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  • Sans from Undertale vs Doraemon from Doraemon

    Speed Equalized

    Doraemon only has access to the given gadgets except for the Dictator switch(it can wish Sans out of existence). Gadgets that Doraemon can use can be found here.

    Both are Bloodlusted



    Sans: 6

    Doraemon: 6



    Suit sans

    Sans

    Doraemon render

    Doraemon

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    • Sans throws Doraemon to the ground sends him Into Danmaku and dies.

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    • Sans throws Doraemon to the ground sends him Into Danmaku and dies.

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    • "Both are 9-B"

      But Sans is 9-A

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    • Oh w8 sorry. Then lemme edit it. Prolly wasn't thinking straight when I was doing it.

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    • I'll also give you guys a link for the gadgets that he can use(dictator switch is still not allowed).

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    • Doraemon timestops, seals and blowns up Sans

      Stomp

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    • Oof maybe I should limit Doraemon more

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    • Doraemon is very Broken xD Doraemon Stomp

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    • Doraemon with Gadgets? Lol yeah no Doraemon makes a real dead immoblie Skeleton out of Sans the same way. When given Doraemon is given the ample chance no amount of attempts regarding Soul, Danmaku, or feezing in place would spare Sans. XD

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    • Doesn't he have to reach for the gadget?

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    • Time hacks with Bloodlust.

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    • Armorchompy wrote:
      Doesn't he have to reach for the gadget?

      Precisely, However this doesn't change much in the words of linkin park for sans "In the end it doesn't even matter."

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    • Tho looking back, I shouldn't have made this matchup in the first place. Doraemon would hands down wreck Sans, if you know both characters. Sans may be smarter, but it doesn't really matter when the overall advantage is too big. Maybe I should close this thread.

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    • So yeah I'm now seeing this as a stomp. 

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    • What? Like, are we serious? Doraemon is shit in 1 to 1 confrontations with no prep.

      He doesn't just insta-summon anything he wants, and there were plot points and scenes that relief on the fact that he needed time to díj a gadget he was looking for.

      Getting smashed to the ground and pierced with attacks that are 9-A way out speeds Doraemon fishing for gadgets in his pouch.

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote:
      What? Like, are we serious? Doraemon is shit in 1 to 1 confrontations with no prep.

      He doesn't just insta-summon anything he wants, and there were plot points and scenes that relief on the fact that he needed time to díj a gadget he was looking for.

      Getting smashed to the ground and pierced with attacks that are 9-A way out speeds Doraemon fishing for gadgets in his pouch.

      Oh yeah I just checked he has no prep, Yeah this could be a big problem then... Though could have sworn his dura was a lot higher then just Wall actually.

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    • Sans FRA

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    • I do agree that it would actually be difficult for Doraemon FRA. But once he succeeds in reaching for his gadgets, he one-shots Sans.

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    • The Web Adventurer wrote: I do agree that it would actually be difficult for Doraemon FRA. But once he succeeds in reaching for his gadgets, he one-shots Sans.

      I mean 9-B Vs 9-A, One long FAST ranged blast and that's it blue earless Garfield is screwed... Literally! Though I swear even without gadgets by his side Doraemon's Dura has shown greater degrees then just wall.

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    • Alright as far as I can remember regarding Doraemon's durability is that he can tank getting hit by a gigantic gun that can easily destroy the ground, the walls and even small houses. As for Sans' Gaster blasters, how powerful are they? I mean are there any feats that show the gaster blaster's power?

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    • Just curious.

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    • The Web Adventurer wrote:
      Alright as far as I can remember regarding Doraemon's durability is that he can tank getting hit by a gigantic gun that can easily destroy the ground, the walls and even small houses. As for Sans' Gaster blasters, how powerful are they? I mean are there any feats that show the gaster blaster's power? 
      Just Curious.
      I Doraemon. refuse to die!

      I Doraemon! Refuse to die to a hollow jokeless skeleton!










      Oh now thats interesting all right, do you have a link to such a feat? What I mean is where is that from? Manga? Anime? Videogame? This is important and might slightly upgrade him following somewhat of a huge game changer in Doraemons favor now with this and I am questioning some of his stats.

      I like to also point out that Doraemon's Stamina while it may not look like it at first one would look more deeply into and it is also a massive understatement of the centuary given he how he can run for hours when his speed was boosted beyond his control and could survive for a good several minutes after his core component had been ripped out of his body which should just be "Superhuman." or "High." Stamina at the very least. Same with his I.Q. being "Above Average."? So a robot that has demonstrated the ability to analyse the situation in the middle of a battle and try to see a weakness in the enemy, as well as the ability to develop strategies against opponents well beyond his level (such as luring and trapping an army of robots within a mirror dimension to prevent them from invading Earth, or developing plans to distract the enemy’s main forces so that he can approach the now unguarded mastermind). Demonstrated some high levels of leadership in the spin-offs as leader of the Doraemons, Talent Cassettes that grant him mastery of specific human talents such as martial arts, with another Cassette containing data of that specific talent from history well into the 22nd Century is Above Average?! Maybe alluded to be much more stats out there.




      As for Sans's Gaster Blasters well physically the weakest monster who can be faced in combat, even below Monster Kid in terms of raw strength he is still roughly comparable to the lowest tier monsters who are Small Building so the gaster basters are probably on that same tier of 9-A Just with much longer greater degree and range.

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    • Uh, Doraemon need at least 3 seconds to pull off somethings from his pocket, which Sans could just pretty much send a bunch of attacks to him before that. Not to mention, some of his gadgets required time to actived.

      Consider that both doesn't have knowledge on eachother, there's an random chances of whatevers that Doraemon pull of won't work on Sans.

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    • Jamesthetaker wrote:
      Uh, Doraemon need at least 3 seconds to pull off somethings from his pocket, which Sans could just pretty much send a bunch of attacks to him before that. Not to mention, some of his gadgets required time to actived.

      Consider that both doesn't have knowledge on eachother, there's an random chances of whatevers that Doraemon pull of won't work on Sans.

      We get it but either way we have something else going on now.

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    • If you guys are arguing that Doraemon should have better durability feats than he currently had then why in many occasions where his durability only been demonstrated as 9-B at best?

      This battle is more like a who-attack-first so almost others elements isn't important here. 

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    • Jamesthetaker wrote:
      If you guys are arguing that Doraemon should have better durability feats than he currently had then why in many occasions where his durability only been demonstrated as 9-B at best?

      This battle is more like a who-attack-first so almost others elements isn't important here. 

      Yet its still possible that "9-B at best." Drivel looking back at it now is down play-sh if this were the case then Doraemon might have a more ample chance in ACTUALLY TANKING ATTACKS from Sans other then then getting one shotted very obviously.

      9-B at best huh? By that logic Sans has 9-C Durability being able to just barely stand from a stab wound because thats all he has shown to be a glass cannon from all of the others too so don't get me started on that crap man! XD

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    • Anomalous N I W D E wrote:
      The Web Adventurer wrote:
      Alright as far as I can remember regarding Doraemon's durability is that he can tank getting hit by a gigantic gun that can easily destroy the ground, the walls and even small houses. As for Sans' Gaster blasters, how powerful are they? I mean are there any feats that show the gaster blaster's power? 
      Just Curious.
      I Doraemon. refuse to die!

      I Doraemon! Refuse to die to a hollow jokeless skeleton!










      Oh now thats interesting all right, do you have a link to such a feat? What I mean is where is that from? Manga? Anime? Videogame? This is important and might slightly upgrade him following somewhat of a huge game changer in Doraemons favor now with this and I am questioning some of his stats.

      I like to also point out that Doraemon's Stamina while it may not look like it at first one would look more deeply into and it is also a massive understatement of the centuary given he how he can run for hours when his speed was boosted beyond his control and could survive for a good several minutes after his core component had been ripped out of his body which should just be "Superhuman." or "High." Stamina at the very least. Same with his I.Q. being "Above Average."? So a robot that has demonstrated the ability to analyse the situation in the middle of a battle and try to see a weakness in the enemy, as well as the ability to develop strategies against opponents well beyond his level (such as luring and trapping an army of robots within a mirror dimension to prevent them from invading Earth, or developing plans to distract the enemy’s main forces so that he can approach the now unguarded mastermind). Demonstrated some high levels of leadership in the spin-offs as leader of the Doraemons, Talent Cassettes that grant him mastery of specific human talents such as martial arts, with another Cassette containing data of that specific talent from history well into the 22nd Century is Above Average?! Maybe alluded to be much more stats out there.




      As for Sans's Gaster Blasters well physically the weakest monster who can be faced in combat, even below Monster Kid in terms of raw strength he is still roughly comparable to the lowest tier monsters who are Small Building so the gaster basters are probably on that same tier of 9-A Just with much longer greater degree and range.

      I can't exactly find a link, but it was an episode that I once watched. It was about Suneo who borrowed a battery to Doraemon that can control a gigantic gun that would instantly take down anyone that threatens him while he can do it willingly as well. Doraemon got shit multiple times by it. 

      And another durability feat I remembered for Doraemon was during the first volume of the Doraemon manga. One of the chapters in there was about him and Nobita travelling back in time to meet Nobita's ancestor. Doraemon gets shot by a stray arrow which completely skewered his head. He didn't show any signs of getting hurt or anything whatsoever. What he did was remove it afterwards without it leaving any damage on his head. 

      I can have a link for the latter feat.

      http://englishmangakid.blogspot.com/2016/01/doremon-18-chin-up-to-ancestor.html?m=1

      The feat is on pages 5 and 6(or 4 and 5, if the title page isn't included).

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    • Stop quoting text walls. Also, does this match reflect the recent undertale downgrade?

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    • ApiesDeathbyLazors wrote:
      Stop quoting text walls. Also, does this match reflect the recent undertale downgrade?

      THE RECENT WHAT NOW?

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    • Yeah, pretty big one. I haven't been really following it so I dunno if it's gone through yet or not.

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    • The Web Adventurer wrote:

      I can't exactly find a link, but it was an episode that I once watched. It was about Suneo who borrowed a battery to Doraemon that can control a gigantic gun that would instantly take down anyone that threatens him while he can do it willingly as well. Doraemon got shit multiple times by it. 

      And another durability feat I remembered for Doraemon was during the first volume of the Doraemon manga. One of the chapters in there was about him and Nobita travelling back in time to meet Nobita's ancestor. Doraemon gets shot by a stray arrow which completely skewered his head. He didn't show any signs of getting hurt or anything whatsoever. What he did was remove it afterwards without it leaving any damage on his head. 

      I can have a link for the latter feat.

      http://englishmangakid.blogspot.com/2016/01/doremon-18-chin-up-to-ancestor.html?m=1

      The feat is on pages 5 and 6(or 4 and 5, if the title page isn't included).

      I mean I might need to look for it then, As for the arrow part that does seem to be not as impressive as the wall feats introduced thus far, maybe its a pain tolerance thing.

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    • ApiesDeathbyLazors wrote:
      Yeah, pretty big one. I haven't been really following it so I dunno if it's gone through yet or not.

      Oh man I can't bare to see U.T Get nerfed this horribly though.

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    • It has not.

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    • Buttersamuri wrote:
      It has not.

      What's exact context of the "Downgrade."?

      Also what do you think of this? It could be possible that Sans would actually blitz first.

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    • Supersonic+ sans is a No No. as well as other speeds (as it’s tier jumping from subsonic+). lower tier monsters losing scaling and need their own feats. Undynes feat being an outlier. And I’m arguing Sans durability doesn’t scale flat. As well, other contexts like no more soul destruction haxs for certain monsters. Frisk not scaling and being below average human. And murderous intent will downright force monsters into below average human, which is why they get one shot

      That’s what I recall anyway.

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    • Anomalous N I W D E wrote:

      The Web Adventurer wrote:

      I can't exactly find a link, but it was an episode that I once watched. It was about Suneo who borrowed a battery to Doraemon that can control a gigantic gun that would instantly take down anyone that threatens him while he can do it willingly as well. Doraemon got shit multiple times by it. 

      And another durability feat I remembered for Doraemon was during the first volume of the Doraemon manga. One of the chapters in there was about him and Nobita travelling back in time to meet Nobita's ancestor. Doraemon gets shot by a stray arrow which completely skewered his head. He didn't show any signs of getting hurt or anything whatsoever. What he did was remove it afterwards without it leaving any damage on his head. 

      I can have a link for the latter feat.

      http://englishmangakid.blogspot.com/2016/01/doremon-18-chin-up-to-ancestor.html?m=1

      The feat is on pages 5 and 6(or 4 and 5, if the title page isn't included).

      I mean I might need to look for it then, As for the arrow part that does seem to be not as impressive as the wall feats introduced thus far, maybe its a pain tolerance thing.

      Nobita's durability is 9-B, believe it or not, based on his feats(he gets beaten up by Gian, bitten by a dog, and whacked by a car at the same day and still recovers in less than a day.) and Doraemon is superior than him physically. Won't exactly upgrade Doraemon's durability to 9-A, but maybe around At least 9-B, possibly higher. But IIRC there are feats Doraemon has that could put him around 9-A, and all I have to do is to find them again.

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    • The Web Adventurer wrote:

      Nobita's durability is 9-B, believe it or not, based on his feats(he gets beaten up by Gian, bitten by a dog, and whacked by a car at the same day and still recovers in less than a day.) and Doraemon is superior than him physically. Won't exactly upgrade Doraemon's durability to 9-A, but maybe around At least 9-B, possibly higher. But IIRC there are feats Doraemon has that could put him around 9-A, and all I have to do is to find them again.

      I mean surviving presumably huge impacted holes on the ground and causing building disruptions is pretty up there on small building NO a great urban range ordeal man, very impressive stuff for an innocent looking 4 foot something Robot Cat.

      We also need to later find supporting speed for Doraemon as without enhancements he lacks heavily in that, has he by any chance at least had reactions to fast projectiles before like say: Bullets, Missiles, Lightning... Lasers? Knowing the setting he takes place in I shouldn't find it all to hard to believe that he did something like that at one point in the series.

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    • Buttersamuri wrote:
      Supersonic+ sans is a No No. as well as other speeds (as it’s tier jumping from subsonic+). lower tier monsters losing scaling and need their own feats. Undynes feat being an outlier. And I’m arguing Sans durability doesn’t scale flat. As well, other contexts like no more soul destruction haxs for certain monsters. Frisk not scaling and being below average human. And murderous intent will downright force monsters into below average human, which is why they get one shot

      That’s what I recall anyway.

      a few I actually agree with... But most of these sound like horrendous down play no disrespect.

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    • You would have to go to the thread yourself to see it. I get where it comes from. Even the below average thing I see the logic in it. There is a lot more to it then what I said. I just summarized it. I definitely never agreed to supersonic+ sans. And I am one still arguing Sans durability no scale to the small building. But the other stuff you’d need to read up yourself

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    • So this thread is main culprit why Doraemon page has lot of views then.

      Sans FRA. No prep Doraemon is dead Doraemon.

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    • Buttersamuri wrote: You would have to go to the thread yourself to see it. I get where it comes from. Even the below average thing I see the logic in it. There is a lot more to it then what I said. I just summarized it. I definitely never agreed to supersonic+ sans. And I am one still arguing Sans durability no scale to the small building. But the other stuff you’d need to read up yourself

      I also don't think anyone had any rebuttals to my point that Sans is too game play reliant to use for vsbattles.

      Several attacks and powers he uses abuse game mechanics that can't be verse equalized after all.

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    • Well. For Vs Threads. A page, well. We have worse characters who have pages. Even Gaster got one.

      But yea. Attacking during a players turn, His special attack (I despite seeing people try and use that). Ect. They shouldn’t be applied to any other fight. But hasn’t been applied or accepted yet. That thread went dead a bit ago

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote: What? Like, are we serious? Doraemon is shit in 1 to 1 confrontations with no prep.

      He doesn't just insta-summon anything he wants, and there were plot points and scenes that relief on the fact that he needed time to díj a gadget he was looking for.

      Getting smashed to the ground and pierced with attacks that are 9-A way out speeds Doraemon fishing for gadgets in his pouch.

      Actually, I remembered the fact that Doraemon taking time to dig for his gadgets only occurs in the anime/cartoons, and the times this happens is when he panics or doesn't specifically know what item he's looking for. In the manga, however, Doraemon can just simply take out the item that he wants to take out immediately. This is even proven further when Nobita in the manga got ahold of Doraemon's spare pocket.

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    • The Web Adventurer wrote:

      Actually, I remembered the fact that Doraemon taking time to dig for his gadgets only occurs in the anime/cartoons, and the times this happens is when he panics or doesn't specifically know what item he's looking for. In the manga, however, Doraemon can just simply take out the item that he wants to take out immediately. This is even proven further when Nobita in the manga got ahold of Doraemon's spare pocket.

      Given this is probably a composite of the blue cat then yeah this would apply.

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    • Threemagi wrote:
      So this thread is main culprit why Doraemon page has lot of views then.

      Sans FRA. No prep Doraemon is dead Doraemon.

      Not yet, apparently the verse is getting downgraded.

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    • Anomalous N I W D E wrote:

      Not yet, apparently the verse is getting downgraded.

      Which verse got downgraded?

      And if Dora can really pull anything with pinpoint precision, I imagine he'd pull Time Stop watch then use Earth destruction bomb to destroy whole Milky Way galaxy while Doraemon himself flee to Mirror World or to Andromeda Nebula.

      https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%89%E3%83%A9%E3%81%88%E3%82%82%E3%82%93%E3%81%AE%E3%81%B2%E3%81%BF%E3%81%A4%E9%81%93%E5%85%B7_(%E3%81%A1)#%E5%9C%B0%E7%90%83%E3%81%AF%E3%81%8B%E3%81%84%E3%81%B0%E3%81%8F%E3%81%A0%E3%82%93 :

      ネズミを見てパニックになったドラえもんが取り出した道具。実際に使われることはなかったが、この道具を出した際にドラえもんが「天の川銀河を吹き飛ばす」ことができると読み取れる言葉を口にしている。公式サイト[4]では「銀河全てを破壊するほどの威力を持つ爆弾」と解説されている。

      A tool taken out by Doraemon who became panic after seeing the rat. It was never actually used, but he said the words that Doraemon could "blow the Milky Way Galaxy" when this tool was put out. The official site [4] describes it as "a bomb with enough power to destroy everything in the galaxy."

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    • Undertale is getting downgraded, waiting for results is the main reason i stopped bumping my thread of Sans vs Kowalski.

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    • Anomalous N I W D E wrote:

      The Web Adventurer wrote:

      Actually, I remembered the fact that Doraemon taking time to dig for his gadgets only occurs in the anime/cartoons, and the times this happens is when he panics or doesn't specifically know what item he's looking for. In the manga, however, Doraemon can just simply take out the item that he wants to take out immediately. This is even proven further when Nobita in the manga got ahold of Doraemon's spare pocket.

      Given this is probably a composite of the blue cat then yeah this would apply.

      Even if the anime weakness is included, Doraemon wouldn't exactly be taking time to dig out the gadget that he wants to get. And it usually takes a second or even less for him to do it(given they are bloodlusted, it's likely faster). But then we also have to remember both of them are bloodlusted. It's very likely that Sans would hit him first but it won't be a guaranteed kill. Once Doraemon succeeds taking out a gadget from his pocket Sans is doomed. Doraemon 6/10 due to Sans' speed.

      But then Ik it's composite alright, except I don't exactly agree with including Doraemon's weakness. The manga is the main canon and I don't exactly agree with it. When two feats from the same character are contradicting each other there are only two options to solve the problem:

      1. If both are canon, the stronger feat should only be considered. 2. If one is canon and the other isn't, the latter feat should be ignored if it either: does not make the character more powerful; or if it weakens them.

      And by this logic, his weakness from the anime should be ignored since the manga is the main canon. I know it doesn't matter much, but it just bothers me.

      I apologize for ranting. I'm not quite used to vs battles yet.

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