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    16:42, June 12, 2019

    Issei Hyoudou vs. Dante

    • Speed equalized
    • CxC Issei and Anime Dante will be used
    • All other SBA

    Who wins and why?

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    • What's Issei's AP and how does he amp himself?

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    • Finally someone made it.

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    • Schnee One wrote: What's Issei's AP and how does he amp himself?

      CxC is far above Triaina, which is way stronger than BxB, which is baseline. His amp is thought based iirc, but does like 5 boost at the time going by the novel.

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    • @Ion

      There are two CxC key.

      One is before Dragon Deification which is 7-A and the other is Post-Dragon Deification which is 6-C

      As for this fight, Dante seems to have an edge in AP.

      Also I recall Dante can't use multiple Style at once, like he can't use Doppelganger while he is using Quicksilver style.

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    • I'm using the 7-A one.

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    • GoodDaySir wrote:

      Also I recall Dante can't use multiple Style at once, like he can't use Doppelganger while he is using Quicksilver style.

      He can, console hardware just limited Dante to 1 style, not lore or logic.

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    • Well, I am leaning more towards Dante here.

      He seems to have more and better hax then Issei and on top of that Dante also has more AP.

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    • If Issei is baseline Dante will one shot even he doesn't boost if he's in DT

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    • Yeah, basically what Schnee said

      Sid was comparable to Dante in base, but got completely destroyed by one DT slash, Issei being weaker than Sid makes him "one-shotable" 

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    • I thought Issei had more hax but reading his file he is more like a wall (kinda like Dante) and none of his abilities deal any real damage or are truly relevant.

      Forgot about Divine Dividing + Boost, that could close the gap.

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    • You mean aside from His Boost

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    • Ninja'd

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    • Your Edit was 3 minutes ago mine was 4...….

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    • My internet is slow...

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    • Yeah divine dividing and boost can close the ap gap.

      too bad dante doesn't have boobs so that issei can pailingual him

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    • I don't want to know how does that even works

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    • Wouldn't one Divide and Boost make Issei stronger than Dante?

      Since he'd get half of Dante's strength, add it to his own, and then multiply it by two?

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    • Depends on if it applies to his DT or not.

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    • It would if Dante was in DT when Issei used Divide.

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    • Then no.

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    • By SBA, wouldn't Dante start off in DT?

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    • No it's a strength amp

      That's like saying Goku automatically starts with Kaioken and Issei starts boosted

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    • "Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version."

      Then what would this apply for? If DT Dante was a different key?

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    • Yes

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    • What's the reason it isn't another key?

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    • Because it's an amp, not an entirely separate form.

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    • How is DT not a form?

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    • Because it's an amp, not an entirely separate form.

      Every DT form is basically the same Dante, but with a amp in AP, Dura and Speed

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    • You know forms don't mean you are a different person right?

      The same Dante with horns, clawed hands and feet, and a demon face. DT is more of a transformation than Super Saiyan is.

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    • I think Dragon makes sense here

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    • You know forms don't mean you are a different person right?

      ...you don't say

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    • Dante Demon Killah wrote: Because it's an amp, not an entirely separate form.

      Every DT form is basically the same Dante, but with a amp in AP, Dura and Speed

      The way you're saying "the same Dante" implies that you're saying that after a transformation, you become someone else/not the same person you were before.

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    • What's the difference between Boost and a Devil Trigger

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    • Because Boost doesn't make Issei grow horns, claws on both his feet and hands, and generally doesn't change his physical appearance at all. Similar to Kaioken.

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    • So it's literally only a physical appearance.

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    • Devil Trigger isn't a normal transformation, it's basically Dante using his demonic side even more to boost his Stats and this makes him looks as a Devil instead of Human. Still the same Dante from the key that we are using here, his Tier stills the same no matter the version since the boost is Unknown. There is absolutely no need to add 5 new keys (since he have 5 and all of them can go DT) that have the same ap, same speed, same durability, same experience and same hax from the other 5 keys, it will just flood his profile with unnecessary waste of time and space


      Now if you gain some horns and wings, you gain a new key ? Lol

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    • I agree, the only thing I think should be added "tier" wise is "higher with Devil Trigger" but it isn't that big of a deal

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    • But maybe the Sparda Devil Trigger could be a different key ? It's similar in hax with DMC1 Dante, but AP and Durability are vastly different

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    • Probably should yeah

      Either way, Dante starts off normally

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    • Then can you define what makes a transformation a transformation?

      "Devil Trigger isn't a normal transformation, it's basically Dante using his demonic side more to boost his Stats and this makes him looks as a Devil instead of Human."

      Dude that's describing what he's doing, not how it's not a transformation.

      "Because It would make his profile cluttered" isn't an excuse for inaccuracy.

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    • What is being disscused here exactly?

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    • A transformation is a permanent amp to the character that permanetly amps and changes their stats. An Amp is a very small temporary boost.

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    • Schnee One wrote:
      A transformation is a permanent amp to the character that permanetly amps and changes their stats. An Amp is a very small temporary boost.

      So your argument is that if the amp isn't permanent, then it's not a transformation?

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    • Tony di bugalu wrote:
      What is being disscused here exactly?

      I thought Dante would start in DT as that is the strongest form of Anime Dante by SBA. However, Schnee said he would not as DT is an amp and not a transformation. We are now discussing the difference between an amp and a transformation.

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    • DT is a transformation that amps all his stats/abilities, and his mind set is totally diferent there. If he starts in that form he ain't fooling around and will one-shot Issei ASAP. But this key covers his base form and the DT is what grants a "far higher", dunno if it changes anything.

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    • Okay, to stop derailing and get back into the fight, let's say he starts in base form.

      Issei uses Boost and Divide multiple times. Depending on his level of enhanced senses, he would probably realize that Issei has taken his strength. He could turn into DT then and then Issei would use the same tactics again. Since Boost multiplies Issei's speed as well, Dante wouldn't be able to blitz him once he uses DT. (I'm not sure about this so I put this in parentheses but if Dante's DT is proportional to himself, as in the form is stronger/faster when his base is stronger/faster, then it would also be weakened/slower than it usually is due to the multiple Divides weakening Dante). Then Issei will be able to take the rest with his AP/Speed advantage and Flight(until Dante uses DT), along with his huge AOE (Being able to envelop entire mountains, a city, and islands with his attacks). The bombardment of AOE blasts that he can move with extreme maneuverability should make dodging pretty much impossible. I'm not sure what the Untouchable is but Penetrate should bypass it. Penetrate should also neg his Dreadnaught form's shell and Reflect should make any projectiles from Dante useless. Also, by SBA this starts at 4km and while Issei is able to attack from that range, I'm not sure if this Dante is because his range only has two keys. If he can't then that's another advantage for Issei, if he can then the rest still applies. Voting for Issei for my reasoning.

      Penetrate: One of Ddraig's original abilities which were locked away in the depths of the Boosted Gear, it allows Issei to bypass and transmit his attacks through objects and any defensive ability that would impede him from directly touching the target, including abilities that can nullify his powers on contact, as shown when it bypassed the Sacred Gear Canceller. He can use it to see through solid obstacles.

      I realize that I'm probably going to have to do the "Dante doesn't use his hax often" vs "Dante spams all his hax abilities at once" debate that I had to go through in the Dante vs Goku Black thread and it sucksssssssssss

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    • I have time now, leaving this so you dont fall in despair @Ionliosite :v

      How often does Issei use Divide? How does it works? Does he need to touch him, at distance, etc?

      DT is (AFAIK) proportional to his base stats to a large margin (enough to stomp someone comparable to him in one hit).

      Dante could redirect the attacks with Royal Guard but since "Penetrate" seems to fuck with in Dante could only redirect them and not stop them. Also, does the AoE carries the "Penetrate" effect too or just punching or the like? Also, does it works in a passive way or he has to activate it?

      Dante does not have Dreadnought in this key. Any projectiles are just redirected with royal guard or probably evaded.

      Dante can levitate in base/semi DT but is more easy to fly with his DT.

      Finally, is Issei a long range fighter or a H2H? That changes a lot of your post.

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    • I vote for Dante because:

      If he notices losing strength while his enemy gets stronger then DT will come to play way to earlier meaning hax.

      He can either redirect attacks or heal himself with Royal Guard, use a doppleganger to deal a lot of damage and end fast the battle, evade the wyverns since it seems they need to touch Dante to halve his strength (or even destroy them), freeze Issei with cerberus, keep Issei close at all times thanks to his teleportation or keep him in check with Artemis homing attack.

      Untouchable makes him invulnerable for a shor period of time, dunno if "Penetrate" could bypass it.

      If Dante manages to destroy the armor or expose Issei he can deal way more damage with his holy water or using Beowulf which can throw projectiles.

      On top of all Dante has actual regeneration meaning if Issei manages to debilitate him he can regen again and seal him.

      TL;DR: Dante one shots using everything at once if he loses power or after a long battle he seals.

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    • “Since it seems they need to touch Dante to halve his strength”


      Dividing Wyvern Fairy: Issei summons several small white dragons from the jewels in his armor. He can control and direct them with his thoughts, and they can reflect attacks and also use 'Divide' to halve the power of targets. He can change the colour of the wyverns into red, granting them the ability to use 'Boost', 'Transfer' and 'Penetrate'.

      Where did you get that from?


      Since DT is proportional, then that means Dante won’t be as strong or fast when he transforms.

      Penetrate negs both Untouchable and the healing aspect of Royal Guard, I posted the description of how it works.

      The armor regens so destroying it won’t do much and Issei will have a large AP advantage near the start so doing that will be tough. Beowulf’s projectiles will just be turned back against Dante by Reflect.

      Dante’s regen is weakened the more times he uses it so Issei just has to hit him several times, which isn’t going to be hard with his homing attacks that have giant AOE.

      Dante’s used Sealing all of one time and he’s been in life threatening situations since then and not used it, so he’s not going to use it on Issei.

      Also, you’re saying that Dante will use Doppelganger, holy water, Artemis, Royal Guard, and Beowulf. It’s already been said that him only being able to use one Style at a time is game mechanics so that’s not what I’m asking about but where did you get Dante using all of these abilities and weapons at the same time so efficiently from? Like, as that being something in character for him to do.

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    • Issei for Dragon's reasons

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    • Issei FRA.

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    • Dante FRA

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    • From Vali's profile. I was asuming, those things also needed to touch something to divide.

      I'll respond later.

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    • I believe contact is needed for the normal usage of Divide, but after it is done, there's no longer any need for it again. Both individual stats and power of attacks would be reduced automatically. There was a time Vali used it on Loki's attacks without making contact first, but Ise said "Is that an applied move of his technique to halve his territory?", implying it could have been Half Dimension (which is what I believe he did, though some disagree with this).

      But really, Divide isn't needed for direct usage here as he just needs enough Boosts which is easy as he can use it dozens of times in an exhausted state. Btw, the amount of Boosts he starts with is more like twelve to fourteen on the average (ex: Diodora, Cao Cao, Loki, Apophis, etc). He used it ten times against Dulio, but that was after the partial DxD transformation which takes a lot of stamina. Aside from Boost (which also affects durability), he has amps in all basic areas of offence and defense too, although not quantifiable.

      Just skimming through the thread, the wyverns can be recreated when destroyed. It's highly unlikely that ranged attacks will have much effect due to them. Holy water is hardly useful against High-class devils and above (how much does Dante use it anyway?) so it should have very little relevance here except I'm missing something.

      The thing I’m holding on to is a small bottle that contains holy water. This was the other thing I prepared before I came here.

      An item that doesn’t have that much effect against High-class Devils. If the Devils here in the hall sees this, then they will have just laughed with their nose.

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    • @Dragon I ask again, is Issei a H2H fighter or he just flies away and spams long range projectiles?

      Dante can redirect/reflect attacks back too, also, Dante's regen is not weakened the more he uses it/the longer a fight goes, dunno why he still has such weaknesses when nothing points to something like that.

      >Dante’s used Sealing all of one time and he’s been in life threatening situations since then and not used it

      I belive getting bombarded from all places (if he likes long range play) while becoming weaker every moment and having the options cut is one hell of a life threatening situation. In short, he'll use it.

      Dante has a mastery over every weapon he finds, three of the styles in game are bs since they are just better use of guns, better use of melee weapons and dashes plus teleport which he should be able to do by default, doppleganger can use one set of weapons while Dante uses another one and DP is a last resort but seeing he is losing his power with every second he will just use everything.

      @BFF

      Just to clafiry, does Isse use Divide in character or does he spams it or it is more like an hidden As?

      Also, Dante can probably sense Issei is a demon, he may not use it ASAP but he will use it, if the armor is on then nothing and if it breaks and he uses it in that moment then nothing too going by your post. In gamplay you can hurt Mundus with it but those probably are game mechanics.

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    • With a match from 4km away he's going to use projectile spam.

      With Royal Guard right? Penetrate would neg that.

      For the regen weakness thing, you should make a CRT for that as that's been on his profile for a long time.

      "I belive getting bombarded from all places (if he likes long range play) while becoming weaker every moment and having the options cut is one hell of a life threatening situation. In short, he'll use it."

      You misunderstood what I said. I said that Dante has only used his Sealing one time ever. Since then, Dante has been in situations where he could die and at no point did he use Sealing. So when he loses here, he will not use Sealing at any point during the fight.

      "Dante has a mastery over every weapon he finds, three of the styles in game are bs since they are just better use of guns, better use of melee weapons and dashes plus teleport which he should be able to do by default, doppleganger can use one set of weapons while Dante uses another one and DP is a last resort but seeing he is losing his power with every second he will just use everything."

      I didn't say he can't do that, I'm saying where does him spamming all his abilities at once being in character come from?

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    • WK6988 wrote:

      In all seriousness though, going with Dante via hax and his wide arsenal

      You know that having more abilities doesn't mean you win right? This Dante doesn't have any durability negating hax either.

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    • DragonEmperor23 wrote:

      I mean, I expected him to try and get closer but Teleport would close the gap pretty fast and will force Isse into H2H.

      Penetrate has feats of bypassing attack reflection? If not Dante can Royal Release everything back at him.

      The only time Dante was in a sitation in which he could die was during DMC5 against Urizen and he could not even destroy his barrier and got one shotted, twice :v

      It's not really in character but once he gets serious (DT form) there is no holdback for him and will try to end it ASAP.

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    • DragonEmperor23 wrote:

      Penetrate: One of Ddraig's original abilities which were locked away in the depths of the Boosted Gear, it allows Issei to bypass and transmit his attacks through objects and any defensive ability that would impede him from directly touching the target, including abilities that can nullify his powers on contact, as shown when it bypassed the Sacred Gear Canceller. He can use it to see through solid obstacles.

      ^This would work.

      "The only time Dante was in a sitation in which he could die was during DMC5 against Urizen and he could not even destroy his barrier and got one shotted, twice :v"

      Right. And he didn't use Sealing at any of those points in the battle.


      "It's not really in character but once he gets serious (DT form) there is no holdback for him and will try to end it ASAP."

      There's a difference between being serious and using all your abilities at once. The former is easy to say a character will be, Dante was plenty serious against Urizen. The latter is not and requires evidence. Dante didn't do any of this ability spam against Urizen.

      "I mean, I expected him to try and get closer but Teleport would close the gap pretty fast and will force Isse into H2H."

      What's his teleport range?

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    • I mean, the attack is touching Dante, he just redirects/reflects it back at you.

      >Right. And he didn't use Sealing at any of those points in the battle.

      Because it was Vergil and he wants him dead, nor sealed. Besides, there was a barrier between them. And Urizen didn't do much besides one shottin his ass

      I concede there, he might not use them ASAP in DT but they will come into play rather soon if Issei keeps becoming stronger/faster than him.

      >What's his teleport range?

      I can't belive I don't really know this one In gamplay not much, but he can spam it. That's why I said he can close the gap pretty fast.

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    • That's true but teleport is not even in character.

      Penetrate bypassed power null and supposedly bypasses all forms of defense so it should bypass even attack reflection since AR is a thing in verse. But again royal guard or release haven't even ever been used in canon. You can't go like oh royal guard gg. It's an option so you can argue he'll use it if he's being severely pushed almost killed since he didn't even use it against vergil.

      DT form means serious as in not holding back, not using every hax he's never used.

      And regen can be tired and he has never survived something like decapitation so issei crushing his head is pretty easy. But again the regen will not hold out for long.

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    • The Sealing is a projectile too right? Issei can Reflect it back at Dante.

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    • >Getting close to a guy who is spaming lasers like there is no tomorrow is not in character. 

      Sure, why not.

      Which Vergil?, because we only have cutscenes of the moments before the fight and when the fight is over. And I'm not saying it's RG GG.

      "I concede there, he might not use them ASAP in DT but they will come into play rather soon if Issei keeps becoming stronger/faster than him."

      You have played the games AFAIK, can you show evidence of his Regen getting tired? Or his regen being taxed? Neither Issei can survive decapitation and going by BFF post he is not really into spaming Divide rather using Boost which could only close the gap between the 2.

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    • Burning Full Fingers wrote:

      But really, Divide isn't needed for direct usage here as he just needs enough Boosts which is easy as he can use it dozens of times in an exhausted state. Btw, the amount of Boosts he starts with is more like twelve to fourteen on the average (ex: Diodora, Cao Cao, Loki, Apophis, etc). He used it ten times against Dulio, but that was after the partial DxD transformation which takes a lot of stamina. Aside from Boost (which also affects durability), he has amps in all basic areas of offence and defense too, although not quantifiable.

      Burning said that he doesn't need Divide to win here, not that he doesn't use it.

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    • I understood wrong his post, shieeeet

      "Just to clafiry, does Isse use Divide in character or does he spams it or it is more like an hidden As?"

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    • Spamming lasers... you mean like half of the things dante has to fight? Also his teleport is like 10m. He needs 400 teleports to close the distance. Yeah I can definitely see that happening.

      First fight and second fight with vergil in DMC 3. Second fight a bit less, but first fight is like almost a full cut scene fight. Yet no signs of royal guard. There were plenty of cases to use it he still didn't.

      Hmm basic case off the top of my head. In dmc5 when vergil first appears he says "go heal your wounds dante". If his regen were limitless he wouldn't need to heal his wounds considering how stupidly fast that can heal him.

      Never said he could but he does mostly use divide against ranged attacks, pretty in character. And know what is also pretty in character? Ebony and Ivory. Which would be more in character than rebelion given the range here.

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    • Tony di bugalu wrote: I understood wrong his post, shieeeet

      "Just to clafiry, does Isse use Divide in character or does he spams it or it is more like an hidden As?"

      He does only against ranged stuff though.

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    • Firephoenixearl wrote:

      None of the guys who spams lasers are more than a dozen of meters away from him.

      First fight: in cutscene they talk and fight starts. The second cutscene shows Dante getting thrown around, some talk then a tired/ouclassed Dante gets impaled twice and more talk, there was no fight there. And there are no more escenes of him fighting, just beginning and end of the battle.

      The previous moment debunks this, he is A-Ok when he finish his fight with Urizen, albeit somewhat tired, then a full power Vergil appears and throws that line, and nothing more. Not a show of his healing factor/regeneration getting taxed.

      Dante is more of a H2H fighter, he rarely takes things to a large range game and uses them along with Rebellion, just look at the DMC3 cutscenes, heck before Urizen one-shots his ass he was getting close to Urizen never shotting a single bullet.

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    • Which is his teleport range. If he doesn't use teleport in range you think he gonna use it 400 times in a row?

      They still fight they shoot, fight, clash etc. Doesn't change the fact that royal guard has NEVER been used. Don't even try to say it will come out anytime soon.

      Yeah that says he's tired. That changes the fact that vergil himself says go heal your wounds how exactly? If he needs to heal his wounds his regen can be tired.

      He did shoot at urizen, echidna, berial, vergil, Nero, the knights in DMC 4 etc. Don't even try to say e&I are not ic. They are his number one way to start and end a fight.

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    • So, what does Dante use in character then? This is anime Dante, can't the show be used to gauge this?

      Tony di bugalu wrote: Also, Dante can probably sense Issei is a demon, he may not use it ASAP but he will use it, if the armor is on then nothing and if it breaks and he uses it in that moment then nothing too going by your post.

      Boost won't merely close the gap, it'd surpass it. Dante would not be able to break his armour to that extent in close combat as he would have used Boost enough times in advance and it affects defense. Assuming he doesn't, he would have known in advance that Dante's stronger, and then simply combine Rook + Boost to amplify his defense so Dante cannot go through the armour, as he did against Euclid who was superior to him. But if it hits him, it wouldn't count for much as holy water is in the bottom tier of things effective against demons in DxD and he's withstood better stuff from a Seraph level angel and ran straight through light techniques used by Loki with little trouble.

      (Note: Never mind about the holy water stuff, I somehow completely misunderstood your statement..)


      Reminds me though, could Ascalon be useful here? He does use it against people who wield melee weapons. I recognise Dante has resistance, but the holy weapons seem to be better as they do say it can make devils' existence vanish without a trace and weaken their power.

      “It’s the damage caused by the holy-sword. Devils and fallen-angels get their power and existence erased by receiving damage from the holy-sword to their body. If it were a bit deeper, then it would have been critical.”

      "Did you know you almost died just now? Pierced by the holy spear, you were almost erased. Death is surprisingly simple, no?"

      Cao Cao laughed lightly.

      ...You said I almost died just now? Really. Yes, it was a critical wound right in the belly, but I've had had similar in the past, and I could still move. I was even thinking of sending a punch to your face as a counter.

      —- Almost erased?

      Was it referring to devils disappearing without trace from holy attacks? ...I was in that state just now? ...Smoking all over my body, my existence was about to disappear?

      Realizing that, I had reason to shudder.

      If not, he could simply use Boost to massively amplify the effects as he did against Riser using holy water. Normally, Riser would be able to ignore the effects of holy water, but after the power was increased, he took heavy damage from it and could not control his powers properly again.

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    • Yeah, that's a valid argument I didn't think about. Issei has his own anti devil weapons that he can use on Dante.

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    • I looked up vids of anime Dante fighting.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw8UswJlo68

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPMNWFmD5Qw

      He doesn't seem to use Styles at all, just his swords and guns.

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    • Even against Abigail he didn't use them btw

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    • Ignore that, troll

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    • Oh well, Issei fra.

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    • Baul and Modeus, fodders that he just needed Swordmaster to stomp, and they are 7-B

      Abigail, who got him off guard and after this he got insta-destroyed by Dante's Devil Trigger

      Saying that he doesn't use his styles based on these fights is...well, wrong lol

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    • @Killah

      Can you give an example of Dante using a Style?

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    • Like what ? Quicksilver cutscene ? Doppelganger cutscene ? Both are styles and in DMC3 he uses in Cutscene. Or maybe do you really believe that Dante is going to say "Gunslinger !" when he starts to use his guns ? Lmao

      Using Swordmaster is basically Sword moves, Gunslinger are his guns moves and Trickster is basically his speed, Royalguard is actually the only one he doesn't use in a cutscene officially, every other we had examples, even Dark Slayer Style in DMC4. So I don't understand what you mean by "giving examples of his styles" where most of his styles are just his normal moves, like Sword, Guns and Speed and the most specific ones have examples in cutscenes, even Royalguard kinda appears when he blocks the Savior, since he's using the same block stance from the Style

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    • For something like Doppelganger, I don't need to see him say "Doppelganger", just him using it. No one mentioned Swordsmaster or Gunslinger here.

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    • Then search for DMC3 cutscenes, both Quicksilver and Doppelganger are there

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    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QUHwa6p_uc

      This?

      I'm not talking about him having the ability but him using it against other people in cutscenes. Since you're the one arguing the point, can you give me a specific scene to look for?

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    • There are almost 0 scenes of Dantr fighting, everything is pre and post battle.

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    • Issei: 4 (DragonEmperor, Schnee One, FirePhoenixearl, Tony di bugalu)

      Dante: 0

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    • Oh, so the argument is that Dante never used against someone in battle in a cutscene ? *sigh*

      Man, we have the cutscene showing him using, and we have the power in gameplay, what is the point ? A hack and slash game is going to make the battles, which are basically the core of this type of game, outside the gameplay ? Are you kidding ? Using his fights from the anime as a reference just a big lie since Dante doesn't fight with anyone in his level and when he fights, the strategy was a one shot via DT, not a long fight with lots of other abilities, we are talking about a fight In the middle of the city with thousands of people around against a powerful demon, Dante simply went for the kill to avoid more deaths that already happened by that point in the episode. And I'm really disappointed that Supporters of the verse fell for this, what a let down

      No, we don't have a specific cutscene of Dante using Doppelganger (or Quicksilver) against someone, but we have cutscenes showing us how the Style works, we have these powers to use in combat and we fight the Bosses who had the power before us, with the Lore showing and explaining those powers and that Dante inherited them from those demons. The nature of Hack and Slash game makes we decide what is in character for Dante, we make his fights, and we never saw a real fight in any DMC outside the gameplay, only some casual fights (like Dante vs Nero), brief moments or the end of them with a final clash, but never the actual full fight in details, this happened against Mundus in DMC1, it happened against Void Mundus (in the 2nd Novel), happened against Argosax (In DMC2, and there is a moment in game, before this fight, that it literally tells you that you need the speed of the Quick Heart to finish the mission), it happened against Vergil in 3 and 5. The exception is the Anime, but since Dante is fighting fodders for the entire show (just like DMC4), using this as argument to say that he just uses a big sword is wrong by default, or Issei fights Tier 9 fodders using his best and most broken abilities ? I don't think so, and would be really unfair saying that he doesn't use his abilities based on this, right ? Huhuhuhu

      And no, I'm not voting for Dante here

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    • Look, I get what you're saying but there is a major difference between "Dante not being able to use all abilities at once is game mechanics" and "Dante in character will use all of his abilities at once".

      The former is understandable but the latter requires evidence of him doing that for it to be used.

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    • At once like what ? Quicksilver + Doppelganger ? At the same time ?

      I don't think he can do that, he can use one and then another, sure, but at the same time it was never even implied, all the others he can use together since they are sword, guns, speed and energy blocks, but advanced styles at once is different

      However, further versions that have the hearts (for example) is different, since they are passive abilities, but doesn't matter, anime Dante doesn't have them

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    • Yeah, stuff like that.

      Okay.

      So what's your thoughts on this fight?

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    • @Dante

      That is not the point. I am not saying "Dante will not use them at all", im just saying, it is not in character for him to just start spamming those at the very beginning of a match. And the quicksilver and doppelganger cases are really special as he was just trying them out as he first got them, never used them again. 

      Again let me stress this : The styles are not in character to be spammed at the start or beginning of fights like nobody's bussiness. They are not coming out in this fights as first moves. First moves would be Rebelion, ebony and ivory and sassyness. He will start pulling those if he's being pushed. 

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    • Firephoenixearl wrote: Again let me stress this : The styles are not in character to be spammed at the start or beginning of fights like nobody's bussiness. They are not coming out in this fights as first moves. First moves would be Rebelion, ebony and ivory and sassyness. He will start pulling those if he's being pushed. 

      That's what I was saying.

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    • Dante Demon Killah wrote: And I'm really disappointed that Supporters of the verse fell for this, what a let down

      Meh, I was in a good mood and Issei spamming lasers like a mad men and killing thousands of innocent people im the middle of a park and being more OoC than Dante seems more appealing to me right now.

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    • Tony di bugalu wrote:

      Dante Demon Killah wrote: And I'm really disappointed that Supporters of the verse fell for this, what a let down

      Meh, I was in a good mood and Issei spamming lasers like a mad men and killing thousands of innocent people im the middle of a park and being more OoC than Dante seems more appealing to me right now.

      SBA never has other people around.

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    • I'm pretty sure it did.

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    • Why?

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    • Dunno, I have seen other matches where there is people and everything and is part of SBA, we may need to ask.

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    • @Tony

      Nah. Do you have any idea how stupid of an advantage that would give some characters when it comes to basic fights?

      Imagine someone who can absorb people to become more poweful absorbing 1000 people just right off the bat...yeah i do not see how having people around is a problem. 

      Not to mention that it creates problems with people who want to avoid other causalites. 

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    • I have seen it being used against some characters before, funny if you think about it

      I have seen that already, gimme time to finish my homework and search for those fights.

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    • 8 hour bump

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    • How can I miss this matchup? XDD

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    • can you give your opinion?

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    • I honestly think Dante should take the advantage with versatility. The question is how much he uses certain haxes in-character, especially in this key.

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    • If you've read through the thread, a lot of the discussion is about that.

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    • Call Dante and ask.

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    • last bump before I sleep bump

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    • Dragopentling wrote: I honestly think Dante should take the advantage with versatility. The question is how much he uses certain haxes in-character, especially in this key.

      ....Read the thread

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    • I can't comment on the novels, but you're taking the game scenes out of context here. He knew Urizen was Vergil and he would go all out against vergil for pretty obvious reasons. He knows how powerful Vergil is (an at least estimation, but vergil turned out to be stronger than that) and he knows he cannot beat him with halfassed methods. So he goes all out.

      Dante going all out against Vergil doesn't mean he'll go all out against other people he has no knowledge on. 

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    • He does if he knows they are a threat. But that point is moot as this is anime Dante.

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    • Everyone does if they know they are a threat. Hell even Medaka who's infamous for having trash openings in character against someone she thought as a threat used her hax. 

      This is no knowledge though.

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    • bump

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    • bump

      hey do you guys know where the current voting thread is?

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    • last bump before I sleep bump

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    • I'm voting for Issei, so that DragonEmperor23 would stop bumping because DragonEmperor23's reasoning for Issei's victory seem to be the most reasonable.

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    • Issei: Dragon, Me, Fire, Skalt, Burning, Tony

      6 I believe

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    • @Schnee One

      Yeah, 6. Dragopentling didn't vote for Dante, so 0 for Dante.

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    • Voting Issei for reasons above.

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    • That's 7 for Issei and 0 for Dante.

      Grace period starts.

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    • I actually didn’t say I’d vote for Dante, so idk what Schnee was on about.

      But whelp, guess I was too late to cast my final vote for Issei. I nearly forgot that in-character Dante doesn’t tend to go all-out often at least for the get-go, especially anime Dante.

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    • You saying you're leaning on Dante...

      Never said you voted at all.

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    • Oh okay, my bad. Like I said, I was leaning on Dante and then i later realized the key used here is in-character anime version.

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    • Waking up to grace period is a good feeling.

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    • I woke up to a concluded match once.

      That is a good feeling

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    • Grace Period over

      I am closing, add the fight at will.

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