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  • Schnee One
    Schnee One closed this thread because:
    Concluded
    14:26, August 16, 2019

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    I'm sorry, Speed is Equal, both are Low 6B.

    Natsu Dragneel:

    Sakazuki:

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    • I hate you.

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    • Yes Chaos!

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    • So are their energies equal?

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    • I made the better Sakazuki match

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    • Js250476 wrote: I made the better Sakazuki match

      I don't disagree there

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    • Not hard to be better then OP vs FT but you are a smart guy.

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    • Akainu takes this. Logia intang and regen, higher AoE, better stamina and endurance, Resistance to heat ( Although both have Resistance. ) and a much more aggressive fighting style. I almost wanna call this a stomp. Akainu gets to fist another fire boi.

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    • The way I see it, Akainu kind of just outdoes Natsu in just about everything. However, Natsu does kind of get a break in the fact that he can replinish himself by eating all the fire that Akainu will end up creating.

      That said, this boils down to a slugging match and Natsu's not really equipped to take Akainu. Natsu's resistance mean that Akainu's heat does little here but that weakness goes both ways. The Admiral's Logia abilities means that he has little to fear in terms of physical retribution as he'll just avoid or heal the damage away while Natsu will actually accumalate damage as they square off. Akainu also has him totally beat in the stamina department. I mean, he can fight 10 days against a guy whose just as powerful as himself and was capable of bypassing his Logia abilities to actually injure him. 

      Honestly, I lean towards calling this a stomp because while Akainu doesn't oneshot Natsu or the like, I don't see how Natsu's supposed to make any actual headway against his opponent. Honestly, that's a big reason why I never made this match myself...

      TL;DR: Natsu can beat the heat but Akainu is still gonna kick him out the kitchen. Fire boi gets Ace'd.

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    • Akainu FRA

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    • I can prove that Natsu can't replenish his stamina nor get stronger by eating fire without Ethernano, actually.

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    • edolas fire

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    • 77B4EAFF-D589-4F39-9757-CF1CE291AFED

      This fight in a nutshell

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    • LMAOOO

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    • Hero of the marines FRA

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    • In case it wasn’t obvious enough Natsu gets the Ace treatment FRA.

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    • Js250476 wrote:
      77B4EAFF-D589-4F39-9757-CF1CE291AFED

      This fight in a nutshell

      AJ

      When you put your hand through an enemy's chest just right...

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    • Natsu gets Ace'd FRA.

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    • 1997KD
      1997KD removed this reply because:
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      05:39, August 14, 2019
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    • This form of natsu have both non-physical interaction and soul manipulation(burning/destruction), akinu can't hurt him with fire/heat base attack, Akinu didn't have any resistance to getting his soul destroyed, natsu burn his soul

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    • I love how you go from "Sakazuki stomps" to "Natsu GG".

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    • So? I forgot about his soul manipulation and non physical interaction still, my reasoning is not wrong, the

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    • NPI applies to souls only. Sakazuki isn't a soul.

      His soulhax is also more inconsistent and contextually convenient than his Power Null, tbh.

      In fact, his whole description only shows a single feat of Natsu actually bypassing the body to target a soul and that's Zeref's. Harming a bodyless soul is NPI and setting his own soul on fire it's actually something dangerous to him.

      His soulhax needs to be revised since the description is awfully bad.

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    • He interect and burn zeref soul, later same thing he shows again acno ,how his soul burning is inconsistent?

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    • Akainu FRA.

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    • Did you read what I just said?

      First, he burned Zeref's soul. It's legit. Though for some reason it's considered a one-shot soulhax without proof and Zeref got resistance for being damaged for something that it's unsure would kill him in the first place. This is the only evidence for Natsu's soulhax being combat applicable.

      Second, I explained why touching Acno isn't proof for his soulhax. It's NPI since he doesn't have a body "protecting" the soul. Natsu isn't bypassing the body and targetting his soul. Acno is a soul.

      Has Natsu used this against his current enemies?

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    • I was saying that Natsu affecting acno soul is proof of his soul manipulation. Currently, he only fights merc in his strongest, soul manipulation feat comes from low6-B key, not mountain lvl feats

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    • And I repeat that hurting Acno isn't necessarily proof that he can bypass the body in every single fight. If his opponent is a soul and not only him but the rest of the cast can interact with it, then it's NPI rather than Soulhax evidence.

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    • Anyone care to specify which Low 6-B Natsu? Cuz rn its 7FDM >>> RoT Acno > Dragon Acno > SDFF > FH Zeref >>> DF = Zeref >>> Dragon Irene = 2.1

      The guy can grab fire, lightning, poison mist, shrapnel clouds, wind, shadows, "white" (whatever the hell that means) and hit souls so logia isn't a problem, he can vape materials with similar or higher melting points to lava, can eat molten metal and just spit out the solid piece in his weakest key (lava is hardly an issue). The only thing Akainu has is stamina which doesn't matter considering Natsu one shots to hell and back with the first hit and even when the mode drops, he is still able to one shot with SDFF and after that drops, his normal DF.

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    • Hurting the Logia body only affects the Logia body, not the actual body. Guess what, he has regeneration to just lolnope the fact that Natsu can touch him as an element. On top of that, he needs feats for lava. Just because he can interact with those elements means little.

      I'll let other people talk to you about the heat part since it's pretty obvious that his magma isn't average magma.

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    • On top of that, melting magma? Isn't magma molten already? How is melting a way to bypass Low-High exactly?

      >Only thing he has is stamina

      Experience, precognition, forcefields, stats amps, regeneration, stamina, intangibility.

      Yeah.

      The funniest part is how you treat Natsu's stamina. If he loses 7DFM he won't be able to keep too much energy. I mean, he could pull a BS power up to get into SDFF, but it's not like he's replenishing his stamina here.

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    • The Calaca wrote:

      Experience, precognition, forcefields, stats amps, regeneration, stamina, intangibility.

      Actually, Akainu doesn't have precog...

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    • >Experience

      Acno had that too. See how that turned out

      >Precog

      Apparently doesn't have that.

      >Forcefields

      That can't stop a hit or roar that one shots him multiple times over.

      >Stat amps

      That can't close the enormous AP gap.

      >Regen

      That doesn't apply to his soul or cover him getting vaporised by any hit.

      >Intang

      That does nothing considering Natsu grabs stuff that are far more intangible than liquid rock.

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    • C2 of Omegon wrote:
      The Calaca wrote:

      Experience, precognition, forcefields, stats amps, regeneration, stamina, intangibility.

      Actually, Akainu doesn't have precog...

      He does with Haki

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    • Logia give akinu resistance to physical attack, it didn't give him resistance to other elemental attack

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    • >Acno

      Yeah, it turned out the same way all of FT fights do. BS and one-shot. He can't do that to Sakazuki.

      >Precog

      Yes he does. Haki, my dude.

      >Forcefield

      It blocked with help of 3 comparable people a quake from someone who could two-shot him while almost dead. He blocked when Whitebeard was at full potential.

      >Stats amps

      No, but it makes it closer.

      >Regen

      Vaporized? Nani? First you said he'd get molten now he gets vaporized. LOL

      His soulhax is not only inconsistent but not lethal as well. I adressed this point above.

      >Intang

      Natsu harming his magma body does nothing to his physical body. He needs to target the body inside. Otherwise, he'll still have to deal with the regen.

      @1997 Fricking read the profile, mate.

      On top of that, Sakazuki's scaling to a casual attack. 7.5 Teratons isn't Shirohige's full power. He did both tsunami's with ease and was laughing about it. So Sakazuki is above 2.5 by some margin.

      Compare that to someone who one-shots but can't really tag. It's worthless.

      Oh, btw, Sakazuki should take this. Natsu's wincon comes from soulhax which is a maybe while Sakazuki can simply punch him until he drains all his stamina. He can't replenish it here not even with the fire produced by ignition.

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    • Akainu FRA

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    • @Cal

      No he's right, Akainu has yet to show Kenboshoku Haki yet.

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    • He's confirmed to have, and the people who can compete with Borsalino are proficient Observation users only.

      The only alien in that part is Ace who has lots of speed feats competing with the Top and God Tiers and yet not having Observation confirmed.

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    • AnonymousBlank wrote: Anyone care to specify which Low 6-B Natsu?

      SBA makes it the strongest form, but I kinda forgot this Natsu had a time limit......

      I can switch to a better Natsu form if it's more fair.

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    • Oh boi, people overblowing Natsu again.


      @Anon


      > Acno had experience too, see how that turned out


      This is a non argument, Natsu was getting slapped around like a child even in his strongest form. Natsu was doing no damage with his attacks at all untill he used his strongest attack against a Acnologia that couldn't even defend. Natsu didn't fight him on even ground or anything.



      > Precog


      He actually does posses it, even low level Haki users have precog and Akainu is confirmed to be proficient in the usage.



      > That can stop a hit or a roar that one shots him multiple times


      Funny thing because the gap in Low 6-B is honestly pretty small. Plus Akainu has taken blows from casual 6-B's and continued to fight. I seriously doubt he'll get one shot by anything Natsu can do and even then regen.


      > Regen doesn't apply to him getting his soul burned or vaporized.

      His soul manipulation is a non factor whenever Akainu is intangible as the fist wouldn't even make contact of the true body. And vaporize Akainu? Natsu isn't strong enough to vaporize Akainu. Hell, even 6-B's dont have enough AP to vaporize a low 6-B. If your talking about heat Akainu is very resistant.



      > Natsu can grab stuff thats far more intangible that liquid rock


      Such as? I don't recall Natsu ever having elemental NPI, hell 100YQ actually debunks this argument as Natsu failed to attack the dust dude. Also being able to grab elements doesn't make you able to actually hit them. Not that Natsu grabs poison, gas or anything of the sorts. Furthermore, to damage a Logia you need to force the actual body out. Being able to touch the elemental body wont do anything other than activate the regen which Natsu cant bypass.

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    • 1997KD wrote: Logia give akinu resistance to physical attack, it didn't give him resistance to other elemental attack


      I smell death battle misinformation. Logia intang can make elemental attacks useless as well, see Marco and Ace and Crocodile for example.

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    • The Prince of Counters wrote:

      1997KD wrote: Logia give akinu resistance to physical attack, it didn't give him resistance to other elemental attack


      I smell death battle misinformation. Logia intang can make elemental attacks useless as well, see Marco and Ace and Crocodile for example.

      Elemental Intangibility: The ability to become intangible by transforming into a substance, such as wind, fire, or water, making it so that most attacks merely disperse them instead of truly damaging them, allowing them to regenerate. However, this would still leave the user vulnerable to many forms of attack, such as sufficiently powerful energy or elemental attacks.

      Also same goes for logia df page, there isn't any proof or atleast mention on both page that they are immune/resistance to elemental attack.

      @tpoc The flame burn the soul not the natsu fist, Natsu already shown the heat which surpass akinu magma.

      In 100yq natsu punch the ash guy and if you watch the scene again it's more like he open his chest to avoid natsu punch otherwise he should just submereged and turn him into ash(which he try to do later) also his S.M. comes from low 6-B feat

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    • Natsu hasn't shown heat that surpasses Akainu's magma, Akainu can completely vaporize steel which has been calculated in the OBD as hotter than the suns surface. Natsu's is also hotter than the surface of the sun however Akainu has that passively. And when applying direct contact its much hotter as him melting the iceberg has been calculated as hotter than the suns surface by a substantial amount.




      Not that it matters since temp is irrelevant. Also no, the rules of Logia are different than typical elemental intang. First of all, the body of the Logia quits literally needs to be forced out, if not the attack fails. This is seen and proved with Prometheus and Zeus and Haki not effecting them due to lacking a true physical body. And no, Natsu wasn't able to attack or damage Dust guy while he was intangible. And Akainu can remain intangible while being attacked by two very skilled Haki users. Natsu isn't gonna be damaging him. Even his soul manipulation wont effect him since he would need to hit his true body which he cant.

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    • Qual a temperatura exata das chamas do Natsu e da lava do Akainu ?

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    • no hablo espanol.

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    • It’s Portuguese actually, and he’s asking for exact temperature of both combatants

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    • Schnee One
      Schnee One removed this reply because:
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      00:16, August 15, 2019
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    • That's not spanish, that's portuguese.

      It says "What it's the exact temperature of Natsu's Flames and of Akainu's Lava?"

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    • Temperature doesn't matter as it can be tanked by AP. even the suns surface only requires 8-C durability to survive and tank it.

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    • Apparently we hit grace a while ago.

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    • Akainu fists Natsu a new hole

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    • Schnee can you please delete the troll comment above mine? Thanks.

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    • Mind telling me what he said?

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    • Its has to do with trump so it's probably something that a bigoted bumpkin would say to trigger people.

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    • That he likes sexual intercourse with food, and that Trump is [a bad thing].

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    • True

      YEET

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    • Shouldn't he be reported for that too

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    • He already was.

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    • This thread inspired me to do this matchup! (Includes Akainu)

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    • It was a good try. Too bad.

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    • I didn't know Escanor was only Low 6-B for a minute. 

      But, if Escanor would have been in that form for, like, one hour.

      Who do you think would have won?

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    • Escanor doesn't have NPI meaning he can't touch Sakazuki.

      So...

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    • Ok. I have my answer now, let's stop derailing this thread.

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    • ShadowGun45 wrote: Qual a temperatura exata das chamas do Natsu e da lava do Akainu ?

      Não sei da do Natsu mas tem uma thread sobre a temperatura das chamas do Ace, Akainu deve ser superior já que seu magma em si é muito superior ao magma real.

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    • Akainu kills him.

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    • Hey, One piece characters got 6-B and Low 6-B, sweet, when did that happen

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    • Just a couple days ago

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    • Cool

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    • Anyway, Grace Period has ended.

      Ya'll can add the fight whenever unless it's a stomp.

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    • Does Natsu even have a way to win here, I mean Logia intangibility is a pretty solid GG 100% win for Akainu here, can Natsu hurt Akainu at all in this match, because if not, then it’s pretty much a stomp, since Natsu has no way to hurt or touch Akainu at all and therefore can’t win at all...

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    • Soul hax was discussed to be able to harm Sakazuki. It's just he won't kill him and it's probably not going to happen before Natsu gets drained or killed.

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