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  • Speed is equalized 

    Both at high 4-C tier 

    win via death or KO

    Elder Princess Shroob: 0

    Popeye: 1 (ABoogieYesSir)

    Inconclusive: 0

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    • Popeye BFR´s the princess.

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    • ABoogieYesSir wrote: Popeye BFR´s the princess.

      Not yet before we're done with abilities.

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    • It´s accepted now.

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    • Why they're not added yet then?

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    • bump

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    • What's stopping Elder Princess Shroob from turning Popeye into a shroob mushroom?

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    • Wouldnt Popeye's shapeshifting counter that transmutation? I mean he did turn himself into a rock and a tire before

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    • Insecurity97 

      Probably depends.

      If you can shapeshift into a different person but someone turns you into an apple, you aren't coming back.

      If you can shapesift into an inanimate object you can probably shapeshift back into a human after becoming an apple.

      So yeah Popeye can come back from Transmute

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    • Does he require to be able to think to shapeshift? Cause otherwise being an inanimate mushroom kinda nopes that.

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    • I vote Popeye, he has better haxes, WAY better regen, and is far more versatile... 

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    • Popeye for Redacted Flinn's reasons above.

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    • bump

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    • Popeye FRA.

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    • Popeye FRA, as well as experience

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    • Popeye fra

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    • EPS might be 4-A soon

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    • Popeye fra

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    • GyroNutz wrote:
      EPS might be 4-A soon

      Popeye still has regen and some handy abilities

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    • Popeye reached 7 a long time ago. This can be added.

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    • Shape shifting doesn't stop transmutation.

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    • It depends on how the transmutation and shapeshifting work. Whether the transmutation kills the person, leaves them asleep/unconscious, or keeps them conscious. It also depends on what exactly they are turned into, what they can shapeshift into, and if they need to think for it to happen. Popeye can turn into objects and back, and does not need to be conscious for it to work, so only really powerful forms of transmutation would work on him.

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    • Shape shifting still doesn't stop transmutation in this case since Popeye will be turned into something else he wasn't going to be.

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    • What does everyone else think? Anyone?

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    • What type of transmutation does EPS have? If it's Magic based, Popeye is extremely resistant to magic, and if it's a beam attack he could even punch it right back at her. If it's not, Popeye's shapeshifting is extremely good (He can turn into inorganic materials like rocks, bricks, puddles of goo, and a sub. As well as different animals/people.) and he does have some resistance to involuntary shapeshifting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIwUpvf2jXY) So EPS's transmutation definately helps, but I doubt it would be enough of an insta-win move to change the outcome much. I'm still rooting for the sailor...

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    • Grace is long since over, someone should add this matchup...

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    • It's shown as a bolt, I don't think it's magic based though.

      I'll add this to EPS' profile but you'll need to request it to be added to Popeye's.

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    • Ok

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    • GyroNutz

      If it's an energy bolt, couldn't Pops just sock it back at her? I mean, he's punched lightning bolts, laser beams, fire blasts, and other non-physical projectiles away before. It being magic it just icing on the cake...

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    • Touching it would turn him into a shroom. So while I'm sure he could interact with it, that would actually be bad for him to do.

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    • That...is true. For Popeye to punch it back, he has to physically touch it.

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    • After taking spinach, he is able to punch back transmutation based magic without being transformed by touching it. In Fistic Mystic, after taking spinach, he punched back a transmutation spell Bluto tried to use on him.

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    • GyroNutz (If it's not, Popeye's shapeshifting is extremely good (He can turn into inorganic materials like rocks, bricks, puddles of goo, and a sub. As well as different animals/people.) and he does have some resistance to involuntary shapeshifting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIwUpvf2jXY) So EPS's transmutation definately helps, but I doubt it would be enough of an insta-win move to change the outcome much.) I hate to repeat myself, but I think it might be necessary here.

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    • Your link doesn't have a timeframe, so I don't know when said feat happens.

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    • It starts at 14:25

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    • That's a very, very weak "resistance" to transmutation. It displays his face turning red and then into a beet, which looks more like a gag. But even ignoring that, it isn't on the same level as Shroobs. While he reverted his head back (with some difficulty), Elder Shroob transmutes your enire body. So I fail to see how he is going to bypass this.

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    • It also appears that he doesn't resist possession.

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    • DatOneWeeb 

      1. It being a "gag" is a lousy excuse. But ignoring that, let's put the pieces together: He can turn parts of his body, or his whole body into inanimate objects at will. He can forcibly change his body back if Transmutated. And if Shroobs bolt is Magical, then Popeye just laughs it off. Even if we assume that her attacks aren't magical, Popeye wouldn't be permanently defeated by her blasts, he could eventually change his body back.

      2. Elder Princess Shroob usually only resorts to possession once she's been killed and turned into a ghost. They never say she can do that whenever she wants in the game...

      3. Does EPS resist Popeye just socking her out of the cartoon into an empty void? Cause I have a sneaking feeling Pops would do that way before he gets Possessed/Transmuted. 

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    • 1. No, shape-shifting =/= resisting transmutation at all. Yes he's turned his own body into random objects, but that doesn't automatically give him the ability to revert any other types of transmutation, because the difference here is he's using his own ability to switch and switch back. Where as in this case, he gets forcefully turned into a different object. You can even see in that scene he struggles to do so. But even then, that was only his head, not his entire body.

      2. Which I never claimed, but if Popeye somehow kills her then possession is another way to win. 

      3. An issue I have about Popeye is his various effects when hitting someone. On one scene, when he punched people, they turned into coins. On another scene, people were punched away from the animation. Or sometimes his punches just don't have any effects and just harm the opponent. So which is it? Which effect will happen if Popeye punches her because this is quite inconsistent. Sometimes his punches make something happen. And sometimes they don't.

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    • 1. You do know that Bluto was squishing him AND Transmutating him at the same time, right? It wasn't like he just turned his head into a radish and walked away, he was attacking him and transmuting him at the same time. (P;S: it took him exactly 3 seconds to change back, so it isn't quite as weak a resistance as you're making it out to be.) I'll concede the consent argument about Shapeshifting, but I still don't think Transmutation would be enough to beat Popeye. EPS would probably turn him into a shroob and walk away, assuming he's dead. Giving him enough time to slowly pull himself back together. (I might be wrong about that senario, but that seems like the most logical outcome, given the lack of prior knowledge on either side.)

      2. "It also appears that he doesn't resist possession." That's all you said to me, and all I did was explain why that would be at best a last resort move for her. I wasn't implying you claimed anything...

      3. His punches have three main status effects: Deconstruction, Transmutation, and BFR. All three he can do in a single punch, use without spinach, and seem to be the most commonly used powers that he has. EPS has no resistance to any of these, so all Pops needs is one or two good hits and she's out. Plus he has a bunch of other powers such as Hypnosis, duplication, and invisibility... A vastly supeior healing factor, nigh infinite stamina, and the stuff I mentioned above to help him survive long enough to Saitama her...

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    • When I said his resistance to transmutation was weak, this was due to the fact only his head was affected. Meanwhile EPS's transmutation affects your entire body, these aren't comparable to each other.

      That still isn't consistent enough. As I said before, his punches' effects are extremely inconsistent on what they do. How do you know this effect will happen specifically, when during many moments this also hasn't happened. You can't cherrypick certain moments and say this exact moment will happen again when other moments of the same occasion hasn't happened.

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    • 1. Clearly you didn't read what I said, so i'm not going to argue that point again.

      2. I didn't cherrypick shit dude! Watch the cartoon, Deconstruction, Transmutation, and BFR are how Pops kills 2/3rds of his enemies. Plus he has hypnosis which is arguably even more of an insta-win move. Plus, I seriously doubt EPS is going to spam TRansmutation the second the match starts when she's never met, or knows anything about Popeye. it's on his profile, he uses those moves a ton in character, that's just how it is...

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    • Yes, I did. Bluto's transmutation involved only affecting his head and nothing else. EPS' transmutates your entire body into a mushroom. These are not comparable.

      This was cherrypicking. I just went and watched a few clips of Popeye eating spinach and anytime he puched, all that happened was his opponent was sent away. Show me this being consistent with his character. This is the same with hypnosis. Incorrect, as soon as Princess Shroob has control over herself, the first thing she did WAS spamming her transmutation beams at Bowser.

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    • And a lot of these links aren't correct to what you claim to be.

      BFR: Links 1, 2, 3, and 5 I won't really consider as real BFR. What we see here is simply Popeye sending his enemies flying away due to how hard he punches. You want to know the issue here? These are all characters that are weaker compared to Popeye. Here he's fighting a soon to be 4-A, so I heavily doubt this punch will send Shroob flying away due to being physically stronger. She's essentially a stone wall. Link 5 can be BFR, but it's inconsistent as I've said before and arguably has the same issue as before.

      Transmutation: Link 1 doesn't show transmutation, that's him fixing a car (not even changing the type of car) like a blanket and that's about it. Link 2 is fine. Link 3 is also fine albeit it took three punches. Link 4 can be transmutation, but this wasn't turning someone else into something nor was he using a punch. Link 5 was punching the guy out of his suit, no transmutation there. Link 6 works, but only during the first attack. Link 7 had him restructuring the cage into something else as commonly seen in other cartoons, but that isn't transmutation. Link 8/9 is fine. Link 10/11 only changed their armors, but the people inside it were fine. Link 12 only removed the dinosaurs skin, he still had his bones. Link 13/14 is fine. 

      Overall "BFR": 1/5 times was it used.

      Overall "Transmutation": 7/14 times waa it used. 

      This means in these vidoes with his punches, a total of 11 out of 19 times none of these affects actually took affect. This definitely proves it's inconsistent and we aren't even factoring that I watched a compilation of Popeye's punches doing almost nothing and probably tons of other episodes that don't as well. This still is cherrypicking.

      You see that would work here, but his profile explicitly states that this only doesn't work if it's magic based. You yourself even asked if her transmutation was magic based or not. EPS can easily just spam several beams at Popeye and transmutate him.

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    • 1. Most of what you said is just opinion, nitpickery and conjecture, BFR can mean anything from kicking someone to the moon, to summoning a portal under them, to trapping someone inside a comic book. Superman has BFR because he can launch people into space, Popeye can do that AND knock people out of the animation. Just because EPS is stronger than Popeye doesn't mean neither of these will affect her, I'd call that a No-Limits Fallacy. (Plus, BFR and Sealing are completely different powers, before you say anything...)

      2. Again with the "Durr... You're Cherrypicking." bullshit:

      "Show me this being consistent with his character." 

      You asked for that, I showed you multiple examples of this happening, killing people via transmutation is not OOC of Pops to do. His Spinach can even give other people this power. I don't care if you watched some random video and said "Welp, he doesn't use those powers every time he fights someone, he doesn't have it." That's just more opinion, nitpickery and conjecture. All cartoon characters you could argue are inconsistent, characters who use Toon Force have extremely variable powers and power levels. So if a character uses certain abilities/powers on a regular basis, it's considered a canon part of their arsenal. Popeye has the powers, he uses them in character, he uses them a lot when driven to kill, EPS isn't resistant to them, stop using this stupid argument.

      3. The burden of proof is on you buddy, either the transmutation beams don't work (And no, spamming them won't change the fact that they won't work. Bluto spammed the beams both times he used them on Popeye, and they still failed.) because of their Magical nature, or they instantly beat Popeye. That's been the crux of your argument since jump, so please provide some form of evidence.

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