Having a bigger story and lore doesn't mean it's better and even considering the gameplay is leagues below that of DMC it has sold way more than DMC.
As for the claim of it's story being better, I fail to see why or how, it isn't something complex or intriguing, all the plot points are visible very fast and there aren't any things you can hold attachments to and more importantly, Kratos motivation, while good in nature, is created by his own stupidity and arrogance, yes, the gods are bad but he never needed them and had a life that wasn't dependent on them until his fuck up battle
I mean, GOW not being complex doesn't make DMC complex. For me Kratos' development trying to create a bond with his son after all he has done in a world of mythology with characters like Baldur with incredible dialogues and climate is more interesting.
I never said DMC was more complex than GoW or even complex for that matter, DMC present you with charismatic characters you look up waiting to see their next move and once you get to know them you can feel a connection to them expecting some form of success.
Also, you are talking about the last game, that is very important since that one is THE ONE that provides you with a character you can look up to, someone who you expect do the best and gets the best, I'm talking about the whole franchise not a singular outstanding game
DMC is not great at story, its very good at best and confusing to terrible at worst. DMC doesn't need a large scale story with history like GOW but it also has a lot of plot elements and hiccups that confuse fans or leave more to be desired. GOW (old games) has answers to essentially everything in the story with little to no room for assumptions or personal interpretation which makes it superior story-wise. With GOW, you can understand how, why, when X happened and its up to personal taste whether or not it is good but with DMC there are many elements to the story that require assumptions and stretches to pinpoint events and plot. GOW's story is so underrated it is bizarre that it is written off as a "mad guy killing simlator turn your brain off game". DMC is underrated when it comes to story too but not to the same extent.
Also, Kratos doesn't need to be a role model and didn't need to be one. His old character is depressing, brutal and unrelenting a lot of the times but EACH of the old GOWs had moments where the monstrous Kratos is a loving, good and heroic person, giving you the hope that he will become a good person or something that could be a role model by the end of his story. His story was supposed to be tragic.
He isn't supposed to be a goody two shoes. His story was supposed to show what happens when pure anger and rage gets the best of you. Hell, the first game starts and ends by showing Kratos trying to kill himself because the gods couldn't keep their promise to him. His actions may have started the hatred but even after killing his family accidently under the order of the gods he still chose to perform tasks for them at the hopes that the gods would keep their promise of removing the nightmare that terrorized him which they of course didn't. Instead they prevented him from committing suicide and chose to keep using him as a pawn. Kratos may not be good but his rage is more than understandable if you know how many times the goods fucked him over, betrayed him, broke promises even prior to him killing his family on accident.
You obviously don't need to be a good guy to be loved, heck, look at Dies Irae for example, the main antagonist is a real life nazy made god who wants to kill everyone but there is a great detail that Kratos lacks, he is charismatic to the public, to the fans, he actually has a drive behind his actions that doesn't seem like if a ripped guy just decided to kill for the heck of it.
Kratos here has the sad backstory but he fails to compel to the audience in more than one front to the point his games are basically reduced to "mad guy killing simlator turn your brain off game" and it is because the protagonist is like that the overall history is slapped at the sidelines. Dont get me wrong, DMC is also a victim of this but in GoW it is way more remarkable to the point only the last game has actually made it interesting..
>DMC is underrated when it comes to story too but not to the same extent.
This is simple and it is because, despite all the confusion from the timelines and plot and basically everything DMC provides a very specific plot point for every game that correlates with the rest, you don't need a big brain move to know what is happening and why, they literally told you everything you need to know and the rest are there if you are interested in knowing everything.
Not only that but the big thing again is that DMC has charismatic characters, characters that make you feel a connection and interest in them
>You obviously don't need to be a good guy....heck of it.
That wasn't the point. You said
"Also, you are talking about the last game, that is very important since that one is THE ONE that provides you with a character you can look up to, someone who you expect do the best and gets the best..."
Which is what I was addressing by Kratos not needing to be a goody two shoes. The new GOW didn't show a new side to Kratos that was any different from the old Kratos. Kratos had clear motivations that came in each of the games, he didn't just kill for the heck of it, it was the players who were seeing the gameplay and actions and thought "woah this game is actiony and has cool blood and gore so i don't need to focus on story" which is the same thing most players do with DMC and say "oh look at the wacky tobacky stuff dante/co is doing...don't need to pay attention to the story".
The new GOW did nothing interesting with Kratos in my honest opinion but the world that was set up is great set up was great. I already knew Kratos had a sensitive and fatherly side as three of the past games made it a plot and gameplay point. I knew Kratos was a loving husband as two of the past games made it a plot and gameplay point. I knew Kratos cared for family as 4 of the past games made it a plot and gameplay point. I know Kratos perform the greater good even if it means sacrificing his happiness/himself as two of the past games made it a plot and gameplay point (one even meant sacrifice the universe and being in heaven with his daughter for eternity or never seeing her again with QTEs that made you push her away multiple times as she begs you to stay with her). I know Kratos was a depressed and regretful character as 4 of the past games made it a plot point.
>This is simple and it is because....everything.
GOW does the same thing but actually has largely interconnected story with little side-tracks besides the new GOW for obvious reasons. Every GOW title, comic, and book besides the new game, is connected to the same over arching plot about Kratos and the greek gods who constantly fuck him over and him working towards his revenge. Unlike DMC where we have DMC with its more free form plot with DMC4 being its own thing to an extent but important, DMC2 being its own thing, anime being its own thing, DMC2 novel being its own thing, cd dramas being its own thing....etc.
I don't mind Kratos being charismatic in the typical sense. He is his own unique style of character that I rarely see in media but he himself is still interesting without charisma.
Dienomite22 wrote: He can whine but it became annoying and overdone at times.
It's because you fail to see or coprehend what he has lived or rather what he hasn't lived as everything is long gone and lost at this point for him, it isn't about whining but understanding his character.
What would you do if you couldn't feel nothing, if everything you always took for granted is suddenly gone and with the only precious ending is something impossible for you? Would you put a though face and act like nothing? Or show some human emmotions and cry, whine, feel despair, sorrow and fury?
I never said I don't understand him, it was just annoying and overdone at times. It didn't do anything for me when comparing Baldur's situation to less fortunate souls in the verse. Now Kratos stopping Baldur from killing his mother and killing Baldur is something I don't understand.
Ah, shit. I came across that link like a minute after it was posted, curiosity (and stupidity) got the better of me and I bit (I do have several anti-malware stuff, proper anti-virus included to have them block stuff or warn me) and took a peek. It actually was a Mega.nz folder with full episodes of Death Battle. But who knows if there was stuff infecting the page or something ._.;
Lesson learned, do not click links no matter what if you don't know the user.
An ability addition for Big boss, Snake and Sam, might also apply to The Boss now that i think of it. There's no discussion to be held, I just want someone else to check it out before I aply it