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  • Xue Ying vs. Castiel

    • Speed equalized
    • Both 3-B
    • All other SBA

    Who wins and why?

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    • Wait Xue Ying got an upgrade. Last I checked he was 4C

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    • Then Xue Ying wins

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    • spear boy via law,concept,regen negation and c astiel being unable to kill him.Plus superior ap

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    • Yes. Most of Castiel's abilities are totally useless against a being in same level. Xue Ying uses Mirage technique from which he becomes one with his Universe. Castiel has no answer to it. Along with Multiple bodies, death manipulation, Immortality soul manipulation, it is game over for castiel.

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    • What? His abilities are in fact not useless against beings of the same level. Especially considering he’s got thought based power null that works on 3-Bs as well.

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    • No. Castiel cannot combust beings on his level. He can use his abilitie but I mean Inst Kill abilities doesn't work on people of comparable strength in Supernatural. Also, Castiel is in borrowed time

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    • Yeah it does what are you talking about? He killed Raphael (Supernatural) with a finger snap who is also a 3-B, but he also completely power nulled him from teleporting away.

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    • Besides that borrowed time is days worth so he’s got all the time in the world to win or lose a fight without that being an issue.

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    • 3-b is a huge tier though, two characters can be it with one being way stronger than the other.

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    • Raphael is way below his level though. Raphael is scaled to Michael and Lucifer but lets be honest Raphael is not in their league.

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    • Raphael is slightly under them but that doesn’t change much, he is still they’re brother an Archangel which by simple virtue of being one means he’s in their league. God Castiel would still one shot both Michael and Lucifer regardless through power null and hax. Can’t find the thread but the one where they are categorizing highest AP per tier Castiel has the top spot for 3-B at the moment.

      Besides looking at the scaling chain:

      Gabriel (Supernatural) < Raphael (Supernatural) < Lucifer (Supernatural) < Michael (Supernatural) < Castiel

      He’s no pushover at all.

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    • no mephisto from saint seiya has the 3B spot in the highest ap thread [[1]]

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    • Xue Ying is At least 3-B via Size alone, that's without attacking or using other skills. I think he's pretty high in it using skills/hax and even if you restrict his Mirage World and Black Gourd from which his Low 2-C comes, he still has Scarlet Red Wristband (sealing) and Flying Knife (focused attack) (both items being Low-2 C).

      Even with the equalized speed, this will still be blitz for Xue Ying as he can passively suppress 50% of the enemy power via Inner World being released/Gravity Manipulation. Can also use the Star Pagoda to suppress again by 50%. Can boost his power/speed via Luminous Sun Art and with Extreme Piercing his attacks will be immeasurable. 

      Can Castiel resist mind/soul hax that can affect trillions and trillions of humans + innumerable cultivators (this one is done in a range of only 50 billion kilometers while his true range is 5 trillion kilometers at the end of this key).

      Also, his Soul hax has passive sleep/dream if it fails controling/destroying the soul.

      His Karma Manipulation is strong enough that it  made someone to commit suicide by affecting his Avatar while his true body was in another Cosmos. His range with Karma is Universal.

      He has can create 9 World Avatars infinitely that have 100% of his power. Castiel will have to fight 9 World Avatars + 1 Xue Ying.

      Every minute particle of his body is a Chaotic World itself that contains 7 Black Holes within it.

      His spear the Blood Serpent Spear has eternity-level Dao of Slaughter within it meaning every strike of it will be poisoned that affect both the body and soul. Just a reminder Dao level skills in the novel are at least 4-D hax. So, yeah.

      Has Mid-Godly regen.

      Has multiple existence thanks to his Avatar technique which split his soul in two creating another Xue Ying that is 100% comparable to him. Even if you kill one in any way, the other can again split his soul to recreate another him thanks to his True Meaning of the World which will passively nourish and repair/mend his soul. They can think simultaneously with both bodies without having problems and can perform different tasks. His true body stays in the Xia Clan World (in Material World) within the hidden space of the Realm Heart while his Avatar goes in the Deity World and the Dark Abyss. His third True Avatar exists in another Cosmos.

      I can only see a stomp for Xue Ying.

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    • current vote count

      spear boy:3

      angel:

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    • Setsuna tenma wrote: no mephisto from saint seiya has the 3B spot in the highest ap thread [[1]]

      Not the same thread I was talking about. The one I was talking about had 5 slots per tier

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    • @Zaratthustra

      Only 3-B attacks allowed btw.

      Thought based power null makes all of those attacks inapplicable. Castiel doesn’t have a soul so soul attacks of any kind don’t do jack. Mind hax he only resists millions however thought based power null stops it. Angels don’t sleep whatsoever and Castiel has transcended being an Angel so sleep doesn’t work. Karma Manipulation is Fate Manipulation which Castiel resists as a Seraph Angel which again was when he was MUCH weaker than God Cas.

      Spear hurts the soul however Cas doesn’t have soul, not to mention Castiel’s true form kills anyone by just seeing him.

      Mid Godly, ok Cas can’t kill him (what’s it based on?).

      So are all of Xue’s attacks with weapons or punches or things of that nature? Because Castiel just snaps and Xue becomes quantic particles then can BFR Xue to another dimension that Cas can just create.

      Not voting Cas but more leaning inconclusive since again Castiel thinks and Xue is powerless.

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    • Xue Ying has to matter manipulation beyond sub-atomic particles - it won't work on him. Reforming and shaping his body already starts from his second key. Every minute particle of his body is him, he will just reform from one if needed.

      They are not his attacks particularly but they are weapons (you'll have to restrict them otherwise) - it's like Dovahkiin has artifacts out of his tier in the lower one.

      Thought base power null will not work on something that gets him faster if Castiel is first then maybe yes. But both have power null. Only millions resistance is to mind is casual for this verse, unfortunately, this may be a wincon.

      Deities don't sleep too in this verse but it still works on them because it forces them.

      Spear attack both the body and the soul with a poison that can insta cultivators even if they are in the same tier if they don't resist. Reminder again 4D Hax.

      Mid-Godly is based on the fact that he reformed both his body and soul.

      Castiel will have to fight Ten Xue Ying at the same time (9 World Avatars and 1 True Avatar) which have the same power.

      His spear attack is not stopped by space, time, space-time, matter, energy, etc. It will pierce through them.

      Existence Erasure through Extreme Piercing, Destruction Energy, Termination Energy - has a good variety.

      Apocalyptic Fire that burns to nothingness.

      Willpower manipulation that let him paralyze, seal, directly attack erase him.

      Conceptual Manipulation through his Dao of Slaughter and Ripple.

      Void Manipulation.

      Sealing via Item, Willpower, Luminous Sun Art, Space-Time law.

      Law Manipulation.

      Immortality type 8/9.

      BFR doesn't work on him and even if it works he will just come back. He too can BFR  targets in a sealed world

      He can turn intangible, illusory, become one with the void or mirage to dodge/evade or just let attacks miss him.

      His Karmic manipulation is strong enough that it affected someone who was in another Cosmos.

      Acausality type 3.

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    • Being beyond sub-Atomic particles is exactly what quantic particles are.

      Attacks of any kind that are above 3-B are automatically restricted when using the 3-B versions unless it’s hax which those weapons aren’t as they have an actual AP value.

      Speed is Equalized so they start at the same speed, which means unless Xue can activate something prior to Castiel thinking there’s no chance.

      Agreed on Mid-Godly that Castiel cannot kill Xue with that but I’m still thinking of something there.

      Everything else is a bunch of cool attacks that should get power nulled first as in character it’s the first thing Castiel does in this form and again thought based, unless Xue can get around that power null prior to Cas thinking there’s a problem.

      “He can turn intangible, illusory, become one with the void or mirage to dodge/evade or just let attacks miss him.” All Angels are non-corporeal and Castiel kills them by snapping as well. Not saying he’ll kill Xue this way but Xue is not gonna be dodging any attacks this way.

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    • His turning illusory is already beyond the laws of the Cosmos making impossible to kill one of his True Avatar if you're not able to reach his hax-level meaning 4D at least.  Useless Castiel can reach above the laws of the Cosmos he can't even interact with him but Xue Ying can.

      The Flying Knife using the Dao of Mirage.

      Speed Equalized is useless against someone who has Immeasurable attacks and can become Omnipresent in his territory.

      Those weapons are Ruler weapons but they are so strong because of their hax which contains a Dao of Space-Time for Wristband, Dao of Slaughter for Spear.

      The sealing of the Scarlet Red Wristband it's a space-time one that is above the space-time of the Cosmos. Castiel can't to nothing to this one if he can't affect 4D or above.

      Like I said he has passive power null through his Inner World and his Willpower manipulation is thought which can seal/exterminate/paralyze and null powers.

      Not a bunch of cool attack as they are Laws/Concepts used to attack.

      Extermination Energy comes from beyond the Cosmos it's coming from the Primal Chaos Void - currently, know as the strongest type of energy.

      His body alone is a tenth of the Cosmos while every minute particle of his body is a Chaotic World itself that contains 7 Black Holes within it.

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    • So?

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    • So Xue Ying wins?

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    • Currently 3-1, I think.

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    • I never voted Castiel

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    • But this is the thread that put Castiel at the top of 3-B in terms of AP:

      https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:3169391

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    • I don't know the reason any of them are in their current position in 3-B and Castiel is there for his hax or something like that. You can be first in a tier thanks to hax but your ap be the lowest from there.

      Maybe they had fights and he was the best one, idk.

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    • Put this thread in here - https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:2891807#353

      Also put how many votes are needed if you want

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    • The OP already did that.

      PS. Didn't know such a thread exist.

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    • I still don't get how Castiel has the strongest AP in 3B. This was the guy who was scared that Michael and Lucifer would get free. And to those who say Lucifer never kill an Archangel with a snap then you should consider context. In season 5 Lucifer to my knowledge never killed anyone with a snap of his finger. He was at the leak of his power and it was personal to him. He killed the Pagan gods, Demons and in alternate world Dean with his bare gands. With Sam as his vessel, he was nearly unbeatable the only reason he killed Castiel with a snap was he was very angry. Castiel had just botched up what Lucifer thought as the only moment he would be able reconcile with his elder brother. So, to say Lucifer could not have killed Raphael with a snap is problematic. He easily overpowered Gabriel, who is comparable to Rapahel, in a degrading and weakened vessel but he wanted Gabriel to know what Lucifer felt when he was betrayed. Lucifer begins to snap-kill after his powers are weakened considerably. So, to say Castiel is tge strongest could very well be false.

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    • Pretty sure they don't do it in terms of Attack Potency, but how strong you are in that Tier.

      Meaning if you can overpower the others in a fight, you can get placed in that Thread.

      I guess Xue Ying wins FRA

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    • @zack I meant to that guy who says that Castiel has the highest AP at 3B just because he snapped Raphael. He was not the strongest 3B at his own series let alone entire fiction.

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    • For the bumperor

      For the Bumperor

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    • Xue Ying 4- Castiel 0, right?

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    • Yes, as Nico said he didn't vote for either yet.

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    • Try putting the vote count in the Title

      Xue Ying vs Castiel (4-0-0) / Xue Ying vs Castiel (3 VOTES LEFT)

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    • Xue Ying for the aforementioned reasons

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    • Xue Ying

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    • XY FRA

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    • Grace begins

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    • It's still 6 votes since Immortalgodd didn't say FRA

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    • @Immortalgodd Say FRA

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    • Actually no, they gave plenty of reasons above

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    • Xue FRA

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    • Xue Ying FRA

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    • There you go @ZackMoon1234

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    • 7 vote for Xue Ying with XDragnoir.  Grace Period.

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    • Immortalgodd wrote: @zack I meant to that guy who says that Castiel has the highest AP at 3B just because he snapped Raphael. He was not the strongest 3B at his own series let alone entire fiction.

      No Castiel is definitely leagues above the Archangels at that point. The fact that he can just casually power null Raphael who is within the league of other Archangels is already proof of that. Honestly Metatron (Supernatural) is probably the most powerful 3-B in Supernatural but that’s beside the point.

      Lucifer not snapping another Archangel simply proves that he isn’t capable of it and that’s all.

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    • @Nico, Power Null is not an AP feat but a Hax one. It just a Strong Hax - Power Null and it will not have a tier.

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    • Then Lucifer not trying to snap demons and gods in the height of his power proves that he is incapable to do that too, doesn't it? I just gave that much explanation about why Lucifer didn't just snap Gabriel yet you're just stuck in your point.

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    • Zaratthustra wrote: @Nico, Power Null is not an AP feat but a Hax one. It just a Strong Hax - Power Null and it will not have a tier.

      The way power null works around here from what I’ve seen is that you can only power null up to a certain degree or else it becomes NLF. So if someone power nulls a fire blast that is 9-A it shouldn’t power null a fire blast that is tier 4.

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    • Hey Nico, can Lucifer actually by more powerful than Michael? I checked the scene again but Lucifer with an incompatible vessel was going to kill Michael in his true vessel with a touch before being blindsided and killed by the blade.

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    • Grace Period Ended almost 8 hours again.

      I will add the match to their profile (I can add to Xue Ying), I will see if I can add on Castiel profile.

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    • You can add as long as the Profile is not locked

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    • Added them to their profiles.

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    • A FANDOM user
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