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  • WHAT AM I DOING?!

    Yes, you read that correctly, this is a DB vs SS match, and for the record, I am aware that this is banned, but I would like to point out that I am the first and so far only one to make a Saint Seiya vs DB match that actually got concluded https://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:1232402?useskin=oasis

    So, let's hope this goes well.

    3B versions for both and Speed is Equal.

    Close this the moment you feel it isn't going well.

    Fusion Zamasu:

    Capricorn Shura:

    Incon: 4

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    • Lolreactiveevolution

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    • Regeneration (Mid-Godly; Beerus states that Hakai wouldn't kill him. Given that Goku was erasing him, he must be able to regenerate from it)



      ...

      What?

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    • Zamasu for having better hax (shocking for a DB character to have better hax then a SS character)

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    • Genericstickman wrote: Zamasu for having better hax (shocking for a DB character to have better hax then a SS character)

      Better Hax isn't a reason

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    • Lol...

      Shura can't negate Zamasu's regen. What's the AP difference?

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    • Inconclusive. Shura tries to atomize Zamasu. He regenerates and stomps Shura to oblivion. Then he ressurects..etc

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    • ZacharyGrossman273 wrote:
      Regeneration (Mid-Godly; Beerus states that Hakai wouldn't kill him. Given that Goku was erasing him, he must be able to regenerate from it)


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      What?

      Hakai erases soul and  body if u can come back from that, that's mid godly

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    • On to the next Zamasu vs Seiya match =P

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    • I'm iffy about Zamasu's Mid-Godly.

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    • If somebody can regen from soul and body destruction, then it's mid godly.

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    • Beerus also stated in the manga, that Hakai cannot kill Zamasu. And I'm sure he's not bluffing, since he's himself a Hakai user.

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    • That sounds more like resistance to existence erasure than straight up mid godly

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    • ZacharyGrossman273 wrote: That sounds more like resistance to existence erasure than straight up mid godly

      <Resistance to Erasure

      <Got erased

      What?!

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    • By Goku =P

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    • Zamasu wasn't (completely) resistant to EE. He had luck, that he was able to regenerate half of his body from the Hakai technique. I think his regen is between "Mid-High" and "Low-Godly" with a possibility of "Mid-Godly".

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    • Gargoyle One wrote:

      <Resistance to Erasure

      <Got erased

      What?!

      Zamasu was never successfully erased:

      He was afraid of dying multiple times throughout the battle, and Goku tried to hakai him, but Zamasu (in which situation, he was shitting himself, afraid of dying) stopped him.

      The only reason he supposedly has Mid-Godly is that Beerus said that he could not have killed an immortal (which contradicts basically everything).

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    • When has Zamasu been erased completely and came back?

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    • Never.

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    • DMB 1 wrote:
      Gargoyle One wrote:

      <Resistance to Erasure

      <Got erased

      What?!

      Zamasu was never successfully erased:

      He was afraid of dying multiple times throughout the battle, and Goku tried to hakai him, but Zamasu (in which situation, he was shitting himself, afraid of dying) stopped him.

      The only reason he supposedly has Mid-Godly is that Beerus said that he could not have killed an immortal (which contradicts basically everything).

      There are... many things wrong with this.

      First, Zamasu was never afraid of the Hakai after he gained immortality.

      Goku's hakai actually SUCCEEDED if you didn't notice, but Zamasu simply regenerated from it. Just because you can regenerate from something doesn't mean it can't be a traumatic experience. If I can grow back my arm in a second, it doesn't change the fact that having it sliced off really really hurts. 

      Beerus, a God of Destruction and someone who basically spams Hakai, says he could not kill Zamasu. It doesn't contradict anything mind you. It just goes to show Zamasu does indeed have Mid-Godly.

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    • If My armgets atomized, and I regenerate it from my body, that doesn't give me High regen.

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    • DMB 1 wrote:
      If My armgets atomized, and I regenerate it from my body, that doesn't give me High regen.

      The Mid-Godly feat comes from Beerus saying he can't hakai Zamasu. Goku, mind you, is only learning the Hakai right now and as he's still not a GoD Candidate, There is little evidence to prove that Goku's Hakai is even at the level of Beerus' yet.

      Plus, you've also yet to provide any statements or evidence that Beerus being unable to kill Zamasu contradicts "Basically everything".

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    • How is Shura supposed to kill a mid godly regenerator?

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    • Inconclusive. Shura can't bypass mid godly, but Zamasu can't stop the ressurections. They bludgeon each other until they get bored, then get tacos.

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    • Everybody loves tacos. Incon FRA.

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    • incon fra

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    • Wait a minute.

      Beerus profile

      Void Manipulation via Energy of Destruction Aura, Can breathe in space, Cannot be sensed by beings lesser than a "God", Can sense killing intent, Able to completely erase beings or objects from existence, Can harm intangible beings and destroy souls,

      Zeno profile

      Void Manipulation (Can erase people, objects and entire universes by raising his hand), 



      Unless I am missing something between the two. Even though Zeno has a higher advantage in erasing beings with a flick of a wrist over Hakai. How does Zamasu have mid-godly when Zeno still erased him?

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    • Zeno can erase mid godly peeps

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    • Vsbattle Regeneration page states

      Mid-Godly: The ability to regenerate even after being completely erased from existence, including mind, body, and soul.

      Zamasu clearly stated if Goku would have gotten off the Hakai, he would have won.

      He was going to lose








      Plus, aren't Dragon Ball souls the sizes of mini clouds? It was never specified where the soul is located in the body. Goku just erased a quarter of Zamasu body not completely erased.

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    • Did Beerus say he couldn’t Hakai Zamasu or he couldn’t kill Zamasu? Because it makes a massive difference.

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    • Beerus said Hakai wouldn't kill him. It clearly works as Goku proved, so the only way for Zamasu to survive would be to regenerate.

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    • Inconclusive FRA

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    • Beerus can&#039;t kill him
      Small Cameo, he can't kill an immortal

      in my opinion, it's type 4

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    • So why we are assuming that Zamasu's Mid-Godly regen is something combat applicable?

      His Mid regen is fast, neat, that doesn't mean that his Mid-Godly is anywhere near that

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    • Hakai and Killing are two different methods.

      Thank you The Causality 

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    • Isn't the Hakai Beerus's most lethal move? It wouldn't make sense for him to say that about someone that Hakai works on.

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    • I also vote for Incon cuz of reasons above

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    • ...as things stand, I will also vote inconclusive FRA.

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    • This is concluded

      Feel free to remove once Mid Godly gets settled

      Or don't add it IDK

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    • incon fra

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    • Shura punches him one and incaps because Zamasu has no showings of combat applicable Mid-Godly

      That's my vote as long as someone doesn't prove that the Mid-Godly works fast enough

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    • meh incon FRA

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    • IDK if Kal is saying "Stomp" or legit voting

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    • I'm saying that Shura curbs if my "vote" is accurate.

      And i'm asking others to prove me wrong, if they can

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    • If Mid Godly is gone, Shura Stomp, Excalibur Negate Low Godly Regen add this with the Saint OP Stuff and you have a Stomp

      Mugen Zamasu has the AP but not enough here

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    • So in the end DB will never have a fair match against Saint Seiya.

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    • I'm personally neutral about Godly Zamasu, a separate thread seem needed

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    • Axl233 wrote: So in the end DB will never have a fair match against Saint Seiya.

      Future Warrior's Incon against Seiya is still on his page

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    • just wait for Xenoverse 3 where FW fights Zamalu and gets high godly

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    • Kaltias wrote:
      Shura punches him one and incaps because Zamasu has no showings of combat applicable Mid-Godly

      That's my vote as long as someone doesn't prove that the Mid-Godly works fast enough

      He regenerated from any injury he took instantly, though he never did from a complete EE.

      Zeno killed him because he erased him alongside the entire timeline.

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    • Yes but the worst thing that he regenerated from required Mid regen.

      Saying that he can regenerate from EE just as fast is like saying that I can completely heal a broken leg in a matter of hours because my body takes a similar amount of time to fix a papercut

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    • Kaltias wrote:
      Yes but the worst thing that he regenerated from required Mid regen.

      Saying that he can regenerate from EE just as fast is like saying that I can completely heal a broken leg in a matter of hours because my body takes a similar amount of time to fix a papercut

      Beerus said he can't Hakai Zamasu. Ignoring statements isn't going to get anyone anywhere here. It's like saying the worst thing we see a Low-Godly Regenerator survive is a Mid-High feat, so therefore their regeneration is only Mid-High even though we have many statements that he only requires a soul to come back. 

      With Goku, we see that hakai is still able to affect Zamasu's body.

      Therefore; we can infer that Zamasu could've still regenerated even if his soul and body was destroyed (Hence, Mid-Godly). 

      Also in the above, that Manga panel never stated Goku would've won if he got off the Hakai. Zamasu simply said that "I can't believe I have to use crude method to achieve victory". He was surprised that Goku knew the Hakai and that he had to rely on his regeneration to win, not that he would've completely lost if the Hakai hit. 

      "Kaltias 

      Shura punches him one and incaps because Zamasu has no showings of combat applicable Mid-Godly

      That's my vote as long as someone doesn't prove that the Mid-Godly works fast enough"

      There's no evidence it isn't combat applicable. Hakai doesn't work on Zamasu, period. BUT we see that he's still visibly affected by the EE. Therefore, he isn't resistance to EE but can still regenerate from it. We have statements Hakai doesn't work on Zamasu as he'd simply come back. 

      And even then, I'd have to ask everyone that's saying his regen is not combat applicable to provide any timeframe of when it'd be applicable or how it's not combat applicable.

      We have fairly simple statements of Hakai not working and Goku trying the Hakai and Zamasu not resisting it, proving that he isn't resistant and it's in fact the regeneration. If Zamasu took more than a day to regenerate from a Hakai, why couldn't Goku go back in time, learn the Hakai more to mastery and just spam it on Zamasu each time he regenerated for more time for say, Vegeta to learn Mafuuba?

      For any arguments of "Why did Goku use Hakai on Zamasu then?", I'd respond with:

      It's better to try it than to realize it would've worked later. Sure you're told it doesn't work, doesn't mean you can't try it out first. And it's your ultimate move basically. You're likely going to die anyways if you don't do anything.

      I agree with the person way above. This treatment seriously only ever happens to Dragon Ball. "Good hax? Nah it must not be possible". Not throwing shade but what's with all the questioning? If this was any other verse, this would fly by as combat applicable no problem. 

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    • >Beerus said he can't Hakai Zamasu.

      Yeah that's why he has the "-Godly" in front of "Mid".

      >Therefore; we can infer that Zamasu could've still regenerated even if his soul and body was destroyed (Hence, Mid-Godly).

      Of course

      >There's no evidence it isn't combat applicable. Hakai doesn't work on Zamasu, period. BUT we see that he's still visibly affected by the EE. Therefore, he isn't resistance to EE but can still regenerate from it. We have statements Hakai doesn't work on Zamasu as he'd simply come back.

      And? Burden of proof is on you to prove that it's combat applicable. I don't have to disprove a negative.

      "We have fairly simple statements of Hakai not working and Goku trying the Hakai and Zamasu not resisting it, proving that he isn't resistant and it's in fact the regeneration. If Zamasu took more than a day to regenerate from a Hakai, why couldn't Goku go back in time, learn the Hakai more to mastery and just spam it on Zamasu each time he regenerated for more time for say, Vegeta to learn Mafuuba?"

      Because you are making up an extremely specific case that wasn't even vaguely hinted at in canon?

      Post a statement or a feat of "Zamasu can regenerate in less than a day". You are extrapolating things to a hilarious degree.

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    • It's late so I may not be remembering properly, but he was in blobs of gush and blood so it's Low-High at least, nothing sizable enough to be a finger. At least not from the drawings. 

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    • I mean, okay.

      That's still not remotely comparable to regenerating body, mind and soul at once. He can? Sure. But that's not evidence saying that he does it fast

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    • Kaltias wrote:
      I mean, okay.

      That's still not remotely comparable to regenerating body, mind and soul at once. He can? Sure. But that's not evidence saying that he does it fast

      Actually it indirectly does.

      Goku using Hakai on Zamasu and never attempting it again is a silent statement. If Hakai can keep Zamasu down for any form of extended periods of time, why wouldn't Goku at least attempt it again after it failed once? It's not like he's got anything more to lose even if he has a high chance of failing the technique. Zamasu is likely going to kill him anyways.

      We see how fast Goku can regenerate his Stamina first hand in the ToP, even regenerating stamina at points while fighting somehow. Yet Goku never considered that if he does manage to get a Hakai off and Zamasu stays down for what, 5 minutes, he'd be better off than before at least. Heck, if not him then Vegeta who was just watching Goku try to perform the Hakai and could stand to benefit 2+ more minutes of rest?

      Beerus saying hakai can't kill Zamasu and adding nothing to the end is also somewhat of a silent statement. You can't defeat Zamasu like this. Beerus' mild annoyance and not bothering to tell Goku anything implies that Zamasu is going to forever be an immediate problem should he be not dealt with now. If not, why wouldn't Whis just train Goku more to use Hakai better in order to buy them all more time? Better deal with Zamasu? At least Goku would be able to keep him down and allow trunks and the like to prepare a Mafuuba without zamasu down their necks. 

      The alternative situation is that Zamasu's regen is non-combat applicable and that Goku is just too dumb to try another Hakai and that Beerus neglected to mention that the Hakai is able to keep Zamasu down for any extended period of time that'd allow for Goku and the gang to recupperate and coordinate. I'd argue a couple of minutes, maybe even tens of minutes to regenerate from EE is still combat applicable since SBA says that in order for a victory to happen, Zamasu must not be a threat to the Saint for an entire day, must stay dead for an hour, or BFR for a week. Zamasu regenerating and becoming a threat in tens minutes completely negates the "Cannot be a threat" bit and everything else the Saint is basically unable to do

      Basically tl;dr for all of that is that even if Zamasu takes what, 2,3, 5 or 10 hours to regenerate, SBA says that Zamasu must not be a threat to the saint for an entire day so the regen is technically still applicable. I'd like seeing the Saint knock out Zamasu when Zamasu lacks a spinal cord to knock-out. Or a nervous system. 

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    • Didn't Belmod use hakai in the manga against some random clown girl but something looking like ashes remained? Hakai in the manga might not be able to erase it this is the case although I don't think this is the case. Otherwise inconclusive fra.

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    • https://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/File:Scream_for_Belmod.png Check this out. Still counts as erasure?

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    • u mean the fact that is just a photo representation of the technique? Beerus already proved it destroys body and soul as no soul came up in the afterlife once hakai'ed. Its just a picture representation afaik

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    • >Goku using Hakai on Zamasu and never attempting it again is a silent statement. If Hakai can keep Zamasu down for any form of extended periods of time, why wouldn't Goku at least attempt it again after it failed once? It's not like he's got anything more to lose even if he has a high chance of failing the technique. Zamasu is likely going to kill him anyways.

      It's not a silent statement at all. It's Goku not trying again with something that just failed

      >We see how fast Goku can regenerate his Stamina first hand in the ToP, even regenerating stamina at points while fighting somehow. Yet Goku never considered that if he does manage to get a Hakai off and Zamasu stays down for what, 5 minutes, he'd be better off than before at least. Heck, if not him then Vegeta who was just watching Goku try to perform the Hakai and could stand to benefit 2+ more minutes of rest?

      Yeah because Goku's character is totally "Let's remain stuck here erasing a dude for all of eternity"

      >Beerus saying hakai can't kill Zamasu and adding nothing to the end is also somewhat of a silent statement. You can't defeat Zamasu like this.

      That's called Mid-Godly

      >Beerus' mild annoyance and not bothering to tell Goku anything implies that Zamasu is going to forever be an immediate problem should he be not dealt with now.

      Yeah  that's how i'd classify a galaxy buster that reappears every day

      >If not, why wouldn't Whis just train Goku more to use Hakai better in order to buy them all more time? Better deal with Zamasu? At least Goku would be able to keep him down and allow trunks and the like to prepare a Mafuuba without zamasu down their necks. 

      Because the plot needed a way to introduce Zeno and Zamasu was that way

      >The alternative situation is that Zamasu's regen is non-combat applicable and that Goku is just too dumb to try another Hakai and that Beerus neglected to mention that the Hakai is able to keep Zamasu down for any extended period of time that'd allow for Goku and the gang to recupperate and coordinate.

      Or maybe that Goku doesn't try the same trick that just failed two times in a row

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    • Goku didn't attempt Hakai a second time, because you know Zamasu is still capable of kidnapping Mai all over again like the first time.

      By the time Mai and Trunks left the battlefield. There were like 1000 Zamasu on the field. So, Goku resorted to summoning Zeno. 

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    • Zamasu kinda kills now.

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    • How so?

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    • His new abilities put him on an advatange now.

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    • Gargoyle One wrote: How so?

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    • Yeah

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    • Duplication will pretty much guarantee that Shura wont ever stop slicing.

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    • That doesn't bypass ressurection

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    • It’s really just Incon.

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    • Does Beerus even have a hakai feat on ghosts in the manga? Then how is it Low-Godly erasure?

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    • Oh boi

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