You really don't need to watch the anime to keep up with the series, but First Order takes place concurrently with the beginning of the game. Then Moonlight/Lostroom takes place immediately after the defeat of Beast I, Goetia, which then leads into Part 2 of the storyline.
So to put it in a linear order.
First Order = Fuyuki Singularity in Fate/Grand Order -> All of the other Singularities in Part 1 of Fate/Grand Order -> Fate/Grand Order Part 1.5: Epic of Remnant -> Moonlight/Lostroom -> Fate/Grand Order Part 2: Cosmos in the Lostbelt.
You really don't need to watch the anime at all to understand what's going on if you're willing to play the games.
- Add and clarify BTD difference between Yoshikage and Kosaku in the footnote. - Add and clarify High DIO's regeneration on profile. - Downgrade Johnny from 2-A with IR to 3-A. - Downgrade Valentine's durability to 3-A from 2-A. - Clarify Jonathan key (Change from Pre/Post Tarkus to Pre/Post Deep-Pass)
I do need help gathering evidence to prove that Johnny and Valentine aren't multiversal. I haven't read Steel Ball Run even though I am knowledgeable on majority of characters and general plot.
>Downgrade Muhammad Avdol from 8-B. (Strength scaled to Star Platinum lol).
Downgrade? Why would magicians red not be 8-B? He fought chariot. Was deemed a threat by multiple stand ysers more so than a few of the crusaders and has plenty of casual high 8-C feats (which support the full power 8-B) he also pumeled cameo.
Maybe I should have clarified a little. I don't mean his general tier, but definitely not his Striking Strength which is listed as City Block+ level, which should be obviously untrue, he has never demonstrated any punching/stabbing/striking feats of any kind, all of MR's strength comes from it's fire manipulation. While it's attack potency is 8-B (via fire), it's striking strength is definitely not 8-B.
Also peak human lifting strength for Avdol? WTF? He's jacked but he's not Batman.
And was Avdol ever actually hit by Chariot? Or Star Platinum for that matter? Why does he have 8-B durability? I just rewatched all of his fights, only time he was hit was by Vanilla Ice and Hol Horse, but even then it skinned his forehead.
TheJ-ManRequiem wrote: Probably third law Newton. Also yeah platinum strangled him.
Peak comes from running with a few hundred kg on him.
Clearly it was an unbloodlusted Jotaro who was holding back because he's discovering his stand power. Can you even apply third law to stands? They aren't bound by conventional physics.
Silver Chariot cant hurt Judgement because he had heavy metal armor on, obviously he's going to have difficulty. MR's just bodied him around without a sword. Dunno though, maybe he does have 8-B striking, seems more like 8-C though, to say he's on par with Star Platinum doesn't sit well.
He pulverized the armor. He obviously is far below star platinum. (Star platinum punched a hole through za warudo and when pushed dusted za warudo. A blood lusted platinum would ohko mr). Mr is a lower end of the tier is all.
https://jojo.wikia.com/wiki/SBR_Chapter_69 (Demonstrates that D4C functions on parallel universe theory aka multiple instances of Earth happening at the same time, proving it functions within a 3D basis, and therefore 3-A)
And because Valentine has never demonstrated 4D hax of any kind, he only has 3-A feats at max. Because of this Johnny is now 3-A, since his Infinite Rotation's attack potency scales off of Valentine's durability.
Correct, I agree that it would be high 3-A, since it managed to bypass an infinite number of parallel universes. However, they are not a countably infinite number of 4-dimensional universal space-time continuums (which qualifies for 2-A), but rather, a countably infinite number of 3-dimensional universal space-time continuums (which qualifies for high 3-A)
I'll post pieces of the revision here so you can potentially refute with a counter-argument.
1. Add and clarify the difference between Yoshikage and Kosaku (BTD)
It's come to my attention in a fewthreads recently that people believe restricting Kira's Bites The Dust goes against wiki rules (that restricting characters abilities generally isnt allowed.)
While true, I think it's important we make the distinction on the profile within the notes section because, "Yoshikage Kira" has never had Bites the Dust, and all fights that include this specific form are acknowledging that he does not have this ability.
"Kosaku Kawajiri", on the other hand, has had Bites the Dust, and all fights that include this specific form are acknowledging that he has this ability.
So it'd probably be best just to include in his profile notes for the sake of consistency and so that we don't have people complaining that we're restricting abilities that:
"The Yoshikage Kira form does not have Bites the Dust. The Kosaku Kawajiri form does have Bites the Dust, please be mindful when specifying which form is used in versus threads."
Which should solve the problem when it comes to restricting BTD.
This one is quick and I don't think there'll be any objections.
Jonathan's key has him divided into two, Pre-Tarkus and Post-Tarkus. While not entirely incorrect, the fight with Tarkus wasn't the reason Jonathan got insanely strong, it's because Zeppeli used the Supreme Deep Pass Overdrive on him.
And Jonathan's strength jumped during the fight with Tarkus, not post or after the fight. So for the sake of clarification, I suggest we change it from and to:
Dio Brando's profile has him listed at High-Mid regeneration. While true, this only applies to Dio Brando, and does not clarify that DIO's regeneration had actually gotten weaker, as we've seen him explain to Hol Horse . Instead, we'd need a new feat of his regeneration, the best demonstration being when Star Platinum shattered his skull and sent him ragdolling away . This would likely qualify for Mid tier regeneration, defined as, "The ability to regenerate from decapitation or severe brain damage"
Furthermore, Awakened DIO/High DIO has actually had his regeneration brought back up to his Phantom Blood days, seeing as how he scratches his skull in and regenerates a few seconds later, which would probably qualify for High-Mid, coupled with the fact that he had the potential to regenerate even after The World was shattered, it's probably best to just clarify in his notes that:
"The DIO form in Stardust Crusaders does not carry over the High-Mid regeneration that his previous form has had and instead posseses Mid regeneration. The Awakened DIO form however, does possess High-Mid regeneration once more."
Hopefully this one doesn't get heated. Currently, Valentine's profile has his durability at:
"Multiverse level+ with Love Train (Love Train's ability makes it very difficult to harm let alone kill him. Any attack by normal means will be deflected elsewhere, and the wall itself is made out of an infinite number of dimensions.)"
This is incorrect and slightly misleading. Not just any attack,but any damage inflicted on Valentine is inflicted upon someone else in the form of misfortune, but it has only demonstrated it's reach within our universe, not any other universe as many people like to bring up in versus threads.
According to chapter 69 , D4C itself operates onparallel universe theory/many-worlds interpretation , in which past present and future all exist with each other at the same time in the form of different universes, where you can be an old man in one, and a baby in a different one since not all universes are directly linked via time.
(Now keep in mind, 3-D = space, 4-D = space + time. This is about to get slightly confusing)
Since the wall is made out of an infinite number of universes, it does qualify for high 3-A durability, which means he has an infinite number of 3-D power in the form of his wall, functioning as his durability. He does not qualify for the 2-A he is currently at because that would require him demonstrating his durability to have an infinite number of 4-D universes within his wall. Since we know D4C operates on parallel universe theory, we know his universes that his wall only consists of space, not space-time continuums since according to parallel universe theory, past present and future all coexist in the form of different universes.
What's the difference and the distinction between the two?
If his wall was 3-A, it would mean that it's made up of infinite universes in which there are an infinite number of potential timelines, but it would only have an effect on any universes present, not it's future or past. This would be the baseline assumption if we were told his wall was made up of infinite universes.
If his wall was 2-A, then it would mean that it's not just made up of infinite universes, but every single state in time of every single universe, or rather, it would have an effect on any given universes past present and future. This has not been demonstrated. This is a step up from a baseline assumption.To assume it is 2-A when it is equally as likely (and more logical) to be 3-A is wrong.
This would of course mean Valentine gets his durability downgraded to Universe+, since the qualification is "Characters who have an infinite degree of 3-dimensional power."
If Valentine downgrade gets approved, then this automatically means Johnny is 3-A as well. His profile has him at 2-A because:
Multiverse level+ with the Infinite Rotation (Ignores and bypasses high-level, infinite dimensional barriers from D4C Love Train, comparable if not above Ball Breaker).
Since I've already discussed how Valentine's wall is 3-A, this feat would mean that Johnny only broke through 3-A durability, downgrading his attack potency and tier to 3-A, because the qualifications of 3-A is "Characters who have an infinite degree of 3-dimensional power" which is obviously demonstrated by Johnny.
Excluding the fact gyro mused that there may be infinite dimensions within the light of love train. Confirmed a few panels later of funny exclaiming the light has at least an infinite amount of dimensions and the light showcases that with funny reflected upon the light a few times within a line.
Funny claims that ball breaker at full power would have destroyed d4cs dimensional walls . He didnt because the steel ball was clipped making it an imperfect sphere. But this came from funny himself after witnessing the power and a jojoveler quote supports funy and his quote.
( High 3-A )"Alternately 4-dimensional power that is shown as completely qualitatively superior to 3-Dimensional beings, but is less than universal in scale. "
This would probably describe the max effect he has in 4-D. It is superior to 3-D, but functionally, what he can do in space is still far more than what he can do in time.
And although both are infinites, just like in math, some infinites are vastly larger (and in this case superior) than other infinities. Point is, his infinite effect on space is far greater than his minute infinite effect on time, which is why he should be high 3-A at max.
As one dimension would only be a mere fraction of a moment in time obviously trye.
An infinite amount moments of time (a moment per dimension) would mitigate that. Making him low 2-C .
Hes essentially one infinite for time and a infinite amount of infinite for space. Most definitely he lacks the infinite amount of infinite time but he does get one infinite from amount of dimensions he has at a minimum anyway.
If one dimension an infinite amount of space and a moment of time. A infinite amount would be an infinite amount of infinite space and "one" amount of infinite amount of time lord.
To qualify for 2-C you need you have both complete control in either creating or destroying space and time within a single universe. This is what the wiki means when they say 4-D. Valentine posseses complete control over space of an infinite amount of universes, but no control of time whatsoever, whatever "universal clock" a universe is at is what Valentine has to manage with, he cannot change this and thus doesn't qualify for 2-C.
However, having control over space across an infinite amount of universes instantly qualifies for high 3-A itself, so he should be 3-A.
Was it through sheer AP with IR and Ball Breaker, or was it because of greater spacial manipulation hax?
If it was through sheer attack potency, then yes it would make them 2-A. If was because of special manipulation hax, then it means they circumvented his wall entirely, killing/harming Valentine to the point where Love Train shuts down.
Have been following the thread but havent posted.
Me and weekly debating jojo would get heated.
For the dio point. He outright confirmed the body was at the strongest the body had been and easier in the part he said joestar blood would nullify his regeneration thing (which was as mentioned on his left half only).
DIO's regeneration is weaker all around. He didn't steal half of Jonathan's body, he stole the entire thing. One side healing faster than the other doesn't mean the faster healing side was the same as his phantom blood days.
Though his power and durability would be above phantom dio.
He outright says his power was the best it had been which obviously would include phantom dio. He mentioned his 100 year life a few panels prior even.
The only reason dio didnt use his powers was literally because araki wanted to focus on the stand. Araki explained within an interview a decade ago which makes a lot if sense because dio still had powers from his phantom days for example flesh buds and resurrection of post mortem.
High would have his powers from phantom blood because hes litterally the same with better ap.
Also ya may not agree although araki had some process with the devopment for the game 0:59.
As DMB said, he just absorbed the blood of a hamon user lol. Though his physical body is stronger, I doubt he has the abilities anymore considering he hasn't demonstrated it, maybe he forgot, maybe he physicall can't do it. Even if we assume he can, it would be out of character for him to do it in any versus thread because he did not use it against Jotaro, who he considered his biggest threat ever.
Akira Toriyama also had development with Dragon Ball GT. It's not canon. Eyes of Heaven while nice is not canon as well, we already have a seperate page for notable EOH characters.
Obviously. Ooc and pis although still he does have the powers of his phantom self (also as far as eoh goes araki supervised the script had involvement and confirmed thats what would of happened had dio won).