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  • Base Kat vs Ruby Rose (Vol. 4-5)

    Speed Equalized

    Who wins and why?

    Kat: 3 (DontTalkDT, KnightofSunlight, SupersonicWarriorZ)

    Ruby: 0

    Incon: 0

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    • Ruby's P&A section isn't properly split into keys. Is this the version where she has proper flight or does she only have pseudo-flight?

      If she has just pseudo-flight, how good is that? Since Kat can fly and force opponents into the air it is difficult to beat her without good aerial options.

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    • She has proper flight

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    • Schnee One wrote:
      She has proper flight

      Oh, ok. That makes this more interesting. They should be pretty equal from what I see.

      Let's see. The Silver Eyes will be no issue here, I guess.



      In Mid-Range I think Kats Stasis Field throwing and Gravity Typhoon techniques have an advantage over Ruby's shooting. She can launch multiple projectiles at once or in quick succession this way.

      Due to the large recoil of Crescent Rose, I imagine that doing such rapid fire shooting is more difficult for Ruby. At least when she has to dodge at the same time.

      This is enhanced due to the fact that I don't think Ruby has the leisure to employ the rifle mode for mid-range shooting or to embed the blade into the ground. That is due to the fact that Kat can teleport with wormholes, meaning that she could at any point appear right behind Ruby. If she doesn't have her melee weapon ready to defend and counter-attack then, she will take hits. Due to her Aura she initially has to option to tank those, but that wouldn't give her an advantage, as Kat can just go back to mid range at any time.


      In long range, like at a hundred meters +, I could see Ruby having an advantage as Kat doesn't often fight at that range, but I can't see how Ruby would maintain that distance with Kat's teleportation. In fact, hitting Kat over that range would be very hard.



      Now, in close combat I think Ruby's scythe mastery is greater than Kat's hand to hand combat capabilities. If it's a fight of Gravity Kicks & Spiral Claws against Ruby's Scythe and gun combination Ruby would get out on top.

      However, the Lunar Style in particular can make it difficult for Ruby. Quick chains of teleportation which are immediately followed by kicks is hard to keep up with and the Vortex Field can stun her and reflect her attacks.

      The most lethal attack Kat has in close combat would be her Black Hole attacks of course. I don't think it is healthy for Ruby to get caught in these, so she must at any time be ready to disengage, which prevents her from fully investing into close combat. Without knowledge the black hole can also take her offguard.

      Ruby's semblance can of course be used to further incerase her close combat ability. With teleports and the increased speed offered by the lunar style Kat should not be outclassed, though.

      Another thing we shouldn't forget is that in close combat Ruby is in range for Kat's statsis field, meaning that Kat can at any moment push Ruby in any direction she desires.



      In total I give this to Kat. I think she has the control over the battle distance here and can use that and her other abilities to stop Ruby fro making effective use of her strengths.

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    • >Due to the large recoil of Crescent Rose, I imagine that doing such rapid fire shooting is more difficult for Ruby.

      Rapid fire shooting is no issue at all for Ruby, she regularly shoots rapid fire in combat in the show

      >At least when she has to dodge at the same time.

      Ruby is entirely capable of dodging and shooting simultaneously, hell she can dodge BY shooting

      >This is enhanced due to the fact that I don't think Ruby has the leisure to employ the rifle mode for mid-range shooting or to embed the blade into the ground.

      She doesne need to anchor her rifle to the ground in order to shoot, she has only ever one that one time over the course of the entire show

      >I don't think it is healthy for Ruby to get caught in these, so she must at any time be ready to disengage, which prevents her from fully investing into close combat.

      Ruby spams her semblance in combat in this key so she'd be entirely capable of instant disengages if need be

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    • Ruby can't actually do rapid fire with Crescent Rose, as it's a Bolt Action

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    • Yes but she can fire continuously without the recoil knocking her on her ass

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    • I'm pretty sure DT was referring to actually fully automatic fire, like an Assault Rifle

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    • Ah okay, yeah its not full auto but Ruby can get a firing rate of up to five rounds a second

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      Ah okay, yeah its not full auto but Ruby can get a firing rate of up to five rounds a second

      For a hypersonic character 5 rounds per second are technically extremely slow... Well, it's somewhat faster than I imagined, but I still think that in speed equal she is at a disadvantage against an opponent that can fire many projectiles at once.

      WeeklyBattles wrote: Ruby spams her semblance in combat in this key so she'd be entirely capable of instant disengages if need be

      Disengage against a black hole isn't that easy, though. Black Holes have the tendency to pull things towards them. So if Ruby is in the middle of a full force jump towards Kat, boosted with her recoil and everything, turning 180° and getting away in time will still be hard. They are called micro black holes, but the event horizon from the biggest ones are like a dozen meters.

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    • I mean Ruby's projectiles themselves have decent AoE

      Her semblance allows her to stop and turn on a dime at a moment's notice even when she's boosting

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    • There's no way RWBY's semblance is enough to escape the pull from a Black Hole's event horizon. Even if she's outside of that EH, she likely can't escape because of how absurd the strength of the pull is.

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    • Is it a true black hole? Because if not it would be immensely easier to escape.

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    • It's a micro-black hole from looking at her profile, but all that does is change the event horizon range to a more manageable area. If she's too close, she's getting pulled in and atomized.

      I don't know how large her black hole's actual size and EH are, though, but she only needs to be a fair distance away from the EH and it's already over.

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    • A micro black hole would be 5-B so...

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    • >Only 5-B

      Against a High 8-C character.

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    • Exactly, so either its not a true black hole in which case the gravity is far less powerful and in turn escapable by Ruby, or Gravity Rush is due for an upgrade

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    • I'm gonna say that Ruby cannot escape, because it's a huge assumption to say that she has enough speed to escape from something with such a gravitational pull.

      Even if it's a false Black Hole (which it likely is) she's still not gonna escape the gravity. That would require relativistic speeds.

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    • If its not a true black hole then its an even bigger assumption to say that you'd need to be FTL to escape it, especially when the verse Kat comes from caps at Supersonic+

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    • It's a pseudo black hole, as the pseudo black hole creation on Kats page indicates.

      That being said the gravity is still way above everything else Kat produces.

      In fact at her absolute peak Kat can create a black hole (that might be real...) which is so hard to escape that she herself needed at least a year to do so and could permanently seal a force that was slowly destroying the entire world. Given that's pretty much a suicide move, but the point is her black hole gravity is extreme compared to her usual strength.

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    • I didn't say FTL, I said relativistic. And has anyone from the Verse escaped those Psuedo black holes?

      I'm gonna go with DontTalk here and say that Ruby gets black hole'd.

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    • @DT Ruby's strength is immensely, immensely above that of Kat's

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    • Probably not above her pseudo balck hole's though...

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      @DT Ruby's strength is immensely, immensely above that of Kat's

      Is it? Her AP description sounds like unquantified above baseline. How many tons of TNT are we talking?

      And as said, black hole that seals something that would otherwise slowly destroy the world. That's likewise quite a bit above Kat's normal power.

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    • Then shouldnt that be listed on her profile?

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    • Something having the gravitational pull of a Black Hole does not mean it has the destructive Capacity of a Black Hole

      Black Holes generated by The Beast can break down matter on a Macro Quantic level and its Gravitational Pull is used as a Supporting feat for the verse's speed.

      A Pseudo Black Hole is more then capable of producing an overwhelmingly strong pull to it. Especially since Ruby herself can only fly using her semblance and she leaves herself open to flying away.

      I'm also going to point out again. Semblance requires your aura to be active if her Aura is down she cannot fly, if it isn't she strains her aura by using it to escape even if we assume she can.

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    • Semblances do not reqiure aura, we have been over this so many times its honestly shocking that people still use the contrary as an argument

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    • The WoR literally outright states Semblances are a product of Aura

      Yang runs out of Aura after using her Semblance on Adam

      Tock runs out of Aura when she uses her semblance

      Ren states he doesn't have enough Aura to hide everyone's presence on the train, so Jaune Amplfying his Aura made his Semblance stronger and last longer.

      Emerald loses a portion of her aura when she uses her semblance in Coco in Volume 3.

      Want more?

      And yes I'm well aware there are moments where characters use their semblance despite their aura being down even though the show shows and states otherwise, but those are very clearly inconsistencies in a show that's been criticized since it's inception for being inconsistent.

      And don't even get me started on the dozens of series moments where characters don't use their semblance in ideal situations after their aura is down.

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    • CIS =/= Them needing aura to use their semblance

      Show me the exact moment where it says that aura is necessary for semblanes because ive watched that WoR dozens of times at this point and know for a fact it says nothing of the sort

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    • Kat fra

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    • Feats > WoG

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    • WeeklyBattles wrote:
      Feats > WoG

      debunked so please stfu

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    • Character induced stupidity has literally nothing to do with how Aura works, just how a character acts in a fight

      But of course https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nQS1_3QWt1Q&list=PLXlE2gaYWwVB_7KpEWLg3Cob1r0sQGzBq&index=5&t=0s 1:22

      "A warrior can also rely on their aura in a different manner, Semblance"

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    • @Schnee In what way does that imply that semblances need aura in order to be used?

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    • I mean.

      "Rely on Aura" means to Rely on it, is that wrong?

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    • I mean the writer's basically said they sucked at explaining semblances in the past

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    • Yeah, Kat fra

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    • Kat FRA

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    • Voting Kat for reasons above

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    • Kat wins this via the reasons above.

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    • Bump.

      This fight is still fair.

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