There is too much evidence for both being high 1-B. Lifebringer scales to above the Living Tribunal, the same tribunal stated to be above the rouge beyonders who killed the previous Tribunal. Lifebringer, via revamped origin when talking to Ego, should scale to Multi-Eternity at least. We know that the purple galactus rendition we see is the incomplete galactus, based on author tweets which I have, and that he is scalable to Multi-Eternity and TLT. Why are they both 1-B/high 1-B but Lifebringer who scales above both set to 2-A/at least 2-A? The Nullifier also has reset mutli-eternity on multiple occasions even by someone as weak as Richards. This isn't even Galactus using it, but just Richards. We know the Nullifier scales off of how powerful the mind of the user is so to speak, (I could be wrong). But nevertheless we know lifebringer should be high 1-B via scaling and direct feats.
Initially, I thought Lifebringer Galactus should’ve been High 1-B, but then I found out that Orded and Chaos were buffed by The First Firmament, and even then, the death of The Living Tribunal erased the hierarchy.
Did he said that he's turning Galactus into a concept or did he just said that he is turning him into "pure chaos"?
"I will make you of an incoherent mass! A tangle of unrelated notions! I will make you Chaos itself!" Exact words from Lord Chaos. Infact that very quote has it's image posted right here in this thread.
Nevermind the breakdown of the cosmic hierarchy, shouldn't Galactus be upgraded just by virtue of being able to enter and exist in the Superflow under his own power? Other characters in the story needed help to get in, but Galactus can just enter, chill, and fight there casually. The hierarchy among them was broken, but Order and Chaos, LT and Eternity, were still multiversal abstracts in an infinite-dimensional multiverse after all.
Antvasima wrote: By that reasoning we would likely have a High 1-B spacecraft that brought the Ultimates there. Also, didn't Galactus mention that he couldn't survive there for long?
No, he was talking about the void they were in . They were outside Marvel, outside of chained up Multi-Eternity. But this is because of Miss America who has the ability to be trans-diminsional. They were all about to die and Galactus found them and saved them. Galactus was just in the (outerverse) of marvel. But none of them could perceive what was going on, so none of them are 1-B at all.
It should be mentioned That Thanos' spirit was able to survive fine within the void outside of the multiverse, that the Grandmaster sent the Challenger there, who survived for an extremely long time, and that Miss America was able to bring the Ultimates there. I do not think that this is a good gauge in itself.
If you are talking about in the ulimates, Thanos was inside of Multi-Eternity still I believe, I think I can find the comic and get the scan because I do not have that particular one readily available. The void isn't a durability feat, I was merely showing that this is Multi-Eternity and not just an M-body like Eternity.
Well, I just confirmed that I think that it seems to make sense, whereas Matthew said that people are getting ahead of themselves. I much prefer to let Matthew work at his own pace, to perform the changes properly rather than in a rushed manner.
.... Thank God I wasn't involved in this thread previously. Also, LB Galactus isn't > The Living Tribunal.... Considering the fact the Celestials equaled him outright in terms of sheer power, and considering he was stated blatantly equal to Eternity. Eternity isn't above LT... Not even in the Ultimates.
Then there is the Counter-Earth and Heroes Reborn stuff, along with Strange Tales/Fallen Stars actually being canon ... But that's a whole can of worms that won't be opened now... Just teasing at that point.
Obviously agree with LB Galactus becoming High 1-B though.
It makes sense by portrayal, even. Whenever the big abstract meetings are held with the true forms of the Living Tribunal and Death, Multi-Eternity, Infinity, and et cetera, the Celestials are also there.
Bump. There is one event I want to mention: Well-Fed Galactus vs Scrier.
Now... Normally it would be a example of 2-A... But, Oblivion did compare the destruction caused by the Chaos War to the one that Well-Fed Galactus and Scrier caused if they clashed once , even calling it a mere prelude in comparison to the Destruction . In other words, instead of destroying merely 98.26% of the Multiverse... He believes that it will destroy the whole 100% , or at least far better than before due to how he described it in comparison.
Despite the comparison to the Chaos War being called to end all Universes, please don't get confused and or immediately assumed . We know for a fact that the destruction caused in Chaos War was implied heavily of the Higher-Dimensional variety , due tot he Infinite Levels of the Multiverse statement by dear Amadeus Cho :
Now only that, but both Chaos War Hercules and Mikaboshi has High 1-B tiers for the Chaos War at their absolute [ Chaos King and Supergod ] . For Well-Fed Galactus and Scrier to be far above the level of destruction caused by the Chaos War, they need to be High 1-B .This would scale to anyone who fought Well-Fed Galactus, including the Mad Celestials, Child and Adult FR.
BTW, Hickman revealed that Child Franklin revived Well-Fed Galactus, not Adult FR. He stated that ' the Adult only used the ball's energy Child FR saved up to revive Well-Fed Galactus, meaning the energy he used to make Galactus his herald was Child FR's, which is consistent with what happened in the Abraxas Arc, because he does the exact same thing. The energy Adult FR had on his own he used to fight the Mad Celestials He still scales via beating down the Mad Celestials . Now, if this doesn't get accepted, I'm moving on to the bigger guns I have saved up but planned on revealing much later in case the upgrade didn't get accepted .
Well, it is a valid point, although to me it also sounds like a potential characteristic massive Marvel inconsistency, given that well-fed Galactus is generally not portrayed at anywhere near a High 1-B level, but again, I am not the best at attempting to straighten out the Marvel powerscaling, so it depends on what Matthew thinks.
Considering the next scan after the Multiverse of Infinite Levels says All Possible Worlds/Universes, I would say both have the same problem. Same thing with Strange Tales/ Man-Thing . They say Every Levels of Reality/Creation, then immediately in the same scans says Universes. A mindscrew at best.