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  • Quilge Opie

    Attack Potency: No changes | Town level (Able to fight and overwhelm Ichigo in fullbring shikai) | Town level, possibly City level (He can't take Ichigo in fullbring bankai in this form and doesn't damage him, he was able to damage Urahara)

    Speed: High Hypersonic | At least High Hypersonic (Keeping up with fullbring shikai Ichigo) | At least High Hypersonic (Can fight Ichigo in fullbring bankai for a bit)

    Durability: No changes | Town level (Able to tank shikai Ichigo's attack) | Town level, possibly City level (He gets overwhelmed against fullbring bankai Ichigo, but is able to take hits from him hence possibly)

    Key: Base | Quincy Vollständig | After absorbing Ayon

    Uryū Ishida

    Attack Potency: No changes | No changes | Unknown

    Durability: Multi-City Block level, possibly Town level (Was able to tank Ulquiorra's attacks) | Multi-City Block level, possibly Town level | Unknown (Fought Almighty Haschwalth offscreen and survived the night. Hachwalth said he was inconvenienced by not having his usual powers but to what extent he was affected is Unknown)

    Key: Pre-Timeskip | Post-Timeskip | Thousand Year Blood War Arc

    Yhwach

    Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ with Sub-relativistic Reactions (intercepted Mimihagi at close range )

    Key:True Power

    Yamamoto

    Attack Potency: Country level via power-scaling (Yhwach is the only Quincy strong enough to handle Yamamoto's bankai, Also should not be weaker than Hitsugaya)

    Durability: Likely Small Country level+, Country level with sun armor

    Key: Bankai

    Zaraki

    Attack Potency: At least City level (Killed Unohana at the end of their training)

    Speed: Massively Hypersonic+

    Durability: City level (Tanked Unohana's attacks)

    New Key: After training with Unohana

    Retsu Unohana

    Attack Potency: At least City level, possibly higher

    Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ via power-scaling from Yamamoto

    Durability: At least City level, possibly higher

    Rukia

    Attack Potency: Likely Multi-City Block level | City level via power-scaling to Renji with City level environmental destruction

    Speed: At least Hypersonic+ | No changes

    Durability: Likely Multi-City Block level | City level

    Key: Post Time Skip | Post-Royal Guard Training

    Renji

    Attack Potency: No changes | City level (Presumably matched Bazz-B offscreen)

    Speed: At least Hypersonic+ | No changes

    Durability: No changes | City level

    Key: Post time Skip | Royal Guard Training

    Jūshirō Ukitake

    Attack Potency: At least Town level, possibly City level via power-scaling from Shunsui

    Speed: At least High Hypersonic, possibly Massively Hypersonic+

    Durability: At least Town level, possibly City level via power-scaling from Shunsui

    Shinji

    Attack Potency: Town level | At least Town level with mask | At least Town level

    Durability: Town level | At least Town level with mask | At least Town level

    Key: Pre-Timeskip | Hollow Mask Pre-Timeskip | Post-Timeskip

    As Nodt

    Attack Potency: At least Town level | At least Large Town level via power-scaling from Mask

    Key: Base | Quincy Vollstandig

    Bazz-B

    Attack Potency: City level (Offset Yamamoto's Flames with his own) | At least City level | City level

    Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ | No changes | No Changes

    Durability: At least City level | At least City level | City level

    Key: Base | Quincy: Vollständig | Post-Auswählen

    Mask De Masculine

    Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ | Massively Hypersonic+

    Key: Base | Quincy: Vollständig

    Cang Du

    Attack Potency: Town level | Town level

    Speed: High Hypersonic | High Hypersonic

    Durability: Town level | City level (Tanked an attack from Haschwalth)

    Key: Hitsugaya's Bankai | Base

    BG9

    Attack Potency: Town level | At least Town level with Sui-Feng Bankai

    Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ | Massively Hypersonic+

    Key: Base | with Sui-Feng Bankai

    Bambietta Basterbine

    Attack Potency: At least Town level | At least Town level | At least City level  (Superior to the other Female Sternritter)

    Durability: At least Town level | At least Town level | At least City level (Shrugged off a direct hit from Bazz B)

    Key: Base with Komamura's Bankai | Base | Quincy: Vollstandig

    Candice Catnipp and Meninas McAllon

    Durability: City level | At least City level

    Key: Base | Quincy: Vollstandig

    Giselle Gewelle and Liltotto Lamperd

    Attack Potency: Town level | At least Town level

    Durability: City level (Shrugged off direct hits from Bazz B) | At least City level

    Key: Base | Quincy: Vollstandig

    Kisuke Urahara

    Attack Potency: At least City level, Unknown with Bankai

    Key: Bankai

    Ulquiorra Cifer

    Attack Potency: At least Town level | At least Town level, City level with Cero Oscuras | City level

    Key: Base | Resurrección | Resurrección: Segunda Etapa

    Coyote Starrk

    Attack Potency: City level (Able to fight evenly with Shunsui, albiet casually) | At least City level (Took on Love, Rojuro, Ukitake and Shunsui. Was fighting evenly and was able to hurt Shunsui)

    Durability: City level (Fought on par with Shunsui, tanked his bushogoma) | At least City level (Tanked multiple attacks from Love and Rojuro. Also tanked attacks from Shunsui)

    Key: Base | Resurrección

    Tier Harribel

    Durability: Likely City level (Survived attacks from Aizen)

    Key: Resurrección

    Gin Ichimaru

    Attack Potency: At least City level (Is at least superior to Starrk)

    Ichibe

    Something I found while digging in some old threads is this for Ichibe's speed (Mach 3995.332).

    Aizen and Ichigo

    Also, should Aizen's and Ichigo's transcendent form and their form (True Shikai and Chair Aizen) speed be scaled to Ichibe's? Also would like opinions on this one too.

    Others

    Yushiro and Nemu placed at Unknown AP and Durability.

    Ushoda Hachigen durability MCB normally, at least town with barrier.

    Swapping Kensei, Rojuro Otorobashi, Love Aikawa and PePe stats around.

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    • About Quilge, so we not gonna scales him to Candice(sorry my bad, not from giselle)and urahara? since he can hurt urahara? also As I say Unohana bankai can be scales from Kenpachi, since she can temporarily keep up with him, and I not sure about Aizen speed scaled to Ichibe, although ichigo Melded Hollow Form should  , in fact by feat he should be faster that Ichibe(heck I belive he should be Sub-Relativistic, But I will wait until he get better feat)

      The rest I currently still thinking about it.

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    • Seems fine: Off topic the odb has rated ichigo mhs since the SS arc based on this calc (could someone fix the link plz) and i was wondering should we do the same?

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    • We not rated ichigo mhs+ base on his own speed(his speed calc only mhs), but mainly base on Candice.

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    • i know, i was just saying for his pre timeskip stats

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    • Well if his pre timeskip stats mhs, then we must discuss whether or not to upgrade a ton of Relevant person's that scales to him...

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    • @Jim. When did Quilge hurt Urahara? And about the speed, I'm still thinking. He can be scaled since Yhwach sent him to fight Ichigo, but only because he thought Ichigo couldn't escape from Quilge's jail. So I don't know if he is relevant or used as a fodder. But then we would have to scale Ginjo and Ichigo too.

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    • About Quilge Here

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    • Hmm. Could you link the whole fight? It's late here and I'm on my phone so it's kinda hard to do stuff. Getting ready to sleep too. I will have to get back to you when I wake up.

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    • I don't think that is enough to be upgraded. Anyway, it seems it's only going to be the two of us. I'm going to go sleep and check back later.

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    • He paralyze urahara for a moment. since otherwise, urahara can just attack him.

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    • I don't know... We're going to need more opinions on this.

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    • At first I also want to scales his speed to urahara, but since they do not fight directly, so maybe not.

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    • Sora'sOther wrote:
      Seems fine: Off topic the odb has rated ichigo mhs since the SS arc based on this calc (could someone fix the link plz) and i was wondering should we do the same?

      I doubt this would ever be accepted here as it involves scaling Ichigo to post-time skip characters, which althought he was still stronger than in the SS arc, the verse had drastic speed increases in the final arc, making it inconsistent with pre-time skip feats if we were to scale it. Also its been a while since i checked the calc, but i believe it was largely contingent on the distance between the seritie and the soul palace, which we have a much much higher value for than the OBD which is why we have Yhwach rated so much higher than them. So all in all the calc isn't consistent with what has been accepted on the wiki so wouldn't be accepted.

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    • I double checked the edits on Aizens profile a few days ago. His current form is already scaled to ichibei (I know because there was only one mhs+ feat before the change to Giselles calc, that being ichibeis) So that's fine. He should scale, anyway.

      Another question would be Whether Dangai ichigo and monster Aizen should scale to ichibeis speed. (Just noticed this was in the OP, facepalm. But I do think they likely scale.) Unfortunately I don't have the time to sit through and read all the comments in detail but I agree with the OP's suggestions

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    • As for Quilige I don't really know, maybe rating him small city level?

      As for Grimmjow and Unohana, i believe that they are both MHS+. Unohana is the second oldest captain and should easily be more powerful than the bambi fodder. She was also able to fight against Kenpachi for a short amount of time once he awakened his true power without the eye patch, when he had easily cut Gerard's arm off in base with the eye patch on. Grimmjow was able to land a suprise attack on Askin, who is easily MHS+ who is litterally dozens of times faster than mach 29 so would be improbable if he wasn't at least in the same ball park. 

      The transendant forms should be significantly superior to Ichibe in all aspects and should dwarf him in speed. They easily scale to him. True shikai Ichigo however is more difficult to guage as we haven't really seen his speed in comparrison  to Yhwach's since he's been more or less toying with him. However considering that Ichigo will have to defeat Yhwach by the end of the series, i'd hold off on the upgrade and wait for the likely sub-realvistic rating he would likely get by defeating Yhwach.

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    • I suggested Quilge to be town level and not higher because he is only able to fight and damage fullbring shikai Ichigo who is town level. He isn't able to fight against fullbring bankai Ichigo and gets overwhelmed but he was able to take a few attacks, hence possibly city level durabilty.

      True Shikai Ichigo to be scaled to Ichibe's speed was because Ichigo is most likely going to get sub-rei in a different form. So either he scales or he will stay at the one he is at now.

      But all of this can be waited until Aizen has return from his holidays and is able to check all of this. 

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    • Volundox wrote:
      As for Quilige I don't really know, maybe rating him small city level?

      As for Grimmjow and Unohana, i believe that they are both MHS+. Unohana is the second oldest captain and should easily be more powerful than the bambi fodder. She was also able to fight against Kenpachi for a short amount of time once he awakened his true power without the eye patch, when he had easily cut Gerard's arm off in base with the eye patch on. Grimmjow was able to land a suprise attack on Askin, who is easily MHS+ who is litterally dozens of times faster than mach 29 so would be improbable if he wasn't at least in the same ball park. 


      This, and the fact that she is the first generation of captain that once beat the Sternritters 1000 years ago is enough proof that she should be at least as fast if nor superior than bambi fodders.

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    • Ooo. I just remembered that no one calced the feat where Hitsugaya stopped one part of the city from falling in bankai mode.

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    • KuuIchigo wrote:
      Ooo. I just remembered that no one calced the feat where Hitsugaya stopped one part of the city from falling.

      When did it happen?

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    • From this thread.

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    • Oh..apparently for some reason almost no one give a damn about that thread...

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    • Yeah... I asked it to be checked in the new calculation thread. If it is an upgrade for Hitsugaya, I'll also add it in here too.

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    • Rating Quilge at town level is complete nonsense considering that would mean he's a fodder to the female Sternritter and it's heavily implied he's one of the stronger members. Also, it's implied that it was he who beat the hell out of Tier so he's at least a city-leveler.

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    • Actually, all of them except maybe Bamibietta and Candice should be downgraded to 7-C. I'll update the post.

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    • Tivanenk wrote:
      Rating Quilge at town level is complete nonsense considering that would mean he's a fodder to the female Sternritter and it's heavily implied he's one of the stronger members. Also, it's implied that it was he who beat the hell out of Tier so he's at least a city-leveler.

      tier harribel? it's Yhwach who do that?

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    • Shit. They damaged a Zaraki who is small country level... I guess a weakened one should be the 7-C right? I don't know. I'll just say 7-C.

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    • Just downgrade Her to 7-C, in fact I will do that myself.

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    • No. We'll do it when all of this approved. Because post skip Zaraki is 7-C while Hirako is 7-B. I doubt that Zaraki is weaker than Hirako. So he should be able to scale.

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    • Found more thing to discuss:

      -Zaraki Kenpachi

      Durability: At least Town level (Survived an attack from Komamura’s Shikai and Tosen's attack with little injuries, was also able to deflect a Cero from Nnoitra with his bare hand) | At least Town level, likely higher | Small Country level+, likely higher | Country level

      Key: Pre-Skip  | Post-Skip | Shikai | Bankai

      His shikai not give him any durability boost, just AP.


      -Candice Catnipp

      Attack Potency: City level (Was able to incapacitate a weakened Kenpachi Zaraki) | At least City level (Galvano Javelin possesses enough power to cancel out a Getsuga Tenshō from Ichigo)

      Key: Base | Quincy: Vollständig

      Her base should be Town level, but her Vollständig should we little bit scales her from ichigo True Zanpakuto?

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    • I have already said it countless times and i will say it again..... there is no reason for Hirako to be City level.

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    • Jim, I would appreciate it if you can find any faulty stats or scaling and post it here. We might as well change them all. I updated the thread. I know we should wait until Bleach ends, but that may not even be soon.

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    • @Kkapoios. Okay. Could you also list anything that you don't agree? I might as well make this a Bleach revision thread.

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    • Jesus christ, from me trying to upgrade grimmjow speed, this is now has become Bleach revision thread...

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    • Ikr. Just goes to show that if we don't check out the HST's profiles, they have inaccurate stats everwhere. I want them to be as accurate as possible.

      Unless you guys think we should just wait for Bleach to finish before doing any of this? I don't mind either way. 

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    • Just curious, is kenpachi At least 7-C is from fullbring arc? or before he get power up from get beaten over and over again from unohana?

      KuuIchigo wrote:

      Unless you guys think we should just wait for Bleach to finish before doing any of this? I don't mind either way. 

      No, Just try to do it now and let see if we can clean their stats.

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    • Let's see

      Hirako should be Town level via powerscaling from the other vizards.He didn't really damage Aizen and casually defeating an one armed Grimmjow isn't enough to put him at City level.

      Uryu's stats need a lot of fixing.His usuall stats (before the war) weren't impressive at all.

      Why are Orihime's shields rated as Town level?

      The top 3 espada are rated City level for a technique they have never shown.

      Royd Lloyd didn't remotely match Yamamoto in any way.Their fight was just talking a cople of fail attemps from Royd's part to do any harm to Yama and finally Yama one shoting him.

      The royal guard members being rated as Island level without any good justification.

      Yoruichi and her brother are rated as City level+ for damaging Askin a character with no real durability just a weird form of immortality/regeneration.

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    • 1. Agreed.

      2. Okay. I'll check this when I wake up.

      3. They were able to withstand Nnoitra attacks.

      4. Hmm. They should be able to use it. 

      5. I have to re-read the fight.

      6. I guess they can be scaled to Yamamto's 7-B? I don't think they should be much weaker. I think they were scaled to Zaraki's small country level, but was downgraded to island level.

      7. Yes. They should be at unknown.

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    • What about Orihime? Shouldn't she be upgraded to at least MHS+ country level for blocking Yhwach's attacks?

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    • The royal guards are island level because they cant be that much weaker then kenpachi.

      @Tivanenk let's not discuss the stupidity of orihime's shield. It's been discussed before and is considered PIS

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    • Oh my god Orihime agian..

      Also The 3 espada should be stronger than Ulquiorra Resurrección, so that doesn't matter.

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    • Shikai Yamamoto and a lot of strong captaions are much weaker than Shikai Kenpachi and the Royal guard was said to be stronger than those captains.Scaling them from Kenpachi makes zero sense (at least to me).

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    • Hmm. There should be an easier and less messy way to deal with this. Maybe I should just make one for Shinigamis, Sternritters, Hollows and Humans and Fullbringers and place the characters that needs changing.

      I'll have to do this later. I have to go sleep. Sorry guys. It was suppose to be about a few characters and suddenly it became the entire verse... 

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    • Kkapoios wrote:
      Shikai Yamamoto and a lot of strong captaions are much weaker than Shikai Kenpachi and the Royal guard was said to be stronger than those captains.Scaling them from Kenpachi makes zero sense (at least to me).

      No really, since Hitsugaya with his bankai(not Matured) can take direct hit from his Shikai, and they should be stronger than Hitsugaya bankai.

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    • KuuIchigo wrote:

      I'll have to do this later. I have to go sleep. Sorry guys. It was suppose to be about a few characters and suddenly it became the entire verse... 

      All of this was originally from This...

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    • Hmm. Maybe I should just wait for Aizen to finish his holidays and then we can talk about this in detail. Because right now it's going to get messy.

      With that said, could someone close this thread for now? Thanks. Or leave it open so you guys can put down anyone that needs to be changed.

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    • Not sure, but speaking of Hitsugaya, should his not mature bankai being scales from kenpachi shikai? since he can take direct hit from eye-patch less shikai kenpachi?

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    • Ginjo's Large Town level came from a NF calc when Ichigo fought against him.

      ...

      But the calc has a result of 31 Kilotons...so, i don't know why they were rated as Large Town.

      About Ichibe's Speed

      As Illuminati said: Both methods are fine.

      Usually people tends to use the higher one, because, well, you know.

      Grimmjow and Unohana

      I'm okay with Unohana upgrade.

      Not sure about Grimmjow...yes he "fought" against Askin...but Askin wasn't even trying to fight, so i doubt it.

      Zaraki

      He is fine at Town level. City level for Post Time Skip is way too much.

      Female Ritters

      They are fine at City level. they are by far stronger than most of the ritters, leaving aside Top Tiers such as Elites, Gremmy, R/Loyd, and Bazz-B. A weakened kempachi being City level seems fine, i guess.

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    • Nanao should have her AP listed as Unknown since her sword reflects attacks back at them and doesn't really have a set AP for it. Her durability should be At least Multi-city block via scaling to other vice-captains.

      Shinji should probably remain 7-B via scaling but he has recently been made into such a gag character. He's been completely wrecked 3 times in the 2nd half of the arc alone.

      Zaraki should be 7-B scaling to other captains post time-skip, and Unohana should be "At least 7-B" since she was clearly superior to Zaraki at the time.

      I wont discuss speed since this wiki is pretty much using average lightning speed @ 440,000 m/s.

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    • @LordAizenSama, Kkapoios, KamiYasha & KuuIchigo: I would appreciate if you can come to an agreement about this, as I am not sufficiently informed myself.

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    • I thought about it over, and it would be best to wait for Aizen to come back from his holidays so me and him can talk it over. We will also get Kkapoios', Kami's and Illuminati's (if he is available) opinions on it before making another thread for it. 

      You can close this for now. Thanks.

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    • Okay. Aizen can re-open it when he comes back.

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    • Possible Upgrades for Pre-Timeskip Byakuya & Ichigo:

      Is this calc legit or acceptable?

      https://plus.google.com/105243351902353648769/posts/HJ1Caw3BD2W

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    • We should add ability " Vanishing Point " of Guenael Lee to Gremmy . Gremmy summoned him to fight yachiru  . Why don't we add it ? or we will create another page for guenael lee ? 

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    • HokageMangaVox wrote:
      Possible Upgrades for Pre-Timeskip Byakuya & Ichigo:

      Is this calc legit or acceptable?

      https://plus.google.com/105243351902353648769/posts/HJ1Caw3BD2W

      No it's not legit ,he converts force units into energy and i'm pretty sure this kind of logic isn't the best approach on this feat.

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    • So do we wait until next chapter, waiting aizen to respond, or both?

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    • We're nearly done with it. Aizen was busy today so we couldn't finish it off.

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    • Really? well can you please give me the list of what we have concluded? I kinda lost.

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    • I'll update the thread when it's done.

      Nanao was changed to unknown. Grimmjow got MHS+. And thats for now I think. 

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    • Well we still have Unohana, which still At least High Hypersonic speed, and Meninas Tier as well, since she only damaged heavily wounded kenpachi, so it kinda don't justified her higher Tier than her fellow bambi fodders. :/

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    • It'll make sense when I update the thread. 

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    • Okay then.

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    • Bam. Finally finished. Updated the thread. 

      I would like to thank Aizen for helping out tremendously.

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    • Yeah!~

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    • I don't get why Bambietta and Menimas are City level ,Bambi almost one shotted Shinji who is Town level and Menimas "hurt" Zaraki who could barely stand at that point.

      As i said above Ishida's usual attacks aren't Multi City Block or Town level ,they are much weaker and he should be rated accordingly.

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    • For Yamamoto: I believe that Yhwach being the only Quincy strong enough to handle stealing his Bankai would be better justification.

      Things seem fine otherwise. No complaints.

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    • Oooo, what Prom said sound good to have on Yhwach's page yeah?

      Everything looks fine enough except perhaps what Kka said. Especially for Bambi too? Hmm.......

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    • Kkapoios wrote:
      I don't get why Bambietta and Menimas are City level ,Bambi almost one shotted Shinji who is Town level and Menimas "hurt" Zaraki who could barely stand at that point.

      As i said above Ishida's usual attacks aren't Multi City Block or Town level ,they are much weaker and he should be rated accordingly.

      Kami said he is fine with them being City level and to make it seem more reasonable, I suggested Zaraki to have a new key (being city level) so a weakened Zaraki should be around there. He was able to still fight after fighting Gremmy.

      Ishida is only town level in his 3rd key, I highly doubt he is weaker then Giselle. Where would you rank his other 2 key?

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    • Hmmm.....

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    • Kkapoios wrote:
      I don't get why Bambietta and Menimas are City level ,Bambi almost one shotted Shinji who is Town level and Menimas "hurt" Zaraki who could barely stand at that point.

      As i said above Ishida's usual attacks aren't Multi City Block or Town level ,they are much weaker and he should be rated accordingly.

      Candice Could cancel out a Getsuga Tenshou. Bambietta is logically stronger then her, who was stated to be able to end the war in a instant. And I think Kenpachi even when Injured is enough to still warrant City level. Kamiyasha thinks so also.

      abour uryu. mm I don't have a issue with the stats listed if we have it under his letz stil form considering he oneshotted Mayuri but what do you suggest for his usual Output?

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    • Oh thanks for clearing that up, Aizen.....at least for me, i mean.

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    • I also agree with the City level stats.

      We should probably wait until Uryu actually does something before we really tier him...? I mean, Thousand Year Blood War Uryu may be scalable to Letz Stil...? Maybe?

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    • Hmmm. He did fought Jugram but it was off-screen and he was injured and wounded as all hell as well well as Jugram being none the wear....

      I'd prefer waiting it out more then tier him properly.....unless Aizen and Kuu have a plan for that....

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    • Well, since he is probably going to do something, I'm fine with it being at unknown for now.

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    • I will look for feats for Ishida's regular attacks.

      If everyone agrees with the City level stats for Bambi and Menimas i will not argue (not because i agree but i'm very tired and busy these last days)

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    • mm. Considering the Uncertainty with Current Uryu unknown is probably best.

      @Kk ok, thanks

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    • I would definitely put Unknown for Current Uryu IMHO, Aizen. Cause he likely didn't do any serious damage to Jugram, did he not?

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    • Yeah. He didn't do any damage to Jugram. So I'll update the thread and put him at Unknown.

      Edit: Nevermind. Aizen already did it.

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    • Alrighty then. *nods*

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    • Wait, about Liltotto. She took hits from Meninas and beat her after Pepe took her over.

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    • mm. yep That's true aswell. could put both examples into the profile

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    • ^Oh, alrighty.

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    • I have nothing else to say other than I agree.

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    • A minor thing that i was thinking.

      It's about the Top 4 Espadas.

      Shouldn't they have a City level durability? (R1 Ulquiorra, Hallibel, Baraggan and Starrk).

      Why? Well, Hallibel survived two zampakto slash from base Aizen. Baraggan survived Soi Fong's Bankai with just a minimal injury on his face.

      Also is kinda ilogical that character such as kyoraku (who could injure Starrk) being Town level...shouldn't be City level such as Gin? (Although Gin stat is via Bankai)

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    • Gin and Shunsui are already City level.

      Starrk is the one getting city level.

      Soi fong is only town level with bankai so Barragan doesn't get city level durability.

      Hallibel can be argued. Aizen brought it up that she did survive, but she wasn't able to fight back so maybe possible city level durability?

      And doesn't Ulquiorra already have city level durability?

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    • Oh, i though Kyoraku was rated as Town level. lol

      (Btw, what happened to Kyoraku's picture? lol)

      Yeah, the Hanllibel thing can be argued.

      R1 Ulquiorra is Town level+.

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    • Shunsui picture is my fault. I think I overwrote the file's name. I'm on my phone so I can't fix it now.

      And did Ulquiorra tank any city level attack in his R1 form? I don't seem to recall if he did.

      Edit: Zaraki's picture is also messed up. Weird... No warning popped up when I uploaded the pictures.

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    • Raito Utopia wrote:
      We should add ability " Vanishing Point " of Guenael Lee to Gremmy . Gremmy summoned him to fight yachiru  . Why don't we add it ? or we will create another page for guenael lee ? 

      why is my opinion ignored ? 

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    • He is mentioned in Gremmy's profile, but doesn't have his powers explained. You or someone could add it in. Ask an admin or content mod to unlock the page.

      I'm on my phone so I'm limited to only messaging. Anyway, going to sleep.

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    • mm. So I was just looking at our speed page and came accross this in the reaction section

      Reaction speed is reacting to an attack you don't know is going to happen or at a very close range.

      So, should this mean Yhwach gets Sub rel reactions for blocking mimihagi here?

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    • Hmm. Which form? I forgot.

      Edit: Nevermind. It's his True Power key. I think it counts as reactions.

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    • Is there any other stuff to talk about or any disagreement? If not, I'll start updating all of the relevant profiles.

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    • Besides that Uryu stuff everything seems fine. if there's any objection they can always bring it up here. However I don't think theres any mistakes now.

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    • I think everything is fine for now.

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    • Uryu should have a separate pre-timeskip key for Letzt Stil, right?

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    • His pre-timeskip stats is base on his Letzt Stil, unless we have the calc for his normal stats.

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    • Okay. Kkapoios said he was going to look for feats for Uryu. I guess he can change Uryu's profile when he does.

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    • @prom yes

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    • So I'm guessing Ichigo's New Hollowfied Bankai is now at least up to par with current Yhwach's raw power (5-C, Possibly 5-Bsince he had to destroy it before he could use it he even commended him as well as at least Sub-Relativistic speeds since his bankai is literally all about speed lol. Also his page needs 2 more pictures of his new forms haha

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    • Nope. Ichigo has not once been able to fight on par or overwhelm Yhwach for any upgrades.

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    • He get fodderized in 2 panel, so I think No.

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    • Definitely not getting an upgrade after what happened.

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    • Yeah... no.

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    • Not Jim Sterling wrote:
      He get fodderized in 2 panel, so I think No.

      to be fair, ichigos entire abilitys are "be fast" + "spam energy slashes/beams", it would be more BS if he had a chance against ywach with this ones XD

      but yeah, no update with only 2 panels :(

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    • Sin kind of pretty much says what Ichigo would do but the point does still stand that no upgrade will be made for True Bankai Ichigo.

      Speaking of that, should we like note that because Ichigo only showed his true bankai for like those 2 panels alone, we can't apply it on his page let alone use it in a VS thread at all?

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    • Also.

      Should Pernida be upgraded to City level if we're scaling him to Kenpachi?

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    • @Cross I don't think anyone is going to use current ichigo's bankai form in a versus thread for obvious reasons, (every stat being unknown) so I feel the note is unneccessary

      @Prom yes, he should.

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    • Fair enough then, i suppose.

      Yeah, Pernida should given where Kenpachi is at in base as of now.

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    • He wasn't fodderized he was out haxed given that Ichigo has none Yhwach has literally commeneded him on how powerful he got and it would've been trouble so he is at least as powerful as Yhwach in Raw Power & Strength you guys must not understand

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    • ^actually, hax > stats, exspecially with ywachs hax it wouldnt matter how strong or durable you are, he should simply beable to transform the future into one where your heart got ripped out and than crushed under his feat :)

      but maybe ywach didnt only say it because of ichigos usual stats-enhancement, i wouldnt be suprised if he finally gets a hax ability too :D

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    • I'm stIll wondering, why Yamamoto's Profile has a feat of a non canon movie?

      I think, it should be removed.

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    • Which one?

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    • The small continent stat.

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    • Yes. What do you mean?

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    • err, Isn't that just based on Zanka no Tachi eventually destroying SoulSociety?

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    • Okay. Please explain further.

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    • No, his small continent stats come from manga.

      @Aizen and Ant, Yes and his bankai will eventually destroying SoulSociety if he use his bankai for too long(since with his bankai he basically become a walking sun)

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    • So i'm confused what movie Feat Kami is talking about. there is none as far as I see.

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    • The Small Continent feat was a blog on NF.

      Using scans from the "Hell" Movie.

      The problem is that they used "THEIR" Soul Society proportions, which IIRC, we have different proportions.

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    • Ups, my bad this is another blog.

      Anyway, they used their own proportions.

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    • Hmm. That is a problem. Perhaps you could ask the calculation group to recalculate the feat by using our previous Soul Society proportions?

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    • How would you actually messure Soul Society's size? Seireitei you can because is their headquaters and the center of Soul Society. But Soul Society is everything, the Seireitei, the mountains outside of seireitei, the 320 districts and everything else beyond then, etc...basically their whole afterlife which is compare to Earth in a databook.

      Sereitei is not Soul Society. This is Sereitei:

      https://dailyanimeart.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/soul-societies-wall-changes1.png

      Soul Society is everything else, basically the dimension, planet or whatever it is and we don't have the exact size. I recommend it should be put as Unknown.

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    • ^agree, soul society is the dimension to which everything will go at the end, so it needs to be at least big enough for around 70% of every human who ever died :/ and than buildings, places to create food, clothes etc etc (and of course a immense amount of always incoming souls), i wouldnt be surpised if it is infinite in range :) but for now Unknown is the best option...

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    • I think it was illuminati who did our Soul Society proportions, so it's probably best to just ask him.

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    • @HokageMangaVox Hmm. You might have a point.

      @Aizen I will ask him for input.

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    • @Aizen, Soul Society proportions? you mean This one? since that calculation is misunderstand Seireitei as the soul society.

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    • I think the Yamamoto calc may have been attempted to be lowballed by using the furthest known distance for soul society, but i'd still like Illuminati's opinion on it aswell.

      In either case I don't think it's that big a deal if we just decided to remove it.

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    • Okay then.

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    • Mmost of those seem fine in theory, Aizen, now more than ever, has shown he is deserving of being powerscaled to be the second strongest in the series, he has the second strongest feat under his belt and an even stronger hypothetical one, not to mention transcendent beings in Bleach are superior to all non transcendent beings in bleach, that is how Kubo portrayed it at the time...

      About Ichigo, I suppose he deserves to be powerscaled to Ichibe now, given the heavy comperison Kubo made about his level of power to that of Yama-G, who is comparable to Ichibe in a lot of ways....

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    • @Illuminati What do you think about the Soul Society proportions?

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    • can you give the short version of the walls of text that had been posted on the subject?

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    • @Illuminati that in the calc where Yamamoto claims his bankai can destroy SoulSociety seems to be using NF's own scalings. which are different to ours, apparently

      And that when Yamamoto Said the Soul Society would be destroyed via prolonged use of his Bankai, they mistook that as the Seireitei and not the actual Soul Society. I think. 

      EDIT: The calc says known furtherest parts of Soul Society.

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    • LordAizenSama wrote:
      @Illuminati that in the calc where Yamamoto claims his bankai can destroy SoulSociety seems to be using NF's own scalings. which are different to ours, apparently

      And that when Yamamoto Said the Soul Society would be destroyed via prolonged use of his Bankai, they mistook that as the Seireitei and not the actual Soul Society. I think. 

      EDIT: The calc says known furtherest parts of Soul Society.

      If he real can destroy all of soul society how strong would that make him?

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    • Well, if it is planet-sized, I suppose 5-B via environmental destruction, but given that all feats up to that point were far below that, it would likely have been hyperbole.

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    • If he was talking about the entire soul society which is likely planet sized then yeah, this claim would need to be discarded just for the sheer inconsistency/hyperbole.

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    • LordAizenSama wrote:
      If he was talking about the entire soul society which is likely planet sized then yeah, this feat would need to be discarded just for the sheer inconsistency/hyperbole.

      If I think  both yammamto and unohana said it so I dont think its just a lie. beccause why would they both say the same thing.   but yammamto said that it would also kill him.  so even if it is planet level its more like a suicide bomb.

      this is what he said I must end this fast before you and me with all of soul society get destroy.

      So if yammamto does get up date. i think it should say. planet level in death. so its not real a good attack.  

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    • I'm not going to accept it. Whatever they're classifying soul society as is upto them.It could be the furthest known parts of the Soul Society or the entire planet.

      And it would just be a straight up outlier.

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    • I agree with Aizen.

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    • That fare you get alot of people who want fan boy update.  lol Yamamoto could kill you if he hit you that's it he is not planet level.

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    • It would explain Captain Commander Yamamoto did not stupidly use it in Karakura Town, because that planet would not handle that high a temperature directly imposed on it.

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    • Dekoshu wrote:
      It would explain Captain Commander Yamamoto did not stupidly use it in Karakura Town, because that planet would not handle that high a temperature directly on it.

      maybe but i think he was worry of this he goes banki he hit aizen 1 hit kill o shit it was not aizen and he just killed a captain.

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    • Soul society seems to have a separate universe, tosen watches the stars together friend in soul society , I guess size planet for SS is not too exaggerated  

      http://mangahappy.com/manga/Bleach/148/6

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    • Nevertheless, I think that Yamamoto's profile currently states that he could destroy all of Soul Society. Could you look that over Aizen?

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    • Raito Utopia wrote:
      Soul society seems to have a separate universe, tosen watches the stars together friend in soul society , I guess size planet for SS is not too exaggerated  

      http://mangahappy.com/manga/Bleach/148/6


      actually, if we assume SS is the place where all souls will go in the end than i think planet size is the minimum imaginable, think about it, every soul that ever died (except for hell-visitors and hollows) will go to SS, it must be immense in order to store all of them and still show enough place for whole cits to be build :O

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    • @Ant I changed it to match what the calc says (Destroying the furthest known parts of SS) so it isn't mistaken for the whole dimension/planet

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    • Okay. Thanks.

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