I get why some of them would be at least 4-C, but not straight up 4-C. Stygian's power could equal his durability, Tirek has the power of 2 alicrons vastly stronger than basically any other unicorn and 2 alicorns who are SUPER casually star level. You can't automatically assume that makes him High 4-C I guess if you really do the math (if you really lowball, Twi and Cadance could be High 6-C, and the royal sisters could be barely baseline 4-C), but Tirek has made it seem very unlikely that the four alicorns aren't at least kinda close in power, with how weird everything powerscaling wise would be otherwise. And if the princesses are even 2x baeline, which is likely considering Celestia literally says in an episode that raising the sun is easy, Tirek, the Eoh/RP, possibly Stygian, and The Storm King are High 4-C. I'm not asking for that though, I just want them to be At Least 4-C, cause it's really obvious that they are. But why is RP not blatantly High 4-C? Even lowballing, Discord is 1.5x stronger than the princesses, and Tirek was strong enough to absorb his magic, making him 1.5x or more stronger than them, so 3+x star level. And than he gained Twilight's power, making him at the very least 6x baseline star level. Unless people really think RP isn't even 1.12x stronger than a VERY lowballed Tirek. In fact, even Tirek should be High 4-C if we're not lowballing (you know, the classic 4 alicorns x2 debate).
But currently Twilght is having a big revision thread around her, and anyway, the characters that were supposed to be Star Level+ are just Star Level on their pages for some reason. And Celestia and Luna are super casually Star Level, so at 'least' should be applied to a lot of characters. Even the post said a lot of characters should be At least 4-C, but the only one who has that rating is RP. Not even All Alicorn Twilight, Post-Discord Tirek, and the PoS have at least.
Also, that thread considered Twilight as 3x alicornn level, but small star level is still enough to be considered, especially depending on how far into Low 4-C Twilight is. Starswitl sin't even that tired apparently after helping to raise the sun, so he should contribute more to the sun lifitng than the other master unicorns. And if Twilight's comparable, then 8 alicorn Tirek is definitely High 4-C.
I thought moving the sun would be "4-C via Telekinesis" or something like that, not straight up AP. Unless Celestia has shown to fire a lazer beam out of her horn to blow up a celestial body or something.
Who cares anyways? Twilight survived a tele-slam by Tirek, and he was incapable of Telekinetically holding her down long enough to steal her magic like he did other ponies. Telekinesis in MLP is basically wrapping a target in energy and moving it. Logically, they should be able to use that same energy for attack power. Literally no reason not to.
Which profiles need to have their justifications changed?
Also, in lack of better options we count moving stars at ftl speeds as star level x the number of stars involved, as otherwise it would have to be unquantifiable, since it isn't covered by mathematics.
Also, while we're on the topic of Celestia (kinda), Principal Celestia should be changed back to 10-B, or At least 10-B. Both Sunset Shimmer and Rainbow Dash are strong, so Celestia shouldn't scale. She's an office lady, so that supports it even more. I mean, Sunset isn't SUPER athletic, but she's been generally shown as physically competent, and Rainbow obviously is stronger than Principal Celestia. I guess she could be 9-B, but there's not enough proof. She should have an At least 10-B rating. Same for Vice Principal Luna. And any other human characters who have not directly shown powerful feats.
I asked Azathoth a few days ago, and commented again, and I just notified Darkanine. But even if they don't respond, isn't this just basically implementing what was already agreed on in a previous thread? (discounting the human things of course)
I'm just gonna point it out right now: People far closer to the edge of their respective tiers (like .2 tons away) and with much bigger scaling chains than Tirek and Rainbow Power, are still only at the edge instead of the baseline for the next tier (If the "Highest AP for Every Tier" thread is Any Indicator). High 4-C is a crap tier for MLP anyways, they are fairly weak High 4-C's. They'll thrive in 4-C.
We also can't assume multipliers based on how casual a feat is.
Isn't this website to display facts above all else. I don't think keeping them at a certain tier just so they can thrive is the right thing to do. Also, when I say At least 4-C, I mean possibly Star Level+ for most cases, not High 4-C.
Probably an at least rating for All Alicorn Twilight and Tirek based on multipliers, and ease of the feat done by people inferior to them. I think by this point an at least for tier 4 is being suggested.
I however, have no idea about anyone else in the baselines or the EoH since it is probably better suited for someone with better judgement than myself like Darkanine.
(sorry for necroing, but this is kinda important) I've asked them again, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I don't see any problem with At least. It's just basic logic at this point, considering Twilight vs Sombra.
I personally don't mind an "At least 4-C" or maybe "High 4-C" for the strongest characters/weapons, but I am not the best at evaluating this. You can tell Azathoth and Darkanine that I would appreciate their input.
Antvasima wrote: I suppose that seems reasonable, but then Starlight and Starswirl should probably scale from being stronger than her.
Not as if Starswirl doesn't have feats to call his own. Him failing to lower the Moon and raise the Sun by himself never happened in "Horse Play", which retconned the book. "The Beginning of the End" portrays him as comparable to Luna and Celestia. And the most blantant example is him creating shields powerful enough to withstand attacks from a bloodlusted Pony of Shadows.