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  • hey, issa me, lorenzo lol (shit. almost spelled my own name wrong). anyhow, ive been wanting to ask u about something. its about rots anakin and dooku, as well as rotj luke and vader. now, u might need to help me on this, im sorry to say lol, as u know more about legends and canon stuff than i do. what i wanted to ask, first off, is why do we not mention or go over the fact that dooku was told by sidious to hold back against anakin in their final duel? because of that, he was overwhelmed very quickly and to a point of no return. this would also be coherent to the fact that he (semi) one shotted kenobi, whom he did not hold back against. this would also explain how kenobi could slightly evenly fight anakin in the end (in canon, he was losing ever so slightly), which would make serious dooku stronger than both, which would make sense, as he could even contend with yoda for 5 seconds. what i wanted to ask was- is the statement above legends or canon? the rest is all canon, but i wanted to know about the statement. would it affect the legends or canon dooku?



    as for luke and vader- a lot of stuff says that vader was actually going all out, and that he was actually losing a fair fight agaisnt luke. now, we dont really mention the fact he was enraged when he actually did beat vader, and that vader had also been stated to not want luke dead, as well as the fact that he conflicted. the second sentence here would make a good difference to luke's tier, but yet again, i do not know which statements are canon, and which are legends. could u help me?

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    • ill get back to you soon on this

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    • Thanks my dude

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    • Havent forgotten about this, dont worry

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    • Thanks. Um, BTW, I just noticed we have a somewhat faulty scaling for this verse, BTW, (not out fault, but in the verse itself)

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    • what scaling?

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    • Its slightly long to explain, and I dont have a computer on, so I'll elaborate on what I think after I get ahold of one lol

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    • Ok cool no problem

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    • ok, i got one now lol like i said, im not master of the verse, so i had to look stuff up to get the info i needed, meaning that while i know some stuff, i dont know all of it. imma start with luke and gethzerion. i have done some research on this, and from what i gather, luke says she is comparable to father if he was serious and going for the kill, which is weird, since this luke is much stronger than before, (i dont know much stronger, nor do i know how much time has passed, hence why i decided to talk to u), and has already fought revived sidious, i think. she gives him some trouble, but from what i have heard, she was not only amped by a nexus, while luke was weakened by that some nexus ie it makes sense only by the fact that he may have been weakened by that nexus, nor did he seem super serious, which should in turn make her, without the nexus, weaker than vader. i would like u to tell me if there's something i got wrong, btw. next point is caedus (pretty controversial from what i have seen lol). we have him really high in the verse by the simple fact that he fought and hurt luke, which does not justify his tier at all, since luke completely fodderizes him (100%, no chance on caedus' side for competing) in the force, which simply means that he cannot be a god tier in the verse just cuz he got a good stab here and there (the resistance regarding light sabers has been really weird as well). luke used a hand movement to pin him down, and caedus with al his might couldnt move even a finger. i have a few more things, but ill try to take up too much of ur time

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    • Caedus stuff I suggest asking Matt, Legacy era of Legends is my least favorite and the timeline im the least knowledgeable at .

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    • will do. thanks

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    • as for gethzerion it mostly comes down to Sidious fearing her which would imply comparable power and she damaged Luke who is Obviously way more powerful at this point, (although he was Kinda Nerfed) we dont know by how much and the Sidious statement seems to be far more consistent with her feats than Luke's

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    • yeah, i saw that too. it should be consistant tho. luke was nerfed, she had a huge amp, making her a threat, etc (ps sidious has called a lot of things threats, such as maul and savage, vader himself, and even some other jedi, even though none of them are close to him, at all, which makes me wana say "no, we shoudnt scale her off of that, but we should scale her off of vader". see what i mean?)

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    • ehh there's a difference between being uneasy to confront something and the one being a Potential future Threat.

      most of Maul and Vader stuff is entirely Potential oppose to fearing to outright confront them.

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    • oh, so he was uneasy, ok ok lol 

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    • he literally confronts all his other threats in some way or form but not her

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    • do u know whuch luke was the one that fought her, btw? i dont have an actual age for him. do u know

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    • Like he literally keeps her on a planet to avoid fighting her

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    • It's about 4 years after Return of the Jedi

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    • so 2 years before Dark Empire Luke

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    • so before dark empire? doesnt sidious say that luke in dark empire is equal to vader? so yeah, she is comparable to vader after all. this is what i was talking about regarding weird scaling lol

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    • Dark Empire Luke is 4-B

      The Vader line is massively contradicted by feats and this was published before the prequels, making the line dubious at best

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    • yeah, i know. hence why i think the scaling is kinda faulty, in universe. sidious thinks gethzerion is big trouble, but luke beats her (while comparing her to vader), making him even possibly stronger than pre revived sidious (which is not the case, just yet), then we meet revived sidious who says that a luke even stronger than the one that fought gethzerion is just below vader, which makes sidious> vader> luke> gethzerion= sidious> vader> luke> gethzerion= sidious> vader etc lol

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    • Yes, I know which is why the using the Vader Line doesn't work and why it's disregarded, Luke beating Geth just implies that version of Luke is likely comparable to Pre revived Sidious.

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    • But he isn't. We know he never fought q full on Vader if we go by a bunch of statements, and only4 years would not make him equal to sidious. He beat Vader out of circumstance TBH. I looked heavily into it BTW. I know the quantity of statements that say they were even, but there about just as many that say that Vader was holding back. Quite a few by Luke and sidious themselves

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    • Luke went from being a nobody to fighting Vader in 4 years

      Luke went from being a planet buster to a Solar system buster in 6 years

      so yes he can via feats.

      'only 4 years would' not make him equal to Sidious

      yeah, it did.

      not sure why Vader vs Luke is relevant when we already stated that the comment made about Luke reaching Vader is Inconsistent, because it would imply that Vader is 4-B which is contradicted by so many things that it would end up being an Outlier.

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    • its really not, after i tell my side of it anyhow lol, but ill try to answer more tomorrow. as per now, the only inconsistencies is that we have vader below windu for some reason (completly unexplained tbh), even tho we have vader being compared to geth, stronger than that one guy that mace fought (il bring up names in awhile, i just forgot this one in particualr), and about just as many statement saying that vader went mega easy on luke as statement that say that they were equals. i found this guy who tried 'debunking' the fight, and tbh, he did a really good job lol i read what he said, and for one, the fight (in most cases at least, since there is at least more than 3 different representations of it) was almost solely a lightsaber fight, which luke did so well against because he not only had a unique style made by obi wan to fight vader, he also studied vader and copied his own style. if we add in the fact that sidious was a nexus, and that luke was enraged, thats two other advantages right there, while vader waas fighting with his concious as well, on the inside. ill answer tomorrow only btw lol sorry

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    • Mace Should not even be 4-B, it's something i brought up before and it creates alot of scaling problems but it was rejected

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    • Shadowbokunohero wrote: Mace Should not even be 4-B, it's something i brought up before and it creates alot of scaling problems but it was rejected

      I agree. He should not lol

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