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    "You will never touch this world again. In Mother's name, I swear it!"

    TheDovahkiin

    The Dovahkiin

    VS

    Alucard (Castlevania)

    Equalized speed

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    • Let's wait for CRT to be finish.

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    • CRT is over. Fight can go on.

      IIRC, Matt mentioned that Dovahkiin's resistances are hilariously OP to the point where you'd need High 1-Bs to null them.

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    • I think the dragonborn has this due to weapons like dawnbreaker and his high amount of spells and shouts

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    • KLOL506 wrote: CRT is over. Fight can go on.

      IIRC, Matt mentioned that Dovahkiin's resistances are hilariously OP to the point where you'd need High 1-Bs to null them.

      I’m pretty sure that is both not true, non cambat applicable outside of verse, and, if true, only applies to like three abilities none of which Alucard uses.

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    • Just going to say even without high 1-B resistances (which applies to nothing Alucard uses like fate or casuality manipulation (it does mess up time manipulation but Alucard doesn’t need that) I’m pretty sure the Dovahkiin still resist most of Alucards Powers as most of his powers are just resistances. However due to most his powers being resistances Alucard resist every the Dragonborn does and causally one shots through his hilariously massive ap advantage.

      (Going to work right now so I won’t be able to respond for like three hours this was honestly a pretty bad time to join the thread but too late now)

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    • Keeweed wrote: Snips

      The Dovahkiin has type 4 acausality which grant resistance to causality and fate manipulation. In addition, I also want to know where people got this idea of Dovahkiin having high 1-B resistance.

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    • I know he has resistance to fate and causality I probably worded it wrong when saying that’s something he does resist (not sure if it is on a high 1-B scale but he does resist it).

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    • KLOL506 wrote: CRT is over. Fight can go on.

      IIRC, Matt mentioned that Dovahkiin's resistances are hilariously OP to the point where you'd need High 1-Bs to null them.

      When and where did Matt said this?

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    • Waria Kambang wrote:

      KLOL506 wrote: CRT is over. Fight can go on.

      IIRC, Matt mentioned that Dovahkiin's resistances are hilariously OP to the point where you'd need High 1-Bs to null them.

      When and where did Matt said this?

      AFAIK, in one of the revision threads for TES. Could be wrong tho.

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    • KLOL506 wrote: Snips

      OK. Thanks.

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    • KLOL506 wrote:
      CRT is over. Fight can go on.

      IIRC, Matt mentioned that Dovahkiin's resistances are hilariously OP to the point where you'd need High 1-Bs to null them.

      Legendary Artifacts at the best level are Low 1-C if the hero finds their true potential like the Skeleton Key or Umbra. There are two of them can reach High 1-B, but they need Et'Adas directly channeling their power, which it is very unlikely given how they do not give a shit after the creation of Mundus.

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    • Does Dovahkiin have any special resistance to having the absolute shit beaten out of him?

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    • No but his large AP advantage ensures that this doesn't happen.

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    • TacticalNuke002 wrote: No but his large AP advantage ensures that this doesn't happen.

      Alucard probably has the ap advantage.

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    • Castlevania's are near baseline. And Dovahkiin is pretty absurdly high into it.

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    • I’ll go find it but in one of past threads we had people where saying Castlevania has a massive chain of scaling. Also 23x baseline isn’t absurdly above baseline since the top of low 2-C’s tier is literally infinite.

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    • Jills aren't baseline. Alduin oneshotted 22 or 23 of them casually. Miraak is stronger than Alduin and Dovahkiin is stronger than him. That doesn't sound just 23x baseline.

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    • This was from glass by the way so it was from an admin and not a random person.

      “Alucard >>>> both Richter and Maria (Symphony of the Night) >>>> Richter and Maria (Rondo of Blood) >>>>> Trevor, Sypha, and Grant >>>>> Dracula”

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    • It doesn't. At best you can extend it as Time Reaper (baseline) < Galamoth << Dracula <= Alucard/Belmonts. Since everyone is around the same level, almost none is above each other. Maaaaybe Richter and Alucard would be above that, since there was a statement somewhere that Richter is the strongest Belmont, and Alucard beat a possessed Richter. But that's very dodgy since nothing implies that the Belmonts are somehow that far superior in strength.

      And, yeah no at the x23.

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    • TacticalNuke002 wrote: Jills aren't baseline. Alduin oneshotted 22 or 23 of them casually. Miraak is stronger than Alduin and Dovahkiin is stronger than him. That doesn't sound just 23x baseline.

      Forgot this was post dlc; that’s still around the 20-30 range though.

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    • Ogbunabali wrote:

      Ok so I guess I was wrong there, but Alucard still resist almost all of the Dovahkiin’s hax while most of Alucard’s kills the Dovahkiin pretty easily. This reminds me of that fight we had with Ahzidal vs Dracula, but the Dovahkiin doesn’t have that dragon priest’s bfr and that dragon priest was in his prime (when Dargoo said he would have stomped the Dovahkiin) and he still barely got an inconclusive against Dracula. Much less the Dovahkiin (a person that dragon priest could stomp) vs Alucard (someone who stomps Dracula). ABC logic sure, but Alucard has the same reason for wining as Dracula did while the Dovahkiin doesn’t have the reason that was an inconclusive so I’m pretty sure the Dovahkiin is haxed to death here

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    • Applying the 7.5x oneshot rule gives above 200x

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    • TacticalNuke002 wrote: Applying the 7.5x oneshot rule gives above 200x

      Good thing we don’t use that rule for in verse one shots or else we would get a million above baseline dragon ball which was rejected hard.

      Should point out that million times baseline was using 2x on top of that and still got that absurd number.

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    • @Keeweed What hax? What what are you talking about. Alucard doesn't have anything significant that works on the Dovahkiin.

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    • Prisoner Metaphysics, Skull of Corruption and Staff of Magnus exist too.

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    • Fandom just ate my last post. Anyways I now have an idea for a thread (it was in my last post but that was destroyed). I’ll probably just change my vote to the Dovahkiin.

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    • Yeah, voting Dovah

      Skull of Corruption summons an Alucard that works for Dovah and Staff of Magnus does low 1-C powernull. Both are obviously bad news for Alucard.

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    • Yeah, Alucard is not getting pass the Staff of Magnus, which can and will one-shot him.

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    • Does he use the staff of magnus in character? If so can I see some scans of that?

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    • I remember you getting the stuff as an usable item after the whole eye of magnus event.

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    • That doesn’t really answer my question. Has he used it in character? Cause aside from the dragon shouts, the Dovahkiin doesn’t have anything to start off with iirc.

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    • Pretty sure his metaphysics make him every possible combination of actions at once. Like, that guy that decided to make the "beat skyrim with no items" and the guy that did 100% of everything in it are equally true at the same time.


      No idea how that actually applies tough.

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    • wait so

      Dovahkiin is over 20x stronger

      and Dovahkiin also resists all of Alucard's moves that would net him the win

      How is this not a stomp?

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    • Prisoner Metaphysics lets him start with anything and everything and none of the starting moves contradict each other.

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    • ZephyrosOmega wrote: wait so

      Dovahkiin is over 20x stronger

      and Dovahkiin also resists all of Alucard's moves that would net him the win

      How is this not a stomp?

      Woah there he doesn't resist everything

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    • Where does Dovahkin scale above 20X baseline?

      Ok so that means it’s basically random AF on what he starts with, so how does that prove he uses the staff of magnus in character?

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    • ABoogieYesSir wrote:

      ZephyrosOmega wrote: wait so

      Dovahkiin is over 20x stronger

      and Dovahkiin also resists all of Alucard's moves that would net him the win

      How is this not a stomp?

      Woah there he doesn't resist everything

      He resists Transmutation and Soul manipulation (Alucard's wincons)

      Everything else relies on damage and gets lolnoped by 20x AP advantage.

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    • Alucard has no reasonable wincon here considering Dovahkiin atomizes

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    • Theglassman12 wrote: Where does Dovahkin scale above 20X baseline?

      Ok so that means it’s basically random AF on what he starts with, so how does that prove he uses the staff of magnus in character?

      There is a Matt quote about PM. Let me find it.

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    • ZephyrosOmega wrote: Alucard has no reasonable wincon here considering Dovahkiin atomizes

      Like I said he doesn't resist everything he has and Alucard can seal him, Turn him into stone, and absorption.

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    • Absorption is absorption of blood which gets lolnoped by 20X ap

      Sealing requires Al to kill or at least Incap the Dovahkiin, like it does every time he fucking fights Dracula

      Petrification counts under Transmutation

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    • "Everyone here talking about first moves are blissfully unaware of how TES Metaphysics work.

      The Prisoner is free from the chains of causality and determinism that bind the Dream of the Godhead, and thus have true free will to be as they are, walk any path they choose and do as they will.

      They can be of any race, any gender, and do anything, and it will be all simultaneously and equally true regardless of contradictions, as the Prisoner is an entity that exists outside all possibility-points (Possible future branching paths).

      So the Dovahkiin will have every item they can use, every spell they can use, and will be able to act with maximum efficiency and use the best spells, shouts, techniques and attacks for the situation at hand."

      -Matthew Schroeder

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    • Theglassman12 wrote: Where does Dovahkin scale above 20X baseline?

      Ok so that means it’s basically random AF on what he starts with, so how does that prove he uses the staff of magnus in character?

      Because as the Prisoner, the Dovahkiin is a quantum-being who simultaneously walks through all paths, with each of them being equally valid. This is already mentioned in his profile.

      "As a Prisoner, the Dovahkiin is a quantum-being who is simultaneously of every race, every gender, and who walks all paths."

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    • Isn’t Alucard’s soul hax in the infinites 

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    • I agree this is a stomp. Alucard's soul hax, even if you wank it to the absolute max, it's still 3D. You need higher D soul manip if you want to even think about doing anything to the Dovahkiin.

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    • Ogbunabali wrote: I agree this is a stomp. Alucard's even if you wank it to the absolute max, it's still 3D. You need higher D soul manip if you want to even think about doing anything to the Dovahkiin.

      I agree with this.

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    • So… Dracula vs Dovahkin when? ovo

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    • I don't think Drac does much better.

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    • Genericstickman wrote: So… Dracula vs Dovahkin when? ovo

      We’ve done that multiple times now.

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    • That doesn’t answer my question on what the Dovahkiin does in character. He can use theoretically everything that he gets in the game, but where does that lead to “he uses the abilities that Alucard doesn’t resist” when he doesn’t have any abilities that will let him know on Alucard’s power?

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    • Tactical posted the explanation above.

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    • That post doesn’t explain how Dovahkiin would know to use the abilities and weapons that alucard doesn’t resist.

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    • He doesn't have to know. It has nothing to do with knowing. As a quantum being he starts with every single move he can make simultaneously.

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    • I’d like to see some scans or proof of him doing that.

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    • Pretty sure Matthew's blog covers all of that. This is the most direct quote though

      PIC 1: Through the breach, the gigantic form of Akulakhan looks down at all of us, unreadable hope in its eyes. Its third eye is open, with the barely discernable head of the Nerevarine serving as its pilot, the gender and race either indistinct or, if you prefer to render it this way: simply just "quantum-vibrating" too fast to tell.

      -Landfall: Day 1

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    • How does that translate to him using everything at once?

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    • Have you read the blog?

      The Prisoner is a Metaphysical constant in the Dream of the Godhead, that exists as a quantum being that walks all paths simultaneously. Which makes him shoot a fireball and use Mehrunes Dagon to destroy and rewrite Alucard's nymic, and while naked beat Alduin with his fists all at the same time.

      In layman's terms it's a meta analogy for the player character. Every save scam, every single playthrough anyone has ever done, etc are all true.

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    • If they’re all true then how does he know what to use right away if basically anything he does is a coin toss depending on what the player does?

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    • It's not, because they all happen simultaneously.

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    • Because every possible action that he can take will all happen simultaneously, since he walks through all paths.

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    • Ok, and what are his resistance levels on cause nothing is even mentioned on how potent Dovahkiin’s resistance are

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    • his soul was 1-A in resistance i think 

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    • Pretty sure Ultima mentioned in the Joker vs Dovahkiin thread that the 1-A soul thing doesn’t mean much in a versus thread.

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    • Wouldn't his metaphysics automatically mean that every match with Dovah is an incon?

      It takes every possible path it could... at once. Meaning, there are those that go at alucard screaming and naked and those that use all daedric artifacts a once. One may loose while the other wins, but both paths are true at once regardless.

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    • The ones where Dovah dies aren't the true ones

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    • But the ones where he just runs away or is otherwise incqpped are.

      His metaphysics don't work with Sba in mind, so a 24 hour incao or it just leaving for a week are both equally true.

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    • So, I don't think you guys are understanding Prisoner metaphysics properly.

      Any path where the Dovahkiin is sealed way/killed/BFR'd would be invalidated by the path where the Dovahkiin comes out victorious, provided there's any chance of success at all. Past Prisoners have been able to use this to beat 99% chances of failure, such as those that Sotha Sil calculated for the Vestige to beat Nocturnal in ESO.

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    • Why would the metaphysics consider SBA tough? If Dovah kills alucard after being out to sleep for 24 hours for whatever reason, why would the metaphysics undo that? Dovah still won, just not by our standards.

      Why would it counter Dovah going away for a week to prepare just because we consider that a loss by BFR?

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    • leaning hard on the dova here 

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    • Again, This is a stomp.

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    • would it change if it was dova vs dracula?

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    • This is kinda a stomp oof

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    • FloweryAlex wrote:
      Why would the metaphysics consider SBA tough? If Dovah kills alucard after being out to sleep for 24 hours for whatever reason, why would the metaphysics undo that? Dovah still won, just not by our standards.

      Why would it counter Dovah going away for a week to prepare just because we consider that a loss by BFR?

      Firstly, we have to assume that Alucard simply lets the Dovahkiin leave. Sure, in-game, creatures in Skyrim will stop following you after a certain point, but by SBA, they're already 4km away from each other and Alucard is coming with intent to kill. Why would Alucard let the Dragonborn simply walk away for a week?

      Still, this is a stomp, as others have noted.

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    • That didn't answer Flowery's question. It applies to all of the dovahkiins matches.

      But dovah's ridicolous stealth can be a pretty good reason for it.

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    • Pretty sure Dovah can just Mind Hax GG

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    • While it's possible for there to be the path where the Dovahkiin would run, that version would be completely overwritten by the path where he fight and win. During Morrowind, there must be one path where the Nerevarine run and just hide in his house, letting Dagoth Ur wins, but history still follow the path where he wins. During ESO, there must be at least one path where the Vestige just let Molag Bal or Nocturnal wins, but history still follow the path where the Vestige wins.

      Also, while it is possible that there might be one path where the Dovahkiin would run, this is not always the case, as seenbin Landfall, where every version of the Nerevarine fought against Numidium and not a single one of them runs away.

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    • Theglassman12 wrote:
      That doesn’t really answer my question. Has he used it in character? Cause aside from the dragon shouts, the Dovahkiin doesn’t have anything to start off with iirc.

      prison metaphysics makes it so he uses it regardless in character or not

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    • basically anything dovakhin has which is covered through eso and matts blogg that he will pretty much use what he needs to use in order to defeat his opponent. 

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    • prison metaphysics were in fact agreed upon higher staff to be 1A hax because the prisonor surpasses the laws of time and casuality within the elder scrolls. with daedric artifacts he is at least low complexed multiversal. with etaeda artifacts he list into high hyperversal with magnus shit.

      and his hax resistance should be outerversal, depends on the hax tho

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    • Dovah is pretty good, but not as good as the above comment says.

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    • Waria Kambang wrote: While it's possible for there to be the path where the Dovahkiin would run, that version would be completely overwritten by the path where he fight and win. During Morrowind, there must be one path where the Nerevarine run and just hide in his house, letting Dagoth Ur wins, but history still follow the path where he wins. During ESO, there must be at least one path where the Vestige just let Molag Bal or Nocturnal wins, but history still follow the path where the Vestige wins.

      Also, while it is possible that there might be one path where the Dovahkiin would run, this is not always the case, as seenbin Landfall, where every version of the Nerevarine fought against Numidium and not a single one of them runs away.

      That is not answering the question. A version that runs for a week, prepares and then comes back and wins would not be overwritten, which would be a victory by his perspective but a loss by our rules.

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote:

      Waria Kambang wrote: While it's possible for there to be the path where the Dovahkiin would run, that version would be completely overwritten by the path where he fight and win. During Morrowind, there must be one path where the Nerevarine run and just hide in his house, letting Dagoth Ur wins, but history still follow the path where he wins. During ESO, there must be at least one path where the Vestige just let Molag Bal or Nocturnal wins, but history still follow the path where the Vestige wins.

      Also, while it is possible that there might be one path where the Dovahkiin would run, this is not always the case, as seenbin Landfall, where every version of the Nerevarine fought against Numidium and not a single one of them runs away.

      That is not answering the question. A version that runs for a week, prepares and then comes back and wins would not be overwritten, which would be a victory by his perspective but a loss by our rules.

      So what? While that version is busy preparing his plan for one week, the one that stay there and used the Staff of Magnus would have already ended the fight long before the version that ran away can self-BFR himself.

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    • But both realities are equally true at once, so there is a version that waited for a week to beat alucard.

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    • Ricsi-viragosi wrote: But both realities are equally true at once, so there is a version that waited for a week to beat alucard.

      But there is only one Alucard. The one that ran away might be busy preparing, but the one that can one-shot him would have killed that one Alucard.

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    • PM doesn't affect Alucard's behaviour, so I don't see why he would allow Dovah to just walk away. This would force Dovah into fighting anyway.

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    • Pretty sure it does affect the behavior of others, as the different paths the dovah takes have different outcomes that would disqualify others.

      There is a dovah that killed every single person, that doesn't mean that the one that has a wife and a child just ceases existing. The metaphysics cannot work without affecting everything around them, and nothing I saw of it implies they do.

      And the dovah has the thing called stealth.

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    • Jesus Christ, people are intentionally misconstruing the Prisoner Metaphysics.

      Prisoner Metaphysics makes the Dovahkiin start with his best possible move in the best possible way every single time, because he has already done every single move already. That's why he was able to defeat Nocturnal who had a scientific chance of 99.999999(9)% chance of winning.

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    • From what I understand:

      Unless Prisoner's winning chance completely at 0% then Prisoner wins.

      If this is correct a Prisoner only lose when there is no chance to win or other character lose if there is sliver chance for Prisoner to win. So either way isn't Prisoner matchs are stomp?

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    • Gonna vote Dovahkiin for now. He can start off by simply Mind Haxxing Alucard by speaking and it'd be over. 

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    • i vote dova too

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    • bump, please close stomp in favor of dova

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