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  • Even though he is the leader of the Schutzstaffel who almost killed their current Captain Commander in a fight who is stronger than everyone of the current Gotei 13 after Genryusai Shigekuni Yamamoto's death?

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    • Both Shunsui and Lille are extremely hax and use that over AP. Also if we’re using the argument of Lille fighting Shunsui, Gerard fought Zaraki who Shunsui directly stated was the strongest captain in the recent light novel.

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    • Amlad22 wrote:
      Both Shunsui and Lille are extremely hax and use that over AP. Also if we’re using the argument of Lille fighting Shunsui, Gerard fought Zaraki who Shunsui directly stated was the strongest captain in the recent light novel.

      Strongest maybe in physical strength, but Kenpachi is a fodder in everywhere else. It would make not logical sense for a Captain Commander to be weaker than a member of Gotei 13, or else this is a equivalent of Aizen being weaker than his own Espada Army. 

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    • Um no, Shunsui says that Zaraki is the strongest soul Reaper as in, he cannot beat him. Not only is Zaraki physically the strongest, but we have Shunsui saying he cannot win against him. Youre saying the captain commander is the strongest, but the captain commander flat out says he cannot beat Zaraki and would never want to fight him.

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    • Amlad22 wrote:
      Um no, Shunsui says that Zaraki is the strongest soul Reaper as in, he cannot beat him. Not only is Zaraki physically the strongest, but we have Shunsui saying he cannot win against him. Youre saying the captain commander is the strongest, but the captain commander flat out says he cannot beat Zaraki and would never want to fight him.

      But featwise, Kenpachi was shown to be much weaker than Toshiro during his fight against Gerard let alone Shunsui who taking on against Lille and even managed to kill him in his first Vollständig form. So unless statements can be backed up by feats and proofs, it's considered a subjective interpretation which we don't use in this site or else Sentry would be High 1-B for stalementing Galactus in a fight all because Spiderman said so.

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    • @Amlad

      Don't bother. John is impossible to reason with and he has gone on record arguing things just because he dislikes them, You are gonna waste your time trying to argument with him so don't worry about it. 

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    • Yeah you don’t gotta tell me twice. I’m out.

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    • The Bleach tiers on this site are weird to me.

      Soul Society Byakuya is somehow in the same tier as the likes of Pernida, Askin, Lille, and Shunsui.

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    • Actually there was a six month time skip between the manga and the Novel and since Shunsui is either doing Captain work or being lazy its largely assumed he keeps the same strength with very little growth. While if im not mistaken Kenpachi is said to be able to control his Bankai more properly, which implies he's been training and taking Kenpachi's personality into consideration it is very likely that he has been training

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    • @Tetsu

      Bleach tiers require revisions. Since we dont have higher tier feats to scale post timeskip characters to, they just get added to the scapling chain.

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    • Yeah a whole bunch of characters need new keys and better scaling. Some Post-Timeskip Lieutenants are likely stronger than Soul Society Arc Captains based on their feats.

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    • Dangai Ichigo wrote:
      Actually there was a six month time skip between the manga and the Novel and since Shunsui is either doing Captain work or being lazy its largely assumed he keeps the same strength with very little growth. While if im not mistaken Kenpachi is said to be able to control his Bankai more properly, which implies he's been training and taking Kenpachi's personality into consideration it is very likely that he has been training

      But yeah, that's after six months. Quincy Arc Shunsui would completely shat on Quincy Arc Kenpachi, because not only Toshiro performed much better during his fight against Gerard than Kenpachi did, Shunsui on the other hand was taking on against the Leader of the Schutzstaffel, going as far as killing him in his first Vollstandig form.

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    • You sound like a dude who can't know the difference between hax and strength

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    • He'll just use whatever justification is best to disagree.

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    • Tetsucabrah wrote:
      The Bleach tiers on this site are weird to me.

      Soul Society Byakuya is somehow in the same tier as the likes of Pernida, Askin, Lille, and Shunsui.

      My point exactly, why is everyone like Mountain level lol? It's like it's some sort of a crime for a Bleach character to go above Mountain level. I don't even understand how the hell is Jin Kariya even Mountain level.

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    • JohnCenaNation wrote:
      Tetsucabrah wrote:
      The Bleach tiers on this site are weird to me.

      Soul Society Byakuya is somehow in the same tier as the likes of Pernida, Askin, Lille, and Shunsui.

      My point exactly, why is everyone like Mountain level lol? It's like it's some sort of a crime for a Bleach character to go above Mountain level. I don't even understand how the hell is Jin Kariya even Mountain level.

      Jin Kariya scales to both Ichigo and Byakuya in their anime counterparts, who are both stronger than Hitsugaya who has a Mountain Level feat in his Shikai, however even the Anime profiles are a bit outdated and might revised once the Manga/Light Novel revisions are over

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    • Dangai Ichigo wrote:

      Jin Kariya scales to both Ichigo and Byakuya in their anime counterparts, who are both stronger than Hitsugaya who has a Mountain Level feat in his Shikai, however even the Anime profiles are a bit outdated and might revised once the Manga/Light Novel revisions are over

      So why was Rukia afraid of Hollow Muramasa destroying Karakura Town when we have characters that can destroy mountains way back in Soul Society Arc?

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    • Why wouldn’t you be afraid of someone killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people???

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    • JohnCenaNation wrote:
      Dangai Ichigo wrote:

      Jin Kariya scales to both Ichigo and Byakuya in their anime counterparts, who are both stronger than Hitsugaya who has a Mountain Level feat in his Shikai, however even the Anime profiles are a bit outdated and might revised once the Manga/Light Novel revisions are over

      So why was Rukia afraid of Hollow Muramasa destroying Karakura Town when we have characters that can destroy mountains way back in Soul Society Arc?

      Geez that might be because she's afraid of how many people he's gonna kill ? Which might upset the balance of souls ? Besides depending on how you do it, destroying Karakura might give a very large result, like if Yamamoto didn't tank his own flames the damage caused by it would indeed reach quite high

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