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  • Cal is instantly banned for making a spite match




    Wait, before you castrate me, hear me out.

    It's this Demonbane, and the Low 2-C form. This is MUI Goku.

    Can Goku beat a 1-A? ovo

    Oh, and speed equalized

    Demonbane-Shantak
    Goku UI (Artwork temporaire)
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    • cal

      cal

      buddy

      Buddy old pal

      look at me....

      .

      .

      .

      WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

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    • BENDING THE VERY CONCEPT OF CHAOS TO MY WHIM. MWAHAHAHA!!!

      Toph laughing as Melon Lord
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    • Then Goku hax stomps just to piss off Cal. XD

      Just kidding if that wasn't obvious.

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    • Is causality manipulation in-character and how does it work?

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    • Pfft, you think I follow Demonbane ovo? I have no idea. I've just...let's just say I've been inspired by PaChi's recent threads ovo.

      Also, my boi changed his avi. Nice.

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    • Time to make and highlight a new thread. Inspired by Andy's suggestion. Massive Pokemon, Legend of Zelda, Kirby, Chrono Trigger downgrades and Dragon Ball upgrades.

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    • Add Yu Yu Hakusho to the mix of downgrades and you got a deal

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    • What do you think about mineeeeee~

      Yeah I need to get this changed.

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    • The real cal howard wrote: Pfft, you think I follow Demonbane ovo? I have no idea. I've just...let's just say I've been inspired by PaChi's recent threads ovo.

      Also, my boi changed his avi. Nice.

      I needed to give my dream waifu more love somehow.

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    • I'll also add Final Fantasy VII to the upgrades list

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    • "can trap a target in a field and bombard them with infinite heat via Lemuria Impact"

      Quite the strange power lol.

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    • Alright let’s get back on topic. Does anyone here know demonbane leads with casualty

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    • DarkDragonMedeus wrote: I'll also add Final Fantasy VII to the upgrades list

      Downgrade Bill Cipher even further to just 11-A.

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    • MYHERO wrote: What do you think about mineeeeee~

      Yeah I need to get this changed.

      Clearly this avi is better than Streaky the Supercat.

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    • CAL, I'M PLEADING WITH YOU.

      WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA DO WITH THIS THREAD, STOP IT NOW.

      GET OUT, GO HOME TO YOUR WIFE, TALK IT OUT...

      WE CAN FIX THIS.

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    • Cal 

      why u do dis

      You can at least change the board to fun and games

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    • DaBigP wrote:
      Cal 

      why u do dis

      You can at least change the board to fun and games </div>

      It's Low 2-C only but...

      Still...

      WHY CAL

      WHY

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    • I’m going to assume by the comments that causality hax is spammed and Goku gets paradoxed or some shit.

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    • *Laughs maniacally*

      Nico gif s oh yes yes by jokeyz-d8ryd70
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    • Because the derailment is too much to grasp, along with the battle itself.

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    • Give Goku the Time Ring to start with

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    • JackJoyce wrote:
      Give Goku the Time Ring to start with

      Is that even legal? Just curious.

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    • No it’s against the law. You can do a hefty time in jail if you give anyone the time ring, it’s not safe.

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    • XDDDDDDDDD

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    • I know we’re derailing but honestly I don’t know where this thread can go.

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    • Goku realizes that Demonbane is a creature he has never seen before and decides to teleport into the Masadaverse. He is trained by Reinhard to 1-A, teleports to Shin Megami Tensei, Digimon and Saint Seiya and absorbs all the Hax these universes have to offer. Then goes to Umineko and lets himself be blessed by Featherine so that he is connected to her and gets a Type 8 immortality so that he can only die if Featherine is defeated.  Then he goes back to Demonbane and stomps him alone with his presence and then deletes the concept of Spite Threads.

      End. Omni Goku was born.

      Goku super saiyan god infinite by shuma3-d8ybmi4 (1)
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    • We can still go on with this thread if we use the FUN AND GAMES card tho.

      Either way, I'm busy kicking the PUBG fanbois to the ground, so tootles! ;)

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    • @BlackPAIN99 thats a valid reason Goku FRA

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    • Correction, Goku becomes Ultra Super Saiyan God Ultra Super Saiyan Kaioken times Above Absolute Infinity Ultra Instinct Grand Mastered Ultimate Omni King Xeno God above Omnipotence. That's the name of his new form after BleackPAIN99's summary.

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    • Nah any reason to see Goku lose is a-ok by me.

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    • Spite/10

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    • I will try to be as of now kind of semi legit

      In terms of AP Demonbane looks like to be slighly above baseline (able to create and destroy universes with his clashes), Goku has a bit more of scaling with him > Jiren > Beerus > Kefla/Toppo/Vegeta Evo (roughly all in the same ballpark) > Aniraza > Casual Jiren > Infinite Zamasu (who was a literal living timeline). Which means Goku is abit above

      With speed equalized, we have Goku who has reactionary dodge and Demonbane's bigger size, but given the opponents are either FTL (Demonbane) or MFTL+ (Goku) the size should be semi irrilevant (see: Giga Bowser, although admittedly there was not such size difference), but we know Goku has fought big opponents such as Ozaru and Aniraza

      Which of course means it's time to use HAX.

      On that point, we have no doubt, Demonbane edges out, but are these capabilities enough? Let's see

      Teleportation - Goku has IT that is similar and is willing to spam. Demonbane seems to use Teleportation less IC

      Energy binding - Not the first time DBZ characters face paralysis

      Atlantis Strike - durability bypassing attack that warps space time. Could fuck up Goku real good if he doesn't dodge

      Big Sword - Not much

      Illusion Creation - Good question if Goku can be messed up or not by that.I remember it was argued he should be able to instinctively know,but let's put a maybe

      Big shield - Flanking attacks

      Homing shot - I am just asking, can Itaqua target an opponent MUCH SMALLER than itself? I think ki blasts should destroy it

      Shining Trapezohedron - If that hits Goku, that's automatic, but I am not sure how quickly Demonbane would pull it out

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      We also have Demonbane Regeneration, but it seems it will give no real advantage, the Black hole creation (irrilevant as Goku should be able to outrun them), not sure how much Casuality manipulation is used mid attack, and attack through space time (should be dodgeable)

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      Overall Goku has superior stats, less willingness to use hax (I dont think he'd use a Mufaba or even the Paralysis on Demonbane) and MUI would drain him relatively fast, while Demonbane has more hax,but less capability of landing it due to all seeming to go hax. The shining trapezohedron should be able to seal Goku but that would put DB at a disadvantage as both would be running down on fumes. 

      Goku can potentially one shot it with a Kamehameha, so I give a vote to Goku, but barely, at 55/100, but Demonbane has a lot of chance to win (Also, having Goku with Demonbane as notable victories would be hilarious)

      Of course, if it turns out Casuality Manipulation can be used in combat... yeah, I am giving it to Demonjane

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    • Common sense does not apply to Cal anymore as he had to suffer the most on the Bill downgrades ovo

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    • DarkDragonMedeus wrote:
      Correction, Goku becomes Ultra Super Saiyan God Ultra Super Saiyan Kaioken times Above Absolute Infinity Ultra Instinct Grand Mastered Ultimate Omni King Xeno God above Omnipotence. That's the name of his new form after BleackPAIN99's summary.

      The correct term for this form should be: 
      Ultra Super Instinct Briah Mega DNA Digivolve Fünftes Weltall 9th sense Longinus Cloth Testament Saiyan God Kaio-ken Times googleplex. 

      Or even: USIBMDNADFW9SLCTSGKKTG Goku 

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    • BlackPAIN99 wrote:

      Or even: USIBMDNADFW9SLCTSGKKTG Goku 

      you mean USSUIKKIABUIGMIABXZ

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    • This thread is Cal's revenge for Dialga.

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    • Weird this isn’t in fun and games yet tbh

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    • Wvv561t6ceyy
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    • Goku for Xantospoc's reasons - seems logical.

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    • Demonbanes causality manipulation can be used in combat as shown by Liber Legis getting his attacks reversed, of course his attacks were only reversed for so long until Liber adapted

      So Demonbane FRA

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    • How does the Causality Manipulation work anyway?

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    • Well then.

      Demonbane reverses and makes this monkey beat himself up FRA.

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    • Warren Valion wrote: How does the Causality Manipulation work anyway?

      His causality is a form of "Reversing an attacks" function, say a slightly less effective Altair basically.

      He does lead with that more often then not, but if he doesn't, it's a one shot

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    • Schnee One wrote:

      Warren Valion wrote: How does the Causality Manipulation work anyway?

      His causality is a form of "Reversing an attacks" function, say a slightly less effective Altair basically.

      He does lead with that more often then not, but if he doesn't, it's a one shot

      Is it an AoE thing? Or is it an energy that needs to touch you, and can be dodged?

      And if it reverses an attack, would reversing your attacks be a proper counter? Or no?

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    • I find it weird it's not mentioned that as a notable technique NOR Liber Legis is mentioned to have learnt to adapt to it in the profiles. It's his main option to win against Goku because otherwise he is in pretty big trouble

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    • Unless it's one of the Mirror of Nitocris skills, which means to be only about energy attacks

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    • Also, throwing it out of here and I realize how silly is this... but can Goku simply teleport inside Demonbane and beat the shit out of Azif and Kurou?

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    • Xantospoc wrote:
      Also, throwing it out of here and I realize how silly is this... but can Goku simply teleport inside Demonbane and beat the shit out of Azif and Kurou?

      I think Goku would just punch Demonbane until he stopped working.

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    • TBF Demonbane profiles are complete and utter shit, which is why this match is kinda pointless. (I doubt he'll even be Low 2C in a while)

      Anyway, I'm not sure how having an attack that you did become reversed is dodgeable, you punch something and you feel the punch

      Also, it isn't on the profile either, as again, DB profiles are shit and ALRF was doing a revision on it, but Demonbane reversed teleportation away, similar to Accelerator from To Aru

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    • I then suggest to lock the debate. With how DB is portrayed here in the profile, Goku has an advantage and just enough power. But from what I see by reading all and having created infinite universes, the low 2-C should be 2-A

      Which would disqualify Demonbane for cheating on his tier and give the victory to Goku by default :P

      (jokes aside, we should lock this thread)

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    • can goku overpower his hax

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    • I also agree this debate should be locked

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    • Warren Valion wrote:

      Xantospoc wrote:
      Also, throwing it out of here and I realize how silly is this... but can Goku simply teleport inside Demonbane and beat the shit out of Azif and Kurou?

      I think Goku would just punch Demonbane until he stopped working.

      Punching it would kill him for all the reasons I mentioned

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    • Schnee One wrote:
      TBF Demonbane profiles are complete and utter shit, which is why this match is kinda pointless. (I doubt he'll even be Low 2C in a while)

      Anyway, I'm not sure how having an attack that you did become reversed is dodgeable, you punch something and you feel the punch

      Also, it isn't on the profile either, as again, DB profiles are shit and ALRF was doing a revision on it, but Demonbane reversed teleportation away, similar to Accelerator from To Aru

      Well, some people have abilities that, while usually done with a handwave or something like that, are done with a physical attack or energy that can be dodged. I was wondering if this was a similar case.

      Oh, I thought you meant that if he punched forward, he actually punched backward or something, no that punching something would punch himself.

      I thought it was something Shinji Hirako's ability, but instead of being a manipulation of your senses, it was one of your actual body.

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    • BlackPAIN99 wrote: Blah blah blah

      Getting blessed and shit.. That's not even Goku's style. Goku teleports to Masadaverse and trains so hard that his Taikyoku reaches over 9000

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    • Goku wins,via not having an outdated character profile.

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    • Fun game or serius Mach?

      Demonbane can destroy him via conceptual manipulation, The magic in demonbane affects physical, mental, spiritual, conceptual, information and more, you can even say that the origin of things themselves, apart from breaking or denying them (even at the beginning of the work or low-level or inexperienced magicians like Kurou).

      Each attack is a conceptual law that imposes itself on the world and without these literal resistances you die instantly.

      Speed its not a problem as a mage exist outside any law or logic in reality in Euclidean Geometry (but its on speed equalized)...

      Also have bariers and some shit that Goku will not pass, also in extreme conditions like in his final fight against the rapper clown or The Tyrant, you can invoke the Trapezohedron SHinig but it is or would be a very rare case (I have it only as a possibility).

      No matter what, Goku will lose.

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    • JackJoyce wrote:

      Goku teleports to Masadaverse and trains so hard that his Taikyoku reaches over 9000

      It already exists but with Broly

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    • @Extreme123dz Are you talking about the 1-A Demonbane?

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    • JackJoyce wrote:

      Blah Blah Blah 

      This Over 9000 shit is a translation mistake I won't support! ^^

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    • JackJoyce wrote:
      @Extreme123dz Are you talking about the 1-A Demonbane?

      No, plz, lear or find some information about Demonbane, even in the first aparition and weakest, all of the Magicians/Sorceres have all of i say, this is and example, i read some thing like (teleport to Demonbane and kill the pilots), first this is imposible and second, Pilot have the same levels as Demonbane and what i wrote.

      Demonbane have an inifnite Eneergy come from this

      There are a lot of Stuf about themonbane but right now i have no time to explain or find my scnas, and this is only Zanma Taisei, Kishin and the Light Novels expand this and have better feats but there are un Japanese Dx

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    • >Me found this thread

      Abandon Thread Neptunia 3










      >Me found out who the OP is

      Slowclap

      Congrats you little shit for making this abomination










      >Me found Cal use Nico gif

      Haru Unamused Cut-in

      Maki is not amused

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    • Why isn’t this spite closed yet?

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    • Demonbane Oneshot.

      has actual uni+ feats.

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    • As does Goku

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    • He actually doesn't he would actually cap at high 3-A

      But we used some vague statement to make him low 2-C (The type of statements that would make omega shenron 3-A)

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    • I get you had to deal with Bill spite

      But Cal

      Please no.

      Anyways, Demonbane FRA.

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    • The Tetromino King wrote: He actually doesn't he would actually cap at high 3-A

      But we used some vague statement to make him low 2-C

      So they're both Low 2C and this is completely moot

      Both in the same tier means having an actual feat there is meaningless.

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    • The Tetromino King wrote:
      He actually doesn't he would actually cap at high 3-A

      But we used some vague statement to make him low 2-C (The type of statements that would make omega shenron 3-A)

      If you think that DBS characters are high 3-A and not low 2-C, you should make a CRT

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    • DragonEmperor23 wrote:

      If you think that DBS characters are high 3-A and not low 2-C, you should make a CRT

      sighs

      We've done countless CRTs to put Goku at Low 2-C. Because of that, further discussion about it was banned due to the same points being used.

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    • I didn't know that. You should link him to those CRT so he can understand why it was banned.

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    • The links got buried, but AKM, Kep, Matthew and Akreious know more about it. They're the ones who resolved it. You can ask them to give you more info on it.

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    • @Tetro ^

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    • Goku goes SSJ5 and stomps

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    • TheDoom01 wrote: Goku goes SSJ5 and stomps

      More like SSJBeyondinfinity%plusultrasmashbrosunitedstatesohgoshpleasehelp

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    • The 5 means that he is 5 times stronger than ominpotence

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    • bump

      This thread ded ;-;

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    • Schnee One wrote:

      So they're both Low 2C and this is completely moot

      Both in the same tier means having an actual feat there is meaningless.

      Yeah, But in the favor of Demonbane have insane Hax (Magick in Demonbane is the art of manipulating information at the point to control the Origin itself at some point, Duialities, Concepts, a magick Beyond logic, Logic beyond logic), can impose a new Law into reality and the victim, can damage and resist/protect not only the physical, but the Mental, Spiritual, information and conceptual level and have barriers (Elder Sign).

      Can senses, feel and analize the universe, his laws and concepts (information), the spells and the target even if there are in another dimension/reslity/universe, 360 vision, 

      His weapons (Cthugha Pistol and Ithaqua the Revolver) can impose a new law into reality, one can harm you at the point the concept of heat resist dosent exist (Cthugha, his normal attacks are the Temp of the plasma/nucleus of the sun) and the other one can go beyond Absolute 0 and seek with no fail/miss the target vital point. Note: Both of them can be released (The spell anchors are formed on the spiritual planes, and then projected onto the material plane, breaking the boundary between the worlds) as an attack in their true forms of divine animals.

      Mirror of Nitocris can make ilusions make into reality (another form os manipulating reality) and duplication, can uses the rays to flash and blind the target, can uses as a coat to make him invisivle and hard to percieve, can make windows to trap the attack/energi as an other form of shield or reflected to the enemie.

      The Chain-Severing System and Atlantis Strike: Timaeus and Critias is an activated system built into Demonbane that produces spatial and temporal distortions, as well as generating dimensional energy. The system is used for local control of space-time (which allows you to move in time to cause damage in the past or future, for example) or the complete destruction of the space-time continuum in a given territory (Atlantis Strike..., also the distortion can also be used for protection, creating a semblance of a barrier that redirects damage)

      Lemuria Impact: Short-range sublimation spell that drawing its strength from external worlds and creating an energy sphere with infinite energy, temperature, mass and gravity, Demonbane generates a grean ball of energy (like the ransengan of Naruto but more broken). Following that Demonbane thrusts its palm forward, touching the target, stopping its movements and surrounding it with a barrier. The next instant the target is being bombarded with the energy said previously until it's reduced to nothingness (all inside in the barrier, including reality itself and all its aspects). 

      Its good to see the speed equalized because normaly all of Mages in Demonbane and the Deus Machinas thanks to Azathoth (The Magick in Demonbane) can ignoring any laws of physics, acting beyond the three-dimensional logic and concepts of Euclidean geometry (in other words, Immeasurable Speed)

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    • Lots of what you said in that comment can just be resumed as a bunch of buzzword that sound impressive but are actualy common as all hell.

      changing laws of reality or whatever is just reality warping and most of your comments is just the character using said warping to do a lot of stuff that are already emcompassed by 'reality warping' and stuff like Lemuria are just attacks, no need to explain them in details, that would be like explaining what Goku does when he use a kamehameha in detail, that's useless and is just there to sound more impressive than it is.

      Same for ignoring laws of physics, sound impressive when over explained but it's common and mostly meaningless, most work of fiction have their characters ignore physics, also if you ignore physics, stuff like 'absolute 0' become meaningless; especialy when you go 'below absolute 0' cause we have no idea if it would do anything since we have no reference for that kind of thing.

      That's like when people over explain Arale and her gag power just to make it sound more impressive, it's technicaly true but it's just a desingenuous way to present them.

      I mean yeah, Demonbane HAS impressive ability but how you are presenting them is just ridiculous.

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    • Dragomer wrote:
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      First, learn something about Demonbane (Well, atleast Zanma, Kishin have no Eng translation and the LN are bad ones...)

      This is magick in Demonbane (some info).

      This is how Mages imposes a new Law in reality

      This is what the web page says about magic : http://www.demonbane.com/special2/words.html

      Magick: Magick is the act of manipulating magical power/energy which encompasses all through own pure will. By borrowing the power of gods from different worlds, they can exercise this power, rewriting the laws of the world with their own imposed law, creating different miracles. To use it however, genuine Sorcerers require Grimoires, just like how scientist requires computers capable of high-speed calculations.

      And there are more from Zanma, but i have no time right now and have all my scans...

      This is not only "change reality" only, its manipulatin the concepts, the information itself, even exist a blog here about that. a battle between magicians are massive battles taking place on every scale, physically, mentally, spiritually, conceptually and beyond. With both sides try to subjugating their opponent to the Laws of their World.

      About the Lemuria impact, IIRC in one route its state that have the law of obliveration (literal) and this is some examples​​​​​​, explain in details some abilities is good (special from a character no one knows), this its no the "the way you say it sounds incredible!!!" case, special when you bring the feats of that unknown character like Demonbane.

      In Demonbane, ignoring the laws of physics, logic, common senses and more are "the bread of every day" in the literal way for magicians.

      Yes, Demonbane has impresives abilities and some of them are ridiculous in the sense of broken AF (and this is from Zanma, whta about the non-translate Kishin Hishou Demonbane?).

      I'm sorry if I'm presenting it as something ridiculously stupid, but that's the way it is.

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    • PairusDragonoid wrote:

      Sounds like some fancy stuff with no context whatsoever. Anyways Goku loses because he will get tired eventually dodging Demonbane's attacks, each of them can erase him from reality or do something worse. Demonbane's defense is inpenetrable and none of Goku's attacks would work instead get reflected back at him

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    • JackJoyce wrote:

      What context do you want to hear or read?

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    • PairusDragonoid wrote:
      Dragomer wrote:
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      First, learn something about Demonbane (Well, atleast Zanma, Kishin have no Eng translation and the LN are bad ones...)

      This is magick in Demonbane (some info).

      This is how Mages imposes a new Law in reality

      This is what the web page says about magic : http://www.demonbane.com/special2/words.html

      Magick: Magick is the act of manipulating magical power/energy which encompasses all through own pure will. By borrowing the power of gods from different worlds, they can exercise this power, rewriting the laws of the world with their own imposed law, creating different miracles. To use it however, genuine Sorcerers require Grimoires, just like how scientist requires computers capable of high-speed calculations.

      And there are more from Zanma, but i have no time right now and have all my scans...

      This is not only "change reality" only, its manipulatin the concepts, the information itself, even exist a blog here about that. a battle between magicians are massive battles taking place on every scale, physically, mentally, spiritually, conceptually and beyond. With both sides try to subjugating their opponent to the Laws of their World.

      About the Lemuria impact, IIRC in one route its state that have the law of obliveration (literal) and this is some examples​​​​​​, explain in details some abilities is good (special from a character no one knows), this its no the "the way you say it sounds incredible!!!" case, special when you bring the feats of that unknown character like Demonbane.

      In Demonbane, ignoring the laws of physics, logic, common senses and more are "the bread of every day" in the literal way for magicians.

      Yes, Demonbane has impresives abilities and some of them are ridiculous in the sense of broken AF (and this is from Zanma, whta about the non-translate Kishin Hishou Demonbane?).

      I'm sorry if I'm presenting it as something ridiculously stupid, but that's the way it is.

      Read my comment before saying pretentious stuff like that.

      Cool, all your link just confirm what i said, it's reality warping and you're just over explaining it to make it sound unique and more impressive than it is.

      Adding more scans won't change a thing, i already say you were technicaly true but presenting it in a desingenuous way to make it sound more unique and power than it is.

      Once again, all you just said is encompassed in 'reality warping', stop overexplaining to sound cool.

      Except that Lemuria basicaly has no more effect than Hakai (if even that cause it doesn't have a good track record  and i don't even remember if there was a confirmed erasure), they basicaly have the same effect as Toppo's big ball of hakai but you're clearly trying very hard to make it sound unique and uniquely powerful as well as confusing.

      And ignoring physics and reality is an every day occurance for most comics and anime character, you even have hight school settings that make it a point to break or ignore all of those once per episode, it's not unique, it's not as impressive as you try to make it sound and it's mostly meaningless.

      No, that's not the way it is, that's a desingenuous argumentative ploy that tons of people use to overhype unknown series, Lionel Sluggs (childish nickname but i can't stop using it since i saw it in a rant once) even used it for GetBackers back in the day, if you went and described Goku's kamehameha and Toppo's hakai the same way, it would sound just as incredible.

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    • Dragomer wrote:
      ----Magic
      This art, once hidden in the darkness of history, came again into the open with the rebirth of alchemy
      Magic is the art of controlling everything that makes up the World
      All things in the Cosmos have a system
      By deciphering these systems, one can change the shape of the World
      Indeed- each system, each spell, is a universe in and of itself
      A Mage, therefore, is a creator of universes

      Science and alchemy have not exposed all secrets of Magic
      The deepest truths are allowed only to Mages, who have given their lives to darkness
      However, the fundamental principles have been revealed

      The smallest, indivisible element of any system
      Called 'magic power', this source of energy seems to come into being from the void itself
      Some call it mana, others call it ether, but modern alchemy knows it as 'Azathoth'
      The etymology of the word is unknown
      The person who named it is unknown
      There are countless theories

      Whatever the case, Mages are those who can observe, grasp, understand and shape the Azathoth
      And just as scientists need high-speed computers to help them perform calculations, Mages need something to help
      That is the purpose of grimoires

      And Daijuuji Kurou has obtained such a grimoire

      Were is the part that its "only" Reality Warping? its not the "overexplaining to sound cool" excuse. in Demonbane, an user of Azathoth (Magick) can do this, its good to see that you understand the Magick in the series and how its works.

      Comparing the Lemuria impact, an attack that has temperature, mass, gravity and infinite speed, that encloses you in a field to erase you from reality with everything that is in the field, which has the Law of Destruction with the Plus that in Demonbane, it is not only physical, mental and spiritual, but also at a conceptual level / information but there is logic with an atauqe (Hakai) that only damages at the physical, mental (?) and spiritual level is ridiculous, in the only thing that I can to say here is that the Hakai does not need a "contact" as with Demonbane (that if he requires it, I do not know if in Kishin he solves it)

      Feats are posted, i hope to see the feats of Goku and not cheap excuses like "overexplaining to sound cool" or compare what I write with Lionel Suggs ... which is a very low hit. ​​​

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    • Litteraly all of it is just reality warping once again and 'oh we don't know all about magic', how fucking impressive, guesse what other verse has that ? Harry Potter, see meaningless that part is ?

      Yes, they can use reality warping, once again, you just tried to overexplain it to make a pretty mundane ability sound unique and cool.

      Both erase you from existence, they do the same thing, by that logic i can say destruction energy is better than Lemuria because it also erase ki, which Lemuria doesn't erase, that's just trying to go into technicality to declare one ability over the other when both are clearly portrayed the same : as EE attack that leave nothing of the target.

      Temperature, mass and gravity are meaningless when you ignore physics and when you reach EE levels in your attacks, once again, you're adding meaningless element to it to make it sound more impressive than it, that like talking about Goku's kamehameha having infinit heat it scale to the technique's pure AP which is technicaly on a level of infinity because that's what you need to reach even low 2-C.

      I am not really interested in who would win here, i'm mostly commenting on how your way of presenting Demonbane's side is very desingenuous, I'm actualy even slightly on Demonbane's side here, i'm just very against your tactics here.

      Not my fault if you're using the very same tactics he used, i could pull out one of his old post about GetBacker (if they aren't deleted) and you'd see they are almost the same as your post.

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    • Dragomer wrote:

      Thank you for showing that you do not know anything about the work and that you do not understand what magic is in Demonbane with the comparison of Harry Potter or the knowledge that Lemuria Impact is and can do, especially compare myself to Lionel Suggs..., pathetic.

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    • The best way to solve this is this:

      Pairus, besides Reality Warping what would you consider Demonbane's powers?

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    • Calaca Vs wrote:
      The best way to solve this is this:

      Pairus, besides Reality Warping what would you consider Demonbane's powers?

      Apart from RW thing and what I read when Zanma Taisei played......

      Flight (Shantak Wing), space travel, Homming attacks (Ithaqua Bullets can pursuit the target and hit in his vital points), energy attacks, spiritual attack (its normal for Magicians and his Deus Machinas to attack in this plane), dimensional attacks (See above), conceptual damage (Nature of the Magick (Azathoth) of the works and imposing Laws), thermal / fire / plasma or heat manipulation (heat like nucleous of the sun and beyond via Cthugha (Base weapons or God Beast bullets) and infinity by Lemuria Impact), Manipulating of Ice (Ithaqua and can go IIRC to Absolute 0 or Lower), energy manipulation (infinite energy Demonbane obtain by his heart, the Cor Leonis ), light manipulation, matter manipulation, crystal manipulation? (The Mirrors of Nitocris), information manipulation (The Nature of the Magick in Demonbane verse “Azathoth”), technological manipulation, Magic and Techno-Magic, (based on the management of information and the primary substance underlying binary) logic manipulation (The Nature of the Magick and other things, the magic of the Deus-machines is based on the complete disregard of three-dimensional logic, common sense, concepts of Euclidean geometry, cause-and-effect relationships, any laws of physics and reality IIRC), Void / Non-Existence manipulation (By information/Magick, there are a blog here that uses Kishin Hisou to explain this), space and time manipulation (Magick, Timaeus and Critas / Atlantis Strike and other things), gravity manipulations (infinite gravity; black holes ), barriers (Elder Sign, Mirror of Nitocris, Conceotual Barriers), aura (explosive, overwhelming, maybe others), eflection of attacks (Mirir of Nitocris), teleportation and probability manipulation (of oneself and others, in space and between dimensions, to any point of space and beyond it on the basis of complex probabilistic and quantum manipulations thanks to the Imaginary Expansion Catapult (there is a large explanation, but better an even shorter summary :P)), Duplcation (Mirror of Nitocris), invisibility (Mirror of Nitocris), illusions (The Tipes? Illusion imposing in to the space, holograms, make material to them, make illusion to become a part of reality or change it (another form of RW), maybe another one) (Mirror of Nitocris), huge size (It’s a mech around 50 meters),   immortality (Types? It’s a mech, have a very long age/life spam and have regeneration), regeneration (type? Only in Late Game (Chapter 13 to up IIRC) can regenerate limbs if there are erased form reality (IIRC), possible beyond?), Acasuality (Nature of Magick, for Magicians and Mech, the exist outside Euclidean Geometry and World Logic), ESP (Extra Sensory Perception) (the ability to feel, to realize and analyze the laws of reality and the laws of magic. It can be expressed both in passive filtering of information, and in targeted information retrieval and analysis of certain objects. there are more but im very lazy :P), Resistances of “all” natural and supernatural things/DMG, Summoning (Weapons and other things), Maybe more things that I don’t remember and don’t know about the LN and Kishin Hishou.

      This is my opinion.

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    • Why isn’t this closed yet? Or is this fair now?

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    • A FANDOM user
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