Basically there are two different calculations of the energy output of Etherion, and we need help to decide which method that is more appropriate to use, or if somebody needs to combine the different methods into a single version.
When we evaluate calculations we do not necessary are required to always go with the absolute low end. Instead the goal is to go with the most logical result after having evaluated not only that one specific feat but also have taken the surroundings in the verse into consideration. It is confirmed that Etherion was actively used in a time prior to the story.
It never happened on panel. As such i can understand, and are of the same opinion, that we can not just randomly assign a calculated value for Etherion using the values from countries such as Iceberg, Desertio, Minstrel or the Pergrian Kingdom.
A logical and fitting assumption however would be to use the values for the smalles possible countries.
The smallest possible country would be either Midi in the southern Edge of the world map or Ila.
Given canon sizes for Fiore it would allows us to scale the size of Fiore and then Midi/Ila - using the found size for Etherions destructive capabilities, taking all the canon evidence into consideration.
@Ant - it seems as thought Raven is not accepting either due to questions posed in my blog, and that Dodo's blog includes the largest countries in the calculation, so Raven is proposing we use one of the smaller countries since the manga repeatedly states that "a country would be wiped out by Etherion"
I have asked all of the current calc group members to comment here, so we just have to wait to see what they think. Would combining your method with DodoNova2's average size or the area of Fiore be more appropriate?
"When we evaluate calculations we do not necessary are required to always go with the absolute low end. Instead the goal is to go with the most logical result after having evaluated not only that one specific feat but also have taken the surroundings in the verse into consideration."
Unite My Rice wrote: "When we evaluate calculations we do not necessary are required to always go with the absolute low end. Instead the goal is to go with the most logical result after having evaluated not only that one specific feat but also have taken the surroundings in the verse into consideration."
There is no "Logical end" in this situation to my knowledge, nothing indicates it was referring to any country in particular (unless someone can provide proof it does)
I don't mind going with the logical result but when the logical result is anyone's guess then it's better to lowball than it is to make an inaccurate upgrade.
@Unite - The calc i did in my blog was an explosion caused by Etherion that would be Low 6-B+, which was the end i was arguing for, but there's many statement stating it could destroy an entire country, so we are scaling based off the size of the smallest country in the verse.
Russia is continent sized while Uruguay is on the high end of Large Island going by our standards, so, if we had to choose between the two for a country busting calc, Uruguay would indeed be the best approximation.
Widespread destruction for that size of a country would still be 6-B. And that was not a time where they said the entire country would be destroyed. They were worried about people's lives and property damage.
From my understanding due to Etherion never have on Panel actually destroyed a country, the possible destructive capability is yet unproven and unconfirmed - since not even inverse no one has ever witnessed it life to such an extent.
On the other hand the on-panel flashbacks of its first usage show the opposite side, which is an incomplete, still expanding blast of fire.
So going with the small countries such as Ilia or Minia should be fine. You could technically even make a case for Fiore, seeing it IS still a small country in comparison to the big players out there and only around 2.X times bigger than Minia for example.
Im fine with both ways, since they do not dramatically change tiers. Everything stays in the 6B tier. And we are kind of generous towards other verses in general regarding these things.
I agree with Cin on using the small countries. There's no reason to use the Large Country size, that would just be inflating the results. People are talking about mid ends, but normally isn't it that when we're not sure of result, we do the low end to be safe?
Also Irene and August had enough Magic Power, to surround the whole Country of Fiore, and alter/Destroy it, even tho it was by hax, they could still surround the country, and Etherion is way stronger than both of them combined, also Dragon Cry which can supposedly destroy all of Ishgar, is 10 times stronger than Etherion, I just feel that Fiore is a good scale for Etherion
Since this matter is not yet settled and right now the discussion is what country to use for a low end, i decided to give a perhaps better approach which satisfies everyone. It includes the lowest possible countries as well as regular small countries such as Fiore and Ka-Elum, to find an average size, without inflating it with the big countries.
-> The average size i propose to use, disregarding any of the big countries
(using NTF is our general approach, seeing how obviously Etherions blast radius would kill everyone in its radious and destroy structures, so just put the values in the NC, do a little mubo jumbo and we are good to go)
Country level stems from our real world take on countries. In this fictional setting the countries are simply a lot bigger, comparable to continents from our real world. Out of curiousity, Tata, can you quickly put the numbers in for just Ilia?
I thought you were supposed to put radius--not the diameter in for that equation (forgive me if i'm wrong). Result after dividing by 2 should be 440 Teratons, which is Large Country level, but I see not why we would use the countries that are 2.5~4x bigger than Ilia.
The only statement made on Caelum regarded "damaging lives and properties", not that it would obliterate that specific country let alone kill everyone there--therefore I am against using Caelum or Fiore to begin with.
@Raven - Ilia would be (((1824/2)/0.28)^3)/1000 = 34.555 Teratons Country level (Divided by 2 = 17.26 Teratons). I know, I'm not Tata Q_Q
Thanks. So after having evaluated all these different approaches I have come to a - at least for me - final verdict, which I hope some of you may agree with.
1. We do not use the result from Etherion potentially simply destroying a country partially (the small chunk of land of the country seven) since this would be the using the lowest of the low ends by a mere blast radius perspective, which gets contradicted by all the canon information we know about Etherion. The Large Island level calc is therefore something I would not use.
2. We do not use a middle end from accumulating the countries, finding one average diameter for the blast radius and Etherion to cover, as it would result in outlierish and exagerated results not being in line with the remaining showings of the series (We have Final Attacks from Main Spriggan villains at EOS barely managing to destroy a boat for example). The Continent level calcs are therefore also something I would not use.
3. Instead we use the potential destruction of the small country of Ilia. While it may be the smallest country, the result of the calculation is not the lowest possible (which would be the calc from Seven) and ends in a result in line with the portrayal and is understandable to communicate in the verses overal power ruling. The (Large) Country level calc is therefore the one I would use and support. It combines the low end country wise with a solid result, without purposedly lowballing air blast radius to the lowest possible implication while at the same time not being affected by bigger countries diameter, inflating the result.
I hope I have made this as understandable as possible. Lol
I'm fine with using a variable tier such as that, as long as we specifically label them as their energy requirement.
"At least Country level, likely Large Country level (The Etherion has the capacity to destroy a country within Ishgard. The smallest requiring this amount of energy to destroy, while average sized countries such as Fiore require this much)"
Or we could make a blog with both ends and put the link there.
Yes, I noticed. I think that CinCameron20 can start a Fairy Tail revision thread to decide which characters that need to be rescaled then. Or we could just handle it here if the process is rather straightforward.
I think there is a disagreement on certain characters such as Natsu scaling to Etherion, but i'll let people who are more knowledgeable about the verse argue over that. I'm clueless as to the context in that regard.
Basically, all High 6-B or "At least High 6-B" characters need to be changed to "At least 6-B, likely High 6-B". That's about it.
Okay. That seems fine. Are you willing to link to your calculation in the Etherion page, investigate which Fairy Tail character pages that need to be modified, and handle the changes yourself? It would be more efficient to do so than arguing for a few hundred posts again.