I made a comment on both of these pages because there is some other context you missed on these feats that would made them more significantly more impressive. So can you comment on them and see if there are any problems?
Uh, I just realized the Sovereign-Tier Speed Calculation for Sovereigns and Orloff is both wrong because you didn't scale them according to context.
Because compared to the mortal planes, characters have a speed nerf in the higher planes such as the Infernal Realm and Netherworld compared to a Mortal Plane. And the Sovereign's generic speed feat occurred in a higher plane.
While Orloff's feat was done in the Chaotic Space. Which characters have a bigger speed nerf, considering how characters moved much slower in the Planar Battlefield compared to higher planes.
In Coiling Dragon, but we're literally given the numbers for it.
When Linley comes back from the Infernal Realm, he says he was at least ten times faster in his mortal plane compared to the Infernal Realm.
"Flying was restricted and cumbersome in the Infernal Realm. Upon returning to a material realm, Linley felt his flying speed rise dramatically, and he was now ten times faster than when he had been in the Infernal Realm. He used his divine earth power to wrap everyone up, so as to help Ina, Wade, and the others move more rapidly as well."
Book 18, Chapter 5
"Linley immediately led everyone directly to the western side of the Mountain Range of Magical Beasts, pressing forward towards Wushan township at a fast pace. Given that he was now a Highgod, he flew hundreds of times faster than in the past, when he was a Saint. Flying through this material plane, where the restrictive forces were much weaker, Linley quickly arrived at the Mountain Range of Magical Beasts."
Book 18, Chapter 5
During the whole Paragons going to a Mortal Plane Arc.
"In a material plane, all Paragons were able to move at a speed that seemed akin to the speed of the Sovereigns in the Higher Planes."
Book 20, Chapter 37
In a mortal plane, Paragons moves at the speed of Sovereigns in higher planes.
"Sovereigns flew at a speed that was hundreds of times faster than Paragons."
Book 21, Chapter 12
Since Paragons are basically unable to move in Chaotic space, we should just assume instead that a Sovereign is just hundreds of times faster than Paragons in a higher plane. Implying that a Sovereign is also hundred of times faster in a mortal plane compared to their speed in a higher plane.
“Haha…” Beirut laughed clearly, and he couldn’t help but stroke his black beard. “Linley, I’m able to casually fly at high speed through chaotic space, at a speed which is a hundred times faster than you are able to fly at in a material plane. You tell me. If I’m not a Sovereign, what am I?”
Book 20, Chapter 46
A Lesser Sovereign, Beirut (Who should be at the base speed of a Sovereign) moves at a hundred times faster than Soul Mutate Highgod Linley's speed in a mortal plane. This is the speed of a Sovereign in Chaotic Space.
"In that instant, Linley’s speed suddenly tripled! On top of the earlier 30% increase in speed, it increased threefold more! Threefold!!!" "But Linley’s speed had increased threefold more. This was on a completely different level from Paragons! To be moving at such high speed definitely required that a person’s energy and body were both far stronger than a Paragon’s!"
Book 20, Chapter 42.
Soul Mutate Highgod Linley is basically 3.9 (1.3 times 3) times faster than a regular Paragon. So based on this context. In Chaotic Space, a regular Sovereign moves 400 times faster compared to a regular Paragon in a Mortal Plane.
Then there's also the fact that Portion of Will literally gives a multiplier in attack, defense, and speed.
"Although they rode on a metallic lifeform, Linley had been able to infuse his Will into the metallic lifeform and make it move much faster. In less than ten years, they had travelled from Tartarus to the Abyssal Mountain."
Book 19, Chapter 64.
While without Portion of Will.
From the Abyssal Mountain to Tartarus, the distance truly was too great. After flying for some time, Linley said apologetically, “Bebe, if we ride the metallic lifeform to Tartarus, we’ll probably need two or three centuries. I don’t have any time to waste, so…I’ve decided to fly forward at full speed on my own power. I’m going to have to ask you to fly with me.”
Book 19, Chapter 1.
Basically at least 20 to maybe 30 times speed difference. But for simplicity sake, let's just say a Portion of Will gives a 10 times speed boost at least.
"Lesser Sovereign Paragons were comparable to Intermediate Sovereigns with five profound mysteries.
In terms of profound mysteries, Lesser Sovereign Paragons were more than ten times as powerful as Intermediate Sovereigns. But despite that, they still weren’t superior to Intermediate Sovereigns. This represented that the increase in the power of Will was more than tenfold!
In addition, as far as Will went, Lesser Sovereign Paragons didn’t just possess the power of Sovereign’s Will; they also possessed the portion of Will which the universe had bestowed upon them when they had become Paragons. Despite that, however…the power of their Will was still more than ten times weaker than the Will of an Intermediate Sovereign!
A normal Lesser Sovereign, compared to an Intermediate Sovereign, should only have a hundredth the amount of Will within his Sovereign spark."
Book 21, Chapter 6
"Lesser Sovereign to Intermediate Sovereign, Intermediate Sovereign to High Sovereign. Generally speaking, the difference between each level was hundredfold in power, which was roughly equivalent to two portions of Will."
Book 21, Chapter 13
So basically it's like this...
A Lesser Sovereign is at a value of "1". Due to having a single Portion of Will basically. An Intermediate Sovereign is at a value of "100". Due to having the equivalent of 3 Portions of Will. A Chief Sovereign is at a value of "10,000". Due to having the equivalent of 5 Portions of Will.
If they become a Paragon, they get an overall 10 times boost in stats because of an additional Portion of Will. Basically a Chief Sovereign has the equivalent of 6 Portions of Will.
"Ah, Augusta and Lord Orloff are actually the same person! Then…since Lord Orloff became a Paragon long ago, he gained an additional portion of Will. He gained another portion of Will from winning ten Planar Wars in a row. Having an additional Sovereign clone would also transform the Chief Sovereign of Fate’s soul, granting him yet another portion of Will! Although his Sovereign clone has perished, the only thing Orloff lost was the portion of Will which was infused in his Sovereign spark; his already-strengthened soul wouldn’t lose the Will he had already gained. Then Lord Orloff, he…”
Book 21, Chapter 43
Basically Orloff is at a "8" in terms of a Portion of Will.
6 - "100,000" 7 - "1,000,000" 8 - "10,000,000"
Meaning Orloff is actually 10 million times superior in stats to an average Lesser Sovereign (Beirut basically).
"As for the power of Will…
Upon becoming a Sovereign, given how powerful the Will of his Sovereign clone was, although the Will of his other clones would be much weaker, they would still be comparable to a Paragon’s Will."
Book 20, Chapter 48
Generally speaking, if a Sovereign was to fuse with two Sovereign sparks, even though the Sovereign wouldn’t be able to use fused Sovereign power, the Sovereign’s soul would gain another portion of Will.
Book 21, Chapter 12
"Fusing an additional Sovereign spark represented an increase in the power of Will."
Book 21, Chapter 13
Basically these three quotes literally meant that having a Sovereign clone just overall gives the other clones (bodies) the equivalent of a Paragon's portion of will.
With how I said earlier in the average Sovereign's speed calc.
Assuming that any random Sovereign (So at least a Lesser Sovereign) can travel at least 4 trillion kilometers per day. Which 154 times the Speed of Light in a higher plane such as the Infernal Realm.
Intermediate Sovereign are 15,400 (154 times 100) times the speed of light.
Chief Sovereign are 1,540,000 (154 times 10,000) times the speed of light.
Chief Sovereign Paragons are 15,400,000 (154 times 100,000) times the speed of light.
Orloff is 1.54 (154 times 10 million) billion times the speed of light in a higher plane.
If we then are scaling to how Sovereigns should be at least hundreds of times faster in a Mortal Plane. Since they're hundreds of times faster than Paragons, who in a Mortal Plane, moves akin at the speed of Sovereigns.
Essentially Sovereign should be given at least a 200 times speed increase to at most 900 times for high end.
“To capture him now is difficult.” A cold voice rang out in the minds of Linley and the others. The speaker was the Paragon of Lightning, Nanessa. “Although we only spent a few moments trying to acquire that interspatial ring, Clementine has already flown more than a hundred thousand kilometers away. Of the eight of us, only four of us are as fast as Clementine, or at most slightly faster. But the distance is too great. It is impossible to catch up.”
Book 20, Chapter 42.
In proper context,the timeframe a Highgod Paragon would have to exchange a few blow is extremely minute but very much extremely faster than Six Star or Seven Star Fiends.
"When Six Star Fiends or Seven Star Fiends did battle, every thousandth or ten-thousandth of a second, a person could die."
Book 17, Chapter 25.
So basically Clementine, an average fast Paragon, should have a speed that would allow him to travel more than hundred thousand kilometers can be traveled within the timespan of a thousandth or even ten-thousandth of a second.
So a Highgod Paragon can travel more than a hundred million kilometer or even more than a billion kilometers per second.
Hundred million kilometer per second = Roughly 333 times the Speed of Light.
Billion kilometer per second = Roughly 3,335 times the Speed of Light.
The planes (be them of the elemental ones or the bigger ones) are different compared to the Chaotic Space and Mortal Planes. In the higher planes there are restrictions while in Chaotic Space and Mortal Plane there are none (bare the destruction of the mortal plane stated by the Overgods).
First with hundred of times doesn't work for sovereign since they fight in the Chaotic Space so they aren't restricted.
The Second is "seemed akin" not that it was 100%.
That scaling of multipliers from one to another to another feat is not a good one as it would be calc stacking which doesn't work well.
Beirut is a low tier Sovereign, he shouldn't be used to compare with Linley and Orloff.
Power and Will don't scale to speed.
Later statements in novels take priority over earlier one and the one of Orloff taking less than a minute to reach Linley is more accurate going by the rules.
Also, try to organize them better if you want to upgrade their feats and not in a wall of text as its hard to see the scaling (saying this as no matter what arguments you or anyone else brings I can't upgrade the speed or make any changes for powers/tiers/etc till the Forum Migration happens as CRTs aren't allowed). So, when the Forum Migration happens make a more organized that shows better the scaling and your reasons as it would help a lot since it needs ot be looked over by more people not just one. Then you can bring any argument, statements, feats to be looked over by the other supporters of the verse and more users of the wiki. Till then I can't make any changes.
Highgod Paragons aren't able to even move in Chaotic Space. Sovereign isn't "restricted" by Chaotic Space is just an assumption on your part or any mention of no restrictions of Chaotic Space, nothing is ever said about that.
"Linley and Bebe, when advancing, carefully applied his senses to his surroundings. When he did, he sighed in astonishment. “The gravity in this battlefield is actually even greater than that of the Netherworld and the Infernal Realm! This is the plane with the greatest gravity I have ever seen. In addition, divine sense is restricted to an incredible extent as well."
Book 19, Chapter 13
Linley and Bebe, when advancing, carefully applied his senses to his surroundings. When he did, he sighed in astonishment. “The gravity in this battlefield is actually even greater than that of the Netherworld and the Infernal Realm! This is the plane with the greatest gravity I have ever seen. In addition, divine sense is restricted to an incredible extent as well.
Linley realized that his divine sense was now constrained to a range of just a hundred meters or so.
“My two Lords, according to the legends, this battlefield was created jointly by the four Overgods.” The red-haired woman laughed as she spoke. “Even the Higher Realms, such as the Netherworld or the Celestial Realm, were created by the four Overgods separately. This battlefield, in terms of stability, is far more stable than even the Higher Realms. In this place, it is hard for even commanders to be able to tear open space.” Linley couldn’t help but feel secretly surprised.
The more stable a plane was, the more powerful gravity generally was in it, as well as the restrictive, binding force.
Book 19, Chapter 13
Upon entering chaotic space, even Highgod Paragons would find themselves virtually unable to control their own movements. They would instead be swept away by the endless tides of spatial chaos.
Book 20, Chapter 41
So I believe you're completely wrong about any "Lack of Restrictions" that Chaotic Space has.
"Beirut is a low tier Sovereign, he shouldn't be used to compare with Linley and Orloff."
So why not? Beirut is physically weaker than either of the two in terms of bodily strength and Linley and Orloff literally have more Portions of Will compared to him. That's like saying like later versions of Naruto can't be compared to Cursed Mark Sasuke.
Power of Will literally increases speed as shown when Linley just only applied Portion of Will towards a Metallic Lifeform... When comparing the speed difference between the beginning in Book 19, Chapter 1, and at Book 19, Chapter 64.
Literally it became only 20 to 30 times faster due to only having a Linley applying his Portion/Power of Will towards it.
A portion of Will blatantly made Paragons literally superior in every category.
Having two Portion of Will making one 10 times more powerful compared to having "1". It is literally stated in the story. Becoming a Paragon gives a Portion of Will makes you more than 10 times stronger. Me saying that 10 times is just the minimum.
Going by feats Orloff is Billion of Kilometers in less than a minute took place in Chaotic Space where he should be speed nerfed anyways. So Orloff, logically speaking, faster than the calc you put for him anyways.
The whole Portion of Will scaling and the majority of Sovereign stuff took place in the same volume. So so-called later statements taking priority doesn't really matter when it's apart of the same overall arc. It's not like it was something from 3-8 arcs or that the author was being inconsistent. You know Book 21.
Also I believe that beyonders should get resistance to poison and disease I believe it was stated that beyonders do not get ill at least not easily (unless their spirituality is low from overuse) and the poison item that Klain used worked far slower on beyonders than normal humans and on top of that the higher the sequence the lower it worked (when he ambushed Capim).
Well, I updated them as it shouldn\t be a problem as they are new, and just 3h passed since I posted them. If anything new appears that I may have missed and you saw it, note it somehwhere and after forum move we can make a CRT if needed.
I saw your Sandbox 6, i planned to make profiles for that LN too ovo
Im kinda iffy on them being street level in durability, im pretty sure the reason normal guns are ineffective was because people without magic couldnt hit Gunners thanks to their Qualia. Something something about dozens of normal soldiers being useless against Gunners due to Qualia
Yeah it was stated that Qualia helps since it helps them see the future making them able to dodge supersonic bullets.
But it was also whown that they can resit to higher degree of attack like how Air tanked 7-8 bullets from Rain which all were a weaker version of the normal one which can kill multiple people at once (the electricity one) so I assumed they resist to normal bullets from where comes the 9-C, I first put them as 10-A but I was told it sounds more as 9-C.
The image has messy parts but those are easy to fix. The problem lies in the fact that the image is elongated compared to original. Also, adding this on his profile wouldn't make it the third ? Asking this since to do that I would have to add another tabber. I will render it again and post it here for you, and after that better ask User:Therefir as he edits the profiles a lot.
Oh, the elongation (if that's a word) was on my part as I shrank the image a lot before editing it so when I posted it here, I tried to bring it back to normal. Yes, that would be a third. Sorry about the bad rendering again. But yeah, I'll take to Therefir.