Being out of character for him to do something doesn't make it a stomp when he doesn't use them. See almost every Medaka match were she isn't bloodlusted. Organ steeling just takes a handswipe, and if he uses zero sign which is instant then it can buy enough time for him to use it. He wouldn't do it in character tho
No, that's not how it works. things are stomps if one side lacks any win conditions. Ban does have a win condition. Zero Sign + Rob her of her heart. Will he go for it? Not before she goes for her win conditions. Its conclusively in favour of her, but it is not a stomp.
He does have a victory senario. He goes for zero sign and rips out her heart. He pulled it against one of the 10 commandments. Its not a stomp, its just conclusively in favour of Momo. That is a senario, its very unlikely, but he can
It doesn't matter how unlikely it is. As long as he has a win condition that is in his means of control, it isn't a stomp. 1% or less is totally irrelevant.
If 2 dudes get into a fight, and one dude is much stronger than the other, but the weaker one has a gun, but he never pulls it despite his chance to pull it at the beginning during the time they were fighting, so the stronger guy wins with a few punches, was that a stomp? No, of course not. If Ban doesn't want to pull out his gun while he loses, that doesn't mean the fight was a stomp
None of what you just said makes it a stomp. Percentages have nothing to do with it, like at all. Even with Ban having that low of a chance, it still is a win condition so it isn't a stomp. Let me make this clear: Percentages have Nothing to Do with It.
First off, in the scenarios you brought up Ban has a 0.5% chance. Not as low as you make it sound
Second, if he has a win condition then he has a win condition, even if it is stupidly low, it still isn't a stomp. Put it like this, if we bloodlusted him, he would have a 50% chance of winning. If bloodlusting the other fighter raises their odds then it wasn't a stomp to begin with
I'm REALLY tired of the "OoC moves = stomp". I'll say the same as always: go delete every Saitama's match where he doesn't start punching instead of just watching his opponent while he gets haxwhooped.
Calaca Vs wrote: I'm REALLY tired of the "OoC moves = stomp". I'll say the same as always: go delete every Saitama's match where he doesn't start punching instead of just watching his opponent while he gets haxwhooped.
No, because the chance is for possible outcomes. Him going for it isn't even that low of a chance since he does sometimes do it in character. If you bloodlust him and he suddenly has a far higher chance of winning, then it wasn't a stomp to begin with. If it isn't a stomp out of character, then it isn't a stomp in character, and vice versa.
Only exception to this would be characters who's ability are directly effect by state of mind or intent, such as Mogura Kugurugi. Got it?
What the fuck are you talking about? His chances jump to 50/50 if bloodlusted. They both go for their instant abilities. With him bloodlusted it becomes a coin flip. That's as far from a stomp as you can get. When he was serious against that one commandment he went straight for Stealth Organ Snatch
I feel like we are talking about different Mogura. Click on the profile I linked. I was saying that bloodlust would actually decrease any chance you had against her
It means "he will go for the quickest kill possible" which is Heart Steal. He does do that in-character when he's serious. Isn't something as low as you think. Even 10% is arguably lower than in reality.
That is a lie. I have told you over and over. Just being miss informed doesn't cut it any more. He pulled it out against one of the commandments as his opening. If he goes for the wrong choice then rip him, but he has a win condition so it isnt a stomp
Iapitus The Impaler wrote: That is a lie. I have told you over and over. Just being miss informed doesn't cut it any more. He pulled it out against one of the commandments as his opening. If he goes for the wrong choice then rip him, but he has a win condition so it isnt a stomp
He pulled it
1 out of 10 times
against an opponent he knew could have easilly hax him to death
also if you think that he would have better chances with bloodlust nn, then why don't you just bloodlust him ?
Simple, bloodlusting him makes it less thematic. Also we would just have another inconclusive quick draw which has been seen a million times. Momo's thing is taking out immortals who have become confident due to their immortality or broken abilities. Figured why not run her specialized move set against some foes outside her verse
Again, if he makes the wrong choice for what he goes for then it's his funeral.
She isn't just an immortal slayer. She is essentially an answer to every immortal who becomes too confident over their abilities. She takes out people who have broken powers, and immortality, and because of that feel no consequence. That is what Ban is. People like Ajimu, Hanten, Kumagawa, Shiranui, and Medaka are all people who could probably destroy her if went for their win condition. But they don't, and that is why she wins
She doesn't stomp them. That's the point. Ajimu borderline infinite ways to kill her. Hanten can create any number of ways to end her. Kumagawa has All Fiction, and other ways to win, but because he knew her he was relaxed. Medaka has 20+ ways to take her out but does not go for them. Etc. Etc.
He has just as much a chance of winning as she does if he took it seriously. He is too confident, and only takes it seriously once he knows his opponent can take him own, like almost anyone would be. But he doesn't take it seriously, and thus damns himself. Part of what she does is abuse people's character
I made it as to be thematic. He may be the archetype she is meant to destroy, but I plan to see how she fairs as she moves of the chain.
No more spiteful then using Sans for what he was made, which is taking out higher tier characters with hax and speed. I have used Momo exactly as she was meant for. Using her against someone like Oudo who could wipe her mind with a thought and bring her to her knees misses the point of what she was made
He doesn't have to say it, just like he doesn't have to say any of the other abilities name to use them. He chooses to in the anime, but in the manga the name is only displayed after he already used it and he is silent. Standard shonen fair.
The situation that he has used it in, is exactly the kind of person Momo is. Minus the bistandsers. In the manga he favours silent casting for Zero sign. Were he either bloodlusted or given intel, he would go for exactly this. Thus, a 50/50 chance, and not a stomp
Yes, which would be the same for Momo, and therefore fair
It likely would, all stealth aside, it may also cut down on receptability. She either would not or not be able to use her style of she could not percieve her target.
What you call fair does not matter, but it is not a stomp. The only thing making it unfair is Ban's character
I could see a poison knife being a stomp simply due to Bruce essentially having the perfect moves to hard counter it. However, that is a false equivalence. A more apt comparison would be Bruce Lee vs A Man with a Gun that simply doesn't know who Bruce Lee is and is over confident so he would rely on his martial arts, not knowing that the gun is his only real way to win
Iapitus The Impaler wrote: The situation that he has used it in, is exactly the kind of person Momo is. Minus the bistandsers. In the manga he favours silent casting for Zero sign. Were he either bloodlusted or given intel, he would go for exactly this. Thus, a 50/50 chance, and not a stomp
except Ban doesn't have neither intel or bloodlust here
You know how Medaka gets with word play, so I would like to find an english version before I draw any conclusions. I am tied up with a bunch of other projects right now, but if you find an english version lmk
He has win conditions. Him not using them immediately in character does not negate that fact. Therefore it is not a stomp.
That's how stomps work. If he took this fight seriously, it would be 50/50. It is not a stomp. The probability of him. Do both sides have win conditions that are within their domain of control? Yes. So it isn't a stomp. Him not choosing them does not negate that they are viable win conditions. The probability that he would choose them is irrelevent. Nothing else matters towards it being a stomp.
You take the personality into account, but not when determining win conditions. Also, that is a lie again. He does start when he takes the target seriously. We have been over this.
It does not matter what you think is stupid, because that is policy. Get over it. Go start a thread and get all the Admins to agree to change the entire policy of the wiki and gets VS matches removed from hundreds of thousands of profiles. Until then, he has win conditions that we won't use without intel. Link me the thread when it gets made. Until you get policy changed, this ain't a stomp
I am trying to be civil. But he isn't getting it. I have corrected him over and over that it is in character when he takes the target seriously, but he doesn't seem to register. It has reached the point of lying. I'm getting a fucking migraine from this
I saw this on the stomp thread so I just wanted to comment on it here without derailing it.
" It isn't out of character. When he took his opponent seriously, he used it right from the start, ringed her neck, and pulled out her hearts. "
Since this is talking about Melascula, he did this to kill her when her and the rest of the ten commandments were beating one of his best friends to death. He wouldn't use it on what looks like a normal human girl.
as for the claim that momo need the name of her victims to seal , it is indeed in the bonus pages of the volume 18. unfortunatly i have only a physical copy and in french so no scan to provide.
but first it is shori wanikuza doing some kind of detective work and submiting her result so not 100% accurate and even in the text she say that she just heard that momo would need the name as to imply it's just a rumor.
the events in the manga clearly show that she doesn't need to tho.
and I disagree with the consensus? is that okay with you? just because Ban can one shot her doesn't mean he won't lose 100/100 matches with her. If this was SBA 4km away from each other in central park I might say 99/100 but in a tavern with full knowledge of each others presence and in sight it's 100/100
I won't argue this point any further as clearly it's been accepted otherwise.