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  • Well, I did say in the other thread that I wanted to see if Mio would fair a better chance against the Son of Sparda. So, here we are. The Spirit of Origin vs. The Son of Sparda.

    This is DMC5 Dante (Low 2-C Version)

    Speed?: Speed is equalized.

    Mindset: In-Character.

    Distance: They start out 38 meters apart.

    Dante vs Mio
    Dante:

    Mio: 7 (Ionliosite, Schnee One, The Casuality, Buttersamuri, Milly Rocking Bandit, Moritzva, and ZephyrosOmega)

    'Mio finds out that Nia is Dante's daughter (Inconclusive):

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    • Mio thinks

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    • Mio thinks?

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    • Yep

      She starts with law.

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    • Ouch

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    • What's her ap? If she also has an ap advantage this might be a stomp

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    • Thatsafloridathing wrote:
      What's her ap? If she also has an ap advantage this might be a stomp

      Physically, she is only baseline. 

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    • By being born.

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    • In that case, I vote Mio via thought-based law hax

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    • If she starts with something that Dante doesn't have any answer, this is a stomp

      Dante gets lawlolhaxed into oblivion

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    • Dante Demon Killah wrote:

      Dante gets lawlolhaxed into oblivion

      Ehh, pretty much this.

      Dante has quite the AP advantage but it goes out of the window as soon as the match starts.

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    • So there IS a Date a Live character who can beat Dante

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    • Schnee One wrote:
      So there IS a Date a Live character who can beat Dante

      Aren't those like super haxy characters or am I missing something?

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    • You're Missing Shido getting rekt by Dante

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    • Schnee One wrote:
      So there IS a Date a Live character who can beat Dante

      Dante and Mukuro stalemated each other. I think they could stalemate again. If we un-equalize speed, I think some of them can blitz him, with Mukuro, maaaybe Kurumi (Depends if Dante can resist being put into a coma or not. If he can't then she can win by incapacitate, if he can, then he eventually one-shots) blitz haxxing him.

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    • Oh yeah,

      Funny how somethings being haxxed AF doesn't help if you are yeeted ASAP.

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    • Nier Hitoshura wrote:

      If we un-equalize speed, I think all of them can blitz him, with Mukuro, maaaybe Kurumi (Depends if Dante can resist being put into a coma or not. If he can't then she can win by incapacitate, if he can, then he eventually one-shots) blitz haxxing him.

      Dante in DT could close the gap pretty fast and with his 3 forms of time manip then most of them doesn't seem to resist time stop (besides this girl).

      But that is just tought for food.

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    • The speed amp would make them equal in speed and that's it really.

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    • Well, that is true. However, this is Dante vs Mio with speed equal. Not Dante vs the other spirits without speed equal.

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    • Mio FRA

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    • Thought I made it clear but Mio FRA.

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    • Dante Demon Killah wrote:
      If she starts with something that Dante doesn't have any answer, this is a stomp

      Dante gets lawlolhaxed into oblivion

      This

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    • Dante still has many win-cons

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    • Thatsafloridathing wrote: Dante still has many win-cons

      By many, you mean "Everything"

      Mio is outclassed in literally every category

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    • uhh



      Ain't Dante MFTL now? I don't think they blitz him

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    • He wasn't at the time they said it. He was Rel

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    • ahh



      I mean I still think the Dante feat is inaccurate and shouldn't be on there but that's just me

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    • Schnee One wrote:

      Thatsafloridathing wrote: Dante still has many win-cons

      By many, you mean "Everything"

      Mio is outclassed in literally every category

      Lemme reiterate this point just to elaborate on this being descisive.

      Dante one shots with a tap.

      Dante massively outskills Mio due to his incredible expirience advantage, Mio isn't much without her law.

      Dante is ridiculously more versatile and due to the AP gap and her lack of meaningful resistances all of Dante's versatility will win if they landed first.

      Even if the above two were not true, Dante's regen is something Mik can't bypass without Law

      For reference, Dante comfortably beat Shido Itsuku, who is Mio but significantly better in almost everything.

      Mio leading with Law is the only reason she wins, otherwise, Dante stomps.

      If this is a stomp, Dante's fights need to be removed because most are way less one sided then this.

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    • Go to the Vitong Bazaar,

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    • Eh, I'll go inconclusive, considering that Dante's first movement is a straight shot that apparently is enough to kill her

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    • Unless he can do it with a thought that won't happen

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    • So, this girl is able to create a specific law to avoid anything Dante can do in the complete and absolute first attosecond of combat ?

      It's in character of her ? Can this work against much stronger opponents ?

      A fight where you is unable to win in every possible scenario is the definition of stomp

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    • Mio can either set a law Stopping Dante from moving or make it so he can't hurt him

      It's Hax, that's how it works.

      Dante is able to win with anything. They just aren't fast enough

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    • This is Dante vs Luke again, and it was a stomp

      Hax can be AP related depending on the hax or the verse, an ant creating a Law that makes people much stronger than it to be restricted (even in AP) to hurt said ant or to do anything else...that's the case for Mio ? She already haxed someone much stronger than her ?

      Also, Dante is very resistant to Reality Warping, and since now being resistant to Mind Manip makes you resistant to fear, empathic and other stuff (as I saw in other threads), I believe it's useful here

      And no, Dante is literally unable to win going by your reasons, he can't do anything

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    • It wasn't, I closed it because it went nowhere.

      I don't get that, its Law Manipulation, resisting through AP doesn't make sense.

      Except Dante can win, for everything I stated before, sanevwith literally all of Dante's wins...

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    • I don't get that, its Law Manipulation, resisting through AP doesn't make sense.

      I'm asking for in-verse rules for their Law Manip, take Dragon Ball for example, where being stronger than your opponent gives you some resistance to their hax. Dante is much stronger than her, so it's important to know if there is any limitation that could be related to ap, I don't know the verse so that's why I'm asking

      Mio affected beings that are much stronger than her with her Law Hax ?

      And Dante is resistant to Reality Warping

      Dante's wins were against opponents that were capable of defeating him even with all his hax, that's not the case here, since the moment the fight starts, Dante insta loses no matter what, apparently

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    • I need you bois for this thread

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    • Not one in verse nah.

      <Dante's wins were against opponents capable of defeating him even with all his Hax

      So....This match then?

      Seriously, 90% of Dante's wins are based of him blitzing his opponent before they can react

      Am I wrong?

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    • Ehh.

      Mio's Law hax is literally add new law on the world, it isn't something you can overcome by being stronger, being 2-B doesn't allow you to overpower the literal laws of the world, it's not related of power but resistance.

      Without feat of resisting to it, you cannot argue about the fact that "x" resist by being stronger. It's like said that type 2 Conceptual Manipulation of a 7-A doesn't work on Arceus because he is 2-B

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    • The Causality wrote: Ehh.

      Mio's Law hax is literally add new law on the world, it isn't something you can overcome by being stronger, being 2-B doesn't allow you to overpower the literal laws of the world, it's not related of power but resistance.

      Without feat of resisting to it, you cannot argue about the fact that "x" resist by being stronger. It's like said that type 2 Conceptual Manipulation of a 7-A doesn't work on Arceus because he is 2-B

      I'm asking for in-verse rules for their Law Manip, take Dragon Ball for example, where being stronger than your opponent gives you some resistance to their hax. Dante is much stronger than her, so it's important to know if there is any limitation that could be related to ap, I don't know the verse so that's why I'm asking

      Mio affected beings that are much stronger than her with her Law Hax ? And Dante is resistant to Reality Warping

      Depending on the verse, a type 2 Conceptual Manipulation of a 7-A may not work on Arceus because he is 2-B

      Thanks Schnee for answering my question

      About Dante's wins:

      Dante (DmC: Devil May Cry) Dante's Profile (Both were 7-B and speed was equalized)

      He didn't had Quick Heart

      Shinnok (Mortal Kombat) Shinnok's Profile (Both were 7-B and speed was equalized)

      He didn't had the Quick Heart

      Meliodas (Nanatsu no Taizai) Meliodas' Profile (Speed equalized, Anime Dante and Meliodas with Lostvayne and Wrath were used)

      He didn't had the Quick Heart

      Sparda (Devil May Cry) Sparda's Profile (Prime Sparda and DMC2 Dante were used and speed was equalized)

      Overall better abilities

      Son Goku (Dragon Ball Super) Goku's Profile (Speed is equalized. Win by incapacitation. Dante's Devil May Cry 5 key and Low 2-C tier and Son Goku's Post-second Ultra Instinct -Sign-/Broly Saga key and Low 2-C tier as a Super Saiyan Blue are used for the match. They're 10 meters away)

      Goku was faster than Dante thanks to Kaioken X20, he only won thanks to his AP advantage and Strong defense + Goku getting tired by the Kaioken

      Bill Cipher (Gravity Falls) Bill's Profile (Bill and Dante are at Low 2-C. DMC5 Dante is used. Speed is equalized)

      Dunno about this one

      Ren Amamiya (Persona 5) Ren's Profile (DMC 5 Dante and End-Game Joker were used. Dante had access to all of his equipment in DMC 5 and his Sin Devil Trigger while Joker had access to Satanael. Speed was equalized)

      Faster than the opponent

      Shido Itsuka (Date A Live) Shido's Profile (DMC 2 Dante and Volume 19 - Volume 20 Shido were used, and speed was equalized)

      Faster then the opponent

      Alien X (Ben 10) Alien X's Profile (DMC 2 Dante was used, and speed was equalized)

      Raw AP

      Geras (Mortal Kombat) Geras's Profile (Speed equalized, DMC1 Dante without Sparda Devil Trigger was used)

      He didn't had the Quick Heart

      Sora (Kingdom Hearts) Sora's Profile (DMC 5 Dante and Kingdom Hearts III Sora were used, and speed was equalized)

      Dunno about this one

      Mickey Mouse (Disney) Mickey's Profile (DMC 1 Dante was used, and speed was equalized)

      Overall better abilities, one of them being speed

      Anne Mayer (Knight Run) Anne's Profile (Anime Dante and WoP Anne were used and speed was equalized)

      He didn't had the Quick Heart

      So, as you can see, in most of his wins, he didn't only had the Quick Heart, but a whole set of Abilities and Resistances that gave him the win in the most of the scenarios for the fight, but in all of those fights, both sides could win by actually using their abilities, by having an actual fight

      Here we have Dante being thrown in a guaranteed defeat scenario without any form of defense or even a fight, so I'll not vote here

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    • Goku doesn't go Kaioken X20 at the start of the match especially not in a form where it won't last, plus, how is Goku beating Mid Regen?

      Besides, you even named a few there

      Even without speed, many of his fights involve his regen, which many more can't bypass

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    • @Dante in the majority of the verse in the site but Dragon ball, being physically stronger don't allow you to overcome hax, in DAL the only way to win against Mio is resisting to Lawhax, Tohka was able to fight her due to being resistant

      And no, a Type 2 Concept hax will always work on Arceus, being stronger mean nothing against hax like Concept or take part of the shape of the world, It's like saying that Dante resist Causality Manipulation from Kumagawa just because he is stronger.

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    • Schnee One wrote: Goku doesn't go Kaioken X20 at the start of the match especially not in a form where it won't last, plus, how is Goku beating Mid Regen?

      Besides, you even named a few there

      Even without speed, many of his fights involve his regen, which many more can't bypass

      And Dante doesn't go DT at the start, is very in character for him to use, which would make Goku use Kaioken to avoid a speed disadvantage, however he can't keep this for a very long time

      Dante's Mid regen is brain damage only, but not Decapitation, he never survived something like this, Goku can cause great damage to some opponents that are stronger than him like Cell (destroyed his upper body), and specially in that fight with Kaioken X20, however Dante's Base Royalguard can block attacks even from opponents that can one shot him in DT, that's why his Strong defense was important in that fight

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    • @Dante in the majority of the verse in the site but Dragon ball, being physically stronger don't allow you to overcome hax, in DAL the only way to win against Mio is resisting to Lawhax, Tohka was able to fight her due to being resistant

      That's literally what I was asking, for in-verse rules for her Law Hax, I don't know DAL so I had to ask

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    • Why have you been saying Dante goes DT so soon then?

      Goku never decapitates people anyway

      But this is derailing.

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    • DT is his main answer against opponents comparable to him and is very in character for him to use, but he doesn't insta-start with DT unless the opponent is much stronger than his base power (Urizen, for example)

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    • I see.

      Well I guess Mio take this FRA but on a side not, we really need a thread about stomp matches and thought based/amp stuff

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    • Causality you are four threads late.

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    • As always

      You can Call me Dodo, it fit better I guess

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    • Mi-Owns FRA....... I feel no shame

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    • Buttersamuri wrote:
      Mi-Owns FRA....... I feel no shame

      Let's not swirl down this root, please. :)

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    • I really wanted Dante to win but him getting law haxed as soon as the match begins without being able to do anything about it tells me that he will lose :'v

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    • This... seems very mismatchy. Literally the only possible conclusions are:

      1: Mio Thinks

      2: Dante taps

      There’s almost nothing that can actually be discussed here that would affect the result of the match. It comes down entirely to which would necessarily happen first, in which case that character would stomp because the other character has a 0% of being able to utilise their wincons.

      I suppose it’s debatable, but again, I think this is a mismatch. This is what happens often when you have “One-Shot AP vs Absurdly Powerful Hax”. There’s very little room for any kind of proper discussion or non-stompish conclusion.

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    • I was gonna say incon, since it’s down to what Grath said. But considering that starting distance, Mio is definitely gonna think faster than Dante and attack, even if it’s ranged. So, Mio FRA.

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    • The standard starting distance is significantly worse for Dante than this.

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    • if you chose Dante form SMT. is will be fair for Dante. I think so? Sorry for my language.

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    • SMT Dante will stomp tho

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    • X-xenon2332 wrote: if you chose Dante form SMT. is will be fair for Dante. I think so? Sorry for my language.

      Dante's SMT incarnation outright unholy god stomps Mio and all of Date A Live though. That is literally a huge spite match, not as big of a spite match as Featherine Augustus Aurora vs Hogwarts on CV though.

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    • Nier Hitoshura wrote:

      X-xenon2332 wrote: if you chose Dante form SMT. is will be fair for Dante. I think so? Sorry for my language.

      Dante's SMT incarnation outright unholy god stomps Mio and all of Date A Live though. That is literally a huge spite match, not as big of a spite match as Featherine Augustus Aurora vs Hogwarts on CV though.

      Oh! my apologies. i forget that he was high multiverse level. that so big trouble for mio. and he resistance all hax.

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    • Mio FRA.

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    • Mio FRA. can't beleive I never voted.

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    • Now the grace period starts.

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    • Grace has ended, I'll add it to their profiles. Someone close this, please.

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