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    11:06, April 26, 2019

    Previous thread: https://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:2182957

    Alicization episode 24 just dropped. Eugeo's dead. Child Alice is dead. Cardinal is dead. Charlotte is dead. Quinella is dead. Chudelfuck is dead. Kirito is brain damaged and is now a vegetable with

    d e p p r e s s i o n .

    What a wonderful way to end off the second cour.

    Like last time I'm keeping a segment here where I send the link to comments or sources that could help understand the episode better (Since the director really likes not adding important scenes that could get people to understand the anime better and we shouldn't blame Reki for all the crap that went wrong during the anime's production):

    A full year of SAO bois. Grab your popcorn, check out Digibro for consistent SAO hate-- Wait. Digi quit his SAO episodic reviews. Crap.

    Note: Keep spoilers of the future to a minimum.

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    • Sooo, I did some changes to the verse page. You know, just a little addition, nothing too major...

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    • >+53,594 bits

      excuse me this is SAO not Starcross what are you doing

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    • Still not as large as Linx's profile.

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    • that's not a forking achievement

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    • Xmark12 wrote:
      Sooo, I did some changes to the verse page. You know, just a little addition, nothing too major...

      holy fucking hell what happened to SAO's verse page

      I'm scared to think about what'll happen when Unital Ring is translated.

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    • Hue. They don't call me the info broker of SAO for nothin'!

      ...Wait that's Argo. Well uh, the info broker of the SAO vsbw page! Especially on SAO lore.

      Yeeeee

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    • Lol. I added a tabber to the Characters section.

      You can undo it if you don't like it.

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    • Sweet, that's fine. It's still weird how ALO is ALfheim with the first two letters being capitalized instead of it just being Alfheim.

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    • Yeah, it's weird...

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    • That is weird

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    • It's better than people abbreviating Underworld as UWO, at least.

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    • It should be called UWU obviously

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    • Underworld... under?

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    • Yes

      .... Maybe you'd get that joke if I said OWO instead

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    • OwO

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    • Anyways i wanna make profiles for the Gameverse... when I'm done with finals ofc but still.

      The most impressive feats likely come from Hollow Realization, with the creating-half-of-Aincrad feat and all, and the Hollow Fragment characters maaaaybe being 8-B because the higher floors might scale to the Incarnation of the Radius, considering they're already at least at least at least at least at least High 8-C by that point, might as well put them as 8-B.

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    • I could help you out with the Gameverse. Just make a Sandbox for it or something.

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    • Bam, episode 12.

      Also imo, I didn't really like Quinella's voice actor. Or at least, her voice is good, but she kinda overacts her scenes. It makes Quinella seem like a stereotypical 1-D villain, when she's more than that.

      Also is it just me or does Quinella remind me of Esdeath?

      ...We need a Quinella profile asap to see if she could go up against Esdeath. Pronto.

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    • Xmark12 wrote: It makes Quinella seem like a stereotypical 1-D villain, when sHe'S mOrE tHaN tHaT.

      Laughs in A1 pictures

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    • In other news, this is also a light novel problem (even though it's handled waaaaay better in there), but I feel like giving exposition on the main threat and who they are lowers the mystery of the adventure. Yes it makes the stakes more clear, but you don't have a chance to show that information now since you've already told it.

      It's like in the FC/OC Tabletop where I just info dumped your main mission and all the mystery disappeared. Now you have a straight cut goal... and sometimes that's more boring than figuring stuff out yourself and making theories.

      That's also why I learned and stopped doing that for future games where I DM/GM.

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    • I mean, sometimes the story isn't improved by mystery

      ... Like ugh....

      Oh yeah, Goblin Slayer.

      It's clear as day why they go after Goblins. If it was a mystery, maybe it would be a big suprise, but the way they've done it, you understand Goblin Slayer's obsession. But, the story's still good as you want to know what happens in the adventures of said character, cause you've had your interest peaked already from finding out most you would need to know.

      Also we don't talk about the FC/OC Tabletop. Bad momojojo

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    • Well I guess. There's still a bit of mystery left, and some interesting philosophical stuff that comes up because of this exposition dump in the future if A-1 won't fhek it up.

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    • Continues to laugh in A-1

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    • I recommend to read the light novels man, they're a hella good read, even though each novel is pretty long (300-400 pages-ish. Also keep in mind A-1 adapts each novel in around 4 episodes).

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    • I have no money and I do not want to get the books at the expense of who went into making them

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    • Ask your parents to order them on amazon or something.

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    • My parents already think I'm a weeb

      Well okay only my dad but I still do not want to walk on those eggshells

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    • I am currently making Quinella, but finding an image is tricky without looking like I ripped it straight from a hentai manga.

      Also, DMUA, my offer about giving you fan-translated PDFs still stands. Just message me at anytime.

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    • Kuroiha wrote: I am currently making Quinella, but finding an image is tricky without looking like I ripped it straight from a hentai manga.

      K e K

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    • Kuroiha wrote: I am currently making Quinella, but finding an image is tricky without looking like I ripped it straight from a hentai manga.

      Also, DMUA, my offer about giving you fan-translated PDFs still stands. Just message me at anytime.

      Just use either one of these for now until we get official anime character designs for her:
      Vol 14 - 165
      Quinella
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    • Also here's a quick render of the first pic (was too lazy to do the bottom half. Doing this on the phone is torture):
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    • Lol, alright. Thanks.

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    • Wait, would Quinella splitting the human empire count as AP?

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    • Yo yo yo. Look who made a comp kirito profile (aka me)

      It's unfinished tho https://debatesjungle.wikia.com/wiki/Kirito_(Sword_Art_Online)

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    • Creating something does count as AP iirc, cuz you can destroy it too. It also makes sense since she has absolute authority over the Underworld.

      Imo her AP would be Building level+ since she's comparable to Kirito (Though you'd think with her age she'd be physically stronger than Alice or something, since she'd have massive Control Authorities). Then she'd have a calc for her creation feat probably, and that'd be with Sacred Arts.

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    • Hm. Alright.

      But it's stated that she could kill Kirito in a single slash, and has done some crazy feats like destroying Eugeo's full-power ice arrow with a sigh.

      I'll add an "At least".

      As for the creation feat, I'll try to calc it.

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    • So... Uh. I attempted it here.

      I feel like I just made a huge mess of calc stacking, but then again, I'm no good with calcs anyway.

      I got Low 7-B (Small City level).

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    • None of that is actually Calc Stacking, I believe.

      You aren't trying to use one calc to get results for another, but you're just trying to scale everything out.

      Though, you sure there isn't a better way to do it?

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    • Oh.

      Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

      IIRC, there was never a scene or part in Alicization where someone stated the height of the walls themselves. Only the length.

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    • Okay, I finally found the scan that shows Kirito's 6-C in AP, not just with Starburst Stream:

      I understood was what happening the moment the cluster of stars drifting here from the north became a rainbow-colored waterfall and poured into the blade.

      The Night Sky Sword’s power was its ability to absorb Resources within a far-reaching range.

      And the strongest Resource in this world was most definitely not the Spatial Resources allocated by the system, like the sun or the land. It was the power of the human spirit. The power of prayers, wishes, and hope.

      The final member of the almost infinitely descending star cluster was absorbed into the sword.

      Then, the very second when the last two golden and multicolored stars dissolved into the body of the blade—

      The Night Sky Sword beamed with the rainbow of emotions from a host of people.

      The light traveled from the hilt into my arm, permeating my entire body. My lower body, wrecked by Gabriel, regenerated in an instant in the warm radiance.

      The starlight congregated at my left arm too, giving the Blue Rose Sword in my hand a blinding luminance—

      “OH…HHHHHHH!”

      I fanned my two swords far apart, shouting.

      “LLLLLLLLL!!”

      Opposite me, Gabriel had broken free of his ice bindings and was letting loose a bizarre howl.

      He no longer resembled anything like a human. Wrapped in bluish-black flames, his naked, liquid metal-like body was giving off a menacing glow, and the violet-blue light ejecting from his eye sockets reminded me of escaping hellfire.

      The giant void blade in his right hand went high up in the air, and his wings that were now also blades lengthened in all directions.

      Just then, his left hand aimed at me and a uncountable number of tightly packed black wires burst forth.

      “…OHH!!”

      I set up a barrier of light with a yell and deflected them.

      Then I fully opened my wings, transformed from the hem of my long coat.

      With my left sword in front and my right sword behind, I kicked the air with all of my might.

      Since there was only a minuscule distance between me and the enemy, it should have taken under a second for me to charge towards him at full speed. But in this segment of time, I became enshrouded in an infinitely long sensation of acceleration.

      The figure of a person appeared to my right.

      It was a knight in black armor with a black mustache, wearing a long, large blade. The man was hugging the shoulder of a gray-skinned female knight sticking close to him; he studied me and said:

      “You must shed your bloodlust, youngster. His empty soul cannot be cut by the Incarnation of murder.”

      Next, a short-haired, well-built man appeared to his left. Dressed in casual blue robes, he was equipped with a steel-colored longsword. This was Integrity Knight Commander Bercouli, a strident grin over his gutsy features.

      “No fear, boy. Your sword bears with it the weight of the world itself.”

      Basically he absorbed the power of everyone into his sword, but since he could still withstand the power of Gabriel's strikes, it would be safe to assume he'd still have possibly 6-C dura.

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    • Bump for more input. I was thinking putting this on his profile:

      (Shook the entire Underworld with Starburst Stream during the time period where he was powered by all the spirits in the world. Even without Starburst Stream it's stated that his sword bears the weight of the world itself)

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    • Bearing the weight of the world is flowery language...

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    • Yeeeaaaah, still a shorter alternative to "Even without Starburst Stream he absorbed the power of the souls of everyone in the world and should only be a bit weaker than when using Starburst Stream". It doesn't make sense that he could only use 6-C power with Starburst Stream, since he absorbed the power. It should also be in addition to all his other skills.

      Also Gabriel would be 6-C for counterattacking the attacks right? Didn't Kirito block some of his attacks with a barrier? Would his barriers be 6-C when powered by the world or normally?

      Just then, his left hand aimed at me and a uncountable number of tightly packed black wires burst forth.

      “…OHH!!”

      I set up a barrier of light with a yell and deflected them.

      If it's powered by the world then that's even more proof that the power could be used in stuff other than Starburst Stream.

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    • Starburst Stream is a hilariously huge attack modifier though. His attack power went from rivalling Asuna who could just barely make a noticeable dent on the Gleam Eyes' health bar to killing the damn thing.

      He would be amped in full by the Spirit Ball in sword shape shtick, but Starburst Stream would very likely be his peak and his normal stats with the amp would be far from said peak.

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    • It would still be somewhere around that ballpark though, since he was still High 8-C even during Starburst Stream.

      Island level is 4.3 Gigatons, Kirito shaking the world with Starburst Stream is 24.5 Gigatons in the lowball version

      Kirito is 5.6976744186 times stronger than baseline in the lowball version, which isn't even the accepted version. I don't think Starburst Stream is that big of an amp, because if it was Kirito would have one shotted Gleam Eyes on the first hit.

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    • Also added Bercouli for shits. His Time Piercing Sword is OP as hell though.

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    • Well, you've got to remember it's a video game and a 10x boost wouldn't necessarily instakill. It would just hurt alot. Say... Make something go down in 16 hits?

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    • The Underworld isn't really a video game though...

      Sure it uses "HP" in the form of "Durability", but the people still bleed. Headshots insta kill. Arm shots make the user bleed out rapidly if they don't do anything about it.

      Remember in SAO you can get stabbed right through the head and be fine, look at the Kirito on the bridge gif.

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    • I'm talking about it's showing in SAO when you actually get a sense of scale for the amp.

      Also, believe me, I have memorized that scene well.

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    • It's still within the range of High 8-C though, since it didn't one shot the beast and it still took all 16 hits. The Skill is just reaaaally fast.

      Also side-note, still asking whether Kirito's barriers are 6-C or not.

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    • Sorry Kuroiha, I created the waifu before you.

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    • Shit. Oh well. I'll get started on Gabrilel then.

      Quinella seems to be missing some things, though.

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    • Really? Wtf she ready has a boat load of powers...

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    • It's not a boatload until you're filling the screen entirely

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    • Yeah. You're missing around... I'd say 3-5, more or less.

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    • Hol up I just noticed something after watching sao ep 24. Doesn't kirito have resistance to gravity manipulation?

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    • Uh... How? From Sugou?

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    • When sugou had put kirito under gravity and kirito had got up despite that. I don't know if y'all discussed this or not but I'm just pointing that out. Please correct me if I'm wrong

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    • Tbh it's probably just immense willpower. At least imo. That or it's cause of Kayaba's admin account.

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    • Or A-1 Immortality

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    • Huh, so apparantly EoS UW Kirito could be a completely separate profile.

      Because Higa actually didn't delete EoS UW Kirito's memories, only Asuna's, and kept UW Kirito in the Underworld while IRL Kirito got to stay with Asuna.

      ...You can see where this is probably going. A Kirito without an Asuna? Oooooh boy Higa you screwed up.

      Anyways, what I'm saying is EoS UW Kirito (Aka Star King Kirito as his official name) should be a separate profile from current Kirito. His powers would be the exact same as current UW Kirito, but also likely have Quinella's powers too, since he grew stronger within 200+ years.

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    • Honestly if we're making a new profile, we should make it just be for Alictization in general, with the Kirito we know and love (Unless you've only watched the anime) being the first key and EoS being the second.

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    • I guess. Then we'd have to move all the UW matches over to that profile I guess, sure.

      I'll make it right now.

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    • Yeah, that's better, especially considering Underworld Kirito is quite different in several regards.

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    • Xmark12 wrote:
      Huh, so apparantly EoS UW Kirito could be a completely separate profile.

      Because Higa actually didn't delete EoS UW Kirito's memories, only Asuna's, and kept UW Kirito in the Underworld while IRL Kirito got to stay with Asuna.

      ...You can see where this is probably going. A Kirito without an Asuna? Oooooh boy Higa you screwed up.

      Anyways, what I'm saying is EoS UW Kirito (Aka Star King Kirito as his official name) should be a separate profile from current Kirito. His powers would be the exact same as current UW Kirito, but also likely have Quinella's powers too, since he grew stronger within 200+ years.

      I was discussing this a couple weeks ago with someone, but forgot to bring it up. Do you need help?

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    • Nah I got it.

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    • Alright.

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    • If we're making a new profile for Alicization, won't Kirito's original Alicization stats need to be removed?

      I could do it if so.

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    • I'll just leave this here because I'll probably be off for some time after this post:

      (Don't read if you don't like spoilers)

      My apologies if this has been brought up before, but...

      I'm almost done with Volume 18 of Alicization, and there's feats like (Star King) Kirito shaking the entire universe with Incarnation, summoning and firing "stars", disintegrating 200 meter tall metal monsters, possible FTL feat, being able to easily shake planets, and surviving the vaccuum of outer space. Space is 100% simulated and also exists in Alicization, apparently.

      There's also shitloads of possible star-level feats, too.

      Maybe star-level SAO might be possible, but it's probably at least planet level.

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    • What the forking heck

      well ugh

      I'll respond in kind

      Shaking the universe is 4-A, User blog:Kepekley23/Energy Required to Shake the Universe, the rest seem like bits which support it not being an outlier.

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    • DMUA wrote:

      Then star-level SAO might finally be a thing afterall... What would moving stars' positions' across the sky be?

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    • FTL KE probably. Not really quantifiable beyond just a general vague idea of how many stars get moved.

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    • DMUA wrote:

      Oh. It was "spreading/splitting the night sky across".

      Oh well, Kirito should be at least planet level at the very least, if star-level is unaccepted, seeing as how he shook a planet quite easily with Incarnation.

      Also, EoS Alicization has "Incarnation Measuring Needles", which remind me of DBZ Power Level Scouters.

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    • >Shook a planet

      User blog:DMUA/Standard Calculation for shaking the Earth

      Of course I see no real reason they shouldn't be Multi Solar System level for shaking the universe and having several Tier 4 feats.

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    • Hm. Alright. I'll probably make a CRT or something later.

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    • Okay bois, so other than ofc the planet/solar system level feats, I got Star King Kirito done. How is it so far?

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    • It looks good.

      Should probably put a note that says to hold off on battles with SK Kirito, though, because stats are bound to change.

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    • Ye, alright. I should just keep his Sacred Arts/Incarnation stats as Unknown for now.

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    • Yeah. That would be better.

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    • SK Kirito should probably also have Self-Sustenance types 1 and 2.

      1 is debatable, but it could probably be added.

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    • I'll add it.

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    • Also I added the note you wanted, as well as noting that End of Alicization Kirito (EoA Kirito, aka the 17-year old Kirito) is different than Star King Kirito (SK Kirito, aka the 219-year old Kirito).

      Edit: Also Middle of Alicization should be High 8-C with Incarnation because he was able to sever both Quinella's arm and chest.

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    • Thank you.

      Hm. I don't see why not, but his durability probably stays the same.

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    • Created a CRT for the universe-shaking feat.

      https://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:2530546

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    • Does star king kirito have any other hax besides the alicazation ones?

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    • Not really. He is an Alicization character after-all.

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    • All I just say is.....screw Digibro.

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    • DMUA wrote: no u

      Bruh I saw that video. I wasn’t sure whether to take it seriously or not. It’s not changing my mind.

      21E20DF5-AA76-4F26-ABB9-D2D1EB4514EE
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    • you will be sucked into the Alictization hype

      you wiiillllllll

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    • Is it to early to make goku vs kirito 👀

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    • Kirito freezes Goku GG.

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    • It'll never be time for Goku vs Kirito

      If it's 4-B vs 4-B, Goku taps and Kirito dies (even if it's Toei 4-B)

      If it's 4-A vs 4-A Kirito legit AP and haxstomps

      If it's 8-B vs 8-B there's nothing wrong with it beyond me wanting to stab you

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    • Fine- I have a better match in mind anyway-

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    • Bam, new ep summary.

      Edit: Also got a good Quinella pic. Just gotta render it out, which I'll do later:
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    • Okay this is really starting to bug me

      Why does a Japanese company have every single bit of magic for their simulation be in English?

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    • Say, incredebly noob question here, but:

      So checked around and only Kirito seemed to have anything beyond the tier 8 in the SAO verse (unless revisions to other characters, such as Asuna, haven't been applied). What's the deal with the Star King anyhow (200 years old, memory wiping, two different people)?  And what in-story needed Kirito to get that powerful? Is there an antagonist that powerful as well?

      I only watched Aincrad so I am pretty ignorant to SAO overall, I am at work now, so I totally shouldn't be even in this forum right now to look at the SAO wiki or so, my apologies >_> I am just realy curious about this particular power jump.

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    • >watched

      >Aincrad

      My poor child....

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    • @DMUA remember there's English speakers on the Ocean Turtle.

      @Tarta there are plenty of more VR situations Kirito gets stuck in, one of which happens to have him trapped in it for over 200 years, eventually becoming king of that world and essentially conquering entire solar systems, sooooo....

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    • @Xmark: I am aware that SAO goes way beyond Aincrad and there are tons of other games the dude plays. While I dropped after Aincrad ended (nothing bad, just SAO wasn't my cup of tea in the end), I still more or less followed how he was doing on this Wiki, mostly in terms of his new abilities and powers given one thing I liked was his fighting style. So I was very surprised when he went from a long time tier 8 and a temporary tier 6 to full blown cosmic scale. My first thought was that the whole SAO verse got a boost or entered a pretty insane game, but then found out only Kirito seemed to have the rating (though it could just be other profiles aren't updated yet or something).

      EDIT: Thanks for the answer, BTW. Finally done in work so I could look up the details.

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    • Nah, there's 3 (iirc) people who scale to Star King Kirito: 

      First is obviously Star Queen Asuna.

      Second is Alice, who actually deals the killing blow to the Abyssal Horror... and speaking of the Abyssal Horror.

      Third is the Abyssal Horror, which is like a Lovecraftian-like entity.

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    • I could tell the Horror was pretty lovecraft-ish, with a name like that, lives at the edge of the universe, has tentacles, deals cosmic damage, etc. XD

      Yeah, found about them recently. Would have been weird to not have Kirito and Asuna together. Found out more details about what happened and such. This site also posted a translation of parts the Abyssal Horror fight in an feat blog so I got a better context.

      Once again,thanks for the help.

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    • No prob.

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    • QuinellaRender
      Aaaand the villain waifu is done!
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    • Best girl solos

      ....

      Looks at SAO:TTRPG resistances

      No resistance to Ice Manipulation

      FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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    • Kiritofrezze2

      Kirito will become top tier in 4-B/4-A.

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    • Oh, and this is just a heads-up.

      Unital Ring is heavily implying that all VR worlds will be merged into one, hence Unital Ring.

      The future of the «Nexus» will be left to the worlds themselves and the choices of the people within them.

      Will the worlds simply expand chaotically and eventually wilt and die… or will they advance to the next stage, that is «Unification»? I don’t know either.

      (Sword Art Online - Volume 21 - Prologue)

      Who knows what could happen with this.

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    • inb4 Composite Kirito becomes an actual character

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    • just realized how close we are to the light dodging feat. I'd say 2 or 3 episodes.

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    • oh Y E E T S O N

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    • Can't wait to see how bloody there gonna make it-

      Jk jk.

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    • Holy shit.

      I don't know if this changes anything (or everything), but...

      Kirito can use Incarnation in all of his avatars.

      Hell, everyone that knows how to use Incarnation can use it in any virtual space, as referenced in the most recent SAO Volume: 21.

      This means he has reality warping and probability manip in all of his keys, considering there are Incarnation feats in Kirito's other keys (Staying alive after his health hit 0 against Heathcliff for example). Incarnation is likely shown when Kirito's eyes turn yellow.

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    • Wait what

      HOW THE FORK

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    • I swear Reki is throwing bones to all us SAO power scalers, lmao.

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    • I think he's just trying to make sure we know it's just canon plot armor

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    • I don't think it's wise to add it yet though, since I want to double check with an actual scan. I just read a Vol. 21 summary.

      There aren't any translations for Vol. 21 yet.

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    • I just want a forking explaination on why Kayaba had Incarnation in Sword Art Online

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    • ...Didn't Kayaba say something along the lines of "I now believe in a power beyond that of something something virtual something?"

      ...Yeah, Reki's been planning this all along.

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    • MOTHERFORKER

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    • Spoilers for Unital Ring.

      Unital Ring

      Prologue

      Chapter 1

      Chapter 2

      ...Unless I read it incorrectly, In Chapter 2 it's confirmed that anyone can use Incarnation in any VR world/game. Meaning Kirito has reality warping and probability manipulation in all of his keys, and it's very likely he uses it whenever his eyes turn yellow.

      But since I skimmed through the paragraph since I don't have the time to read it right now, it's possible I misread.

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    • Kuroiha wrote: Spoilers for Unital Ring.

      Well.

      I feel like we should better define incarnation's capabilities, just so we can properly abuse it in versus threads

      Also this could apply to SAO Tabletop which is hilarious considering that Plot Armor was already a stat

      .. wait what year did Unital Ring come out in

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    • Hm... Like as in a blog?

      Unital Ring came out in Japan in December 7, 2018.

      Also, is Tabletop a RPG or something on FCOC?

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    • Kuroiha wrote:

      Yeah, I think it would be best to compile a lot of examples of incarnation at work so it doesn't get to NLFy.

      .... Oh my forking forkbags Mark predicted Kirito having canonical plot armor

      It's a Tabletop on Discord. I can provide you a link if you want, here's the vastly incomplete summary doc we're compiling for newcomers like you, here's the FC/OC versepage so you can get introduction to the basic idea.

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    • DMUA wrote:

      Alright. I'll make a small little blog on Incarnation.

      Thank you.

      Er, is it possible for me to join the discord, but only to spectate?

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    • Kuroiha wrote:

      Yeah, you can spectate. Here's the link.

      You'll need an immediate catch-up though for current events, which I can give you when you T-pose into battle

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    • DMUA wrote:

      Thank you.

      which I can give you when you T-pose into battle

      LOL.

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    • Bam, episode 14!

      We also got the 8-C+ feat animated this episode, as well as Spinning Shield. Wew.

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    • That song and the op was gorgeous

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    • Still sounds like typical anime stuff

      .... You know, I wish more anime had metal openings. Like, I could go for one of those. Especially with how I've ended up listening to some Disturbed stuff and well, it's Disturbed.

      ... No the second OP of Death Note doesn't count, it's trash

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    • DMUA wrote:

      ... No the second OP of Death Note doesn't count, it's trash

      I for one like the OP of Death Note. But hey, what do I know? My taste is trash.

      Also side note, OP 2 of Alicization is friggin good. It has lots of symbolism and foreshadowing.

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    • The first OP was good

      The second OP is just bad death metal if they screamed it in the universal language of screaming

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    • Eh. I'm neutral on the second OP. Some of the animation kind of looks like one of those "paint versions" of anime OPs you'd find on Youtube.

      It does have a lot of symbolism, though.

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    • I think that was intentional. It's an artstyle choice to represent the past I'm assuming. The animation during that paint section was pretty good though.

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    • Yeah, it was most likely to represent "memories" of sort.

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    • I am here

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    • Kirito and eugeo handshake

      Here's the handshake gift, @HyperNepsy. It was 18 MB originally but I compressed it.

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    • Uh... Is it just me, or is Kirito's P&A section broken?

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    • It's in tabbers, looks wierd on mobile but fine on not mobile.

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    • DMUA wrote:
      It's in tabbers, looks wierd on mobile but fine on not mobile.

      No, the tabbers are misplaced. All the P&A are in the wrong areas.

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    • Oh

      You should probably aim to fix that then

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    • Alright. I'm currently on mobile (using desktop mode), so I can't fix it right now. I'll do it in like an hour or so.

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    • Fixed it. I also added extra tabbers for Sacred Arts and Incarnation.

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    • How come kirito has all of quinellas abilities. I don't think surpassing her is a good reason

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    • It's because he can basically do anything he knows or saw with Incarnation.

      As shown in vol 21 for example where he implies he could just use any Sacred Art he wants with Incarnation, or considered using Incarnation to move an entire chunk of land to safety when it was falling to the ground.

      It could be removed though just incase.

      Also Eugeo should have Skill Connect since he used it in today's episode (even though it was never stated, but it was in the novels), as well as SAO Kirito since he used it as early as the Aincrad arc in the novels.

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    • I think they should keep it

      They're both sacred arts users and Kirito well surpassed her.

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    • K thanks for the answer. But do you have the quote where he implies it?

      I might need it for something later on

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    • I'll give it later, but in school right now.

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    • Same

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    • Here's the scan for the implication. As for the example of Kirito using Incarnation for a simple thing like moving a small chunk of land, it's not translated yet, but it's in a summary you can find online. Just search up SAO Vol 21 summary:

      “Sacred Arts exercises were beaten into me too at the Swordcraft Academy, you know. I still remember the incantations.” I replied while minimizing my homework window. I set down the mug and cake next to each other. Alice’s catlike ears twitched.

      “Oh? Then what would be the incantation that creates a small, hollow ball created from metallic element, fills it with water created from aqueous element, and surrounds it with a fireball created from thermal element?”

      “Ugh… U-Umm, elements need to be generated in order of decreasing stability, so the first would be generate metallic… Wait, no, should I start with the water element first if I’m surrounding it with steel?”

      Alice sighed loudly at once, and I retorted childishly: “W-What’s wrong? I don’t need to use Arts anymore anyway. Incarnation does the job easy for those kinds of things…”

      “That is not the point!”

      Also, anyone who knows Outside System Skills should be able to use them in real life as well, since they're literally just things that are humanly possible (in the SAO universe anyways). They're things that aren't assisted by the system at all, so they should be possible to do in real life.

      Switch also needs to be counted as an Outside System Skill. It'd be something along the lines of "Players switch positions in-between an enemy's attack to recover Hit Points, chain attacks together, and/or burden the learning abilities of AI-controlled monsters."

      One last thing, there's two more Outside System Skills that aren't listed: Instinct (Which is predicting a person or AI's next attack from long range/out of combat) and, what's the most interesting to me, Precognition (Predicting the next attack from close range/in combat).

      What would these two constitute as? Because the Sharingan is basically just glorified Enhanced Senses, but it's considered Precognition, soo...

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    • I dunno what switch would be constituted as.

      Instinct would likely be Precognition if it's predicting an opponent's next move.

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    • When are we gonna make Star Queen Asuna a thing?

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    • When we have an accurate list of her Alicization powers and stats before Star Queen.

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    • Right

      Hopefully her threads are more fun then "Freeze GG" or "She gets absolutely floored as her one trick bounces off"

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    • I don't think Asuna has any one trick, so.

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    • DMUA wrote:
      When are we gonna make Star Queen Asuna a thing?

      I'm working on it right now, along with EoA Eugeo and Alice.

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    • DMUA wrote:
      Right

      Hopefully her threads are more fun then "Freeze GG" or "She gets absolutely floored as her one trick bounces off"

      IIRC, it was just opening holes in the ground and letting enemies fall to their death.

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    • That's going to be so useless on so many people it'll make matchups more available

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    • Lmao. Asuna's main forte in Underworld is earth/rock-based attacks. (i.e. Meteors, Geographical Manipulation, etc.)

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    • >Meteors

      TFW a 4-A likes using Tier 7 projectiles to attack

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    • Inb4 planets are just big meteors.

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    • Has kirito ever tried skill connecting starburst stream and the eclispe?

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    • Skill Connect works by using one one handed sword skill with another one handed sword skill

      both of those are two handed

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    • DMUA wrote:
      Skill Connect works by using one one handed sword skill with another one handed sword skill

      both of those are two handed

      Actually Skill Connect can work with any weapon, so long as you can end one Skill where the next Skill's pre-motion starts.

      This means that technically Kirito can chain Starburst Stream and the Eclipse together.

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    • Oh

      well

      Why hasn't he pulled that in the tabletop ovo

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    • Because I never got the chance to since I never have time to do the tabletop owo

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    • Xmark12 wrote:

      Also, anyone who knows Outside System Skills should be able to use them in real life as well, since they're literally just things that are humanly possible (in the SAO universe anyways). They're things that aren't assisted by the system at all, so they should be possible to do in real life.

      Switch also needs to be counted as an Outside System Skill. It'd be something along the lines of "Players switch positions in-between an enemy's attack to recover Hit Points, chain attacks together, and/or burden the learning abilities of AI-controlled monsters."

      One last thing, there's two more Outside System Skills that aren't listed: Instinct (Which is predicting a person or AI's next attack from long range/out of combat) and, what's the most interesting to me, Precognition (Predicting the next attack from close range/in combat).

      What would these two constitute as? Because the Sharingan is basically just glorified Enhanced Senses, but it's considered Precognition, soo...

      Quick bump for this.

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    • I was reading the sao hollow realization manga and I found this feat where the game freezed and the time stopped and kirito was able to force himself to move through it.

      https://kissmanga.com/Manga/Sword-Art-Online---Hollow-Realization/003?id=469555

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    • Ayy, nice.

      Meanwhile...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVT6X_JYaLw

      THE LIGHT DODGING FEAT IS NEXT EPISODEEEEEE!!

      LETS GO BOIS!!

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    • From the literal one clip we got there, I think we can call Aim dodging full of forkery

      Now I'm not one for Speed calcs with video presentations... but I will look forward to see where we can take this forker.

      R E L K I R I T O

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    • Oh, shit. Kirito is pretty much Jesus now.

      Just you wait, DMUA. I'll somehow find a feat that makes Kirito 3-A.

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    • Don't stop till you hit 2-A with conceptual ice

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    • Apparently, a statement from Volume 18 says Incarnation existed in Aincrad, so Kirito resisting death was actually Kirito using Incarnation.

      Similarly, Underworld was not just any societal development

      simulation.

      Both represented the beginning of an epic paradigm shift.

      A different reality — one would inspire change in a world heading

      ever closer towards a closed future. A world that realized the will

      of young people fighting to break free of the established system

      into an invisible power: An Incarnating Radius.

      —That’s your goal, isn’t it, Akihiko-san?

      That’s what you noticed and discovered during your two years in

      that floating castle — their infinite potential, and the dazzling,

      blinding light of their spirits.

      (Sword Art Online - Volume 18, 208)

      So Kirito's plot armor is canon. Woo.

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    • Absolute yeet

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    • Well great, might as well call Plot Armor in the tabletop Incarnation now.

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    • Just explain that it's incarnation later and keep the memes right now as they are

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    • Yeah sounds good. I just realized it looked like I was being serious with my previous comment, lol.

      Also, will we add Incarnation to the rest of the keys, orrr?

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    • Kep's commenting on the calc saying it's an outlier

      Might need a CRT at this rate, though, before I do that, I'd need some stuff to back up it being not an outlier, like the casualness of lower feats and such, if it's manageable.

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    • Xmark12 wrote: Also, will we add Incarnation to the rest of the keys, orrr?

      I'll make a CRT tomorrow, since it's kind of late where I am now.

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    • DMUA wrote:

      Might need a CRT at this rate, though, before I do that, I'd need some stuff to back up it being not an outlier, like the casualness of lower feats and such, if it's manageable.

      Hm... What about magnitudes 1 & 2?

      Edit: Oh, and if you ever need scans, I can always sniff some out.

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    • Calc went down to lower down MSS, so we shouldn't have to worry nearly as much.

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    • Alright.

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    • Bruh the animation was friggin on point with this episode. As an animator myself, GODDAM I love how much time and effort the staff at A-1 put into the animation of the episode. They must have put their best animators here, unlike last episode (though that was good too).

      Also, light dodging feat bois. Let's get that calced.

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    • Wait it's already out before 10?

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    • Yeah.

      Also new things should be added to the profiles.

      Kirito's intelligence being boosted a bit via immense knowledge and elastic memory (since this episode proved that he could remember stuff like type of metal at a glance within seconds). This is likely via his experience at both the Sword Academy and fighting for his life in enemy lines constantly in Sword Art Online (unlike other Players, he was always gathering information and heading out into dangerous territory nobody else would dare go to. That's how his Battle Healing Skill is so high).

      Quinella has resurrection via reviving the two kids and a buncha other people, though it can have harmful side effects on whoever it's used on.

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    • I still don't get why Kirito would be the only guy to be stupid but eh plot

      Right.

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    • Tbf there were other Players like that. It's just that those who did do those kinds of things either died or are rarely referenced.

      Remember, if you die in the game you die for real. No normal person, like a regular citizen in the real world, would go out and risk their lives that much. It's practically suicide, especially solo. That's why most people are in Guilds, to increase their chances of survival.

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    • Also from reddit by the way to clarify Eugeo's anger:

      <Some of you might wonder, why is Eugeo so *angry* all the sudden in the past few episodes?

      This is unfortunately a huge chunk of missed characterization. I will attempt to summarize my own interpretation of Eugeo's development, sort of spoilers ahead.

      Eugeo is, to a degree, plagued by guilt, ever since he was young.

      It's not just because he watched Alice taken away from him, but even before that.

      He comes from a family of farmers, but remember what his "duty" was? Tree cutting.

      His family expected an extra pair of helping hands, but Eugeo cannot fufil that, thus shunning him, even though his entire salary from tree cutting goes to his family.

      When he left the village with Kirito, naturally, his family receives no further additional salary from Eugeo's work. Eugeo thus aspired to become an integrity knight to one day recompense his family.

      But ever since he cut Humbert's arm off, that goes down the drain as well.

      In short, Eugeo no longer sees himself on a "righteous path".

      What's worse, in Cardinal's library, Eugeo spent quite some time reading over history books.

      This is not just because he is a studious history nerd, but he wanted to know something.

      Eugeo wanted to know that, in the recorded history of the Human society, has there been any "criminals" like him, and what path lies ahead of them.

      No such record exists.

      Effectively, Eugeo sees himself as the first criminal.

      Eugeo sees himself as *a monster*.

      He no longer can expect to live a normal life, even after getting Alice's memories back.

      Thats the first part of Eugeo's characterization.

      The second part, after the encounter in the last episode with Deuselbert, he views the church and the integrity knights as wicked beings who twist and manipulates peoples. As a result, he resolves to swing his sword with anger.

      However, Fanatio was not what he expected. Her convictions are to maintain the society's peace and order, her actions are that of justice. Because, if Kirito and Eugeo does win in the end, the human society may very well be thrown into chaos.

      Eugeo struggles to accept that there can be justice within the church, thus his line.

      "how can you possibly act in the name of justice" (the sub translation is a bit weird)

      So yeah. In summary: A-1 cut out even more important stuff from the light novels.

      Eh, at least the animation was good.

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    • Poor eugeo.

      They also cut out when kirito got hit by a bunch of beams all over his body. He only got hit by like 3

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    • Motherforker

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    • Damn. Eugeo got cut more than he should've.

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    • Made the Incarnation CRT for everybody having it.

      https://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:2606819

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    • Should Kirito's age be changed? Because he spent around 11 years as a child with Eugeo in the Underworld.

      14 at the beginning of the Aincrad arc (SAO), 16 at the end of Aincrad arc (SAO) & the beginning of the Fairy Dance arc (ALO), 17 in the Phantom Bullet arc (GGO), New Aincrad (ALO), & the Ordinal Scale movie (OS), 17 physically, 28 mentally Beginning of Alicization (BoA; Spent 11 years as a child in Underworld with Eugeo and Alice), 30 mentally End of Alicization (EoA) after having his Star King (SK) memories wiped), around 230 as Star King Kirito

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    • He doesn't remember living as a child with Eugeo and Alice. It's fine as is.

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    • Alright.

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    • I have two gifs of kirito dodging the light from fantio if anybody needs them

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    • I could use it, probably.

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    • ... just watched the episode

      I think it might legit just be aimdodging for the most part

      I mean, he does dodge one from midair, but I'm actually surprised they keep it to aimdodging and something actual humans could pull off

      Unlike certain things from Gun Gale

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    • Hue

      But yeah, I guess that's a nice touch.

      Also gonna add the Switch Outside System Skill and some OuSS that other characters should have.

      I'm not gonna add Instinct and Precognition just yet, since we gotta confirm that those are actual... y'know, precognition.

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    • Still though, Kirito does move at comparable speed to the laser, so it should count to use projectile dodging.

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    • So, I read the final chapters of Volume 1 of SAO, and there's some things that should be added or changed.

      First is that the whole Heathcliff needing System Overassist to keep up with Kirito is completely bullshit. Apparently he just got caught off guard in their first duel and was overconfident. In their second duel Kirito states that Heathcliff was faster than him, blocking all of Kirito's sword strikes at a speed he couldn't see. He never needed System Overassist in the beginning, and in fact was toying with Kirito throughout the entirety of the final battle. Heathcliff should have At least Hypersonic+ combat speed and the reaction weakness removed.

      Kirito used the entirety of the Eclipse in his 2nd fight with Heathcliff as well, so that should be fixed on the profile.

      Also Kirito and Asuna definitely had Incarnation during those final scenes, since it states Asuna broke through admin paralysis through sheer willpower, and Kirito delayed death long enough to stab Heathcliff in the chest.

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    • Sweet smell of soloing RWBY

      Whatdayamean it's loaded with 8-Bs and there are some High 7-Cs

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    • Warning: Major Spoilers for Unital Ring and Argo. Don't click unless you really wanna know.

      It's been confirmed that Unital Ring is a game (Survival MMO to be exact, «VRMMOSVG») formed by «The Seed» program by fusing all other VRMMO games. Kirito, again, starts completely from scratch like in the Underworld.

      Argo is in Unital Ring, and meets Kirito in real life (supposedly).

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    • Kuroiha wrote:

      If Argo wasn't in it, not even God could save that book.

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    • That's nice.


      Also shouldn't kirito have a wall key. He broke jail bars with one swing

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    • HyperNepsy wrote:

      Also shouldn't kirito have a wall key. He broke jail bars with one swing

      That's already the middle of Alicization key. Apparently breaking Priority 38 chains and bringing down jail bars in the Axiom Church makes you 8-C+.

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    • Oh

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    • Also I need acceptence the following things so that they may be added to the profiles:

      Precognition and Instinct being added and judged whether they're actual precognition or not.

      All SAO characters being able to use Outside System Skills in real life since it's not guided by the system (Most shown through Kirito vs Eiji, using something akin to Hypersense in the fight, especially with the whole smoke section where Eiji's giving his entire speech).

      Edit: Added the Heathcliff updates.

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    • The new episode dropped and god the faces kirito made, They were hilarious.


      Also poor eugeo again

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    • Updated the OP

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    • Euguo is just literally me sometimes

      "We can't let her die"

      "She literally tried to murder you this is a war what are you doing you dandy fork"

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    • People can change for the better boio. She's also not a bad person. No Intrgrity Knight is a bad person. They're all just misguided. Would you kill a perfectly good person and not at least try to get them to see an alternative path?

      I'm with Kirito. Even though it would be easier to kill them, there are major ramifications to taking a life that could have been used to secure good and peace.

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    • I would if it's a war.

      Yeah, they're all people. That's why you must have respect, not sadism, when you kill them.

      But in a war when people fight with their lives, people lose. If what you're doing is really right, you shouldn't have to compensate for things like this.

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    • That's taking the easy way out. People change if you just give them another chance.

      You also didn't reply to my other points. There are compromises. These are good people, it would be a waste to kill them.

      In addition, let's bring this to a logical standpoint, if the Integrity Knights die, who will protect the human realm? All humans can't kill because it would disobey the Taboo Index, and only Integrity Knights can kill.

      You'd literally be shooting the entire human empire in the foot if you kill the Integrity Knights. It's stated later on not even Quinella can take care of the dark territory alone, so if you kill her too, who will defend the human empire? Killing is the easy way out, and it's short sighted and not looking at the bigger picture and planning ahead.

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    • But he didn't do it for the logical standpoint, and he sure wasn't initially supplied for it. Just because his actions happen to have a good outcome doesn't mean that it is a justified in intent. He wanted to take an unnecessary risk, potentially botching the entire mission, over one unfortunate casualty.

      And if it didn't happen Cardinal had a bunch ready for usage, that wouldn't be a compromise. He'd have saved one person over letting an entire empire continue with it's tyranny. That was short sighted of him. Of course, so was Cardinal not telling him about having more supplies and trying to make sure they had enough forces to defend the human empire, but his plan's success was luck, not foresight.

      It worked out now, but what happens when he has to choose what to save? Is he going to just take what's the easy way out for his psyche?

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    • He literally stated his goal in the last episode is to spare everyone inside and let everyone there live happy lives. That "one casualty" could also cause them millions of lives in the future (in fact it would've if Kirito killed her there since she's a major part of the War of Underworld). It would be a waste to have a good human soul die, someone that could help in the future.

      There's a reason why violence fuels more violence. There's a reason why Ghandi's, MLKJ's, and Chavez's campaigns were advocating peace than violence. More negativity does not cancel out negativity like in math.

      There's tons of layers here. This is literally a world where willpower dictates everything. As long as he has enough will, he can save everybody. It's one of the themes of SAO. Also Cardinal can't just make things pop out of thin air like Quinella can. She's limited to things in her library (which is also skipped from the anime). To make something, she has to remove something else, so that means she has limited supplies.

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    • Yeah, but what happens when your own soul is wasted? Then what good have you really done? In trying to see two sides of things, it makes you forget your own.

      That's why you never kill because of hatred. Hate indeed will not bring peace. But, that's why you should not strike with hatred. None of those people needed to kill anyone to change people's minds, and even when they were in a society where laws exist to make sure anarchy does not commence, they took a lot of pain, and indeed, one of those men died for what they believed in. But here, in a fight, dying doesn't spread a message about how people are suffering. It just means defeat.

      But, is not the underworld, and everything in VR, a reflection of our own world distorted to a designer's views? Sure, in RATH's world, Willpower can stop bleeding, can give you the power to do something you shouldn't... but that's the thing. You shouldn't be able to do this. It's why it's fantastic. In our world, you don't get to just unleash your magic "undo mentality lol" dagger to change someone's mind. That's mostly my problem with his mindset, it dissolves when in water.

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    • That sounds extremely narrow minded. You don't just forget your own side, is there proof of that?

      Dying could mean a lot of things. The ramifications it could bring, the people that could suffer because of that death, the people that would come after the person that killed their loved one. Death also does not bring peace. Most of the time, it just leads to divided nations and hatred for the other side at the highest level, and sadness at the lowest level.

      That's one of the themes of the SAO series: to show that the virtual world is DIFFERENT than the real world; where events such as unity and peace can be achieved when in real life it would be more than that. I'm arguing that this is all possible in VR. It could be possible in reality too, like with MLKJ and the other peace/equal rights activists, but I'm still arguing that because VR is fantasy and the rules/physics/laws of the world are different, real life principles may not be the best way to go in these situations.

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    • Well, Kirito thinks that saving some random person is better then saving his stuff for when he needs it, for one. Maybe forget is the wrong term, but rather what I mean to say is "lose sight of"

      Yet, World War 3 hasn't happened from us killing a ton of germans and them killing a ton of other europeans. Why? Because we weren't just violent and aggressive like the end of World War 1, where that would be valid. We had to solve the war with violence, in fact, we even dropped 2 weapons of mass destruction to force people to surrender, but we didn't do it because we hated them. We had a job to do, we carried it out, and when it was done, we rebuilt everyone, friends and foes. We didn't continue a cycle of hate because what we did wasn't of hatred.

      Then it's not very triumphant is it? To succeed in a world built for success? If you think about it like that... it really defuses the conflict, actually. What does it matter taking these ideas into a virtual world when they hold no true weight?

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    • I'm pretty sure there was a looot of hatred for Germans and Japanese after WW2, and they were still treated like crap afterwards.

      We haven't had WW3 yet because we know the casualties would be on a massive scale, considering, well, a lot of people died during WW2. We simply learned better and just not want to go to another war considering what said world war could bring. 

      It's different from reality where war rarely has two sides end in a draw. You can still use the ideas from the real world as a guideline but you should just know that a virtual world is different. War and violence against others of our own kind still obviously has true weight and meaning behind it, but I'm talking about how there could be even more options in the virtual world to defuse conflict than in the real world.

      There's plenty of conflict that could happen in the virtual world as well; everyday problems we face in the real world as well as new conflicts only the virutal world can muster up. That's why fiction is such a great thing to think about: anything can happen in it. Real life rules don't apply or don't have to apply.

      Geez, our thinking can't be any different now that I think about it. You're really conservative huh.

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    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNMRm7jZNy0

      Also I want to post Gamerturk's videos from now on comparing the light novels and anime.

      There's quiiite a bit of stuff missing from this episode.

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    • Yeah, but they didn't fight for hatred, so hatred didn't persist. They hated Nazis because they had to fight them to protect what the love, they didn't fight Nazis because they hated them.

      Then the cycle ended, didn't it?

      But the problem is that these ideas echo into the real world. The virtual world is different, but not to Kirito. In the infamous words of Starkiller, they're real to him. Kirito doesn't do what he does because he can, he does it because he thinks it's what he should do. And I disagree with that idea that he holds.

      They could be plenty more different if you were really liberal ovo

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    • I'm pretty sure a lot of people believed Nazis were scum. It was both.

      I never argued for a cycle in the first place, but yeah it did for the reasons I said above.

      Different ideals for different people. The difference is Kirito went through an actual death game and a bunch of other life and death situations and obtained that mindset, while we never went through that and can only base our opinions/ideals on what we know, not what we've experienced.

      Also I'm moderate leaning towards liberal, soo.

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    • Oi. How skilled is Os kirito?

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    • Skilled enough to figure out attack patterns (even with entire groups of people) in seconds, as seen when he fought the four Whirling Blades in the light novel (something that was also cut out of the anime). 

      He has childhood kendo experience + a few extra weeks of kendo experience via Suguha, swordsmanship experience via being in Sword Art Online fighting for his life against monsters and players alike for 2 years and the swordsmanship academy in Centoria for a year.

      There's a bunch of others I can probably throw in there, but I think it's best to just look at Kirito's intelligence section in his profile.

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    • @Xmark12

      May I add some images of gameverse Kirito in your Sandbox?

      You can delete them if you dislike them.

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    • Sure

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    • Alright, thanks.

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    • I added all the other Gameverse!Kirito pics.

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    • oh damn. Y'all should of told me y'all were doing gameverse!Kirito

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    • Jesus Christ that's a lot of stuff.

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    • Here's what I got from all those pictures:

      Statistics Amplification via... a lot of Skills; Forcefield Creation via Physical Barrier; Power Nullification via a lot of Skills; Resistance to physical damage (dunno if this will be accepted or not), paralysis, poison, bleeding, stuns, binding and lethargy, spiritual and physical debuffs; Instinctive Reaction (dunno if this will also be accepted or not, considering Kirito just instantly counterattacks back after an attack); Attack Reflection; Absorption (absorbs damage); Probability Manipulation (? Dunno about this either, since it says an attack will never miss); aggro increase/decrease (dunno how this works in an actual battle); Life Steal; Durability Negation; Impossible to see when enemies use sound or sight when sneaking (Invisibility? Stealth Mastery? Sense manip?); And finally Status Effect Inducement via a loooot of Skills.

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    • Input?

      (Also I think it's pretty safe to add the Outside System Skills to their irl keys)

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    • Seems fine to me.

      Didn't Nep post something regarding Kirito resisting timestop?

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    • Oh yeah, that too.

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    • The "Impossible to see" thing is most likely Invisibility and Stealth Mastery combined.

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    • I will go through each image individually tomorrow and compare them with what you listed.

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    • Okay, it seems good.

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    • Can we change Klein's quote to this


      "I know its a trap....I'm not... stupid. But even if it is a trap, even if I know its a trap. I don't care, I can't just turn my back on someone if they need help. Even if... even if it means Arum is gonna get destroyed. If I have a chance to save someone, then dammit I WILL, cause thats what being a samurai is all about!"

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    • Eeeh, I dunno about that.

      In other news though apparently everyone that can use Incarnation effectively are able to do telekinesis (from what I've seen of it so far in the novels it's only to call back weapons). It's called an Inarnation Arm.

      Edit: Apparently from the description it's more like an invisible arm, so something similar to Lucy's vectors or Re:Zero's unseen hands.

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    • Eugeo used it to get the blue rose sword from kirito

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    • ^

      Yep.

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    • Kirito deflected attacks from PoH using tk swords, iirc, prior to tree gg.

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    • Yep, Incarnation Blades.

      So basically Incarnation allows the user to create invisible or intangible objects like hands or swords via imagination.

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    • Invisible swords would be a good thing to use against people without enhanced senses

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    • Episode 17.

      Also DMUA, Kirito just threw some logic on why he's sparing the Integrity Knights in this episode, just so you know.

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    • I'm going to take the wild guess of saying that he's just attaching something to something he did for an illogical reason

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    • Check for yourself.

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    • Next episode spoilers. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

      Chibi 13
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    • And also, weekly Gamerturk explained video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C0eOFgmGo0

      And he also brings up important point that could be added to the profiles:

      All Underworld characters have virtually unlimited stamina at the cost of losing their Life when they're tired enough.

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    • Oh, the English dub for alicization was announced for toonami.

      Oof people are already bashing on it cause it's "sao"

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    • Also isn't it stated many times in VR you can't get physically tired but you can get mentally tired?

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    • VR doesn't have a physical aspect, since your body is cut off from the brain.

      That said, yeah, your avatar can't get tired since the game doesn't simulate that, and iirc, it's been shown with Kirito grinding day after day with as little rest as he can go without his shutting down completely.

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    • So unlimited just like NPCs?

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    • Copy and pasting this from the CRT:

      I've gone through the scans and deduced that the SAO wiki is absolute crap.

      Or at least spreading some misinformation.

      Precognition isn't actually precognition, as shown here:

      there’s the «precognition» that comes with the position of the sword and the avatar’s center of gravity, the «insight» that can predict the attack patterns of monsters from long range and through the attack pattern, the «Distinguish» that allows players distinguish the enemy’s sound effects from the background sound and find them, the «mislead» to lure the AI monsters’ learning capacity and give it a heavy burden, the «switch» that allows multiple players to switch positions and allow them to recover their HP. And amongst these skills that weren’t listed in the ability column, the hardest skill to get, and even treated as a supernatural one was the «presence sense»—also called «Hypersense».

      So we can discard precognition actually being precognition, though it'd still be nice to add on everyone's profiles who can use Outside System Skills.

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    • I've only added Incarnation to Kirito and Asuna for now, since they're the only two outside of the Underworld that has Incarnation feats (Asuna via getting out of admin paralysis through sheer will, and Kirito via... everything).

      I know it would theoretically work for every other player, but they never showed feats of Incarnation, so I'm just being safe.

      Edit: Also I still need a concensus on whether or not we should add Outside System Skills to the characters' irl keys.

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    • Episode 18 has dropped and the OP is edited.

      Edit: We also get a first time look at the "Incarnation Arm" this episode, where Bercouli's picking up his Time Piercing Sword.

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    • Also shouldn't hollow realization kirito be unknown since there's 1000 floors?

      https://youtu.be/82JXRPzLC10

      Edit: and shouldn't the 100th floor boss for hollow fragment be comparable to the canon one?

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    • Eeehh, not sure. We should find solid feats. He's already Unknown though.

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    • Alright. Also is there a scan for incarnation increasing the chances of winning a fight and warping reality?

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    • Should be in volume 10 and/or 11.

      Also nothing really notable in ep. 18.5, so not changing the OP till next ep.

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    • Should I begin changing the characters' stamina ratings now to Limitless physically (All VR avatars, including NPCs, cannot get physically tired), then however much willpower they have mentally?

      Because they could still get mentally tired, just not physically.

      Also in the Underworld your Life will deplete if your avatar is exhausted, even though they still have technically infinite stamina still.

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    • Sure

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    • Kirito sipping tea
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    • When are we making underworld pages for everybody else

      Also can I make a silica page 👀

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    • When I'm not busy with schoolwork.

      Also you can. I'll correct any mistakes when you're done.

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    • 972B6AC2-82B2-435E-9DF7-C7316230EFAE
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    • A few seconds later, the entire room is covered in ice and Guts is in a forking cube of the stuff

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    • ^

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    • Gets into her Berserker armor

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    • >her

      Also legit can you don't

      Like, fiction is not meant to give you a constant addiction to spiting people

      While I'm mostly understanding of the normal Kirito, Alictization is, dare I say, good, and you should actually give it a shot.

      Mother's Forking Basement is apparently having second thoughts about Reki Kawahara has a whole thanks to it, so I think it would fix your attitude up real quick if you dived into it.

      Of course there's also SAO Abridged, which is the work of the divine Lords, Something Witty Entertainment

      Just to give you a sliver of the idea of how good it is, here's the original SAO scene of Kirito standing on a bridge, and here's "My Numbers are Bigger then yours"

      Yeah.

      I'd recommend you watch it. It'll save you a lot of energy if you don't have to deal with burning hatred of a literal drawing.

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    • Updated OP.

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    • Feels bad man

      Eugeo :(

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    • 2453974D-D43B-49A1-9CD1-469C5BADE8AD

      Look

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    • Where's this from?

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    • Sao girls op

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    • Ty, and updated OP.

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    • Another scan "Arcane skills are the strongest sword skills in exsistance and can deal the greatest amount of damage"

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    • Updated OP.

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    • Today's fight was great up until Euguo just kinda went "Freeze GG"

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    • Administrator though.

      Lewd gudako
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    • I'm still thinking about how Euguo could have stabbed the thot first time around and made the pacing go at the speed of A-1

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    • The new opening doe.

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    • I actually like how it's mostly just an edit of the last one

      You appreciate how minor changes make things work better after you hear the story of Star Wars being saved in the edit

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    • New render (Courtesy of me) of Middle of Alicization Kirito (with his newer coat instead of his Swordsman-in-Training outfit). Imo this should be added as an alt pic of his MoA key:
      AnimeJapan 2019 Kirito goods visual
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    • Sure. It looks better than the current image, imo.

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    • EB1B7FEB-B566-4DE0-85A8-D97DDA2C99A6
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    • That scene felt really off to me. It's not bad, but, it's weird that he swapped attire with no explanation (Inb4 "BUH THE LIGHTNOVEL SAYS" even though adaptions are supposed to keep the experience in tact and I'm pointing out a hole in that goal's fulfillment on A1's part) and then spent like a good many seconds charging up an attack as the senator just kinda sat there looking at him. Which is a standard anime thing but, not for this show.

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    • Now see, many light novel readers say this episode is rushed. If you really want an explanation, I can either give scans or give you the reddit link to the anime discussion, which describes stuff that was missed too.

      Or I can give the link to Gamerturk's video, which can explain everything better than I ever could.

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    • Yeah, the fight itself felt short in every other aspect then that one attack

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    • So which option do you want? Scans (no explanation other than the internal monologue of Kirito), Reddit's explanation (text), or Gamerturk's explanation (a video)?

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    • yes

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    • Updated OP

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    • Euguo T-Posing should be our next meme of the OP

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    • And so it is written.

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    • I legit couldn't stop laughing when Euguo started doing that

      Just in the middle of this hyper tense situation and he starts T-Posing so he can assert Object Authority

      Also thank fork Kirito actually got off his rear end as Alice was piccoloing infront of him cause that scene just had me going "DON'T YE FORKING DARE KIRITO YOU DANDY FORK"

      I wasn't happy with Kirito's screwed up priorities anyways (You have a wife man stop getting hung up over the idea of abandoning your fluctlight bros)

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    • Added a new source in OP: Gamerturk's explained video on the episode.

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    • Can we add a sword key to eugeo (The sword he turned into)

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    • That's situational and was only possible via an outside force (Cardinal), soo...

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    • Rip

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