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  • They have all there best gear/equipment 

    SBA applies. 

    Speed not equalized since I don’t think it’s needed.

    Sole Survivor:

    The Courier: 2

    Inconclusive:

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    • I’m going to vote inconclusive for now. The Sole Survivor has more experience and better guns due to weapon bench upgrades and his military background, but the Couirer has better stealth options due to the stealth suit he got at big mountain. He’s far smarter due to out smarting the Think Tank, and is a better speaker due to talking down Legate. Plus he managed to survive the divide which is a lot better than anything the Sole Survivor has ever done.

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    • well courior 6 has beaten things that should be out of the sole survivers paygrade like the rhao in the devide the giant robo scorpion and the entirety of the divide 

      plus he has more weaponry some of which if far supirior to anything in F4 and is faster then sole survivor by far so my vote gose for 6

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    • I completely forgot about the gaint robo scorpion. I guess while the Sole Survivor was in a war, the Courier post apocalypse experience is better and things like the divide would shred almost anyone else who entered. I’ll switch my vote to the Courier due to his intelligence, stealth, and experience with far stranger and more dangerous things like the super death claw in blue mountain and the mutant death claw in the divide, along with making it through the divide itself.

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    • To be fair to the some suvivor he does deal with mythic and chamelion death claws.

      Also what does the Courior have that’s better then the sole survivor?

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    • He has the stealth suit along with a few other weapons from the blue mountain, but other than that I would say the Sole Survivor has better weapons. The chameleon death claw is no where close to rawr, but it’s mainly the divide and the other dlc’s themselves that are more insane and difficult than fallout 4’s stuff. The divide was stated to be an absolute death trap to entire squads of soldiers (you even find the bodies of a heavily prepared squad that got slaughtered), yet the Courier made it through with only an eye bot (and the eye bot mostly just opened doors the whole time).

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    • Jesterofgames wrote:
      To be fair to the some suvivor he does deal with mythic and chamelion death claws.

      Also what does the Courior have that’s better then the sole survivor?

      he has the red glare which is basicly a repid speed rocket launcher 

      he also has the esther fat man which is a heavly modifed fat man with a shild(not to mention a multitude of special nukes for it)

      the light that shines in the darkness a handgun that can shred death claws in a few shots

      the gobby sniper which has a high crit chance and 3x the crit dmg(one of the most powerful weapons in the game) 

      elijhas improve murv which is a better murv laser rifel that dose insane dmg

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    • Keeweed wrote:
      He has the stealth suit along with a few other weapons from the blue mountain, but other than that I would say the Sole Survivor has better weapons. The chameleon death claw is no where close to rawr, but it’s mainly the divide and the other dlc’s themselves that are more insane and difficult than fallout 4’s stuff. The divide was stated to be an absolute death trap to entire squads of soldiers (you even find the bodies of a heavily prepared squad that got slaughtered), yet the Courier made it through with only an eye bot (and the eye bot mostly just opened doors the whole time).

      not to mention that 6s combat speed even without V.A.T.S is transonic while the sole surviver is only super human

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    • I think Sole survivor’s combat speed was suppose to be upped to transonic. It just never got done.

      Though wouldn’t The courier’s anti material rifle beat most sniper’s the Sole survivor has?.

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    • Since the Sole Survivor for some reason doesn’t have an anti material rifle, yeah that and few special snipers would be better than most snipers the Sole Survivor can get.

      Also yes, his speed should probably be upgraded. (A few death claws were also supposed to be upgraded to 8-B (I think), but that doesn’t really matter right now)

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    • Jesterofgames wrote:
      I think Sole survivor’s combat speed was suppose to be upped to transonic. It just never got done.

      Though wouldn’t The courier’s anti material rifle beat most sniper’s the Sole survivor has?.

      it would

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    • I mean, I’m not the op, but I’ve have always wanted this match, so bump

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    • well dose the sole surviver actually have any transonic feats cuse you know 6 can run at 1/2 of the speed of a sound wave  but what feats dose the sole surviver have that put him on that scale

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    • He fight’s similer enemies to the courier said enemies ues sound based attacks.

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    • oh right the murlork king

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    • i`d say the sole survivor due to the BFG and cryolator

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    • I'm gonna vote Courier 6 for the rather insane shit he faced in the Divide. Those tunnelers can literally tear Deathclaws apart in seconds.

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    • The Deathclaw we see die to a Tunneler was a fodder one compared to the ones outside, and they are much easier to take down. In fact the Courier can oneshot him no matter what.

      Also, why do people say the Anti-Materiel Rifle would be a huge difference? It's not that good of a weapon tbh.

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    • Super Ascended Sean Pazdera wrote:
      The Deathclaw we see die to a Tunneler was a fodder one compared to the ones outside, and they are much easier to take down. In fact the Courier can oneshot him no matter what.

      cinimatic reason my guy there would be no reason for that deathclaw to be any weaker in world lore then the once outside

      Also, why do people say the Anti-Materiel Rifle would be a huge difference? It's not that good of a weapon tbh.

      well i myself don't think that the anti mater rfile would be the difference maker here but it is versitile enough to couse some real issue for sole surviver with its armor piereing rounds which can punch streight through power armor, explosive round which would cause seriuse damage to sole suriver as well as many other types of ammo that have their own effects, this gun is quite versitle and would cause quite a bit of issue. 

      but the real difference makers here are the euclid's c-finder, red glare and ester 

      each one of these guns could lead to sole survivers untimely demise if use in the right moment 

      euclid's c-finder is self explenetory its an orbital strike with a huge area of effect that deals more damage then a mini nuke if the courier manages to hit sole surivor with it its game over for him 

      red glare its a rapid fire missle launcher which can dish out incormause amounts of damage in a short span of time to put it in simple word its a roket minigun which would give the courier a quick way to rain hell down of the sole surviver 

      ester is a modifed fat man that increases the physical defence of the courier to an extent where he can withstand  being near  a mini nuke blast when it gose off, plus its a fat man with higher damage and if we include the veriuse versions of the mini nuke ammo we get in new vegas it make the advantages of ester even greater then before 

      so to put it simply the courier has the versitility edge when it comes to extremely powerful weaponry 

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    • ^ This is why.

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    • so what about the bfg this weapon can easily destroy courrier six being multiy city block level and can tear through the courrier no problem

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    • Isn't it noncannon creation club content? We don't count that on the sole survivors profile

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    • Everyone is die wrote:
      so what about the bfg this weapon can easily destroy courrier six being multiy city block level and can tear through the courrier no problem

      not canon if it was well it would be in his profile 

      also multi city block level? Since when?

      the best calc we have of it would put it at best puts it at 48 tons or less then half the requirements for multi city block level

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    • I think he's thinking of Doomslayer's AP rating. That's for his physical strength which far exceeds all of his weapons.

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    • it said all there best weapons and gear i assumed that the creation club content would be included

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    • The Courier FRA

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    • Are Legendary Weapons included for the Sole Survivor?

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    • The Mailman FRA

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    • Jesus Christ Ulysses's page is outdated

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    • Super Ascended Sean Pazdera wrote: Are Legendary Weapons included for the Sole Survivor?

      Yes

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    • Jesterofgames wrote:

      Super Ascended Sean Pazdera wrote: Are Legendary Weapons included for the Sole Survivor?

      Yes

      then i vote sole survivor fra

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    • GG Kneecapper Minigun too OP

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    • With two broken legs it might disable courrier six for a bit

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    • Also we have to consider that the Sole Survivor has a LOT more Perks, so even if the Courier DID have better weapons, they would do a lot less to the Sole Survivor than his weapons would do to the Courier.

      Also his higher Power Armors would leave the Sole Survivor untouchable.

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    • TheSuper Ascended Sean Pazdera wrote:
      Also we have to consider that the Sole Survivor has a LOT more Perks, so even if the Courier DID have better weapons, they would do a lot less to the Sole Survivor than his weapons would do to the Courier.

      Also his higher Power Armors would leave the Sole Survivor untouchable.

      honestly nates just more viersital with the jet pack attachment for the power armor

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    • The Courier has much better social influencing so he could just tell the SS to leave. Also even without that he has the stealth suit from big mountain so the SS can’t even find them, is vastly smarter as he could out smart the entire think tank, has more experience post wasteland as he survived the divide and his other dlcs which were much more dangerous than fallout 4’s. Plus you’re ignoring the courier’s special weapons like the orbital canon which would one shot.

      Finally the courier has his implants that increased his regeneration and prescriptions along with other attributes. The courier also has much better ranged options due to his snipers generally doing more damage, having slightly farther range, and different ammunition he can load into it.

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    • Except the Think Tank was literally full of sociopaths that insisted they were always right, for the most part, and if anything were only book smart and had little common sense. And he helped them with things they couldn't do more than outsmart them. 

      The Lonesome Road is often wanked as to how deadly it is. The worst the Courier had to deal with was the later Deathclaws, and all he had to do was get to the other side, rather than actually live in the place, which is what most of the deadly statements refer to.

      The Euclid's C-Finder takes a full 5 seconds to fire the laser, which the Sole Survivor could escape from in time even if he had both his legs crippled. 

      The Sole Survivor isn't exactly known for his Sniper Rifles.

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    • Super Ascended Sean Pazdera wrote:
      Except the Think Tank was literally full of sociopaths that insisted they were always right, for the most part, and if anything were only book smart and had little common sense. And he helped them with things they couldn't do more than outsmart them. 

      The Lonesome Road is often wanked as to how deadly it is. The worst the Courier had to deal with was the later Deathclaws, and all he had to do was get to the other side, rather than actually live in the place, which is what most of the deadly statements refer to.

      The Euclid's C-Finder takes a full 5 seconds to fire the laser, which the Sole Survivor could escape from in time even if he had both his legs crippled. 

      The Sole Survivor isn't exactly known for his Sniper Rifles.

      Agreed not to mention ash maker the fire will either A scar him heavily inparing him or B distract him  making him miss both of his shots with C-finder

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    • How far is the range on the ash maker because the C-finder’s range his dozens of meters at least. Also he is know for the gobi sniper rifle ,anti material rifle, and the other special rifles in new Vegas, but those two are the most notable ones.

      The Think tank being psychotic had nothing to do with anything, sometimes it made it a bit harder to trick them, not easier. You also outsmarted your own brain when it was dumped in a vat full of intelligence increasing drugs while the Sole Survivor hasn’t outsmarted anyone nearly as smart.

      The Courier also still has the social influencing to convince the Sole Survivor to leave due to the Terrifying Presence perk and being able to convince Caesar’s right hand man to walk away (that was the same guy that crushed someone head in with his bare hands for kicks).

      It’s not just the lonesome rode. It’s also dead money, honest hearts, and the think tank that all combine together to be vastly more dangerous than anything the Sole Survivor has been through. Has the Sole Survivor had to go through a bank heist while every room can blow his head off, with radiation everywhere, while also keeping three other people alive, and then have to kill those people without exploding because if they died the Courier died too.

      The C-Finder is not the Courier’s only one shot option. Esther can also one shot and the red glare kills the Sole Survivor extremely quickly. And while the Sole Survivor has some pretty good weapons he first would have to find the courier since one of the only armors he used in canon was the stealth suit. So the chances of the Courier starting almost invisible are really high

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    • Keeweed wrote:
      How far is the range on the ash maker because the C-finder’s range his dozens of meters at least. Also he is know for the gobi sniper rifle ,anti material rifle, and the other special rifles in new Vegas, but those two are the most notable ones.

      The Think tank being psychotic had nothing to do with anything, sometimes it made it a bit harder to trick them, not easier. You also outsmarted your own brain when it was dumped in a vat full of intelligence increasing drugs while the Sole Survivor hasn’t outsmarted anyone nearly as smart.

      The Courier also still has the social influencing to convince the Sole Survivor to leave due to the Terrifying Presence perk and being able to convince Caesar’s right hand man to walk away (that was the same guy that crushed someone head in with his bare hands for kicks).

      It’s not just the lonesome rode. It’s also dead money, honest hearts, and the think tank that all combine together to be vastly more dangerous than anything the Sole Survivor has been through. Has the Sole Survivor had to go through a bank heist while every room can blow his head off, with radiation everywhere, while also keeping three other people alive, and then have to kill those people without exploding because if they died the Courier died too.

      The C-Finder is not the Courier’s only one shot option. Esther can also one shot and the red glare kills the Sole Survivor extremely quickly. And while the Sole Survivor has some pretty good weapons he first would have to find the courier since one of the only armors he used in canon was the stealth suit. So the chances of the Courier starting almost invisible are really high

      as a response to dead money him "keeping his cool" was only under the threat of his head being blown off and not in any other circumstances would he even be like that for any other snario he was honestly some random shmuck who fell into a pretty obvious trap

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    • Then The Courier falling for it is an outlier among all of his other intelligence feats.

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    • Please don’t quote such a large wall of text when the text itself was the last comment.

      Also I’ve reread your comment like 5 times and still don’t get the point (It’s really late where I live so I’m probably just to tired to read it but if you could rephrase it that’ll be nice). If you’re trying to say his head would have been blown off only once throughout the dlc that ignores the radios that cause your collar to go off. Also there were zombies that could somewhat resurrect unless you dismembered them. The trap that sent you to the dlc was a random thing of sleeping gas that filled an entire bunker. How would anyone see that coming? Also has the Sole Survivor ever done anything that would make him smart enough not to fall for that either. Even if the dlcs aren’t impressive (when they are) the Sole Survivor hasn’t done anything comparable in the first place. He fought in a war while supported by the rest of the army. Meanwhile the courier went to a place that slaughtered groups of soldiers that had the weaknesses of the monsters that lived there.

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    • The soldiers that were sent there went extremely unprepared because they only knew about the Tunnelers living there and didn't know about the Marked Men or the Deathclaws.

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    • A lot of this battle depends on who gets into V.A.T.S. first, to be honest, but the Sole Survivor would have a VASTLY bigger advantage by doing so, as he has WAY more Action Points than the Courier.

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    • The vats lasting longer means nothing if both can die from the first hit. At best it would be an inconclusive, but that ignores the Courier using terrifying presence to have the SS run away or starting nigh invisible due to the stealth suit. Either he gets the first shot due to his stealth or possibly survives the first shot due to his cyber implants he got that increased his regeneration and durability.

      The soldiers also mentioned in their notes that Tunnelers killed a lot of them. Even if the Tunnelers didn’t you just stated something else the Courier fought did so why does it matter if it wasn’t the Tunnelers (despite them contributing to it). The Courier fought everything they fought in the divide by himself. Including someone that had been preparing to kill the courier for years with high grade military weapons, multiple robots that healed and amped him, and had a crap ton of marked men outside. And the courier either single handily fought through all of that, or convinced a man that hated him with a burning passion to not only give up, but straight up help the courier. There is nothing stopping the Courier from convincing the Sole Survivor to leave and never come back because he did it to psychopaths that killed for kicks, insane super geniuses, his own brain beefed up on intelligence increasing drugs, and a man that spent years upon years actively trying to get the courier killed.

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    • A terminal talks about VATS, both slowing down and even stopping one’s perception in time iirc. And courier is the one with the stop time perception. Where Soles survivors is only slowed

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    • I forgot the fact that the Sole Survivor's VATS is worse than The Courier's. That alone would be enough to obliterate him, aside from his Charisma feats, Intelligence feats and Stealth Suit.

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    • Isn't charisma and stealth useless against both of them? And the Sole Survivor is literally just as smart.

      Also Terrifying Presence requires them to have dialogue and only happens sometimes.

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    • Keeweed wrote:
      The vats lasting longer means nothing if both can die from the first hit. At best it would be an inconclusive, but that ignores the Courier using terrifying presence to have the SS run away or starting nigh invisible due to the stealth suit. Either he gets the first shot due to his stealth or possibly survives the first shot due to his cyber implants he got that increased his regeneration and durability.

      The soldiers also mentioned in their notes that Tunnelers killed a lot of them. Even if the Tunnelers didn’t you just stated something else the Courier fought did so why does it matter if it wasn’t the Tunnelers (despite them contributing to it). The Courier fought everything they fought in the divide by himself. Including someone that had been preparing to kill the courier for years with high grade military weapons, multiple robots that healed and amped him, and had a crap ton of marked men outside. And the courier either single handily fought through all of that, or convinced a man that hated him with a burning passion to not only give up, but straight up help the courier. There is nothing stopping the Courier from convincing the Sole Survivor to leave and never come back because he did it to psychopaths that killed for kicks, insane super geniuses, his own brain beefed up on intelligence increasing drugs, and a man that spent years upon years actively trying to get the courier killed.

      Ulysses didn't hate the Courier. He wanted to kill him, yes, but he didn't at all blame him for anything that happened, as he stated. It was also THE most difficult time he had convincing someone in the entire game. 

      Speaking of which, Ulysses is REALLY due for an update on this wiki.

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    • He literally has no feats on The Courier's level of Intelligence.

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    • INT doesn't matter in battle, and the Sole Survivor is able to modify and improve almost every weapon in the game while the Courier had similar tools and couldn't. He also couldn't do anything involving Power Armor like the Sole Survivor can, other than basic repairs. Speaking of, the Sole Survivor's Power Armor >>>>>>>>>> the Courier's Power Armor.

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    • It doesn’t matter if his power armor is better because it would get easily shredded. Both their power armors get shredded from each other’s weapons. This comes down to who can get the first hit and since the Courier has faster vats, a way to keep living after the first hit, most likely would start nigh undetectable due to the stealth suit, and could convince the Sole Survivor to leave if he gets the chance (and his luck should give him the chance since it can cause weapons to jam) the Courier either barely wins or wins pretty easily depending on how this fight goes.

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    • The V.A.T.S. movement really hardly matters because it's an extremely slow crawl vs not moving at all. And if I recall, the Sole Survivor has perks for faster draw speed and the Courier doesn't, though I could be wrong. Also, the Courier doesn't usually start out with the Stealth Suit Mark II in character, and even then all it does is add +20(?) to Sneak, among a couple S.P.E.C.I.A.L. bonuses. The Sole Survivor is used to detecting people with Stealth Boys. The Sole Survivor's weapons are also far superior to the low quality weapons enemies have in New Vegas.

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    • “Low quality weapons enemies have in New Vegas”

      If you’re referring to the Courier surviving the hits, the SS has even less of a reason to survive the Courier’s attacks. And yes the Courier has perks meant to pull out their weapons faster too, plus they both have enough luck to have their weapons just fail to fire in the first place. In which case the Courier could just convince the SS to leave.

      Just having better guns doesn’t give him an automatic victory when the opponent’s weapons are more than enough to kill him as well. However in the scenarios they both don’t just shred each other the Courier wins more of the time as he can either convince the SS to leave or out smart him easily so I’m leaning much more for the Courier.

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    • No, I'm talking about the Sole Survivor's weapons being less likely to jam since his weapons don't need to be repaired consistently.

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    • But neither the Sole Survivor’s or Courier’s luck work like that. Both can make fully functional weapons go from working perfectly fine to instantly failing since they work on things like the NCR and Gunner’s weapons and both of those factions keep their guns in top shape.

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    • Oh, ok. I was under the impression that it depended on the weapon's condition.

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    • I mean these two can literally summon people into existence through sheer luck as well (mysterious stranger for both and miss fortune for the Courier (Edit: actually apparently the mysterious stranger does already exist your luck just summons him)) and the Courier has shown to guess a passcode on complete accident through sheer luck (it wasn’t even the correct passcode the robot just fell for it due to how lucky the Courier was). So making a gun jam isn’t the most absurd thing they’ve done with their luck.

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    • When was that lol

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    • Which one: the passcode? It was in the RobCo fallacy. A robot ask you for a ID passcode and one of the luck options is to randomly yell Ice Cream at it.

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    • Huh. I feel like I should remember that

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    • Bump.

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    • Bump.

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    • i mean the sole suriver because the other person page is now non-exististed

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    • Puttputt0 wrote:
      i mean the sole suriver because the other person page is now non-exististed

      here 

      The Courier

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    • yeah i found that out last night! lol not sure now tho

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    • Bump.

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    • Both the Courier and the Sole Survivor have had there powers and abililties sections expanded since this thread has been made,

      just pointing that out.

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    • Thinking the Courier stomps now.

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