There’s nothing hypothetical about Excalibur having abilities that Base Sonic has. It’s just a stronger form.
A stronger form that never had access to those abilities. A stronger form that appeared before those abilities were ever conceived. A stronger form that has never displayed those powers. A stronger form entered when base Sonic did not have those powers.
So, yes, it's completely hypothetical.
This will be my last post on the matter as to not derail any further.
Yeah, that stronger form appeared before those abilities came out, but that shouldn’t matter. Unless Base Sonic actually loses his abilities in that form, which he doesn’t, then he should have access to them in VS Battles.
Except it DOES matter. Depending on which form you use or time period you specify, you are selecting Sonic (or any other character for that matter) at a certain point into his career, where he's going to have access to certain things or not depending on what he would have encountered or gained up to that point.
You're also looking at this wrong. You keep saying that Sonic is losing abilties. He isn't losing those powers, he'syet to even gain them. If you did a match and specified Adventure 1 Era Sonic, he's not going to have nearly that many abilities to draw on because he's so early into his career at that point and has yet to gain those things. Simply put, Sonic has not always had access to all things he currently does as of now and if you pick a version of him from earlier in his career, he going to only have what he had at that time.
Yeah but that doesn't mean she gets the chance to do that. That was the point. Both have thought based actions. There is no reason for why she gets to put Misogi in a vegetative state before he nulls, especially with retroactive all fiction into play.
Because the Intelligence section was literally the same as the Notable Attack/Techniques with the only difference being the word 'Genius' preceding it. As such, it made the profile seem bloated and repeating the exact same information twice seemed redundant. So after reading over everything, I felt like most that could stay in the Attacks/Techniques section while tweaking the intelligence section. For example, Kassandra's connection with Ikaros and her version of Eagle Vision, isn't really any form of an intelligence feat, it's just something she can do.
However, I will admit that I was tired when I did those changes and should have included a brief summary of her skills as a warrior, assassin and free runner and mentioned her solving the Sphinx's riddles, to give a better example of what she knows and more credence to her intelligence level.
Now that I think about it, there's some other issues I feel are present with the Assassin file, particularly in the area of the Culexus. I'll have to grab quotes of my own and stuff, so don't worry about trying to rush this out, we can just do the Callidus stuff when we do a generalized Assassin thread if you're not done sooner.
Nice. I can write up the Culexus stuff then, if you can post how you want the Callidus stuff to be organized that'd be great. That way, I can paste it in to mine, credit it to you, and release as a general assassins revision and get both done.
Attack Potency: Unknown. At maximum with physical blows, City Block Level (Though weaker, is capable of contending with an Eversor for short periods of time with supreme effort as well as knocking one out with a well placed blow). At least City Block Level with Poison Knives (The knives are capable of piercing the bodyglove of an Eversor) Neural Shredder and C'tan Phase Sword ignore durability.
(Note: I got rid of the explanation for why the Neural Shredder and Phase Sword. It would have clogged up the the AP section even more, and they seemed redundant given that the profile goes into explantions of how the weapons work in the Callidus tab.)
Durability: At least Building Level (Synskin can absorb bolter fire), likely City Block Level (Can endure attacks from an Eversor).
That's roughly how I see it based on the information I got from the Audio Drama. I also have the various paragraphs for the evidence and provide them when ready.
Their durability kinda can't get lower than their AP, or they'd injure themselves with their own strikes. Granted, their shapeshifting could mitigate that, but its not always on. Just send me the paragraphs, and I'll type up my stuff and post this.
For the weakness, while the Callidus (Klara Rhasc) was fighting the Eversor (Sylas Torq) for the first time, she kept using her Poison Knives on him. As support, Rhasc has a Vanus (Adamta) whose overseeing her operations and giving information. When she tells him she's using poison, he tells her that she could destablize the Eversor's physiology and cause him to go into Bio-Meltdown.
Rhasc flung herself to the ground and rolled, flinging a poison dagger. A small blade, thin and topped with a skull to match the Eversor’s own, tore through the mutant’s robe and pinned the Eversor’s hand to a marble pillar. Rhasc danced backwards waiting for the poison to take effect. The Eversor stared at the blade that impaled his hand, head cocked in curiosity. He pulled, first almost gently then with heaves of brute strength.
“Soon the poison will overwhelm you.”
“No. No it will not! My kill!”
The Eversor tore the scrap of robe and the blade with a sharp crack from the marble.
“What in the name of the Emperor’s Golden Throne is going on down there, Rhasc?!”
She ignored Adamta and stabbed forward. The Eversor parried, batting her phase sword aside with his power blade and raising his pistol again. Needles stitched towards Rhasc but she was already moving. She jerked towards the side and threw herself behind a marble pillar.
The Eversor followed. He moved like lightning but with none of Rhasc poetic grace.
“My kill! My target!”
He was monstrously fast and monstrously strong. He holstered his pistol as he charged her. Poison blades studded into him, flung with the effortless perfection bred of long practice. He didn’t even slow. A right hook flew for her head, she ducked but he caught her mane of hair. She reached up and grabbed his hand. A needle slid through the flesh of her finger and punched through the Eversor’s bodyglove. Genetic material flooded into her, her bone creaked, aching with sudden changing pain. The muscles in her face flexed and shifted. She felt a faint vibration pulse through her chest, unwanted energy piercing her movements.
The Eversor pulled and Rhasc flew over his head, but she turned the motion into a flip, landing on her feet. She pulled her neural shredder from it’s sheath ready to fire and liquefy his brain. He knocked it out of her hand.
“No! You don’t get to shoot me, false-face! Callidus witch!”
“Talk to me, Klara! What is going on down there?!”
“I have the situation under control!”
Rhasc barely ducked a punch that would have torn off her head.
She stabbed another blade through the Eversor’s bodyglove. Green toxins and blue sheathed blood licked out.
“Poison?? On an EVERSOR?! Are you mad?! You’ll disrupt the other toxins running through his blood stream! You’ll trigger his suicide clause and take you with him!”
In summation: it's possible to trigger the Eversor's Bio-Meltdown early before they actually die by throwing poisons or toxins into their system.
The above also shows that the Callidus' Poison Blades can pierce through the Eversor's bodyglove and actual body. In addition, it also shows us that Eversor is capable of shrugging off the poison, backed by his own words and the fact that the Eversor basically ignores them and the poison never slows him down.
As for the paragraphs of the Callidus' physical showings:
1. (Towards the end of their first fight):
He bulled forward, knocking into Rhasc, driving her over the bodies of the dead guards. The Callidus operative cracked into a marble pillar. Stars shone in her eyes and dancing visions of skulls pulsed in time with her labored heart.
2. (After this, the Eversor leaves and Rhasc tracks him down to a public bath where they fight again):
"She sprinted forward, each step sure despite the wet ground. He readied to meet her, whipping out his power sword, muscles bunched out along his arm. His legs were wide, his stance ready. He half crouched, his sword ready to block her own blade. His other hand, each finger ending in a needle sharp knife, twitched and dance with metallic clicks. He would parry any sword strike Rhasc offer, so she didn’t offer. Instead, she leapt as she neared, spinning.
Her heel smashed into his skull mask, cracking his head to the side. The skull mask caved in, shards of bone like material crunching into his cheek. Her other foot followed through the spin, hammering into the same place. Blood oozed from the wound, thick and wet with an oily sheen. Torq lashed out and Rhasc let momentum carry her, ducking beneath his sword with boneless fluidity. Her phase sword flickered up to block.
Pain bloomed as his blow struck, breaking her guard and nearly wrenching her shoulder from her socket."
3. (Soon after that, the Eversor gets more information for his next target and abandons the fight with Rhasc trying to stop him as he climbs up a statue in the bath):
His foot lashed out, hooking under her chin and cracked up. She held on, despite the pain, pulling. Trying to stop his escape. She failed and the Eversor kicked again, the force of the blow knocking her backwards. She flipped in midair and landed on her feet.
4. (Rhasc tracks him down one final time before finally bringing him down):
The flat of her sword caught his temple, knocking him back, arresting his dodge. He recovered quickly and his left hook caught her knee in a sickening crack of cartilage and bone. She almost fell. She gritted her teeth through the immense pain.
Her sword ripped into Torq's shoulder blade, punching through the bone, severing the tendon. The Eversor growled, taken aback. His left arm hung uselessly at his side. Her orders were to bring the assassin back to the ship, they said nothing about him being uninjured.
He advanced on her. Strength and threat were his weapons. Tubes gurgled on his shoulders, pushing his rage to greater heights. Rhasc flung a handful of daggers, bursting tubes in sprays of acrid chemicals. Their scent filled the air and brought his rage resurging.
He scrabled at the punctured tubes, trying to contain the liquid that spilled out. He failed. His right arm are flailed out, thundering towards her in a haymaker. She flowed beneath it. Already the Eversor was slowing, a slight pause betrayed his actions. A hesitation. Still, he came on. Slower but still full of lethal intent.
He punched again and she met it with her left palm. Pain thundered up her arm but she gripped his fist and held it while her right hand grabbed his forearm. She pulled. The Eversor grunted as his elbow popped from its socket. He staggered, sucking in deep astonished breaths.
Her foot, spinning into the side of his head, stole all thoughts of him, dropping the Eversor into unconsciousness.