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    12:40, October 14, 2019

    the golden swordsman, Gildedguy (rock hard gladiators)

    https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Gildedguy

    vs

    the human monster, Garou (one punch man)

    https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Garou

    who would win in a one on one fight to incapacitation 

    (both 7-A, speed equalized.)

    Gildedguy: 8 (Schnee OneWeeklyBattlesNico-v11, Spinoirr, Unoriginal Memes, Moritzva, Steven Pogi Paitao, real cal hoeard:The real cal howard

    Garou: 6 (Milly Rocking BanditKGiffoniEpiccheev, Phoenks, Dienomite22GyroNutz, )

    tie/incon:

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    • How far into 7-A is garou?

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    • i cant find a calc but he beat the crap out of darkshine who is also 7-A so i think he should be pretty far.

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    • The feat comes from Gouketsu

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    • So Garou is gonna be at a pretty hefty disadvantage in the strength department here

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    • I mean not by too much

      Gildedguy has a 3x advantage at worst

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    • How far above Goketsu's feat does Garou scale? Because Gildedguy scales to being able to harm Bog who was unharmed by 317 Megatons

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    • Garou upon breaking his limiter managed to overwhelm Darkshine, who no sells attacks from Bang, who is stronger then Goketsu's 265 Megatons.

      I think

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    • Gouketsu has never been compared to Darkshine, Bang or Garou in the series. Unless they had some feat that was calced higher than his, I don't know where the idea of them scaling to him comes from.

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    • Hmm I see

      You think Gouketsu is the only one that scakes?

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    • I just want to know where "Bang, Darkshine and Garou scale to/are stronger than Gouketsu" comes from. Because in series nothing of the such has ever been stated or shown. Maybe they got some crazy feat above Gouketsu's though.

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    • Heard of from Gyro

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    • According to thr profiles

      Garou > darkanine > Rover > bang who broke elder centipede's armor who is apparently vonparable to gouketsu.

      That being said, the comparable statement is unsourced.

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    • >darkanine

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    • Lmao

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    • Darkanine is stonk yo

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      >darkanine

      Who's that pokemon?

      As far as i know in terms of AP Garou overpowered Darkshine, who is unharmed by Bang's attacks, who stated he could beat EC by going all out (altough it would be a huge risk for his life).

      (Elder centipede should be comparable to Gouketsu)

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    • It was also stated that both Bang and Bomb stood no chance against EC and there was no guarantee that the last ditch effort Bang was about to make would have worked against EC. Bang backscaling to 7-A I can get but him being straight up comparable or superior to the feat is extremely dubious

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    • Wokistan wrote:
      According to thr profiles

      Garou > darkanine > Rover > bang who broke elder centipede's armor who is apparently vonparable to gouketsu.

      That being said, the comparable statement is unsourced.

      Garou beating Rover got retconned into Garou not doing shit to Rover and then getting stomped in the manga. That scaling doesn't work anymore. Also there are zero statements of Bang being comparable to Gouketsu. We really don't know who ONE intended to be stronger.

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    • I think people say that EC is comparable to Gouketsu because they’re both executives, but that’s dubious scaling, especially since a big part of EC’s strength is that its sheer size makes it hard to do any serious damage without it just getting stronger.

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    • so any actual votes yet?

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    • I think we're still trying to get a read on where exactly Garou stands AP-wise

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    • ok

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    • So did we ever figur out where Garou is AP-wise?

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    • i dont think there was ever a solid number, just a lot of scaling and statments, i might be wrong.

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    • So, since both EC scaling to Gouketsu and the scaling chain are wrong, I think that leaves us with Garou being around baseline scaling to Bang, who got his tier for being drastically stronger than people who are drastically stronger than people who are drastically stronger (and on and on) than a decently high city level.

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    • i think i have it, Garou took hits from and traded blows with Bang who (with the help of Bomb) broke Elder Centipedes armour, who is comparable to Gouketsu, however since it was with help, Bangs ap is probably more like half Goukstsu´s giving Garou an ap of 101.577437859 megatons.

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      Gildedguy scales to being able to harm Bog who was unharmed by 317 Megatons

      If this is true this could very well be a stomp then? With the AP gap it looks like the difference is higher than 7x.

      Garou is comparable to ~100 megatons while Gild stalemates someone who no-sells 317 megatons..

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    • I don't see how that comes out to be a 7x difference. The Bog feat doesn't even represent some huge gap between himself and the attack, it's just not being visibly messed up. There shouldn't really be a reason for the 3x gap to more than double via scaling

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    • What's the minimum gap for no-selling an attack?

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    • to be fair garou´s whole shtick is beating opponents who are physically stronger than him.

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    • Fair point.

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    • Andytrenom wrote:
      I don't see how that comes out to be a 7x difference. The Bog feat doesn't even represent some huge gap between himself and the attack, it's just not being visibly messed up. There shouldn't really be a reason for the 3x gap to more than double via scaling

      Sorry, i thought he wasn't harmed by said attack. No visible damage is less of a gap. 

      Dunno, i think Garou can close the at least 3x gap. We've seen him close bigger gaps before. 

      I'll be off to do something, but when i come back i'll look better at Gild's profile and then vote.

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    • He was unharmed by the 300 megaton attack

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    • @KG Not sure how Garou can close the gap when Gildedguy gets constantly stronger in combat

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    • It wasn't a "shit, nothing I can throw at this guy phases him" thing at least, it was just an ideal tanking feat at best, nothing that should scale him far above the feat

      The level of gap definitely isn't as big as it was being made out to be

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    • How exactly does Gild's reactive power level looks like in-battle? Is it as extensive and effective as Garou's? 

      Garou could go from being almost one-shot by Darkshine from overwhelming him in a few seconds. It boosts both his speed and strenght, and probably other stuff as well. His H2H experience is way higher as well, and WSRSF can reflect attacks. Garou can go up to High 6-A with reactive evolution as we've seen it.

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    • Yes it is exactly like that, though I doubt garou would be allowed to become high 6-A here, though I doubt garou has better h2h experience

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    • What are Gild's feats for combat experience?

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    • To quote Nico:

      "Ok so as far as RHG skill is concerned let me put it this way. Imagine a verse where absolutely EVERYTHING relies on fighting. The very purpose of a character’s existence is to fight. As a result you have characters that have displayed a metric fuck ton of different abilities, skills, weapons, martial arts, and fighting styles.

      All of this plus all of these characters fighting between each other meaning most of them have varied experience of fighting unorthodox opponents of all kinds. Take someone like FLFFL (no Profile yet). Who has over ten official battles in RHG which means he’s fought enemies with tentacles, STUPIDLY HIGH speed amps, explosive Yo-yos, weaponized umbrellas that are also guns, hand to hand fighter experts, bow experts, and much more.

      Even fighting the guy with the umbrellas is a high skill feat since that guy has fought a whole other load of varied and skilled characters of all kinds."


      Gilded guy has fought and outmatched one of the most skilled veteran fighters in the entire verse as well as fought and stalemate a guy who skills topped another of the most skilled fighters

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    • Interesting. I still can't perceive how he's avoiding WSRSF.

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    • i do want to point out that on their profiles gildedguy is an expert swordsman and an expert hand to hand combatant with high intellegence where as garou is a master martial artist with quite high intellegence, im just saying. 

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    • Bob8999 wrote:
      i do want to point out that on their profiles gildedguy is an expert swordsman and an expert hand to hand combatant with high intellegence where as garou is a master martial artist with quite high intellegence, i mean im just saying. 

      Master > expert, right?

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    • you said not me. but im pretty sure that is correct.

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    • He should be considered a master, even the bottom of the barrel guys in RHG exceed irl master swordsmen in skill by leaps and bounds

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    • Also Gilded guy beat jade with nothing but his bare hands until the very very end of the fight, that alone speaks volumes for his h2h skill

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    • i know that as the op argueing on my own thread aint the best but meh... garou beat tank top master, nearly beat metal bat, (both S-class heroes. meaning they are the best of the best at what they do.) took on and defeated several A-class heroes at the same time (while he was injured and poisoned.) fought bang (one of the best martial artists in one-punch man) and before he became the hero hunter (before he was even high 7-C let alone 7-A) he won a martial arts tournament and beat most of bangs pupils so bad that all but one quit (same bang as before meaning his pupils should also be quite good). so im pretty sure garou has skill in the bag.

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    • The expert and master stuff doesn't really mean much, it's just what the person adding the ability chooses

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    • i know i was just saying and i did supply some of garou´s skill feats.

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    • Some of Gildedguys feats include:

      Beating Jade, who is widely recognized as the most skilled member of the Nemesis Clan of which each member on their own is a master fighter capable of taking on entire armies of other master fighters and includes members like Umbrella, who was able to solo almost all of Nemesis, and Benjamin (RHG) who...well ill let his intelligence secrion speak for itself.

      He also beat Bog, who in turn beat Blue, who is one of the most skilled swordsmen in the entire verse

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    • Oof.

      Not sure if WSRSF can be avoided/negated/etc by overall H2H experience. It has only been shown to fail in case the attack it's trying to reflect is way stronger than the user of WSRSF.

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    • Garou's skill feats:

      Prior to the series starting was already a master of multiple martial arts by virtue of his dojo crushing hobby and user of WSRSF wich is one of the strongest martial arts in the verse. 

      Was able to copy techniques after seeing them only once,the most notorious being WICF, who is used by master comparable to bang.

      Can dodge and counterattack against someone capable of blitzing his reaction and movement speed through analytical prediction.

      Was able to deflect blows from Metal Bat with WSRSF and stated that if a single blow connected he would have lost instantly. 

      Can amp himself with abandonment

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    • Gildedguy's amp is equal to garou's but Gildedguy is starting with the ap advantage so it's unlikely that garou will catch up ap or speed wise

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    • well half monster garou (the 7-A one) was able to (temporarily) compete with and somewhat keep up with orochi (even after taking several hits from him he kept going.) after just a few seconds to minutes of fighting.

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    • It took Gildedguys a few seconds to go from being stomped by Jade to being completely undamaged by her attacks

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    • if i remember that fight correctly i wouldnt say he was undamaged, he just realised he couldnt beat her without his sword so he started wrecking stuff to distract her while he grabbed his sword and caught her by suprise. although we may be thinking of diffrent fights here´s the one i was thinking of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDGlYxtCK1o. and besides jade aint a possibly tier 6 character as far as im aware so the gap gilded overcame should be smaller then garous.

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    • No in the fight im referring to he went from being stomped to backhanding her attacks away and literally walking through them

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    • Wait, is this Garou immediately after his fight with darkshine?

      Because if so,all he does after that in the webcomic is walk away from the fight, talk about how his body is weird, terrify fubuki with his aura, fight golden sperm for a few panels and explode into his awakened form as he beats him.

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    • orochi is a manga only character garou fought orochi in chapter 92 of the manga just as the heros were starting to move towards z-city.

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    • I mean, Garou got from 7-A to High 6-A in a fight that took instants.

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    • Voting Garou via WSRSF, superior reactive evolution, information analysis, pain tolerance, adaptability, low-mid regeneration, and analytical prediction.

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    • Garou doesnt have comparable h2h experience, Gilded has superior reactive evolution, Gilded's pain tolerance should be far superior seeing as he endured his body being filled with acid, and Gilded stalemated a guy who had Mid-High regen

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    • What makes you think Gilded has superior RE?

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    • In seconds he went from being stomped by his opponent to being undamaged by his opponent and literally walking through her strongest attacks

      Garou going above 7-A in this fight is not allowed btw

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    • If both have REs this fast, and going above 7-A isn't allowed, the 3x AP difference is kinda useless.

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    • Gonna vote Garou via better H2H and experience, Analytical Prediction and Instinctive Reaction so Glide isn't hitting him anytime soon, Power Mimicry and Info Analysis that'll allow Garou to understand his movements and copy them, more intelligence, and Reactive Evolution, skill, and passive fear aura.

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    • @Milly Garou doesnt have better h2h or experience and GG has beaten people who scale to people who have centuries more experience than him

      Danmaku sword slashes hard counter instinctive reaction

      Aside from swinging a sword GG doesnt have anything for Garou to copy

      GG and Garoun have equal reactive evolution so thats not an advantage for Garou

      GG beat a guy who has a passive fear aura

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    • Lol, Garou was able to fight Bang whilst nearly dead after going through an absolute laundry list of fights, even him questioning where he was getting so much strength from. He later than fights Orochi in a hard fought battle, while already in bad shape and was still standing a chance. Both of them easily over 50-60+ years old, especially Orochi.

      I highly doubt his Danmaku is overpowering AP and IR, whilst he analyzes them and figures out a way to dodge it easier.

      The way you mention his H2H makes me think he has actual martial arts to copy, sooo.

      Garou went from 7-A to High 6-A, that is not equal. He might not be able to exceed his key, but he'll easily be far above Glide's with enough time, which he is gonna have since there's no way Glide is getting past AP and IR.

      Don't see a resistance on the profile.

      Anything Glide can do can merely be reflected if it somehow becomes stronger than him.

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    • I don't see how one can do Danmaku with a sword, specially when it's not listed on their pages. As i said, the RE here is an advantage for Garou because both will cap at 7-A and the initial AP advantage GG had is gone.

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    • Imo WSRSF is the key here, without it i'd vote GG.

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    • KGiffoni wrote: I don't see how one can do Danmaku with a sword, specially when it's not listed on their pages. As i said, the RE here is an advantage for Garou because both will cap at 7-A and the initial AP advantage GG had is gone.

      This is how

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    • Btw, now that i think better about it, only the tier is capped. Garou gets faster, durable, and also more experient the more he advances and his RE is indeed superior FRA.

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    • Don't forget he also has WICF, and I believe he merged WSRSF to make WWSRASRF. Lots of letters.

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    • @KG Please show me where Garou has hundreds of years of experience?

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    • @Milly GG fought Jade, who would skill stomp damn near everyone in OPM, with just his bare hands

      He doesnt, he's a swordsman not a martial artist.

      Garou is not allowed to become High 6-A in this fight so i dont see how that is relevant here. Gilded starts with a 3x advantage.

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    • Skill between verses is hard to compare, Gildedguy has a lot of conventional skill scaling but Garou has the better skill feats, such as fighting and even overwhelming someone who could bltiz him through raw skill, deflecting one-shotting blows with WSRSF,copying and developing countermeasures to fighting styles he only saw once, and evolving his martial skill,speed and physical strenght to be above a guy who broke through his WSRSF and his chest with a single strike in a little more than a few exchanges of blow.

      Pain resistance is also iffy, since garou was getting scorched alive by Orochi's flames and still kept fighting

      He dodged danmaku from golden ball who could ricochet dozens of bullets to strike him from all angles including blindspots, and later on deflected literal machine gun fire while weakened.

      Garou's reactive evolution let him stomp a guy he couldn't harm and could one shot him, Jade is comparable to gildedguy, since he didn't get fazed by her punches and her flame attack barely got past his armor.

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    • KGiffoni
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    • Overall, I see nothing that Glide can even do. 

      He loses in skill as proven multiple times here, danmaku and regular attacks are uselsss since AP and IR, RE has stated to be better multiple times, anything Glide can do is merely reflected if needed, Immortality Type 2 and heavy pain tolerence, I still see no fear resistance.

      All he has is range.

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote: @Milly GG fought Jade, who would skill stomp damn near everyone in OPM, with just his bare hands

      He doesnt, he's a swordsman not a martial artist.

      Garou is not allowed to become High 6-A in this fight so i dont see how that is relevant here. Gilded starts with a 3x advantage.

      Getting more durable, faster and more skilled doesn't account for a tier change, does it?

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    • Gildedguy is more skilled than Garou, i genuinely have no idea why you think otherwise

      Garou becoming High 6-A is irrelivant here so i dont see why thats being brought up

      GG has comparable if not superior pain tolerance

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    • @KG It does, but the problem is GG will be matching Garou's AP and speed changes with his own, and Garou only became High 6-A after a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time of evolving through 7-A

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    • Actually, no. He goes straight from 7-A to High 6-A in his fight against Golden Sperm.

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    • He was already at his peak as a 7-A tho.

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    • Also, if we gave "my hundred years of combat experience  preference over actual skill feats, Connie would skillstomp ikki for beating a being who had 10,000 years of experience while the latter is just 16 years old

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    • You're really giving no evidence on why he's more skilled. Fighting someone with hundreds of years of experience, compared what we've stated, including:

      •  Prior to the series starting was already a master of multiple martial arts by virtue of his dojo crushing hobby and user of WSRSF wich is one of the strongest martial arts in the verse. 
      • Was able to copy techniques after seeing them only once,the most notorious being WICF, who is used by master comparable to bang.
      • Can dodge and counterattack against someone capable of blitzing his reaction and movement speed through analytical prediction.
      • Was able to deflect blows from Metal Bat with WSRSF and stated that if a single blow connected he would have lost instantly. 
      • Copying and developing countermeasures to fighting styles he only saw once, and evolving his martial skill,speed and physical strenght to be above a guy who broke through his WSRSF and his chest with a single strike in a little more than a few exchanges of blow.
      • Was able to fight two people easily comparable after fighting Metal Bat, getting whooped by Watchdog Man, oneshot into unconsciousness by Saitama, fighting multiple A and B class heroes, getting poisoned, fighting Genos, fighting Bang, resting for a bit, whilst not even a full health.
      • Keep in mind, the person who gave Garou Immortality Type 2 was one shot in the rematch.

      Not giving much for pain tolerence either, Garou literally has Immortality Type 2, lol.

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    • Exactly, he's not starting at peak 7-A here

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    • How not? This is Half Monster Garou, the one after Orochi and before Darkshine, so it's pretty damn close.

      Could someone bring in scans about Garou's sudden experience change with MCGSF and all that? He definitly matches GG in the skill department at that point.

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    • What i'm saying is, going further than 7-A is not allowed here, ok. But speed and experience in both cases here aren't why they are the tiers they are, it's their AP. Garou's RE > GG's RE FRA, so logically there will be a point where GG can't keep up with Garou's speed and experience. Even if speed is equalized at the start point, speed amps are still allowed.

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    • GG's speed increases with his AP due to his RE

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    • Yeah, but Garou's RE > GG's RE.

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    • So will Garou's. Garou can't exceed Tier 7, but he can be insanely above baseline, far faster than Glide can. 

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    • GG starts off this match being over 3x stronger and more durable than Garou and increases exponentially in seconds

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    • Again, so does Garou. 

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    • Garou goes tiers above in instants.

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    • So once again, Garou via better RE, IR and AP.

      Not even gonna get into skill again.

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    • So is this a stomp because Garou takes a couple seconds and is somewhere between large island and multi-continental? Plus he has absurd stamina and decent regen so he’s absolutely not getting brought down in that time.

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    • No, because going further than 7-A is not allowed and GG has experience with people who have superior regen than Garou.

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    • GG can win, but only and ONLY If he takes Garou out before his speed and skill amps go to a level where GG can't keep up.

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    • ha! 80+ posts in and someone finally votes! counted! (sorry i took so long.)

      and garou maxes out at mountain level for this fight that was just to show that is reactive evolution is really fast, as it can go from mountian level to large island level in a very short amount of time and gildedguy´s starting ap is impressive enough that even max level 7-A shouldnt oneshot so its not a stomp, gilded is just gonna be fighting an uphill battle until he catches up ap wise. (that is if he isnt offed before that happens.)

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    • Garou FRA 

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    • counted.

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    • I think you're counting the votes for the wrong fighter.

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    • oh... whoops. its fixed now though but thanks for telling me.

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    • Np

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    • KGiffoni wrote: GG can win, but only and ONLY If he takes Garou out before his speed and skill amps go to a level where GG can't keep up.

      Seeing as GG starts at a 3x advantage, has a bladed weapon that can cross the range gap, and leads with going for the kill i dont see why he wouldnt be able to

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    • yeah thats why it isnt a stomp, however repeating whats already been said wont change someones vote, so unless your gonna vote or you got something new it would be best to avoid being aggresive.

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    • He's not being offensive, he's just stating what he thinks. However, i do agree with Bob. We had our points, it's better to wait for people to vote now

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    • ag·gres·sive

      adjective

      pursuing one's aims and interests forcefully, sometimes unduly so.


      of·fen·sive

      adjective

      causing someone to feel deeply hurt, upset, or angry.

      i used the top one. the one your thinking of is on the bottom.

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    • English isn't my primary language. Sorry.

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    • no problem, its fine.

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    • So um why is speed equalized? They are both MH+

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    • MH+ goes from Mach 1000 (767269 mph) to Mach 8810.2 (6759794.65 mph) so the upper limits are almost 9x faster than the lower levels, so you could call it a precaution.

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    • “Garou often withholds from using the Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist martial art until he needs to, as it reminds him of Bang. Prone to intentionally prolonging fights to become stronger, typically letting enemies get serious.”

      Garou prolonging a fight against someone that also amps in power and is already higher in power sounds like a terrible idea. Also this sounds like this is not a quick process either.

      As far as skill or Garou copying Gildedguy’s hand to hand skill.....eh not really? Yes Gildedguy is actually pretty damn good at fight hand to hand HOWEVER he’s got no “form.” He’s described as being a brawler by the creator (so Garou can’t really copy it) and besides it’s not like Gildedguy is gonna just drop the sword. What’s important to note is that Gildedguy’s defense is automatically superior to Garou by a large margine. Gildedguy wears ARMOR.

      Gildedguy tanks killing blows to him constantly and survives them because of said armor.

      Jade with her spear form one shots pretty much everything seen in RHG (from what I’ve seen). It destroyed Oxob’s forcefield, shocked Shadow Rose, and also one shot Gildedguy’s armor.

      HOWEVER, it obliterated Gildedguy’s armor but he himself was unharmed by the attack. Even when the armor was vaporized (also by her most powerful attack) he was again still unharmed.

      Garou has to bypass Gildedguy’s armor before he can start to truly do damage to him.

      Fear should not be any problem since Gildedguy fought Bog already and nothing’s gonna be scarier than that freak of nature.

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    • Basically Gildedguy’s durability >>>> his own AP. He’s a stone wall in his own right.

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    • the weakness cited is from his first key, the later ones know best.

      even if he couldn't copy or won't use it he can still devise countermeasures against it .

      Like we said Garou's adaptation will take care of that, if anything it getting one-shot by another 7-A shows it's possible to overcome it without jumping tiers. And even then Garou can aim for the eyes if nothing works, it`s what he (tried) did to saitama

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    • Isn't Garou's own durability > his AP aswell?. Orochi vs Garou (Manga) and Rover vs Garou (Manga) displays this pretty clearly with Garou taking numerous attacks from Orochi that he though will kill him before evolving and then tanking other attacks from Rover and moments later having a run in with Orochi who he tanked more attacks from until Orochi used WSRCF.

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    • Nico-v11 wrote:
      “Garou often withholds from using the Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist martial art until he needs to, as it reminds him of Bang. Prone to intentionally prolonging fights to become stronger, typically letting enemies get serious.”

      Garou prolonging a fight against someone that also amps in power and is already higher in power sounds like a terrible idea. Also this sounds like this is not a quick process either.

      As far as skill or Garou copying Gildedguy’s hand to hand skill.....eh not really? Yes Gildedguy is actually pretty damn good at fight hand to hand HOWEVER he’s got no “form.” He’s described as being a brawler by the creator (so Garou can’t really copy it) and besides it’s not like Gildedguy is gonna just drop the sword. What’s important to note is that Gildedguy’s defense is automatically superior to Garou by a large margine. Gildedguy wears ARMOR.

      Gildedguy tanks killing blows to him constantly and survives them because of said armor.

      Jade with her spear form one shots pretty much everything seen in RHG (from what I’ve seen). It destroyed Oxob’s forcefield, shocked Shadow Rose, and also one shot Gildedguy’s armor.

      HOWEVER, it obliterated Gildedguy’s armor but he himself was unharmed by the attack. Even when the armor was vaporized (also by her most powerful attack) he was again still unharmed.

      Garou has to bypass Gildedguy’s armor before he can start to truly do damage to him.

      Fear should not be any problem since Gildedguy fought Bog already and nothing’s gonna be scarier than that freak of nature.

      GG's dura is 7-A already counting with his armor.

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    • In Orochi's case he was told to hold back enough not to kill him by Psykos, as she intended to mold him into a monster to surpass the latter.

      In Rover's case... you do have a point...

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    • Epiccheev wrote:
      In Orochi's case he was told to hold back enough not to kill him by Psykos, as she intended to mold him into a monster to surpass the latter.

      In Rover's case... you do have a point...

      I mean, "holding back" for someone who's High 6-C is still probably a good amount.

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    • @Epicccheev said 7-A is using an attack that is MUCH stronger than anything else as well, we cannot upgrade a characters’ AP based on Oneshot potential but Jade’s spear would logically be way higher than themselves normally or what Garou would be capable of (or else’s Garou would be Oneshotting other 7-A’s left and right.

      The point is that Gildedguy tanks and no sells attacks from 7-A’s that are superior to Garou and if Gildedguy’s armor does go down from an immensely stronger attack he will still be physically fine and relatively unhurt. Garou will not be hurting Gildedguy much.

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    • I wish i was experienced on the RHG verse to debate this but i'm not. I'll wait for people to opine for a bit.

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    • Good to see Nico kept up the fight in my absence lol

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    • “Holding back” for a high 6C could be a decent amount, but if it’s “Holding back enough not to kill him” then it’s meaningless as a feat for Garou, since Orochi is then only using Garou level+ strength.

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    • Blahblah9755 wrote:
      “Holding back” for a high 6C could be a decent amount, but if it’s “Holding back enough not to kill him” then it’s meaningless as a feat for Garou, since Orochi is then only using Garou level+ strength.

      Yeah, i know. He probably used strenght comparable to the cadres: still 7-A, but enough to give Garou a hard time.

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    • Gildedguy FRA

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    • If it wasn't obvious 8m voting gg too

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    • imagine gildedguy vs garou animated

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    • Epiccheev wrote:
      imagine gildedguy vs garou animated

      That would be nuts

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    • So 3-3-0?

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    • Yeah I’m voting Gildedguy for my reasons

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    • Milly Rocking Bandit wrote:
      So 3-3-0?

      I guess so.

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    • Nico-v11 wrote:
      @Epicccheev said 7-A is using an attack that is MUCH stronger than anything else as well, we cannot upgrade a characters’ AP based on Oneshot potential but Jade’s spear would logically be way higher than themselves normally or what Garou would be capable of (or else’s Garou would be Oneshotting other 7-A’s left and right.

      The point is that Gildedguy tanks and no sells attacks from 7-A’s that are superior to Garou and if Gildedguy’s armor does go down from an immensely stronger attack he will still be physically fine and relatively unhurt. Garou will not be hurting Gildedguy much.

      That's an incon honestly, he still has to take down Garou in order to win.

      Considering WSRSFreflecting attacks with one-shot potential and him being able to defeat someone who was above that  with his RE and raw combat skill to a point where the other guy couldn't even keep up with him or damage him any longer.

      If it goes that way it will just end up with 2 top 7-A fighters unable to harm each other fighting until one collapses

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    • Actually, Garou amps his speed and technique along with his strenght. So if the fight extends, it goes like this:

      Both will have peak 7-A AP and durability so the 3x AP advantage GG had at the start is gone; Garou will slowly start to blitz; Garou will be able to match GG's H2H experience and perhaps even end up superior; Garou's regeneration seems to have an amp in speed as well; Etc.

      The speed Garou's RE happens depends. From my observations, it depends on how bloodlusted and determined he is to win. In his fight against Darkshine, the later mocked Garou's "monster play", what leaded to trigger Garou's RE once again, who completly overwhelmed Darkshine. In his fight against Golden Sperm, it's where Garou gets his biggest boost in both strenght, speed, intelligence, etc. Probably because GS is the strongest monster everyone (minus Saitama who got to know Boros, and Orochi doesn't exist on the webcomic) got to see, and as such meant a big challenge to Garou because he despised their "monstrous behavior" as much as he despises "hero play", and Garou probably saw that as the chance to be the "perfect monster". The fact Garou is half-monster here (after his fight with Orochi in the manga and before his fight with Darkshine) should give him a pretty damn fast RE, the same one he had when he fought Darkshine. 


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    • @Kg Gildedguy amps his speed as well

      And Gildedguys has beaten people with regen far superior to garou

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      @Kg Gildedguy amps his speed as well

      And Gildedguys has beaten people with regen far superior to garou

      Not on the same rate Garou does. That's the point. And yes, i'm just saying his regen will happen faster, more to exemplify.

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    • Might i add, Garou is stated by WoG to have superior H2H combat in relation to Boros, the guy who is literally the conqueror of the universe and is, at least for what we know, far older than 20yo.

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:

      And Gildedguys has beaten people with regen far superior to garou

      Who? if you mean Bog that was a draw, gildedguy couldn't kill him, but bog was unable to possess him and left

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    • Gild fra

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    • What are the reasons again?

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    • Having lots of advantages at the start of the fight. 

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    • Didn’t we cover that wouldn’t matter as he isn’t gonna be able to use them against AP and IR?

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    • vote counted anyways

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    • I don’t see how, though. Those advantages won’t matter if he can’t hit him.

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    • hit him before he gets to fast. shouldnt be impossible with his range advantage and superior ap (atleast at the start.)

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    • Bob8999 wrote:
      hit him before he gets to fast. shouldnt be impossible with his range advantage and superior ap (atleast at the start.)

      Garou could survive something that broke all his ribs before completly stomping said enemy in power, speed, etc. So i think it's very very hard to kill Garou even before his RE starts to fly, i mean, there's a reason he has Type 2 Immortality.

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    • Not gonna matter, Precognition + IR won’t allow that, and whilst he’s trying to hit him Garou will be getting stronger with his far superior RE. Range doesn’t matter, he can merely reflect or just dodge whatever tried to overwhelm him.

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    • then doesnt that mean gilded has no win con and this is a stomp?

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    • Decisive, but not a stomp.

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    • Scans of garou being able to reflect something 3x stronger than himself?

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      Scans of garou being able to reflect something 3x stronger than himself?

      The entire metal bat fight

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    • Garou reflected essentially a physical danmaku, and stated if he was hit even once, he would’ve died. Iirc, this was even before he got AP + IR.

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    • And metal bat was stated to be 3x stronger where exactly?

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    • I mean, if you can be one-shot by someone they're probably more than 3x stronger than you, from my perspective.

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      And metal bat was stated to be 3x stronger where exactly?

      Assuming a situation in which one character has humanoid physiology and is hit in the torso region, the assailant will normally be treated as needing an attack potency 7.5 times higher than their opponent's durability in order to one-shot them.

      Garou getting a direct hit at all on him from Metal Bat would have killed him. Also, There are some "buts" that go along with this rule but I don't think Metal Bat vs Garou fall in line with those.

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    • Not necessarily, one shotting is a subjective term that Varies wildly from verse to verse.

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      Not necessarily, one shotting is a subjective term that Varies wildly from verse to verse.

      One shot in Metal Bat vs Garou's case means death

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    • Further emphasis is that Metal Bat  had already been in a fight against a Dragon level threat, a threat so powerful that it split his skull open and he STILL fought Garou. 

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      Not necessarily, one shotting is a subjective term that Varies wildly from verse to verse.

      Yeah, but you gotta agree with me that that difference in power must be, in most of the verses, including OPM, higher than 3x right?

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    • @KG There are verses where someone barely stronger math-wise can oneshot and verses where someone dozens of times stronger cannot, a oneshot is not a set number

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    • I see this fight kinda going like medal bat vs garou but with a extending sword 

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    • Spinoirr wrote:
      I see this fight kinda going like medal bat vs garou but with a extending sword 

      Same. 

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    • Gildedguy FRA

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    • This seems pretty close and i didnt read all the messages here but honestly im going Garou on this one FRA that i read.

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    • Glid also has reactive power level. So I see him keeping up so it wouldn't be a stomp 

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    • It wouldn't be a stomp but I highly doubt GG's Reactive Power Level can out due Garou with Reactive Evolution, Accelerated Develpoment, crazy skill and stat amp who also, in a weaker and less skilled form, deflected attacks that could one shot him.

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    • Gg has superior skill here, as well as stat amps

      Still waiting on that scan of metal.bat being over 3x stronger than garou

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    • We’ve established that his stat amps are far worse, and his one skill feat compared to Garou’s multiple looks rather weak.

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    • @WeeklyBattles

      Yea, I'm not buying GG having superior skill here, stats amps, maybe but it's not beating Garou's evolution.

      You're not getting it, it's logically to say Metal Bat was well above 3x stronger than Garou's durability.

      And the entire point is Garou can deflect attacks that can one-shot him.GG being over 3x stronger matters little and isn't considered one-shot territory on the site unless he is 7.5x stronger, which he isn't.

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    • His stat amps are worse than Garou's, we've said this the entire time. 

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      @KG There are verses where someone barely stronger math-wise can oneshot and verses where someone dozens of times stronger cannot, a oneshot is not a set number

      has there ever been a match on this site where simply having a 3x AP difference was considered superior to enough to one-shot?

      Because if we consider that a LOT of added matches would become stomps

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    • @Epic 8-C+ RWBY characters oneshot 8-C grimm in-canon, SU 7-As oneshot other SU 7-As dwspite the numerical gap between them being less than 100 megatons, etc

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    • Who voted incon?

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    • Sorry.

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    • Unless there is a stated numerical difference you cannot automatically a sume a character is multiple times stronger than another character just becausw they can oneshot them

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    • @WeeklyBattles

      That happens in every verse but we still have rough estimations on what is considered strong enough to one-shot in verses match ups, if we already consider a 3x AP difference neglible in verses matches and Garou canonically deflected attacks that would one-shot him then Garou should logically be able to deflect GG's attacks.

      It's that simple

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    • Dienomite22 wrote:
      @WeeklyBattles

      That happens in every verse but we still have rough estimations on what is considered strong enough to one-shot in verses match ups, if we already consider a 3x AP difference neglible in verses matches and Garou canonically deflected attacks that would one-shot him then Garou should logically be able to deflect GG's attacks.

      It's that simple

      This.

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    • From what I've been told there is a limit to what garou can deflect, such as darkshine being too strong for him to deflect

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    • Also no, we do not apply versus matchup numbers to actual verses. The 7.5x gap to oneshot in a thread does bot apply to anything else.

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    • Darkshine could one-shot with the tackle shit and negate Garou's deflection iirc and it doesn't matter, the ap difference is only 3x.

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    • Dienomite22 wrote:
      Darkshine could one-shot Garou iirc and it doesn't matter, the ap difference is only 3x.

      Not only he could, he almost did. It only didn't work since Garou had type 2 immortality at that point.

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    • And what you need to realize is, he fought Darkshine after:

      • Fighting Metal Bat, getting whooped by Watchdog Man, oneshot into unconsciousness by Saitama, fighting multiple A and B class heroes, getting poisoned, fighting Genos, fighting Bang, resting for a bit, nowhere near full health, fought two people comparable to him, “died”, one shot the person who “killed” him, fought an S-Class threat, fought Orochi, fought Darkshine, “lost”, and beat him into literal insecurity.

      He was nowhere near 100% when he fought Darkshine.

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    • So can metal bat apparently yet garou was supposedly able to deflect his attacks?

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      @Epic 8-C+ RWBY characters oneshot 8-C grimm in-canon, SU 7-As oneshot other SU 7-As dwspite the numerical gap between them being less than 100 megatons, etc

      In that case we can:

      1.Change the wiki so that now every match where a character is 2x stronger will be a one-shot

      2.dismiss that as weird scalling/inconsistency/uncommon verse rule/ or weakpoint targetting.(assuming they hit a vital organ with a weapon,or the character was unaware and left their guard down.)

      3.apply that to just this match so a character gets an unfair advantage

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    • Yes you can in fact deflect attacks from someone stronger then you

      Its a deflect, you are not forcefully stopping it, just reflecting that damage away.

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    • Also just want to point out that a few-seconds amped Gildedguy oneshot jade who is 300+ tons

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    • Cool, Garou went from 7-A to High 6-A, we’ve already went over that GG’s RE is nothing to Garou.

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    • @WeeklyBattles

      And on the Darkshine case, he hardcountered Garou's attacks with his body technique and was vastly stronger than him that just launching his body at Garou caused him to nearly die.

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    • How much you can reflect depends on your grade of WSRSF. Bang could easily reflect attacks by Darkshine, who is physically stronger than both Bang and Garou in every way, but Garou couldn't because he wasn't a master at it.

      Garou got from 7-A to High 6-A in a fight that took 3 panels or so.

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    • Yall keep bringing up garou being high 6-A like it matters here lol

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    • Unamped gg also casually cut bog in half with bog only surviving due to regen

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    • Garou can reflect attacks stronger than him, but only up to a certain point. An exact number or multiplier or whatnot is never given.

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    • The fact is, his speed, technique, and other stuff amps as fast as his AP, and these things aren't capped in this fight. So in a few instants he blitzes and stomps in technique.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYseJrshwwk&t=135s (10:05) Check this out.

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    • Garou can bring his stats up to 6-A via reactive evolution which would be enough to AP stomp GG so it seems like it should matter.

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      Yall keep bringing up garou being high 6-A like it matters here lol

      The point was GG's amp isn't superior to Garou's evolution 

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    • Phoenks wrote:
      Garou can bring his stats up to 6-A via reactive evolution which would be enough to AP stomp GG so it seems like it should matter.

      AP is capped at 7-A.

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    • The fact that you keep bringing up GG’s stat amps, RE, and skill when we’ve established multiple times it’s far inferior is what I don’t understand.

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      Also just want to point out that a few-seconds amped Gildedguy oneshot jade who is 300+ tons

      False, unarmed gildedguy and jade were exchanging blows and dodging eachother equally, the fight took 3 minutes and jade was still winning until gildedguy started wrecking her museum and landed a swordblow straight to her chin while she let her guard down to avoid her statue being knocked over.

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    • Epiccheev wrote:
      WeeklyBattles wrote:
      Also just want to point out that a few-seconds amped Gildedguy oneshot jade who is 300+ tons
      False, unarmed gildedguy and jade were exchanging blows and dodging eachother equally, the fight took 3 minutes and jade was still winning until gildedguy started wrecking her museum and landed a swordblow straight to her chin while she let her guard down to avoid her statue being knocked over.

      i pointed that out in an earlier post but weekly said he was thinking of a diffrent fight but hasnt supplied a link to it yet.

      votes updated.

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    • In case I haven't voted yet, Garou FRA

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    • Milly Rocking Bandit wrote: The fact that you keep bringing up GG’s stat amps, RE, and skill when we’ve established multiple times it’s far inferior is what I don’t understand.

      Gildedguy’s skill being far inferior is false. If anything they’re equal in skill. This was already established far above.

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    • Yeah, i think GG has the edge in skill at the start, but only at the start.

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    • Nico-v11 wrote:

      Gildedguy’s skill being far inferior is false. If anything they’re equal in skill. This was already established far above.

      All that was established was that Garou can't copy GG's attacks because sword and that GG is a "brawler". Basically everyone agreed that Garou has better skill unless I missed the post that explain or showing GG's feats.

      The only thing that was giving GG the edge was his 3x AP advantage and durability being higher than that to my knowledge, but that has been established to be nothing that Garou can't deal with.

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    • That’s all he has. Range, and his buffs at the start that won’t do jack to Garou’a reflection.

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote: Some of Gildedguys feats include:

      Beating Jade, who is widely recognized as the most skilled member of the Nemesis Clan of which each member on their own is a master fighter capable of taking on entire armies of other master fighters and includes members like Umbrella, who was able to solo almost all of Nemesis, and Benjamin (RHG) who...well ill let his intelligence section speak for itself.

      He also beat Bog, who in turn beat Blue, who is one of the most skilled swordsmen in the entire verse

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    • He got his ass handed to him by Jade and beat her by destroying shit that she cared for distracting her while he grabs his sword and hits her (yes, I know he left his sword at the entrance). This wasn't even a real battle.

      He never beat Bog and the only way he survived that fight was because Bog couldn't get the mind shit to work on GG making them stalemate.

      And anyway these aren't impressive by themselves, many verses have characters who beat armies of skilled warriors who can indiviually beat armies of skilled warriors but that doesn't mean they are super skilled on that bases alone, nothing here shows me anything that would put GG's skill on Garou's level.

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    • All of those skill feats are things Garou has dealt with, and surpassed, lol. Bang alone is capable of doing 98% of that paragraph.

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    • I'd still like to see where anynoe in OPM has thousands of years of experience

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote: To quote Nico:

      "Ok so as far as RHG skill is concerned let me put it this way. Imagine a verse where absolutely EVERYTHING relies on fighting. The very purpose of a character’s existence is to fight. As a result you have characters that have displayed a metric fuck ton of different abilities, skills, weapons, martial arts, and fighting styles.

      All of this plus all of these characters fighting between each other meaning most of them have varied experience of fighting unorthodox opponents of all kinds. Take someone like FLFFL (no Profile yet). Who has over ten official battles in RHG which means he’s fought enemies with tentacles, STUPIDLY HIGH speed amps, explosive Yo-yos, weaponized umbrellas that are also guns, hand to hand fighter experts, bow experts, and much more.

      Even fighting the guy with the umbrellas is a high skill feat since that guy has fought a whole other load of varied and skilled characters of all kinds."


      Gilded guy has fought and outmatched one of the most skilled veteran fighters in the entire verse as well as fought and stalemate a guy who skills topped another of the most skilled fighters

      From here too (lol me quoting Weekly quoting me)

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    • @WeeklyBattles

      And that matters because?

      @Nico-v11

      Seen that, it says nothing regarding skill for GG.

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    • Because Jade is more skilled than the guy with thousands of years of combat skill and GG matched and then beat her?

      How in the hell does that say nothing regarding GG's skill lol

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    • @WeeklyBattles

      He didn't beat here with "skill" it wasn't a direct fight, he distracted her to get his sword which made her let her guard down while trying to prevent a statue from falling and then he hit her, moments before he got downed by her spear. That wasn't a real fight on both sides.

      Because it doesn't explain how these fights end or how GG won/lost. Not all of these fights are straight up brawls and lot of them are won through other means with the Bog and Jade fight being an example of this.

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    • As mentioned before, actual skill feats > x years of fighting. And winning against someone more skilled than you doesn't really mean you're more skilled than them.

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    • It’s very common for someone with far less experienced to win against a far more experienced and skilled opponent with wit, or other factors. I.E, Naruto vs Neji.

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    • @Dienomite I think we're talking about different fights, im referring to the long fight he had with Jade in the RHG arena where he only lost due to her breaking his armor with her strongest attack

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    • @KG Okay then, FLLFFL spent his entire life becoming a master swordsman, the bar none most skilled of his time, wielding a sword that no one else on the planet could properly control due to it being armed with a rocket propulsion system that caused the weapon to be virtually uncontrollable to anyone who didnt have a lifetime mastery of it, had his arm blown off and only became more skilled as a result to make up for his lost limb.

      Umbrella killed him with relative ease and Jade is more skilled than Umbrella.

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    • @WeeklyBattles

      I think we're talking about different fights, im referring to the long fight he had with Jade in the RHG arena where he only lost due to her breaking his armor with her strongest attack

      Beating Jade, who is widely recognized as the most skilled member of the Nemesis Clan of which each member on their own is a master fighter capable of taking on entire armies of other master fighters and includes members like Umbrella, who was able to solo almost all of Nemesis, and Benjamin (RHG) who...well ill let his intelligence section speak for itself.

      What?.jpg

      Okay, so he lost, against Jade in a fair match.You can't say he beat her if he lost the match.

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    • No, he was disqualified because his armor was destroyed, he didnt actually lose.

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    • And Jade is the one who destroyed his armor, where in this did he win or beat Jade?  

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    • @Unoriginal Memes

      That's the one he was talking about at first because it's the only one where GG COULD be said to have ""beaten"" Jade but then he switched it to this fight, hence saying "disqualified for armor being destroyed".

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    • I was talking about both

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    • Look whether Gildedguy beat her or not isn’t exactly the point. It’s that he’s able to contend with her or anyone in RHG to begin with. All RHG fighters are extremely skilled. Gildedguy stalemated Bog but managed to fight on even ground with skill and Bog is someone that has TONS of fighting experience with many other very skilled RHG’s.

      Basically it’s cross scaling skill. Gildedguy would simply scale in skill to a degree to other RHGs since considering Bog has easily taken out extremely skilled RHGs like Blue (no profile), Malus (no profile), Syn (no profile...), and Hue (ugh no profile).

      Bog also went up against One (Rock Hard Gladiators) too who matched FLLFFL the most skilled swordsman in the verse and is someone that can amp speeds to where everyone is motionless.

      So yes Gildedguy just surviving the encounter with Bog is a massive feat and being able to contend evenly within Jade in general is another one (even barely holding his own when weaponless).

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    • Either way, GG didn't win either match and lost the actual one

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    • Leaning towards Gildedmeshguy.

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    • Moritzva wrote:
      Leaning towards Gildedmeshguy.

      https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:2742703

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    • Anyways, i do agree that GG seems to be more skilled and by a good margin. But Garou's RE is simply so absurd that it should guarantee him the win.

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    • @KGiffoni well there’s also Gildedguy’s big defense advantage to consider as well but you’re not wrong about Garou’s RE being better. It’s just Gildedguy starts with the AP and durability advantage (one that increases as well) while having a very solid defense.

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    • AP and Durability at the start are meaningless when taking in account the speed of Garou's RE, i mean, that's the reason he beats people way stronger than him all the time.  And if GG allows Garou to evolve even if only by brief seconds then he gets completly blitzed.

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    • @Nico-v11

      GG never managed to contend with Bog in skilled hand to hand combat, they never traded blows (except in the mind fuck portion which doesn't translate to actual fighting) because bog only tried to mind rape him while GG was doing all the hitting. Jade being skilled in a verse of skilled combatants doesn't do anything nor explain her skill.I am pretty familiar with RHG and I know a good bit about alot of characters in the verse, RHG's skill is being overestimated here seemingly based on them being in a verse were fights happen alot. They have awesome skill and are definitely above average but we don't know anything besides that were as with Garou we know his skill and seen how great he is and has superior skill feats here that are easy to list as shown above.

      Give me skill feats that are superior to Garou's and Jade and GG would "scale" to and I'll concede this point.

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      @KG Okay then, FLLFFL spent his entire life becoming a master swordsman, the bar none most skilled of his time, wielding a sword that no one else on the planet could properly control due to it being armed with a rocket propulsion system that caused the weapon to be virtually uncontrollable to anyone who didnt have a lifetime mastery of it, had his arm blown off and only became more skilled as a result to make up for his lost limb.

      Umbrella killed him with relative ease and Jade is more skilled than Umbrella.

      I think this is decent proof.

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    • To be fair, Alfa technically only lost due to him not wanting to kill (While Umbrella was trying to do the exact opposite).

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    • Still have no idea what reasons people are siding with GG for.

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    • Literally just look at White Han vs Yoyo which demonstrates undeniable incredible combat skill. Yoyo fights on equal grounds with One (Rock Hard Gladiators) as they have fought (and are brothers). This then translates to One fighting FLLFFL, then FLLFFL fighting Umbrella who then in turn fights Jade who then in turn fights Gildedguy.

      Or from One fighting Bog to Bog fighting Gildedguy. Which btw they exchanged blows throughout the whole fight with Gildedguy parrying, blocking, outmaneuvering, and fighting smart (figuring out weaknesses like fire) along with beating the absolute crap out of Bog for a good portion of the fight (but alas Bog’s overpowered regen is a thing).

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    • What makes Jade more skilled than Umbrella?

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    • Also I seriously have no idea where you got the “GG neve managed to contend with Bog in skill hand to hand combat, they never traded blows” part because we see GG beating Bog to a pulp with his fists then stabbing Bog in the face with his sword.

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    • Yeah rewatch the fight they exchange blows quite a bit.

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    • Dienomite22 wrote: What makes Jade more skilled than Umbrella?

      Umbrella flat out saying that shes more skilled than him

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    • White Han vs Yoyo

      https://youtu.be/GWWiBnp1zno

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    • @Nico-v11

      Literally just look at White Han vs Yoyo which demonstrates undeniable incredible combat skill. Yoyo fights on equal grounds with One (Rock Hard Gladiators) as they have fought (and are brothers). This then translates to One fighting FLLFFL, then FLLFFL fighting Umbrella who then in turn fights Jade who then in turn fights Gildedguy.

      Yoyo fought FLLFFL not One and Yoyo won (My favorite RHG fight) and Umbrella beat an older FLLFFL who was unwilling to kill. And I'm not seeing anything here skill wise (as in would be impressive or on Garou's level)

      Or from One fighting Bog to Bog fighting Gildedguy. Which btw they exchanged blows throughout the whole fight with Gildedguy parrying, blocking, outmaneuvering, and fighting smart (figuring out weaknesses like fire) along with beating the absolute crap out of Bog for a good portion of the fight (but alas Bog’s overpowered regen is a thing).

      Also I seriously have no idea where you got the “GG neve managed to contend with Bog in skill hand to hand combat, they never traded blows” part because we see GG beating Bog to a pulp with his fists then stabbing Bog in the face with his sword.

      Yous must've missed the part where Bog was attempting to """assimilate""" and mindfuck GG and not land direct hits while fucking with his mind and laughing off GG's attacks with regen but I'll post the fight for others to decide:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQL-ixTcqWU&t

      @WeeklyBattles

      Umbrella flat out saying that shes more skilled than him

      Where was this? was this recent?

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    • “Yoyo fought FLLFFL not One and Yoyo won (My favorite RHG fight) and Umbrella beat an older FLLFFL who was unwilling to kill. And I'm not seeing anything here skill wise (as in would be impressive or on Garou's level)”

      Yes Yoyo fought One in the “One vs Many Prelude.” They had a confrontation there.

      Bog was actively trying to kill GG throughout the fight and only decided to assimilate GG when GG was tired and weakened. Every other moment was meant to be straight up trying to kill Gildedguy.

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    • Anyway yeah Yoyo DID also fight FLLFFL which again would add along to the previously stated chain. Yoyo gets extra points though since he’s the co-leader of Hyun’s Dojo (the other being Hyun the party hat character....which I don’t even know where I would start for making a profile of).

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    • @Nico-v11

      Yes Yoyo fought One in the “One vs Many Prelude.” They had a confrontation there.

      Anyway yeah Yoyo DID also fight FLLFFL which again would add along to the previously stated chain. Yoyo gets extra points though since he’s the co-leader of Hyun’s Dojo (the other being Hyun the party hat character....which I don’t even know where I would start for making a profile of).

      I would already put the scaling (just scaling) for most cases of their fights like this Yoyo >=< One > FLFFL since it's all inconsistant from match up to match up with some being FLFFL > YoYo  or  One >>Yoyo. But once again these are all difficult to comprehend as skill feats. It's like saying martial artist A defeated or contended with martial artist B and that martial artists beat martial artist C so that means martial artist A is very skilled and compared to Garou who performed x numerous skilled feats. All we know is that they're skilled but not the depth of the skill and what you guys are doing to determine that is by scaling skill and not taking the feats of the characters themselves because frankly....there is a lack of them besides a few statements. This is a problem because it's scaling skill without feats and neglecting the indiviual reasons and outcomes in the battles themselves.

      Bog was actively trying to kill GG throughout the fight and only decided to assimilate GG when GG was tired and weakened. Every other moment was meant to be straight up trying to kill Gildedguy.

      He was trying to kill GG by fucking with him, he was casually toying with him in the real world and throwing him around, cracking his armor and messing with his mind and using regen, all while smiling.The first thing we see Bog trying to do to GG is absorb his sword, the next get into his armor, the next push him and toss him around while mimicking Jade and Nimesis to get in GG's brain and then on and on we see GG and his armor broken from Bog's punishment while Bog is comepletely fine and smiling while having the full chance to kill him and, as shown before, easily has the strength to do so but he intentionally waited until GG cut himself to let him in and control him because Bog thought he could take him over but that failed. 

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    • Dienomite22 wrote: All we know is that they're skilled but not the depth of the skill and what you guys are doing to determine that is by scaling skill and not taking the feats of the characters themselves because frankly....there is a lack of them besides a few statements. This is a problem because it's scaling skill without feats and neglecting the indiviual reasons and outcomes in the battles themselves.

      Is that not what is being done with garou as well? All of the skill feats brought up for him come from beating other skilled people

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    • He has his own skill feats.

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    • Milly Rocking Bandit wrote:
      You're really giving no evidence on why he's more skilled. Fighting someone with hundreds of years of experience, compared what we've stated, including:
      •  Prior to the series starting was already a master of multiple martial arts by virtue of his dojo crushing hobby and user of WSRSF wich is one of the strongest martial arts in the verse. 
      • Was able to copy techniques after seeing them only once,the most notorious being WICF, who is used by master comparable to bang.
      • Can dodge and counterattack against someone capable of blitzing his reaction and movement speed through analytical prediction.
      • Was able to deflect blows from Metal Bat with WSRSF and stated that if a single blow connected he would have lost instantly. 
      • Copying and developing countermeasures to fighting styles he only saw once, and evolving his martial skill,speed and physical strenght to be above a guy who broke through his WSRSF and his chest with a single strike in a little more than a few exchanges of blow.
      • Was able to fight two people easily comparable after fighting Metal Bat, getting whooped by Watchdog Man, oneshot into unconsciousness by Saitama, fighting multiple A and B class heroes, getting poisoned, fighting Genos, fighting Bang, resting for a bit, whilst not even a full health.
      • Keep in mind, the person who gave Garou Immortality Type 2 was one shot in the rematch.

      Not giving much for pain tolerence either, Garou literally has Immortality Type 2, lol.

      @WeeklyBattles

      Lol, no.This isn't the only post explaining his skill.

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    • Scaling skill isn't even bad normally but in a verse with flexuating battle outcomes, characters with unique powers/tactics, joke battles and little to no explanation on skills and abilities, it's easy to see how scaling skill could be an issue verses say Baki, Kengan Asura or Garou who have skill feats and faced opponents with determined and undeniable skill or abilities, skill scaling are fine in these examples. 

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    • RHG does have explanations in skills and Abilities tho, and we dont use joke battles, and what fluxuating outcomes are you referring to? Scaling skill is fine for rhg, they have clear cut and consistent feats of skill

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    • Was it ever resolved how GG was even getting past Attack Reflection, much less Precog+Instinctive Reaction?

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    • @WeeklyBattles

      RHG does have explanations in skills and Abilities tho

      Where at? and is it official?

      what fluxuating outcomes are you referring to? 

      I went into alittle bit earlier, things like Flffl vs yoyo with yoyo winning but other Flffl v Yoyo fights where Yoyo loses, things like that I used to dislike alot in rhg fights.

      Scaling skill is fine for rhg

      I humbly disagree

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    • Milly Rocking Bandit wrote:
      Was it ever resolved how GG was even getting past Attack Reflection, much less Precog+Instinctive Reaction?

      I don't think so 

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    • Yes because it was never explained how Garou could reflect something 3x stronger than himself when people who are not even 7-A+ can canonically oneshot him

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    • Weekly, you lost on that point a long time ago

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    • mmmnot rwally, still waiting for the explanation because it was never given. The only explanation was that since darkshine can oneshot garou then he must be at least 3x stronger when we don't accept such assumptions on this wiki without an in-verse stated multiplier

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    • @Dienomite On the stickpage profiles for the characters made by the people who created those characters, where do you think we got all of the information for our profiles

      things like Flffl vs yoyo with yoyo winning but other Flffl v Yoyo fights where Yoyo loses

      You mean the rematch that happened years later after fllffl already fought yoyo once and knew how to beat him?

      Youre free to disagree all you like but unfortunately that will not change the fact rhat we use it.

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    • Garou reflected a essentially physical danmaku from someone who would oneshot him with a single hit, despite badly injured and fatigued, what is not to understand? I see no reason why people are voting GG, and simply just ignoring Garou’s powers.

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    • Unless metal.bat has a calc or a stated multiplier you cannot simply assume that he is equal to Gildedguy ap-wise

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    • @WeeklyBattles

      mmmnot rwally, still waiting for the explanation because it was never given. The only explanation was that since darkshine can oneshot garou then he must be at least 3x stronger when we don't accept such assumptions on this wiki without an in-verse stated multiplier

      Everyone, including Schnee agreed Garou can deflect GG's attacks.And 3x difference isn't enough to one shot. That's all that needs to be said here.

      On the stickpage profiles for the characters made by the people who created those characters, where do you think we got all of the information for our profiles

      What stickpage profiles?

      things like Flffl vs yoyo with yoyo winning but other Flffl v Yoyo fights where Yoyo loses

      You mean the rematch that happened years later after fllffl already fought yoyo once and knew how to beat him?

      Youre free to disagree all you like but unfortunately that will not change the fact rhat we use it.

      I don't have a problem at all and if I didn't want you to use it I would made a CRT about but that wasn't the point. 

       

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    • Never mind, found the profiles

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    • http://www.hyunsdojo.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=12002 Nothing on here tells me how skilled GG is or why we skill scaling for rhg is valid.

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    • What is canon in RHG?

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    • The Coolest Water Bottle wrote: What is canon in RHG?

      Official battles and animations created by the owner of the characters. So if Gildedguy creates an animation between himself and Bog then the outcome is canon (it was also an official duel however the animator for Bog didn’t finish animating his part so we only got Gildedguy’s).

      It’s also possible to have animations that are not official battles/duels however for it to be canon to a certain character they have to be made by the owner of said character.

      Keep in mind this is a very fluid canon like SCP Foundation where it’s a bunch of people creating their own stories and occasionally intertwine with others.

      For example Jade’s animated fight with Gildedguy works as a canon prequel to the Gildedguy’s animated fight against Jade since there are direct references along with a real continuity.

      Oxob made an animation fighting Jade where Oxob’s fists got destroyed, this is shown in the Gildedguy vs Oxob trailer (by Gildedguy) so even though Gildedguy isn’t the owner of Oxob he is still continuing Oxob’s story. Which would be kinda like secondary canon for Oxob unless “animator Oxob” decides to continue it differently. Regardless however the events betweenness Gildedguy vs Oxob will be the primary canon for Gildedguy since it’s Gildedguy’s animation.

      Is it confusing? Yes. Is there a “real” canon....not really? Personally I look at it as different characters having their own primary canon while also supplying a secondary canon for others.

      Now don’t even get me started on the OFFICIAL canon put out by Hyun’s Dojo which expands on the lore of the world (named Cier) and the power of Rice. Hell Hyun’s Dojo has made things an official canon too but not EVERYTHING.

      Not to mention that in reality Gildedguy is a Duelist not an RHG but we kinda combined both verses into one since they mix and match all the time.

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    • Btw OP, Moritzva said he was leaning to GG, not that he voted on him, he's still deciding.

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    • oh ok. fixed, guess i wasnt paying attention, but thanks for telling me.

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    • np

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    • Mori voted for GG

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    • Moritzva wrote:
      Leaning towards Gildedmeshguy.

      Leaning. He didn't. He's still deciding.

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    • Moritzva wrote:
      Leaning towards Gildedmeshguy.

      leaning not voting

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    • Voting Gildedmesh. FRA.

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    • ok there we go, counted.

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