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    Xerneas; Silver the Hedgehog

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    • Ooh!

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    • Does Silver get his wisps too?

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    • Yes

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    • So many Sonic and Pokémon matches lol

      Anyway I belive Xerneas leads with Geomancy correct?

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    • Ye

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    • Um...doesnt Xerneas kinda get hax stomped here? 

      Xerneas isnt exactly Mewtwo.

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    • Uber flashbacks intensify

      That would either make or break Xerneas.It leaves Xerneas open but if Xerneas gets it off Silver is kinda screwed

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    • Btw, I have to make a CRT for this first but Xerneas should gain memory manipulation via being able to restore Mews memories in SMD.

      Idk if it'll help here though.

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    • I’m pretty sure Silver haxes tbh

      Chaos Control and Wisps are to much for our Uber Deer

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    • I think I will remove wisps, they seem to be a bit much.

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    • Time Stop and TK would prove to be too difficult tbh

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    • I would love to have an uber deer.

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    • You know I feel like Silver gets quite slept on by alot of people. I think I need to give this boi more attention.

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    • Voting for Silver.

      Grab and toss with TK + induce vertigo + can confuse Xerneas’s senses would do the trick.

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    • MYHERO wrote:
      You know I feel like Silver gets quite slept on by alot of people. I think I need to give this boi more attention.

      You think?

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    • Okay tough guy. I’ll make a match for him.

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    • Also Silver should have this via better fighter and his TK is too damn strong. Plus he's got other abilities he can use like overwhelm Xerneas with his energy attacks, drain his via TK like what he did to Sonic at Radical Train, ESP (both the move and the status change), etc.

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    • The thing about Xerneas is that after Geomancy, it will one-shot. Xerneas's AP advantage is more notable than you'd think, being done while being killed in its sleep. Literally, its 700+ ZT feat comes from it dying in a dormant state. Couple that with the insane boost of Geomancy and Fairy Aura and Silver wouldn't last a single hit. Obviously, TK is a problem, but Xerneas has encountered TK users before over a course of millions of years. Couple that with healing of both wounds and status effects (via Heal Pulse and Aromatherapy) and it's going to last longer than one would think against Silver. Gravity counters TK to a T, given in-game it literally nullifies the effects of the move Telekinesis. I don't think Silver has ever canonically stopped time before (correct me if I'm wrong) so I'd go Xerneas here. Raw power and experience is too much of a boon here.

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    • Xerneas for Cal's reasons

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    • Actually, since Xerneas (as the non-combative tree of life) literally causes the planet to move around the sun for literally billions and billions of years on a constant daily basis, would Silvers TK even actually do anything to Xerneas?

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    • Xerneas may have the AP here and stat boosts, but Silver can also stat boost itself too via ESP. As far as healing goes, Aromatherapy is the only one that Xerneas can use on himself. Heal Pulse works if the pokemon is healing a partner as it states. Gravity can work to counter Silver's TK, but given it's LS plus its AP, it'll only stall a little. And if we're talking about One-Shot here, Silver can easily use a bomb powerup where its function is literally to destroy an enemy in one hit. Also Silver can easily just drain Xerneas energy or mess with its mind via his psychic control if need be. And Silver can stop time or time travel via chaos control. He was going to stop time with his battle with shadow, but opened a time portal since both Shadow and Silver did CC at once. Just putting this out here.

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    • VioletVoid100 wrote:
      Also Silver can easily just drain Xerneas energy or mess with its mind via his psychic control if need be. And Silver can stop time or time travel via chaos control. He was going to stop time with his battle with shadow, but opened a time portal since both Shadow and Silver did CC at once. Just putting this out here.

      Just going to say draining Xerneas's energy will be completely useless. For one, Bacon Bird was unable to drain Xerneas's energy away with its life sucking abilities. And even then, Xerneas has energy reserves that are so absurd that they are what keeps the planet revolving around the sun...constantly....for billions and billions of years.....without doing a thing. 

      And time travel should also be useless since Silver doesnt know where Xerneas originated from to paradox it out of history.

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    • Deer fra

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    • Silver should be able to induce vertigo along with his power of mind mainpulation to confuse his opponents. Silver also has Chaos Control and some of his other items, so most of Xerneas's hax should get countered. Silver could use ring time to for transmutation, he has invulnerability via the invincibility icon, some of his Sonic Jump abilities include paralysis inducement and perception mainpulation. He also has magnetism (limited yes, but still works) and his "Aura" so regardless of whether or not Xerneas could amplify his stats, Silver actually has an AP advantage along with his "Aura" where he has access to his "true power" that should be able to further boost Silver.

      Silver should take a win here. 

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    • Xerneas actually has resisted mind control before, as Emma hacked X’s Pokeball containing it but had a heck of a time controlling it. Also Heal Pulse can be used on oneself in the anime. Finally, Psych Up pretty much nullifies any chance of Silcer catching up in stat boosts as it makes the deer copy Silver’s own.

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    • Silver’s ESP can be used against Sonic and Shadow who both resist mindhax.

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    • So Silver>Sonic/Shadow>Devil Doom, Dark Gaia, and Ifrit?

      Anyway, another thing for Xerneas is with Geomancy and Light Screen, Silver’s main method of attack, long ranged attacks, will do next to nothing. Silver would have to get in close which is a death sentence.

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    • Xerneas will lead with Geomacy.The thing is Gemomacy will leave Xerneas open for attack as Xerneas needs time to preform the move.Silver in that time very well could take advantage with TK or Chaos Control.While Yes if Xerneas can tank Silver’s hits and pull of Geomacy Silver is kinda screwed.

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    • Xerneas fra

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    • Silver FRA

      Also Op, wisps are standard equipment for everyone except Team Eggman

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    • sliver fra

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    • @Spin

      But...

      Spinoirr wrote: Deer fra

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    • He changed his mind Cal, it's simple

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    • yeah, you can change votes

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    • So votes are:

      Silver: 11 (ShadowWarrior1999, VioletVoid100, Godhand1999, Theuser789, Spinoirr, Neon Battle Bind, Maverick Zero X, Oblivion Lightning, HenryWong122, Hiryu-Z, Blueblur24)

      Xerneas: 14 (The real cal howard, TheArsenal1212, Inverted Tempest, ProfessorKukui4Life, Starter Pack, SSBXeno573, Xerkser500, Niccokirby, MYHERO, Phoenix821, EmperorDoom25, RotofBots, Everything12, TriforcePower1)

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    • I agree Silver does get slept on, thanks to 06 being his debut game (still annoyed they dragged/retconned Blaze into that hot mess) he will always be linked to THAT meme and one of the most infamous videogames in history...

      I also don't like how sega took three different yet colourful characters that balance each other out (Sonic, Knuckles and Tails) and "tried" to replace two of them with hedgehogs in terms of importance (combined with the modern era retcon that stated only male hedgehogs can go super) which only further divided the fandom (either tho Silver consistently gets left behind by Sonic/Shadow in both popularity and plot).

      Sorry for the mini rant, as for the actual fight I'm currently neutral but I'm slightly leaning to life deer (since it can one-shot unlike the psychic type hedgehog).

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    • @Axiom The super form being for male hedgehogs only thing gets contradicted by Mania.

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    • Good.

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    • ShadowWarrior1999 wrote: @Axiom The super form being for male hedgehogs only thing gets contradicted by Mania.

      The game Sonic continuity/canon is just one big headache (it might have been weird and contrived at times but at least the Archie comics had way better storytelling than the games imo; it certainly treated certain characters better cough... Knuckles... cough).

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    • Sometimes you just have to really pay attention but they do have references to past games that get thrown in there.

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    • I forgot to vote now that I noticed.

      Going with the deer for FRA.

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    • I'm mainly convinced by the Xerneas arguments, although this is closer than I thought it would be.

      Rave Deer FRA.

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    • That's grace right?

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    • The votes are tied at 5 so no.

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    • Bump

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    • Xerneas Fra

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    • Going with Xerneas FRA

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    • Going with Xerneas FRA

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    • ok now i asume the deer wins

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    • No, It needs one more vote for grace.

      Anyways Silver is also unquantifiable above 614 zettatons as well via scaling to the other characters beating Chaos 4, so I don't think Xerneas can one-shoot

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    • No, 7 votes is when grace starts. Xerksers vote is the 7th for Xerneas.

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    • It needs to be a difference of three. Though since Spin switched over, it’s 4-8.

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    • But Silver has five, there's need to be a three vote diference

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    • Xerneas FRA

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    • The real cal howard wrote: It needs to be a difference of three. Though since Spin switched over, it’s 4-8.

      I don't think that was a vote, he just thought that it was grace for Xerneas, especialy based on his earlier comment asking that and when Xerneas got two votes( reaching seven) he assumes that he won, anyway now it's 5-8, now it's grace

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    • Silver FRA

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    • Grace is over, now it's 6-8

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    • Xerneas FRA

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    • Isn't grace 24 hours

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    • Yes but because someone voted for Silver, the grace stopped. But I restarted it again.

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    • Plz, we don't need grace limbo again.

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    • 😈

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    • I want to make a joke that Silver should win, because silver is a metal and Xerneas is weak to Steel-type attacks.

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    • Silver FRA

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    • Fuck you

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    • Rainbow Deer fra,

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    • Alright this is getting stupid.

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    • Sorry Silver FRA I didn’t vote yet

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    • If this keeps going the thread will end in inconclusive

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    • Not if the people who want Silver to win can come out and over take the people who want Xerneas to win. AND I'M ONE OF THEM! SILVER FRA!

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    • Starter Pack wrote:
      Plz, we don't need grace limbo again.

      I'mma gonna die now.

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    • Xerneas FRA

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    • Just oof... after seeing the following votes and comments I'm going to maintain my neutral stance and give this a fat inconclusive since the winner isn't clear cut.

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    • Xerneas FRA

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    • Grace starts

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    • Again

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    • Someone vote for Silver

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    • Xerneas FRA

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    • If I got this right, its 13 votes for Xerneas now to Silver having 9. 

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    • Deer FRA

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    • Can someone tell me why the Deer is getting wins? Gimme some arguments real quick.

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    • Silver FRA

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    • Godhand1999 wrote:
      Can someone tell me why the Deer is getting wins? Gimme some arguments real quick.

      Or just....read the thread?

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    • The real cal howard wrote:
      The thing about Xerneas is that after Geomancy, it will one-shot. Xerneas's AP advantage is more notable than you'd think, being done while being killed in its sleep. Literally, its 700+ ZT feat comes from it dying in a dormant state. Couple that with the insane boost of Geomancy and Fairy Aura and Silver wouldn't last a single hit. Obviously, TK is a problem, but Xerneas has encountered TK users before over a course of millions of years. Couple that with healing of both wounds and status effects (via Heal Pulse and Aromatherapy) and it's going to last longer than one would think against Silver. Gravity counters TK to a T, given in-game it literally nullifies the effects of the move Telekinesis. I don't think Silver has ever canonically stopped time before (correct me if I'm wrong) so I'd go Xerneas here. Raw power and experience is too much of a boon here.

      How? It can upgrade it's stats sure, but then it'll be about on par with Silver. Silver still can hurt him and if Xerneas uses an ability called "Close Combat" it'll lower it's defenses which'll make it more suspectible to Silver's attacks. Silver can use Chaos Control, so there's no reason to think that he can't stop time. He's about as skilled as Shadow is, they literally both activated Chaos Control at the same time in their battle which created a time portal into the past. Anybody who can use Chaos Control should have the ability to mainpulate space and time. 

      BTW About the stat increases. Silver has an "Aura" state where he can activate his true power (In his ESP State, it says Silver has grown stronger and discovered his "true" power). This should allow him to overcome whatever stat increase Xerneas throws at him. Silver also has loads of tricks where he can use perception mainpulation, vertigo, and mind mainpulation to mess up Xerneas. Silver itsn't some run on the mill telekentic he's been fighting Iblis an actual God back to back for awhile now. So, I'm not sure if Xerneas's gravity abilities will do much against Silver.

      Silver also has the color powers here. He literally has a one hit kill, transmutation, and another that can bypass durability. Silver should win this effectively. 

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    • How would it be on par after buffs? Xerneas starts off stronger than Silver. Xerneas knows the negatives to Close Combat so I doubt it'd use it if it didn't expect to win right there. Silver knows Chaos Control but he's never canonically used it to stop time (correct me if I'm wrong). The most he's done was open portals. Silver's ESP state would have its buffs copied by Psych Up while Silver's status conditions get Aromatherapy'd away. Not sure what fighting Iblis or Solaris would have to do with Silver's prowess especially given how Xerneas has fought the manifestation of death as its equal and opposite and llama god went out of its way to keep Xerneas from dying. Like Blaze, Ring Time is incredibly ooc for Silver and same with color powers, given he has much more useful abilities that he actively uses.

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    • The real cal howard wrote:
      How would it be on par after buffs? Xerneas starts off stronger than Silver. Xerneas knows the negatives to Close Combat so I doubt it'd use it if it didn't expect to win right there. Silver knows Chaos Control but he's never canonically used it to stop time (correct me if I'm wrong). The most he's done was open portals. Silver's ESP state would have its buffs copied by Psych Up while Silver's status conditions get Aromatherapy'd away. Not sure what fighting Iblis or Solaris would have to do with Silver's prowess especially given how Xerneas has fought the manifestation of death as its equal and opposite and llama god went out of its way to keep Xerneas from dying. Like Blaze, Ring Time is incredibly ooc for Silver and same with color powers, given he has much more useful abilities that he actively uses.

      Because Xerneas is "at least planet level" while Silver is a solid planet level character. The buffs are gonna boost Xerneas yes, but Silver has his ESP state which will further increase his power so the buffs are meaningless. Silver doesn't need to show himself stopping time, if he matched Shadow's Chaos Control with his own then Silver has the ability to control space/time like he could. Anybody who can use Chaos Control can stop, slow down, or mainpulate space/time as they see fit. 

      ​​​​​​You know for a guy who's supposedly has the AP advantage, why would Xerneas want Silver's stats to begin with? Wouldn't that be a bad thing making both equal footing with each other? Also, Xerneas can't copy his abilities so this point is moot lmao. Silver outhaxes. 

      It has a lot to do with the fact that Silver has fought powerful beings like Xerneas before, lol. So, his gravity abilities aren't going to be an easy counter towards Silver's teleknetic powers. 

      It doesn't matter. Whatever is in his arsenal, Silver will use. Silver is even MORE of a combat pragmist than Blaze is. Silver will do whatever it takes to ensure that he can win this match. Enough of this ooc stuff and just debate lmao.

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    • "Ring Time is incredibly ooc for Silver"

      Except he's a combat pragmatist. If he has an object he knows how to use and wants to use it in combat, he'll go for it to secure a win. That's what happened with his fight with Shadow when he used Chaos Control to turn the tide to his favor.

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    • Oh, geez. This is gonna be Rayquaza vs. Blaze again, arguing whether using Wisps are in-character.

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    • >Because Xerneas is "at least planet level" while Silver is a solid planet level character. The buffs are gonna boost Xerneas yes, but Silver has his ESP state which will further increase his power so the buffs are meaningless.

      As already stated before, Psych Up will let Xerneas copy the stat increases that Silvers ESP's would increase his stats by, so no the buffs are very relevant.

      > Silver doesn't need to show himself stopping time, if he matched Shadow's Chaos Control with his own then Silver has the ability to control space/time like he could.

      This....is not how this works at all. Having a power that can be used on the same level as someone elses doesnt mean you can use a specific hax ability to the same extent as them.

      >You know for a guy who's supposedly has the AP advantage, why would Xerneas want Silver's stats to begin with? Wouldn't that be a bad thing making both equal footing with each other?

      Because Xerneas will clearly not want to get overpowered or outmatched in stat buffs? This is common sense.

      >It has a lot to do with the fact that Silver has fought powerful beings like Xerneas before, lol. So, his gravity abilities aren't going to be an easy counter towards Silver's teleknetic powers.

      Xerneas's gravity control is great enough to the point where the energy it unleashes as a non-combative tree of life allows the planet to revolve around the sun. Constantly. For billions and billions of years. If Silvers telekinetic powers are not on this level, I seriously doubt Xerneas not being able to easily counter it.

      >It doesn't matter. Whatever is in his arsenal, Silver will use


      Not how this works at all, but okay.

      >Silver will do whatever it takes to ensure that he can win this match. Enough of this ooc stuff and just debate lmao.

      Except no, we arent going to drop it because thats debates work here. We go by in-character stips and if its out of character, its out of character.

      And your talking to someone who hates this standard just as much, or even moreso, than you.

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    • Deer fra

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    • That's how Chaos Control works, it's the ability to control time and space, Silver can use it then he can use all of the aspects of it, teleporting, stopping time, etc. are all Chaos Control, it isn't Chaos teleport or Chaos stop time, all those abilities come from manupulating time and space, that's where where it comes the abilities, all from manupulating time and space,if you can use that ability them you can do all of it, also Silver was going to manipulate time as well when he used it so he definaly can stop time, there's no específic ability of Chaos Control, manupulating time and space is Chaos Control, if Silver can use that ability them he can stop time, especialy since he used to counter Shadow's time stop

      Also psych up is slower than Chaos Control, that ability takes 4 seconds while Chaos Control takes 3 seconds.

      And Silver using those abilities is in character, he used them whenever he had acess to them

      Silver can also grap Sonic who is unafeccted by a Black Hole gravity, which is greater than the revolution of the Earth, so he can grap Xerneas

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    • >That's how Chaos Control works, it's the ability to control time and space, Silver can use it then he can use all of the aspects of it, teleporting, stopping time, etc. are all Chaos Control, it isn't Chaos teleport or Chaos stop time, all those abilities come from manupulating time and space, that's where where it comes the abilities, all from manupulating time and space,if you can use that ability them you can do all of it, also Silver was going to manipulate time as well when he used it so he definaly can stop time, there's no específic ability of Chaos Control, manupulating time and space is Chaos Control, if Silver can use that ability them he can stop time, especialy since he used to counter Shadow's time stop

      There's such a thing as a specific application of the ability in question, which time stop in this case would be. Chaos Control is not defined by solely one power, it's a set of loosely defined powers that are done via manipulating time and space. Silver having space-time control with Chaos Control doesnt mean he can use every single application of the ability automatically. Thats close to wank.

      That is like saying any ninja in Naruto can use any jutsu because all Ninja manipulate and use chakra.

      >Also psych up is slower than Chaos Control, that ability takes 4 seconds while Chaos Control takes 3 seconds.

      This is stated, like, absolutely no where and is way too made up for me to take seriously. Where did you get 4 seconds from in the first place?

      >And Silver using those abilities is in character, he used them whenever he had acess to them

      Not early on. This is the equivalant to saying nothing can be out of character just because someone was access to a move. Thats not how this works.

      >Silver can also grap Sonic who is unafeccted by a Black Hole gravity, which is greater than the revolution of the Earth, so he can grap Xerneas

      For one, how big was this black hole?

      Two, grabbing sonic physically doesnt mean Silver's telekinetic powers can do the same.

      Three, even if the Black Hole has greater gravity, your ignoring how unbelievebly casual Xerneas's is. Xerneas does that on a constant daily basis for billions and billions of years, likely more and it does this in a non-combative state as the Tree of Life. It's quite obvious Xerneas can do more than that when actually trying to.

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    • Silver fra

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    • But Chaos Control doesn't have a specificaly ability, all of it's affects are simply different aplications of it, it isn't wank when it's never stated in the series that you need to know every aplications of Chaos Control. Chaos Control is nothing like Chakra, at all, in that verse is noted that you need to learn each aplications unlike Chaos Control. Teleporting, stopping time, etc. are just diferent forms of using Chaos Control, If you know it you can use them all.

      This video the guy on it counts how many seconds It takes:https://youtu.be/fmiDOr-s7kk (12:00)

      Silver used the wisps early on in every fight that he had acess to them.

      The size of a Black Hole is irrelevant to it's gravity.

      Silver grabbed him with his telekenisis dude

      Even a casual feat is nowhere on the level of a gravity of a Black Hole, the gravity on it is at least thousands of times stronger than it

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    • >But Chaos Control doesn't have a specificaly ability, all of it's affects are simply different aplications of it

      Yes and just because you have the power doesnt mean you can use it in all of the same forms automatically. That is my point.

      >it isn't wank when it's never stated in the series that you need to know every aplications of Chaos Control. Chaos Control is nothing like Chakra, at all, in that verse is noted that you need to learn each aplications unlike Chaos Control. Teleporting, stopping time, etc. are just diferent forms of using Chaos Control, If you know it you can use them all.

      See above. Stopping time, teleportion and etc. are, again, different powers. Different applications of Chaos Control. Having Chaos Control doesnt mean you can automatically use all of those said applications wrapped up in one package. For all we know, Silver can only use one form or aspect of Chaos Control and not the rest. If Silvers only used Chaos Control for, say teleportation, then thats all he should get. He shouldnt automatically be handed the other forms of the power, much less automatically know how to use them.

      And even then, that definitely doesnt mean Silver will immediately go for using it right away.

      >This video the guy on it counts how many seconds It takes:https://youtu.be/fmiDOr-s7kk (12:00)

      Um...a guy on a rant video about a death battle match is not evidence, at all. I was asking for an in-canon or in-verse confirmation.

      >Silver used the wisps early on in every fight that he had acess to them.

      And again, that does not mean he will choose to immediately use it as his go to move.

      >The size of a Black Hole is irrelevant to it's gravity.

      Uh, its absolutely relevant as not all black holes have the same levels of gravity as each other. It very much so depends on their size.

      >Silver grabbed him with his telekenisis dude

      Still irrelevant if the black hole size is insignificant.

      >Even a casual feat is nowhere on the level of a gravity of a Black Hole, the gravity on it is at least thousands of times stronger than it

      See above.

      I'll be back later to counter more rebuttals.

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    • Chaos Control is manipulating time and space, it's one power, those are simply diferent uses of the same power, not diferent ones, every time that you teleport, stop time, etc. you are using the same ability, it's just it's usage is diferent. Silver uses Chaos Control in character

      The guy counted the amount of time that took for each move,here psych up takes 4 seconds to finish meanwhile Chaos Control takes two as show here

      He used them first every time that he had them like in this fight, that's exactaly what it means

      The Black Hole was swaling Eggman's amusement park, it's on Sonic's profile:"at created a black hole that destroyed Eggman's interstellar amusement park, which was larger than the Earth" Sonic was unafected by it's gravity 

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    • ShadowWarrior1999 wrote:
      So votes are:

      Silver: 11 (ShadowWarrior1999, VioletVoid100, Godhand1999, Theuser789, Spinoirr, Neon Battle Bind, Maverick Zero X, Oblivion Lightning, HenryWong122, Hiryu-Z, Blueblur24)

      Xerneas: 14 (The real cal howard, TheArsenal1212, Inverted Tempest, ProfessorKukui4Life, Starter Pack, SSBXeno573, Xerkser500, Niccokirby, MYHERO, Phoenix821, EmperorDoom25, RotofBots, Everything12, TriforcePower1)

      ??????????????

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    • im voting Fra Xernas.

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    • mmm

      Xerneas FRA

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    • So is it grace now?.

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    • ProfessorKukui4Life wrote:
      >Because Xerneas is "at least planet level" while Silver is a solid planet level character. The buffs are gonna boost Xerneas yes, but Silver has his ESP state which will further increase his power so the buffs are meaningless.As already stated before, Psych Up will let Xerneas copy the stat increases that Silvers ESP's would increase his stats by, so no the buffs are very relevant.

      > Silver doesn't need to show himself stopping time, if he matched Shadow's Chaos Control with his own then Silver has the ability to control space/time like he could.

      This....is not how this works at all. Having a power that can be used on the same level as someone elses doesnt mean you can use a specific hax ability to the same extent as them.

      >You know for a guy who's supposedly has the AP advantage, why would Xerneas want Silver's stats to begin with? Wouldn't that be a bad thing making both equal footing with each other?

      Because Xerneas will clearly not want to get overpowered or outmatched in stat buffs? This is common sense.

      >It has a lot to do with the fact that Silver has fought powerful beings like Xerneas before, lol. So, his gravity abilities aren't going to be an easy counter towards Silver's teleknetic powers.

      Xerneas's gravity control is great enough to the point where the energy it unleashes as a non-combative tree of life allows the planet to revolve around the sun. Constantly. For billions and billions of years. If Silvers telekinetic powers are not on this level, I seriously doubt Xerneas not being able to easily counter it.

      >It doesn't matter. Whatever is in his arsenal, Silver will use


      Not how this works at all, but okay.

      >Silver will do whatever it takes to ensure that he can win this match. Enough of this ooc stuff and just debate lmao.

      Except no, we arent going to drop it because thats debates work here. We go by in-character stips and if its out of character, its out of character.

      And your talking to someone who hates this standard just as much, or even moreso, than you.

        >As already stated before, Psych Up will let Xerneas copy the stat increases that Silvers ESP's would increase his stats by, so no the buffs are very relevant.

      How? They would literally be on the same exact footing. The buffs aren't even relevant as they aren't going to change the tide of battle.

      >This....is not how this works at all. Having a power that can be used on the same level as someone elses doesnt mean you can use a specific hax ability to the same extent as them.

      In the Sonic Series. Anybody who can use Chaos Control has access to stopping, slowing down, and warping space and time. Time manipulation is not only possible, but guaranteed in Silver's case.(It's even on his profile) The fact that Silver was able to match Shadow's Chaos Control ability only further showcases that they are equally skilled in the usage of space/time mainpulation.

      >Because Xerneas will clearly not want to get overpowered or outmatched in stat buffs? This is common sense.

      It's not going to make much of difference if he copies Silver's stats. They'll literally be on the same level. Both are planet level, what's Xerneas going to do? Copy his stat increase only to still be planet level at the end of the day? What's the point?

      >Xerneas's gravity control is great enough to the point where the energy it unleashes as a non-combative tree of life allows the planet to revolve around the sun. Constantly. For billions and billions of years. If Silvers telekinetic powers are not on this level, I seriously doubt Xerneas not being able to easily counter it.

      The problem with this is like you said, it can only release this type of energy when it's in it's non-combative state. How will this matter in combat? Unless it can release this kind of energy in it's regular form, this point is kind of moot. Show me evidence that Xerneas can use this kind of energy in combat and not in a state where he's incapable of fighting in.

      >Not how this works at all, but okay.

      I don't think you know anything about Silver's character. He literally does what it takes to win and he's not gonna be a sitting duck where he just picks and chooses what kind of ability he wants to use. He'll use whatever he can.

      >Except no, we arent going to drop it because thats debates work here. We go by in-character stips and if its out of character, its out of character.

      And your talking to someone who hates this standard just as much, or even moreso, than you.

      And like I said above, none of you know Silver's character. He's a combat pragmatist and he'll take advantage of whatever ability he can to overcome the opponent.

      For someone who says he hates this standard, you seem to be enjoying it.

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