what he as done also the song of the hero is just beautiful with Link floating/flying in the hair looking so happy with Fi floating around him and doing ballet is just wholesome.


      Link right here is happy to be a hero.


      Man I love skyward Sword so much I want a remake.

      Plus over 33+ years of the series the Loz theme was actually Link's theme all along how awesome is that?!?

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    • I always felt like it would be Link's theme with how it's a courageous & adventorous song.

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    • No one cared enough to comment on my Triforce theory - I cry

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    • At least Tarta gave it a kudos

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    • Guys, I have found this:

      https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91QunqO40PL.jpg

      This confirms that Hyrule Warriors Link can flip the Hyrule Kingdom with gauntlets.

      Now I have a question for you, there is something in a guidebook or in a game that explains magic? I know some people who say that magic attacks in TLoZ are like Environmental Destruction, in other words they think: "In practice, this is essentially a non-combat applicable Attack Potency; if a character is able to cause weather phenomena or natural disasters without any reasoning that can support their other statistics being at this level of destructive potency, then they should have trouble or lack the capacity to use these powers to damage characters in comparable tiers."

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    • He also didn't get the Sub-Relativistic+ and Massively FTL upgrades either the poor lad, he was forgotten.

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    • And you know how he feels? Furious! Outraged! Sick with anger!

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    • Have you guys noticed how wonky the lifting strength ratings are? Characters like Onox and other High 6-A characters are Class G for being far stronger than Gohma despite Gohma not being even close to high enough into Class M to justify a jump like that, botched resurrection Ganon is in turn Class T for being stronger than the Class G characters who even being generous would at best be baseline Class G which wouldn't justify a jump like that, Triforce of Power Ganon is Class E just for being stronger than OOT Link with the Golden Gauntlets despite the calc for the gauntlets being rather low into Class T (And somehow being stronger than this allowed Ganon to also skip past Class P?), Calamity Ganon is also Class E simply by virtue of being stronger than botched resurrection Ganon (Again, somehow skipping past Class P), WW Link is Class T with his justification being a calc that...isn't even Class G. Bruh we need to fix these ratings and justifications because they're whack.

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    • Yeah, I once tried to search for all the sources but I couldn’t find everything.

      It’s a pretty big mess unfortunately.

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    • One of the golden gauntlets calcs for Class T is Class 100... I'm going to make a thread on this likely later today.

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    • Should we go and correct that little mistake?

      Also we should probably give Link (Skyward Sword) multiple keys for each different point in the story.

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    • Yeah. Please, someone correct that mistake. I’m busy now

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    • I mean base goddess was forge and infused with a part of Hylia 8n it, that thing is Already small planet level/planet level and than Link used every single piece of triforce (flames) to upgrade it further that puts it to 4-C to much higher and that's when it's not even awakened yet.

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    • Also anything in the MS like Demise soul was passively getting erased it was decaying it "The last remnants of Demise are decaying slowly within the sword." — Impa (Skyward Sword)

      Also MS grants him protection against any kind of magic that have the same potentcy as the 3-A Triforce not just against evil magic.

      "Suspecting that Ganon's power was based on the Triforce's magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce. This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil's bane, or the Master Sword." (A Link to the Past manual, pg. 5)

      Link should get rage manipulation.

      "Hummph... The puny fool's rage is somehow being channeled by the Master Sword! He and the sword are as one!" (A Link to the Past (Nintendo Power), pg. 2)

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    • Can the Link to the Past manual even be used if Skyward Sword and other Zelda games retconned the creation of the Master Sword?

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    • Warren Valion wrote: Can the Link to the Past manual even be used if Skyward Sword and other Zelda games retconned the creation of the Master Sword?

      It's still can only the creation of the sword was change but it dosent change the fact that the Sage tempered with the master sword to make it resistant to the full Triforce, even the Dwarven smith's comments on it.

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    • Guys I found legit evidence for the Triforce granting High-Godly regen and Type 2 Conceptal Manipulation, will post scans within the next few millennia. On a more serious manner, can't remember if this was asked on the previous threads, but what changes to do you guys want made to Breath of the Wild 2 to help improve upon its predecessor?

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    • Dust Collector wrote: Guys I found legit evidence for the Triforce granting High-Godly regen and Type 2 Conceptal Manipulation, will post scans within the next few millennia. On a more serious manner, can't remember if this was asked on the previous threads, but what changes to do you guys want made to Breath of the Wild 2 to help improve upon its predecessor?

      No weapon breaking and if it as to stay at least make the MS unbreakable, old school style dungeons plus Link's iconic items would be great (unbreakable), and to also explore more about Link's relationship with the zonai and who was the red haired hero wielding the MS 1,000 years ago was it a link?

      Also comfirm if Zelda has the full triforce or not.

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    • Dust Collector wrote: Guys I found legit evidence for the Triforce granting High-Godly regen and Type 2 Conceptal Manipulation, will post scans within the next few millennia. On a more serious manner, can't remember if this was asked on the previous threads, but what changes to do you guys want made to Breath of the Wild 2 to help improve upon its predecessor?

      More and more traditional (something like a mix between Divine Beasts and dungeons) dungeons, and more classic Zelda items instead of just bombs. I’m also hoping it would be a mostly underground Zelda game, with a ton of beautiful underground locations, but I’m not going to be disappointed if there isn’t any.

      Conceptual manipulation type 2? Ha, I’ve found evidence foe type 1 ovo

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    • "conceptual manipulation"

      Don't do this to me... Don't give me hope.

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    • "Hey did you know once I obtained the full Triforce I gained Type 2 Conceptual Manipulation over the concepts of time, space, life, and death. It's pretty neat if I do say so myself"

      -Crenando in the original japanese text of his battle with Link during ALTTP.

      By the by, given that we currently treat Majora and FD Link as god tiers way above anyone else sans Triforce users and the Golden Goddesses shouldn't they also get Sub-Relativistic+ and Massively FTL?

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    • Power=/=speed

      They have no reason to scale after all iirc

      Triforce does because it’s the Triforce.

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    • Fair enough, was just kinda curious about it.

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    • Epic Zelda medley

      https://youtu.be/juICb7XcM9M

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    • Also really good OoT analysis video

      https://youtu.be/GyUcwsjyd8Q

      F05386D3-BB77-4492-96A8-079C7621170E
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    • Oh I've watched that video before, yeah it's really great.

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    • Golden goddesses are Massively above the Triforce in every way imaginable especially the fact that they come from primordial darkness when time did not exist at all.


      And also it makes sense for God tier to have Sub-Relativistic+ and MFTL like wind fish he literally travels among stars and he's not even at the top of the Zelda pantheon.

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    • Is It normal to find people who say that Link Is wall level because Bokoblins with wood stick can harm him?

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    • Lgamer099 99 wrote:
      Is It normal to find people who say that Link Is wall level because Bokoblins with wood stick can harm him?

      No, but I've seen Small Building level because NES Zelda "doesn't have any other feats"

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    • Lgamer099 99 wrote:
      Is It normal to find people who say that Link Is wall level because Bokoblins with wood stick can harm him?

      That happens a lot in general. Cell Saga Goku getting hurt by a stone, Wonder Woman getting fatally wounded by a gun, some Gorillas hurting the Hulk, all those are used to comment on how the character is much weaker than it has displayed.

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    • I've found 10-A Link a lot so ye, it's normal.

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    • Many people just take stuff in gameplay and use that to determine stats, it's unfortunately a thing that plagues not only Zelda but games in general. Anyway has anyone heard of Adventure Maker? It originally started as a Zelda Maker (But Nintendo would obviously not have that) so now it's own thing heavily inspired and based around the old 2D games, it's still a heavy WIP but it's looking pretty good so far.

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    • Oh yeah, the "that's just gameplay mechanics" thing that gets thrown around a lot without really looking into whether it actually works or not.

      Never heard of it, gonna take a look. But... I dunno, I am kind of a sucker for those Adventure and RPG maker engines =P so I think I'll like it.

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    • I just ignore game mechanics argument and point out that most of the problems they point out are usually prior to an amp or are contradicted by narrative/in-game statements.

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    • I mean BOTW champion abilities are clearly game mechanics that's why there's cool down on them because if they weren't it would have been broken.

      Every champion says that they completely give their abilities to link and use them as much has he wants to in order to complete the mission.

      Hell when Link gains these powers he uses them extremely casually with no problem in the cutscenes when showing them.

      The cool down is obvious game mechanics.so I don't understand why BOTW can't use his ability as much as he wants too and why is it stated as a weakness when it's clear game mechanics?

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    • Anyone has any ideas of when the next trailer for BOTW2? I’m betting it’s not after the January-February Nintendo Direct they do every year, but I hope they’ll release something before that.

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    • Either then or E3 imo. Same with MP4

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    • TriforcePower1 wrote:
      Anyone has any ideas of when the next trailer for BOTW2? I’m betting it’s not after the January-February Nintendo Direct they do every year, but I hope they’ll release something before that.

      Honestly, The Game Awards is a good place to do it.

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    • TriforcePower1 wrote:
      Anyone has any ideas of when the next trailer for BOTW2? I’m betting it’s not after the January-February Nintendo Direct they do every year, but I hope they’ll release something before that.

      Game Awards

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    • obviously during game awards hope they show some metroid prime 4 and bayonetta 3

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    • Still waiting for SMT V news.

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    • Warren Valion wrote:
      Still waiting for SMT V news.

      wrong thread friend

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    • ZephyrosOmega wrote:
      Warren Valion wrote:
      Still waiting for SMT V news.
      wrong thread friend

      Not entirely considering Persona is in Cross Tag and Persona is part of SMT.

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    • Zeldasmash wrote:
      ZephyrosOmega wrote:
      Warren Valion wrote:
      Still waiting for SMT V news.
      wrong thread friend
      Not entirely considering Persona is in Cross Tag and Persona is part of SMT.

      This is the zelda thread tho

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    • We are talking about the Game Awards an what we want to see there.

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    • ZephyrosOmega wrote:
      Zeldasmash wrote:
      ZephyrosOmega wrote:
      Warren Valion wrote:
      Still waiting for SMT V news.
      wrong thread friend
      Not entirely considering Persona is in Cross Tag and Persona is part of SMT.
      This is the zelda thread tho

      Ah! My bad. I feel quite dumb now. XD

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    • I swear I'm the only guy ever who hates Breath of the WIld. I don't know what sorts of inhuman mental gymnastics my mind is supposed to perform to recieve it as a good game, because apparently my brain is as unathletic as the rest of my body and I only thought it was okay at best. I bought the game the first day it came out for the full $60, super excited to play the game. I played the game nonstop for like 3 days and then it kinda just completely fell off for me and got completely boring after the second Divine Beast.



      Then I developed a severe Undertale addiction, to which I haven't since recovered.

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    • As a person who 100% BOTW in both normal and master mode - I can solemnly say that I was massviely disappointed by the game.


      There are things in Breath of the Wild that have a level of polish unseen before, a painstakingly amount of attention to detail was applied. But there are other aspects of them which are so obtuse that I find it hard to believe both parts of the game were developed by the same people. 

      Every single thing Breath of the Wild got right, they got five things wrong. And in the end, Breath of the Wild has become my least favorite 3-D Zelda. And that's sad.

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    • To be honest, Skyward Sword deserved a sequel much more than Breath of the Wild did. They did not need to tack on an extra story to the end of the already tacked on stories of Breath of the Wild, where you just beat Ganon and you're done. Skyward Sword actually had some of the best characters seen in a Zelda game, and at the end you're actually curious as to what happens next.

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    • I've been playing BoTW and I can say it's my fav 3D Zelda game.

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    • I still have to play it... And finish Majora's Mask... which is just messed up o_O

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    • My opinion of BOTW is that what they needed to do right, they made it borderline perfect, like the exploration or the open world.

      But other stuff seemed kinda half baked, like game difficulty or main dungeons.

      I would say that what BOTW nailed, it nailed it so much it’s enough to massively overshadow its problems, but that’s just my opinion.

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    • Breath of the Wild creates a beautiful sense of exploration, for most of the game, there is always some thing in the distance that catches your eye and diverts you from your current objective.

      The problem is that it's almost never rewarding. The most interesting things are abondoned ruins that speak of a history that is far more intriguing than the current world. Not to mention, with the Spirit Medellion system - the reward for 99% of sidequests went from something rewarding like a Piece of Heart, to something superfluous like money or a random material. 


      To be honest, I could go on for fucking days about how BOTW disappointed me, and of its faults, so I'll stop right here.

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    • I mean BOTW story was never truly finished there was still so many unanswered questions, hell BOTW was a Zelda story through and through but the second one is obviously going to be about Link and Ganon.

      Plus at this point its obvious that Link is related to the Zonai since the first hero in the Botw was a red head Zonai that weilded the master swotd.

      And let's not forget the wind fish dead skeleton in the game.... And the one of Levias too, there's dead deities scattered around hyrule.

      Honestly BOTW deserves a sequel and skyward Sword deserves some kind of continuation (it's my favorite game) Botw was great but it's obvious what type of game it was.


      It was a Beta a test too see if they can do a game like that Botw 2 will technically be the final product of that new Zelda formula.

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    • Technically every game is a sequel to skyward sword owo

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    • I just want to see Pompadour Polnareff again

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    • Leo Luster?

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    • Groose

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    • Can I direct all of your attentions on this I know not many like breath of the wild has a classic Zelda game but we cannot deny the fact that its a great game for gamers and none gamers.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5LdenlAKb2g&list=LLTUOv3-efx1zefeLj7AUGQw&index=2&t=0s

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    • Composite Link’s in trouble

      https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:3762548

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    • Yeah I've seen that, a lot of composites in general are looking to get yeeted and Link is just one of the casualties.

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    • I fail to understand why would Link composite need to be removed and why they are saying Godzilla composite system so does Link's.

      Despite Link literally being the same person, every time heck Demise literally said that link will forever be reincarnated.

      That statement clearly solidify that All Link are the same Link's they just live in different Era's and thus grow up in different environment.

      I mean the master sword is literally bind to Link's soul if you are not Link it will basically kill you.

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    • OH I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD.

      If those dante stan fuckwits get link's composite page removed because they couldn't handle not getting their fucking Low 1-C Wanked-to-hell Demon Hunter we're gonna have some god damn problems

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    • I honestly couldn't give a shit about composite Link getting tossed lmao. I believe that thread would also get the current Zelda profile yeeted as that's also a composite.

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    • Rip Ganondorf he's probably the only we will be able to set up cool matches.

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    • Just a question regarding a ability for Crenando. In Ganons tower (Wind Waker) you enter doors to boss rooms where ypu refight past bosses to open the way to Ganons tower. The rooms are identical recreations of the previous areas you fight the bosses (The Gohma fight linked above has even has Valoo sitting above the area for you to swing on his tail even though Valoo is on the surface world while this battle happens). And the areas are in the same gray scale as Hyrule Castle is while it's frozen in time, which when combined with the fact that Link is forced to be limited to whatever weapons he had during the inital battles initally led me to believe that this is some form of time manipulation (Don't think it's time stop since everything in these rooms still move whether it's lava or beams of light). Could be another form of reality warping, maybe also power null due to removal of equipment, thoughts?

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    • Legit no idea.

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    • Dust Collector wrote:

      The game says that Ganon was the one who recreated the entire thing Ganondorf obviously created the place via magic and put a bunch of fail safes.

      Its agreed that Ganondorf has incredible magical powers, with how the Tower is "built" with some places having its own kind of ecosystem this is clearly reality manip and also power null since he an stop link from using items.

      Also ToP might have help him do all these things.

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    • I actually have a ton of Skyward Sword profiles to complete and add at some point.

      The Groose just might be loose yet.

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    • Had a talk with DDM we found something that would actually support low 2-C LoZ

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    • AshenCrow777 wrote:
      Had a talk with DDM we found something that would actually support low 2-C LoZ

      too bad his composite profile is being yoinked away 

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    • Yup but this feat was created by a Toon Link w 😏, meaning that Triforce peice users and full triforce users are getting an insane buff.

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    • ZephyrosOmega wrote: >Low 2-C triforce pieces

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym-1Yrx-OvI&t=14s

      Yup we are gathering more info because the feat was done by a triforceless Toon Link.

      Gonna throw you guys a bone.

      Me:" The World of the Ocean King is the world where most of the events of The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass take place. It is the home of the Ocean King, his spirits, and the inhabitants of the islands. Despite being another world, it is very similar to the Great Sea: both have a vast expanse of ocean and share an analogous climate. The two worlds are so alike that throughout most of Link and Tetra's adventures there, they are unaware that they are in another world.

      Also grand ocean king is said to be a deity like wind fish"

      DDM:"Oh yeah, Time does work differently in World of the Ocean King than Hyrule/Great Sea does."

      DDM:"Plus, wasn't that one place in Oracle of Ages of all things called a "Parallel Universe"?"

      Me:"Yup, Is it note worthy to do something about it?"

      DDM:"Yeah... It was implied that it was created by the Golden Goddesses. So it's just a back up 2-C feat."

      Me:"By Defeating Bellum, the latter of who defeated the Ocean king in battle who can manipulate the Realm of the Ocean King."

      This feat is actually a real legit one.

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    • I already checked that one when HE came out, and manipulating all of time =/= destroying time, which is what you need to have Low 2-C

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    • Does the Ocean King actually manipulate the realm as opposed to just ruling over it? Been a while since I played Phantom Hourglass. Also very iffy of the scaling since this is an incarnation of Link without even a single piece of the Triforce, performing something on this level without any piece of the magical triangles doesn't exactly sound consistent.

      Have no problem with scaling this to Bellum, the Ocean King, and obviously full Triforce users if legit (Like Majora these guys benefit from being in a parallel universe and having no comparisons to be made to anyone or anything else making it less likely to be accepted as an outlier). If we decide to also treat the Phantom Sword as well above the non tempered with Master Sword then I see it scaling to PH Link as well, but if we don't treat it as >> Master Sword then the feat becomes alot more iffy.

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    • Link was able to keep up thanks to the phantom sword (its basically the master sword of that universe) and the fact that he was powered by 1 other diety Ciela (the fairies she's separated ) and is considered the patreon of time and courage in the world of the Ocean King, the clearly explains how he was able to win and his past experience does help a lot, and yes ocean King had power over all of his domain just like wind fish.

      And the final fight was affecting the entirety of the realm of the Ocean King.

      This feat his basically Termina 2.0 or wind fish 2.0.

      If you are all sceptical about single peice triforce that's okay but the full triforce is definitely above that.

      Plus like I said this realm is the Oceans king domain he his stated to have absolut control over it just like wind fish and his world.

      Link and Tetra didn't even notice any of the difference between the 2 world's before it was pointed out to them and they were extremely shocked by it.

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    • Listen up, young 'un. Listen good. The Ocean King is defender of all creation. MERCAY ISLAND RESIDENT clearly stated in game that he was the defender of all creation in this world that he made


      While in his Oshus guise, the Ocean King's powers are rather limited compared to his true form due to losing most of his Life Force. Despite this, he can still use some of his powers, such as instantly sending people into different places, reuniting Ciela with her other half and fusing the Phantom Hourglass with the Phantom Sword itself. This coupled with his wisdom, still makes him a powerful being.

      In his true form, the Ocean King has a great amount of Life Force within him which allows him to use mystical powers. These powers include granting wishes for a person, sending people and items to different worlds, making an avatar of himself as an old man, sensing the evil acts of Bellum, creating his own world and surviving the curse which Bellum places on him. All of these are literally proved in in-game dialog, cutscenes and showed feats.


      Ocean King is clearly a powerful diety.


      Breath of the Wild retroactively suggests the Wind Fish, Levias, and Ocean King are all whale-like beings called Leviathans with the Ocean King being a Leviathan native to the World of the Ocean King.

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    • TriforcePower1 wrote: I already checked that one when HE came out, and manipulating all of time =/= destroying time, which is what you need to have Low 2-C

      Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting, creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely sized 3-dimensional expanse.


      Ocean king quite literally did that tho and the game keeps reapeting before Bellum came he manipulated/created and defended everything within his domain.

      Many years ago, Bellum appeared and began to consume people's Life Force, an energy which every living thing in the world possesses. Bellum attacked Oshus, who naturally fought back. However, his attacks were futile, and he was subsequently locked away at the bottom of the Temple of the Ocean King, his Life Force at the mercy of his nemesis. Bellum then formulated the Sands of Hours, a crystallized version of Oshus' Life Force, to create monsters that attempted to seal away the Fairies of Power, Wisdom, and Courage.

      despite Bellum being a formidable opponent (and his name means also War in Latin) was utterly curb stomp by the ocean king heck ocean king was so strong Bellum had to use whatever life force he got from the ocean king and than turned it into a weapon (matter manipulation) the phantom hourglass.

      He basically did a Thanos "used the stones to destroy the stones" by turning Ocean King's powers against him.

      The plot of the game happens and at the end Bellum was able to get Ocean Kings powers by draining his life force (like rogue from xmen) and became insanely powerful than he was going to destroy the world.

      But ocean king being the smart whale that he is fused the phantom sword and the hourglass into a single weapon and that weapon was infused with a ton of energy from himself.

      All these are enough to give an upgrade to True Master sword, Full Triforce, golden Master sword, Toon Link, ALTTP link, SS Link, Cia and Ganondorf.

      Plus theres a clear power hierarchy within the Loz universe and Hylia, Demise, Ocean King and Wind Fish clearly stands at the top.

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    • Well Link is now a playable character in Mario Maker 2. They're adding a new Master Sword power up that turns you into Link, you can stab enemies, dash using the pegasus boots, perform the downward thrust, shoot arrows, and toss bombs.

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    • Dust Collector wrote: Well Link is now a playable character in Mario Maker 2. They're adding a new Master Sword power up that turns you into Link, you can stab enemies, dash using the pegasus boots, perform the downward thrust, shoot arrows, and toss bombs.

      Which Link?

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    • Well it looks like the Link from the NES games, but has the Pegasus Boots and Master Sword like ALTTP Link, but also wields the Hylian Shield which neither of those Links have, so I guess it's just his latest reincarnation I guess

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    • AshenCrow777 wrote:

      TriforcePower1 wrote: I already checked that one when HE came out, and manipulating all of time =/= destroying time, which is what you need to have Low 2-C

      Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting, creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely sized 3-dimensional expanse.


      Ocean king quite literally did that tho and the game keeps reapeting before Bellum came he manipulated/created and defended everything within his domain.

      Many years ago, Bellum appeared and began to consume people's Life Force, an energy which every living thing in the world possesses. Bellum attacked Oshus, who naturally fought back. However, his attacks were futile, and he was subsequently locked away at the bottom of the Temple of the Ocean King, his Life Force at the mercy of his nemesis. Bellum then formulated the Sands of Hours, a crystallized version of Oshus' Life Force, to create monsters that attempted to seal away the Fairies of Power, Wisdom, and Courage.

      despite Bellum being a formidable opponent (and his name means also War in Latin) was utterly curb stomp by the ocean king heck ocean king was so strong Bellum had to use whatever life force he got from the ocean king and than turned it into a weapon (matter manipulation) the phantom hourglass.

      He basically did a Thanos "used the stones to destroy the stones" by turning Ocean King's powers against him.

      The plot of the game happens and at the end Bellum was able to get Ocean Kings powers by draining his life force (like rogue from xmen) and became insanely powerful than he was going to destroy the world.

      But ocean king being the smart whale that he is fused the phantom sword and the hourglass into a single weapon and that weapon was infused with a ton of energy from himself.

      All these are enough to give an upgrade to True Master sword, Full Triforce, golden Master sword, Toon Link, ALTTP link, SS Link, Cia and Ganondorf.

      Plus theres a clear power hierarchy within the Loz universe and Hylia, Demise, Ocean King and Wind Fish clearly stands at the top.

      Time to make a thread, don't you think?

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    • Lgamer099 99 wrote:

      AshenCrow777 wrote:

      Snip

      Double Snip
      Triple Snip

      I agree

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    • Yup, imma send a link once I'm done with it.

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    • Weird how the same games keep getting upgraded over and over

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    • Wait, you are using a Low 2-C feat from a Triforceless Link?

      How is this not the defintion of an outlier?

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    • Warren Valion wrote: Wait, you are using a Low 2-C feat from a Triforceless Link?

      How is this not the defintion of an outlier?

      Did you not read what I just posted this feat was indeed made by a triforceless but he was powered by the phantom sword (that as the hourglass fused in it) and both of these weapons were made by the ocean King there's no outlier at all plus link was also amped by the Ciela a diety /spirit of time and courage.

      I do not see any outlier that you talk about.

      Edit: the game clearly stated that Ocean king's life force was used and imbued in the making of the weapon.

      And the hourglass was made out of the incredible power (life force) of the Ocean King I literally posted everything about it.

      This feat is literally ALTTP kind of feat where you needed the golden Master sword to go up against full triforce Ganon.

      This feat is the same thing but with the phantom sword fused with the hourglass, powered by Ocean King and upgraded to the max to take on Bellum who stolen the life force of ocean King to make himself his rival.

      Ocean king's power and Ciela's were paramount to his survival (of Link) and it helps that Link his a seasoned adventurer.

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    • Super Ascended Sean Pazdera wrote: Weird how the same games keep getting upgraded over and over

      ?

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    • Also on a side not the franchise like I posted above considers Ocean King and Wind fish leviathan deities, on somewhat the same caliber (since there's a clear hierarchy of power in the Zelda verse), also this proves the fact that Demise and Hylia should scale since they were the best.

      And it's a reoccurring theme that deities have there own domain that they can create, Ocean King is the realm of the Ocean world, Windfish made a multi solar system world that his filled with countless stars(that might be much greater thanks to ocean king), Demise had obviously created the demon world since ALL MONSTERS from the Zelda verse was comfirmed to come from him and his domain.

      Plus he had to create a portal from his world (or a passage way) to go conquer the land that would be called Hyrule.

      And Hylia is always regarded to be the strongest divine being right under the 3 G's.

      Also thanks to multiple statements of the Triforce being the most powerful thing in the Zelda verse and no deity can use it obviously makes it above them.

      And The Life Force is the power inside all living beings, it works the same way as the light force (since it also described as a powerful form of force that lives within all living beings.) both of them are the exact same thing life force and light force are clearly comparable to a single peice of triforce we just never knew how strong it was that's why we left it at large star level but by scaling alone this just proves a single peice of triforce is comparable to any deity of the Zelda verse especially the ToP.

      Also that just makes Vaati feat more legit since with the light force (that is the exact same as the life force of the Ocean King) he was literally able to create a realm filled with countless stars.

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    • So many Zelda characters have been vastly upgraded by, “Oh, the pocket dimension they made has stars in it”.

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    • Super Ascended Sean Pazdera wrote: So many Zelda characters have been vastly upgraded by, “Oh, the pocket dimension they made has stars in it”.

      And your point is what exactly? They do contain stars all of them do hell look at wind fish dimension he has an entire star system inside.

      If you don't like it make a CRT about it, you will have to prove people that the stars we see aren't stars.

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    • I’ll consider it.

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    • I’ve noticed that people on this site focus on making the same characters as broken as possible over and over again. What they SHOULD do is make profiles on characters that AREN’T broken so the verse page looks better and so we can have fights on as many tiers as possible. I can think of 5 Skyward Sword characters off the top of my head that could use a profile on this wiki.

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    • We could start with the shopkeeper of ALttP

      Link ded by stealing
      He can quickly kill Link should he steal from his shop.
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    • ZephyrosOmega wrote:
      OH I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD.

      If those dante stan fuckwits get link's composite page removed because they couldn't handle not getting their fucking Low 1-C Wanked-to-hell Demon Hunter we're gonna have some god damn problems

      Hi there, it's me, a so called "Dante Stan Fuckwit", here to tell you that I had reservations about Composite Dante and then disagreed with it as soon as Antvasima made a good point against it.

      Wonderful to know this is how you think of people who are fans of character you aren't a fan of, I'll keep it in mind.

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    • KnightOfSunlight wrote:
      ZephyrosOmega wrote:
      OH I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD.

      If those dante stan fuckwits get link's composite page removed because they couldn't handle not getting their fucking Low 1-C Wanked-to-hell Demon Hunter we're gonna have some god damn problems

      Hi there, it's me, a so called "Dante Stan Fuckwit", here to tell you that I had reservations about Composite Dante and then disagreed with it as soon as Antvasima made a good point against it.

      Wonderful to know this is how you think of people who are fans of character you aren't a fan of, I'll keep it in mind.

      For the record i actually love DMC. What I hate is having to debate its fans on this hecksite.

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    • ZephyrosOmega wrote:

      For the record i actually love DMC. What I hate is having to debate its fans on this hecksite.

      You still don't have to be mean, however.

      Popular characters always get heated debates, so that's quite normal at this point.

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    • I mean

      I get being pretty annoyed with a fanbase and not liking debating with them. I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely get that quite a lot.

      Even so, going out of your way to call an entire fanbase of people "fuckwits" is taking it a few notches higher than necessary.

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    • DarkGrath wrote: I mean

      I get being pretty annoyed with a fanbase and not liking debating with them. I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely get that quite a lot.

      Even so, going out of your way to call an entire fanbase of people "fuckwits" is taking it a few notches higher than necessary.


      ^

      This

      Coming from someone who has lashed out at a ton of canvases in the past, there’s a lot that goes too far. This was it. Several steps below that would’ve been too far as well. Even if you didn’t like DMC, that would be unacceptable. Heck, I lashed out against DMC recently and regret it.

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    • The real cal howard wrote:

      DarkGrath wrote:

      Lash out is a strong word when you were literally all alone on that thread with everyone almost ganging up on you the fault lies on both sides for what happened Cal, buT yes I also agree with you.

      Let's not talk about them anymore people.

      Anyways Cal what do you think of what iv posted?

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    • Warren Valion wrote:
      Wait, you are using a Low 2-C feat from a Triforceless Link?

      How is this not the defintion of an outlier?

      Unironically I might have found another one from the oracle games

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    • We should make profiles for weaker characters too, not just upgrading the same characters over and over. I'm actually working on 5 different Skyward Sword profiles rn.

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    • ZephyrosOmega wrote:

      Warren Valion wrote:
      Wait, you are using a Low 2-C feat from a Triforceless Link?

      How is this not the defintion of an outlier?

      Unironically I might have found another one from the oracle games

      Ooh interesting.

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    • ZephyrosOmega wrote:

      Warren Valion wrote:
      Wait, you are using a Low 2-C feat from a Triforceless Link?

      How is this not the defintion of an outlier?

      Unironically I might have found another one from the oracle games

      Hype.

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    • Soo, question, Hyrule Historia is the one disregarded or Hyrule Encyclopedia? (Or both?) Or they count except for openly contradictory segments?

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    • Hyrule Encyclopedia is disregarded. Historia is primary.

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    • We can actually use both, although HH takes precedence.

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    • We disregard both of them. We even disregard the games as well, in fact most official Zelda material is disregarded and we stick to using stuff from the monopoly game.

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    • Ew you regard something as canon?

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    • he didn't say regard as canon, he just said they use it

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    • Silly question but, what's the difference between regarding as canon and using?

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    • That canon can be far more variable for example, primary canon, secondary canon and so on, while using, well, as you could think, only relates to actually taking stuff from either canon for indexing.

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    • Ah, I see. Thanks.

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    • What would you say the most difficult Zelda profile to make right now would be, that we don't have right now? My guess is Fi.

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    • That's not Fi. Fi to the Master Sword is J.A.R.V.I.S. to Iron Man. Fi is the Spirit IN the Sword, not the sword itself. 

      The only time she really IS a sword is in Hyrule Warriors. 

      Also Fi has a lot of abilities that the Master Sword doesn't have.

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    • Who cares, Fi sucks anyway and has all the personality and charm of a twig I stepped on while going to work today ovo

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    • Shut the up

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    • Look inside your heart, you know it to be true. Also speaking of profiles I really gotta get around to actually making that FSA Ganon profile, that's been sitting in my sandbox for like half a year.

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    • FSA?

      And the correct quote is, "Search your feelings, you know it to be true."

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    • Four Swords Adventures, yeah I always get that quote wrong lol.

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    • I really wish I could find an OP feat for Groose that's above Wall Level that ISN'T him shaking Link's shoulders or the Groosenator.

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    • so why does FSA ganon have his own profile

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    • Because he's not the same person as all the other ganons. He's a reincarnation of TP Ganondorf without any memories or knowledge of his past life as opposed to just being the exact same person but resurrected, basically like most of the Links who are reincarnations of each other with their own memories and such, same deal here. When I did that big overhaul of Ganondorfs profile a few months back it was generally agreed for FSA Ganon to get his own profile as opposed to being a key on the regular Ganondorf profile for those reasons.

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    • ah

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    • Also should we name the regular Ganondorf profile something other than canon in the tabs? Since we now have FSA Ganon it would seem like to people unfamilar to the franchise that he's not canon since all the links to the different Ganon profiles at the top lists the orignal as canon while this one isn't and just displays the game he comes from like HW and CDI Ganon.

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    • At the absolute worst, FSA Ganon gets his own key.

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    • Okay, so, I’m working at a CRT transforming Composite Link into just “Link”. It’s mostly done, but if someone has some suggestions or something that shows Nintendo treating Link as a singular character, that would be appreciated.

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    • Smash Bros is a good example

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    • TriforcePower1 wrote:
      Okay, so, I’m working at a CRT transforming Composite Link into just “Link”. It’s mostly done, but if someone has some suggestions or something that shows Nintendo treating Link as a singular character, that would be appreciated.

      link to the thread?

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    • I’ll probably post the CRT tomorrow as it’s midnight here and I need to sleep. But when I do, I’ll post the non-Composite link here

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    • Can we make profiles on bugs, too?

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    • To everyone who said that GOTY would reveal new stuff about BOTW2

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    • The funny thing is that it never mentions that Demise created the curse that reincarnates the three, he just referred to it.

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    • Super Ascended Sean Pazdera wrote: The funny thing is that it never mentions that Demise created the curse that reincarnates the three, he just referred to it.

      He does mention it, he straight up says that he curses Link and Zelda's bloodline after complementing for being the "paragon" of his kind iirc.

      "Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse."-Demise


      Yup he straight up curses he dosent referred to it, he says it clearly.

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    • Also he literally cursed all of humanity and every single mortal in the the Loz universe "An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!"

      Hence why the reason Ganondorf always f-up the Loz universe in general.

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    • He mentioned the curse existed, but didn't create it. That or it was already in place.

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    • The curse never existed before because it was literally Demise who made this curse its the entire reason why Ganondorf comes back every time to destroy hyrule because he's the incarnation of his hatred.

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    • Yeah, but the way Demise said it ingame made it sound like it wasn't because of him that the curse existed.

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    • This is probably linguistic stuff. Since Japanese tends to leave the subject implied leaving the reader to understand it from context, the translators tried to do the same by making Demise being vague about the subject.

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    • Tfw you're watching an entire Skyward Sword 100% Let's Play for feats because you're trying to make 5 profiles for the verse at once

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    • Super Ascended Sean Pazdera wrote:
      Yeah, but the way Demise said it ingame made it sound like it wasn't because of him that the curse existed.

      If you have any understanding of English pronouns, no he doesn't, like at all. It is very explicitly stated to be his hatred and that said hatred of his would by follow Zelda and Link's descendants, dooming them for all eternity.

      "My hate... never perishes."

      "An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind..."

      Nothing implies that Demise isn't the one casting the curse.

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    • To be honest, I've always liked the idea of Demise not being the one casting the curse, but simply stating that his own hatred won't die because it's destined continuously come back, and he says that right after Link defeats him out of spite.

      But this requires way too many assumptions compared to simply Demise being the one cursing them (actually, he's more like cursing himself to always come back than cursing Link or Zelda, but still).

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    • With how inseparable the connection that the incarnation of Demise's hatred is with the Spirit of the Hero and the Bloodline of the Goddess - it makes the truth clear, all three parties are definitely connected with one another. It isn't just some random curse that exists.


      To be honest, I always thought that Link and Zelda should kill themselves Romeo and Juliet style after killing Ganon so that Demise's curse never reactivates. Ensuring Hyrule's safety.

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    • Warren Valion wrote:

      To be honest, I always thought that Link and Zelda should kill themselves Romeo and Juliet style after killing Ganon so that Demise's curse never reactivates. Ensuring Hyrule's safety.

      I know this is probably a joke, but Vaati would probably break out at some point.

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    • I mean that it would ensuring Hyrule's Safety from Demise's Curse.  Not from all evil ever.

      As without the Spirit of the Hero and the Blood of the Goddess, then the incarnation of Demise's hatred would not be reborn.

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    • But when Link and Zelda reincarnate, Demise's curse would just come back. Or is it the other way around?  

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    • TartaChocholate wrote:
      But when Link and Zelda reincarnate, Demise's curse would just come back. Or is it the other way around?  

      Destroying the soul of Link (Spirit of Hero), and ending the bloodline of the Goddess Hylia after killing the incarnation of Demise's Hatred would put an end to the curse.

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    • To be honest, Ganondorf is just gonna keep trying until he succeeds.

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    • Aside Ganondorf and Vaati, are there other villains in the franchise that would be a threat? I can think of the likes of Yuuga and Malladus, but they were permanently finished off in their games. The other danger I think is the possibility of Ganondorf having some servants willing to go through all kind of trouble to get his master back, kinda like what Death or Shaft have done in Castlevania for Dracula.

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    • Super Ascended Sean Pazdera wrote:
      To be honest, Ganondorf is just gonna keep trying until he succeeds.

      If they killed Ganondorf, and then themselves, Ganondorf wouldn't come back.

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    • TartaChocholate wrote:
      Aside Ganondorf and Vaati, are there other villains in the franchise that would be a threat? I can think of the likes of Yuuga and Malladus, but they were permanently finished off in their games. The other danger I think is the possibility of Ganondorf having some servants willing to go through all kind of trouble to get his master back, kinda like what Death or Shaft have done in Castlevania for Dracula.

      In the original games, Ganondorf's minions were able to resurrect him if they had killed Link.

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    • Ah, right. Adventure of Link, correct? Well, if Link is needed then at the very least that possibility would be taken down.

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    • A question, wasn't Skyward Sword Link presumibly empowered by full triforce against Demise? He had the symbol of the full triforce even before actually having It if I remember correctly.

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    • Lgamer099 99 wrote:
      A question, wasn't Skyward Sword Link presumibly empowered by full triforce against Demise? He had the symbol of the full triforce even before actually having It if I remember correctly.

      Link used the Triforce to kill the Imprisoned, but he left the entire Triforce on top of the Goddess Statue.

      He didn't have it with him went he went into the past to fight Demise.


      Link only had the Triforce in his possession for a handful of minutes.

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    • Warren Valion wrote:

      Lgamer099 99 wrote:
      A question, wasn't Skyward Sword Link presumibly empowered by full triforce against Demise? He had the symbol of the full triforce even before actually having It if I remember correctly.

      Link used the Triforce to kill the Imprisoned, but he left the entire Triforce on top of the Goddess Statue.

      He didn't have it with him went he went into the past to fight Demise.


      Link only had the Triforce in his possession for a handful of minutes.

      Yeah I know that he left the triforce on top of the Goddess Statue but the triforce can maybe still empowered Link even if he is in another place in the past. Demise "conquered time" so it is a possibility.

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    • Well it makes sense Demise conqured time that's why he technically has "acausality", he wasn't affected by Link's wish of killing him.

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    • Warren Valion wrote:
      With how inseparable the connection that the incarnation of Demise's hatred is with the Spirit of the Hero and the Bloodline of the Goddess - it makes the truth clear, all three parties are definitely connected with one another. It isn't just some random curse that exists.


      To be honest, I always thought that Link and Zelda should kill themselves Romeo and Juliet style after killing Ganon so that Demise's curse never reactivates. Ensuring Hyrule's safety.

      Aren't some Links completely unrelated to the previous ones genetically speaking? If that's the case, then wouldn't the curse still persist? You'd have to destroy the spirit itself to keep it from returning.

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    • And that’s assuming they’re WHY Ganondorf keeps coming back.

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    • Lgamer099 99 wrote:ctly.

      Yeah I know that he left the triforce on top of the Goddess Statue but the triforce can maybe still empowered Link even if he is in another place in the past. Demise "conquered time" so it is a possibility.

      That's not how it works.

      For the Triforce to empower you, you need to absorb it within, if the Triforce is left on a statue in a different time period, it is definitely not absorbed within Link.

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    • Lightbuster30 wrote:

      Aren't some Links completely unrelated to the previous ones genetically speaking? If that's the case, then wouldn't the curse still persist? You'd have to destroy the spirit itself to keep it from returning.

      Yes, it's specifically the Spirit of the Hero.

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    • Zelda however is bloodline. Which does beg the question. That obviously means Zelda got married and had children. While SS!Zelda obviously got with her Link, most others didn't, like OoT!Zelda. They're probably still good friends, and likely used to have romantic interest in each other but not lovers. Elsewise TP!Link would be royalty. And it would be...weird, if the Zeldas that were into their Links if they were descended from a guy who's the splitting image of their love interest. So who did catch those Zelda's eye? With Link, we can say stuff like OoT!Link had Malon, or TP!Link had Ilia. Zelda didn't have anyone.

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    • I honestly think OT Link had Ruto. Link spent very little time with Malon and only talked to her like twice.

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    • In TP Link and Zelda barely even talked IIRC

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    • Ruto spent the rest of her time in the temple of the sages until she had her own descendent Laruto from wind waker timeline (heavily hinted) Also Ruto gave up on her romantic feelings she had for Link.


      The most logical choice would be Malon not only they had great chemistry as kids but also as older young adults too, and in dialog you can clearly see there's deeper connection between the two.


      Link only really interacted with Ruto cause he needed her to complete his missions other than that the affection was really one sided.

      For Malon Link goes out of his way to spend time with her.

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    • TartaChocholate wrote: In TP Link and Zelda barely even talked IIRC

      Yup way too platonic.

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    • Super Ascended Sean Pazdera wrote:
      I honestly think OT Link had Ruto. Link spent very little time with Malon and only talked to her like twice.

      Since Twilight Princess Link wasn't part fish, he clearly didn't spend time with Ruto.

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    • Who ever said he wasn’t? Don’t you see how obviously and clearly his inability to speak is caused by the extremely obvious fact that fish don’t speak?

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    • TriforcePower1 wrote:
      Who ever said he wasn’t? Don’t you see how obviously and clearly his inability to speak is caused by the extremely obvious fact that fish don’t speak?

      >Impying Fish don't speak



      Fool

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    • Fish don't speak....... So we just gonna ignore the Fishman race in wind waker literal fish that talk.?



      Foolish TFP1 you can't deny the truth!!!

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    • You guys think they're be a Calamity Ganon or Mummy Ganondorf amiibo? 

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    • No.

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    • Not sure about Mummy Ganon, but a Calamity Ganon Amiibo would be pretty dope =P

      Also, we all know LinkxHyrule is the OTP, otherwise why would he risk so much repeatedly to save it?

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    • My hobby is making profiles for random characters in Skyward Sword to eventually upload. I've created five of them already.

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    • If one of those profiles isn't for the ghost hand in the toilet then what's the point in you making any of those profiles?

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    • In honor of good ol’ times

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