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  • Kuroiha
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    01:21, February 13, 2019

    If the administrators manage to reconsider their positions and accept my advices, none of this drama would have to happen.

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    • Most of your advice goes against the rules and systems we have set in place. Our rules are hardly strict, and are within reasonable bounds most of the time.

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    • Kuroiha wrote:
      Most of your advice goes against the rules and systems we have set in place. Our rules are hardly strict, and are within reasonable bounds most of the time.

      On the contrary, I do follow rules, BUT, I don't follow the rules that I consider too extreme and unnecessary. Like I've said before, there has to be a balance between freedom and order, and that's what makes the Superpower Wiki really great. But instead of taking my word for it, this is what gives this wiki its downfall for being too orderly as well as focusing on both canon and non-canon sources, which makes this wiki unreliable. What's worse, is that the admins are giving users the audacity to fix that problem. That's actually the founder or the administrator's job, not ours. Instead, I just wish one of the admins would have to create a seperate wiki where all the non-canon source materials go to.

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    • We'd rather keep order, seeing as how so many sickening trolls have come to our wiki in the past to vandalize and severely destabilize it.

      Can you give me some examples of non-canon sources being used on a regular profile? Non-canon continuities and characters have seperate pages for them, as seen in Dragon Ball GT and Jotaro Kujo (Eyes of Heaven). Most, if not everything has to undergo a Content Revision Thread, where they are discussed and either accepted or rejected.

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    • Kuroiha wrote:
      We'd rather keep order, seeing as how so many sickening trolls have come to our wiki in the past to vandalize and severely destabilize it.

      Can you give me some examples of non-canon sources being used on a regular profile? Non-canon continuities and characters have seperate pages for them, as seen in Dragon Ball GT and Jotaro Kujo (Eyes of Heaven). Most, if not everything has to undergo a Content Revision Thread, where they are discussed and either accepted or rejected.

      I'm not telling this wiki not to have any order, I just want the order and freedom balanced so it will be more entertaining to use. A specific non-canon example includes the One-Above-All not being truly omnipotent, because that story where the OAA having a problem with the regulators just ignores whatever canon information that the One-Above-All has, specficically his powers.

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    • I'm no marvel expert, but TOAA being 1-A was was debunked. It was considered non-canon, as you said, and was given a seperate key as the "Above All Others".

      The One Above All is still hierarchically at the top of the Marvel franchise.

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    • Kuroiha wrote:
      I'm no marvel expert, but TOAA being 1-A was was debunked. It was considered non-canon, as you said, and was given a seperate key as the "Above All Others".

      The One Above All is still hierarchically at the top of the Marvel franchise.

      I'm not telling this wiki not to have any order, I just want the order and freedom balanced so it will be more entertaining to use. A speific non-canon example includes the One-Above-All not being truly omnipotent, because that story where the OAA having a problem with the regulators just ignores whatever canon information that the One-Above-All has, specificly his powers.

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    • Why did you just copy your previous comment?

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    • Kuroiha wrote:
      Why did you just copy your previous comment?

      What?

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    • Im sorry to butt in, but do you have any actual examples of used non canon information? Because to my knowledge, the wiki is extremly strict about it. Its true that the wiki features profiles of non canon continuities, but thats because users want them on the wiki and as long as they are clearly distinguishable i dont see the harm in having them. They are not used to scale to any main canon either, so a direct example would be nice

      And yes, i dont count the TOAA one as a example. TOAA isnt nerfed to 1A because of a feat. He just got a new key for a clearly different depiction of him. Should he have been its own profile? Probably, i dont care about Marvel much so i dont know. But accussing the wiki of being unreliable because of that single instance is stretching to say at least.

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    • First Witch wrote:
      Im sorry to butt in, but do you have any actual examples of used non canon information? Because to my knowledge, the wiki is extremly strict about it. Its true that the wiki features profiles of non canon continuities, but thats because users want them on the wiki and as long as they are clearly distinguishable i dont see the harm in having them. They are not used to scale to any main canon either, so a direct example would be nice

      And yes, i dont count the TOAA one as a example. TOAA isnt nerfed to 1A because of a feat. He just got a new key for a clearly different depiction of him. Should he have been its own profile? Probably, i dont care about Marvel much so i dont know. But accussing the wiki of being unreliable because of that single instance is stretching to say at least.

      I don't think so, because again, this wiki focuses on not only canon stuff, but also non-canon sources which in return, makes this wiki painfully unorganised. So it's best for the wiki as a whole to create a different variation to this wiki where all the non-canon stuff will be transferred over to, instead of being all crammed into one wiki.

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    • We already have two extra wikis. One for non-serious profiles and another for fan characters. We cannot start making massive revisions by going through all pages in the wiki and moving them elsewhere, for no practical gain whatsoever.

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    • This is getting ridiculous now. Youre basically accusing the wiki of being unreliable because it features non canon profile, despite them being clearly distinguished from canon ones by how they are titled. Canon ones arent even scaled to  non canon ones, youre literally demanding from us to delete them because... What reason again? Because they are non canon? Do you realize how entitlet that sounds?

      I first came into this conversation here, thinking that some of our staff members were unreasonable towards you. But you cant even provide any examples for your problem.

      And talking about how that will destroy the wiki in the future, thats what the vsb community decide in the end. They are the one who keep the site alive and floating in the first place. And the community wants non canon profiles as long as they are done within the rules of wiki. You dont even understand how site management works in the first place and you still try to make demands, hiding them under the "its for the site" agenda.

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    • First Witch wrote:
      This is getting ridiculous now. Youre basically accusing the wiki of being unreliable because it features non canon profile, despite them being clearly distinguished from canon ones by how they are titled. Canon ones arent even scaled to  non canon ones, youre literally demanding from us to delete them because... What reason again? Because they are non canon? Do you realize how entitlet that sounds?

      I first came into this conversation here, thinking that some of our staff members were unreasonable towards you. But you cant even provide any examples for your problem.

      And talking about how that will destroy the wiki in the future, thats what the vsb community decide in the end. They are the one who keep the site alive and floating in the first place. And the community wants non canon profiles as long as they are done within the rules of wiki. You dont even understand how site management works in the first place and you still try to make demands, hiding them under the "its for the site" agenda.

      If that's the case, well, the non-canon stuff is still not needed here, even if it doesn't count for the character scalings.

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    • It is probably best if you stop bothering us with ill-considered demands. They will not lead anywhere.

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    • Antvasima wrote:
      It is probably best if you stop bothering us with ill-considered demands. They will not lead anywhere.

      Look, all I want is for this wiki to do well, and the aforementioned practices that this wiki has is making this wiki less enjoyable to use.

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    • ChocolateElemental wrote:

      If that's the case, well, the non-canon stuff is still not needed here, even if it doesn't count for the character scalings.

      Says who? You? With what reason? Why are they not needed? Who are you to decide what is needed and what not? Why should we consider your unreasonable demands above the entire community?

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    • First Witch wrote:
      ChocolateElemental wrote:

      If that's the case, well, the non-canon stuff is still not needed here, even if it doesn't count for the character scalings.

      Says who? You? With what reason? Why are they not needed? Who are you to decide what is needed and what not? Why should we consider your unreasonable demands above the entire community?

      Think about this; if people happen to stumble across an article with both non-canon and canon information, a person will highly likely to acknowledge the non-canon info itself and possibly view it as canon. And that's the problem. Demanding is hardly the word I would use in this case, I'm just trying to help this wiki to become better and managable for anyone else, especially to become much more enjoyable, which is what the Superpower Wiki holds dear. While I wouldn't go as far as to say that the VS Battles Wiki is semi-incompetent, its simply misguided in terms of practices it tends to accomplish.

      So if I were in this wiki's shoes, I would balance out this wiki's order and freedom, disallow non-canon source material and make a separate wiki to transfer them over. Now... I wouldn't say I encourage it but you can ask the fans of this wiki to create a variation to this very wiki we are in, to transfer non-canon sources if the VS Battles wiki itself, wouldn't be fond of creating a seperate variation of this wiki all by themselves.

      It's basically common sense not to make a wiki comprised with both non-canon and canon source materials, since it makes this wiki appear to be not only unreliable, but also uncategorized. In accordance to one of your questions, I am someone who is passionate about wikipedias, especially when editing them online to add more information for other people to enjoy, but there will always be some person who wants to take away all the balance in order and freedom and make it overstrict, which is something I fear of and absolutely despise. I understand that there exists some trolls that happens to ruin everything once in a while, while there's always another option rather than taking extreme risks, such as using the banning system or blocking system, whichever name is more efficient for that system really. But there's really no need to kill off balance of both freedom and order. And that in the long run, is the exact kind of code of a good yet true administrator.

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    • As we have repeatedly stated before, different types of wikis have to be managed in different ways, and we are not going to accept your suggestions, no matter how much you repeat yourself. You are wasting your time. Sorry.

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    • Antvasima wrote:
      As we have repeatedly stated before, different types of wikis have to be managed in different ways, and we are not going to accept your suggestions, no matter how much you repeat yourself. You are wasting your time. Sorry.

      I'm not trying to repeat myself, not even of purpose either.

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    • Alright, at this point i think youre just delusional.

      "Think about this; if people happen to stumble across an article with both non-canon and canon information, a person will highly likely to acknowledge the non-canon info itself and possibly view it as canon. And that's the problem."

      This is our Son Goku page. Do you perhaps see something? Son Gokus information is divided into different canon sections. Gokus Dragon Ball Z page does not scale to his Xeno Page or any other of his pages sans canon contiunuums at all, no non canon information is used to give DBZ Goku his stats. Youre literally talking shit right now. And the second sentence, are you actually believing that the average viewer of VSB is too stupid to read? 

      " Demanding is hardly the word I would use in this case, I'm just trying to help this wiki to become better and managable for anyone else, especially to become much more enjoyable, which is what the Superpower Wiki holds dear. While I wouldn't go as far as to say that the VS Battles Wiki is semi-incompetent, its simply misguided in terms of practices it tends to accomplish."

      You can stop comparing to differently working wikis. Super Power Wikis entire theme is to be a site where user can share their own super powers ideas. There is no right and wrong in such a thematic. We here are trying to objectivy character stats to the best of our abilities. And drop your entitlement.  What you find enjoyable and what the entire community here find enjoyable are glaringly different, considering that only you think that way. I for example dont see anyone supporting your views. The fact that you have the gall to call this place misguided, despite your glaring lack of understanding of how this wiki work in the first place, is ironic to say at least.

      "So if I were in this wiki's shoes, I would balance out this wiki's order and freedom, disallow non-canon source material and make a separate wiki to transfer them over. Now... I wouldn't say I encourage it but you can ask the fans of this wiki to create a variation to this very wiki we are in, to transfer non-canon sources if the VS Battles wiki itself, wouldn't be fond of creating a seperate variation of this wiki all by themselves."

      If you were in this wiki's shoes you would have thrown out a good chunk of our community because of the terrible and unreasonable ban of non canon material. Something that you still failed to explain why. And your sorry excuse to paint the average visitor of our site as too inept to read wont fly.

      Your very idea is utopic to say at least. Do you actually understand how much work wiki management is? Especially such a big one as this? Who has fans and haters alike? Do you know how long VSB needed to establish some semblence of traction in the internet?

      "It's basically common sense not to make a wiki comprised with both non-canon and canon source materials, since it makes this wiki appear to be not only unreliable, but also uncategorized."

      https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_GT , https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Movies 

      What are you even talking at this point...

      "In accordance to one of your questions, I am someone who is passionate about wikipedias, especially when editing them online to add more information for other people to enjoy, but there will always be some person who wants to take away all the balance in order and freedom and make it overstrict, which is something I fear of and absolutely despise. I understand that there exists some trolls that happens to ruin everything once in a while, while there's always another option rather than taking extreme risks, such as using the banning system or blocking system, whichever name is more efficient for that system really. But there's really no need to kill off balance of both freedom and order. And that in the long run, is the exact kind of code of a good yet true administrator."

      No one is banning "freedom" here, only you believe that. Is it because Super Powers Wikia again? Because this site dosnt allow their links? You know why? Because its unprofessional. This sites boast over 18.000 pages, self written by our members and community. You may find something hardcopied under them, but you cant stop a single criminal in a city full of normal people, so its basically nonexistent. Linking to another wikia is basically "Im too lazy to write it on my own" or "the mods are too lazy to write said power down somewhere, so im gonna be lazy too and just link it to another wikia". And this wiki came far enough, relying on itself and its community. No one but you seem to have problems with that.

      Im sorry that i am so blunt here, but im not seeing someone who genuinly tries to help the wiki, im seeing a child throwing a tantrum because it dosnt like how things are done here. Everything you brought up was either false, utopic or just straight up delusional. You didnt bring any reasons as to why we should even consider your ludicrous advices. Youre creating imaginary problems that you cant even give examples of it.

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    • And sorry Kuroiha for cluttering your message wall.

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    • The Superpower Wiki, ISN'T, a wiki for power ideas, its used for already existing ones. You just don't see for what the Superpower Wiki is because you don't even know it. I'm not the one being rude here, yet you took my opinions as insults and decided to retaliate.

      I add Superpower Wiki links onto here is not fucking lazy and unprofessional, its because its faster. Besides, because we already have a Superpower Wiki in existence, this wiki doesn't need to have any superpower articles. Moreover, you even think adding Superpower Wiki article links is a bad thing that affects this wiki's quality, when it reality, it doesn't. Whoever enforced this is just simply too protective of this wiki.

      Heck, the Son Goku article has no indication of what is non-canon and what's not. In addition, I'm not a child nor a teenager, I'm an adult.

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    • Let's all take a few steps back and calm down here please. There is no need for either of you to get upset or rude to each other.

      The higher staff members simply have long experience regarding what works for this wiki, and won't change our structure based on your suggestions. That is all. It is not such a big deal.

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    • Whatever then. If he wants to continue this he can go to my wall. Im out.

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    • Look, you've already been explained to why we don't link superpower wiki links. We have different views on some abilities and as such it makes way more sense to link to our own.

      Goku's thing literally has at the top different keys for his canon and non canon iterations.

      As for your thing above that the admins should make every revision, why would you ever want that? Why would you want regular users to have less power to make changes? Like, I wasn't a discussion mod until like 2 or so months ago, would I have just been fucked if I wanted to make changes to a file before that because only admins should be correcting things?

      You've spent more time complaining about being told not to link other wikis and that we don't consider anyone omnipotent than actually using the wiki. This stuff is supposed to be for enjoyment, I don't think constantly doing stuff like this is a great use of your time.

      Kuroiha you can close this if you want. It is your wall after all.

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    • Wokistan wrote:
      Look, you've already been explained to why we don't link superpower wiki links. We have different views on some abilities and as such it makes way more sense to link to our own.

      Goku's thing literally has at the top different keys for his canon and non canon iterations.

      As for your thing above that the admins should make every revision, why would you ever want that? Why would you want regular users to have less power to make changes? Like, I wasn't a discussion mod until like 2 or so months ago, would I have just been fucked if I wanted to make changes to a file before that because only admins should be correcting things?

      You've spent more time complaining about being told not to link other wikis and that we don't consider anyone omnipotent than actually using the wiki. This stuff is supposed to be for enjoyment, I don't think constantly doing stuff like this is a great use of your time.

      Kuroiha you can close this if you want. It is your wall after all.

      If you want to ban me from this wiki, the ban system is right there. But at the end of the day, my opinions are still not changing and it doesn't change the fact that this wiki still needs to be revised a bit, and it still needs to be balanced in terms of freedom and order.

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    • Discussion mods can't even ban people. You don't have to change your opinion, but I feel like you'd enjoy your stay a lot more if you actually participated instead of doing nothing but complain.

      Nobody but you seems to have an issue with using our own powers. Canonicity issues are usually resolved rather easily when someone has proof. You wouldn't even be able to enact change if only staff could make CRTs.

      Like, you've literally only been stopped from calling people omnipotent and linking to offsite powers, nothing else. I don't see how that's nearly as oppressive as you're making it out to be.

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    • I agree with the others.

      This topic has gotten out of hand. Any furthur arguments will be ignored by me; I will close this now.

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