Hey dude, it's me. In case you don't know, you know me as "Homura Sweet Homu" back then. I just want to ask a favor, I know it's been a while since you're talking about something involving PMMM, but I could use your knowledge regarding the series here. Feel free to reply whenever you can.
Can you link me some feats that you think that might give some good results? I am not confortable of characters scaling from Tanjiro that when cut the boulder should be the weakest character of the work
I wish there was but I don't think there are any impressive feats. The only one I could think of that might seem impressive is Gyutaro blowing away all the surroundings buildings with his final attack. But the problem is we don't see how much destruction it caused to the entire Red Light District we only see bits and parts of it in small panels as Nezuko takes Tanjirou to see if everybody was okay. So I'm not exactly sure if we could even get good results from it.
So 9-A+ Train fused Enmu enhanced by Muzan’s blood which scale to literally no one since nobody got hit by the train. Sucks. We could’ve gotten 8-C Upper Moons if Tanjirou had just got hit by the train and survived it.
Oh right just making sure since I’ve only ever bought online books and not actual physical copies. Are the used physical copies good enough to read or are they normally in terrible condition? Cause if I could save some money I’ll save it.
And that’s exactly why I was trying to buy the online version on amazon jp. It really sucks that the english amazon only has physical copies. Ehh whatever it says the condition is like new so I guess I’ll buy that.
Hello, sorry for bothering you, but since you were one of the supporters of Dragon Ball, I wanted to talk to you about something. Recently Nanatsu no Taiza and Katekyo Hitman Reborn are both undergoing through massive revisions that will significantly change the tiering of the characters within both series, with you actually making the NNT revision itself. Now I am not against either revisions and actually support them, but the revisions reminded me about something I posted back in summer that might upgrade Saiyan Saga and Namek Saga characters. I know that it was suposedly rejected for some reason even though I honestly believe that it makes sense and only uses the Kaio-Ken multipliers (which we accept) and Krillin's Scatter Blast, here it is:
"Yo guy's, I was thinking over the 5-B scaling chain in Dragon ball, and thought that there might be a way to get a rough numerical estimate of Goku's AP during the Saiyan Saga and Ginyu Force Saga (And of course to those that scale to him). Now if this was already discussed before and rejected or accepted, then forget about this as Im just being stupid then hehe.
Now then, let's begin.
69.69 Zettatons < or = Goku(BoZ) < Saibaman right? Well when Krillin used that scattershot move after Yamcha's death, he one shotted three Saibamen at once. Now remember, each one of the shots that killed a Saibamen originated from a single beam that he shot towards Vegeta, Nappa, and the Saibamen, which mean that the original blasts AP is actually 209.07 Zettatons since the blast separated into five blasts, and three of those five blasts one shotted a creature that scales above 69.69 Zettatons. If this is correct, then Goku after training with King Kai would scale to being above or equal to Krillins scatterblast since the blast came from Krillin himself and Post King Kai training Goku is far stronger then Krillin at this time.
So this would basically mean that:
Goku (Post King Kai training)= or > 209.07 Zettatons
Goku with Kaio-ken= 418.14 Zettatons
Goku with Kaio-ken x3= 627.21 Zettatons
Goku with Kaio-ken x4= 836.28 Zettatons
Now Pre-Zenkai Namek Saga Goku should at least scale to his Kaio-ken x4 Saiyan Saga self since his power level was higher in his base form during the Namek Saga then his Kaio-ken x4 self back in the Saiyan Saga. So now that we got that out of the way, lets move on.
Goku (Ginyu Force Saga)= or > 836.28 Zettatons
Goku with Kaio-ken= 1,672.56 Zettatons
Goku with Kaio-ken x3= 2,508.84 Zettatons
Goku with Kaio-ken x4= 3,345.12 Zettatons
Now I don't know if he can reach higher levels of Kaio-ken at this time, so Ill just stop here. I believe that this would be Goku's AP throughout all of his 5-B forms during Z. Now whether this is accepted or not, Im not so sure, but this could atleast be taken into consideration (Now to wait for someone to call me a DB wanker lol). Just note that this is, in my opinion, a somewhat safe estimation, a mid-end scale, and you can get potentially higher numbers. Now Ill let you guy's decide whether this is acceptable or not, and who would scale to certain versions of Goku."
Even this is slightly low balled since I only used three of the five scatter blasts to take into account the ap. I'm sending you this to see if you think this is alright. I believe this should be fine as it only uses the Kaio-Ken multipliers and Krillins Scatter blast to get the Goku's ap, and power levels are only used for just scaling, nothing else. I also believe this follows a similar principle as that of the NNT revisions and Katekio revisions.
I am 90% sure Krillin’s Scatter Blast one shotting three Saibamen doesn’t mean he is 3x stronger than Saibamen. Elizabeth holding back two Indras uses the same logic where she split her output in two and it was rejected. So I am pretty sure you can only be 3x stronger than a character if you simultaneously overwhelm all three of them in a beam struggle or something similar to that.
But in Dragon Ball it's noted that someone's attack (power level) can grow tremendously when utilizing a charged attack, like when Beginning of Z Goku's power level is only 450 (I forgot the specific numbers) but when he charges a Kamehameha he reaches all the way into the 900's or even into the 1000's. So I would imagine the same thing is happening here as Krillin is immensely pissed of after Yamcha was killed by a Saibamen. And it wouldn't make much sense if an attack that was 69.69 Zettatons we're to split off into multiple blasts that we're somehow each still 69.69 Zettatons, so if the same thing happened with Elizabeth than it should be accepted as she split her attack into two, which would halve the original ap.
Actually looking at the scattershot scene again, I'm not so sure that it would scale to Nappa and anyone higher. Nappa and Vegeta we're slightly surprised at the attack and proceeded to guard against one of the separated blasts, but at the same time they didn't move away from the original attack and smirked as they guarded, so I'm not so sure. Sorry for bothering you.
I am pretty sure somebody did that once in the past just for the lolz and somehow got somewhere around High 6-B for Mid-Morning Escanor’s Cruel Sun. So yeah no don’t do it. It will probably end up as a huge outlier.
First of all i am pretty sure he doesn't create a literal sun. It's probably just something he made out of magic rather than straight up creating matter like Father did. Second of all it's a huge outlier. Father got 6-C for creating a sun the size of his hand. Escanor's sun was larger than his body and somebody made a joke calc of it and got like High 6-B. Now imagine how big of an outlier Mael's sun which is the size of several buildings would be if it was a literal sun.
Peter1129 wrote: First of all i am pretty sure he doesn't create a literal sun. It's probably just something he made out of magic rather than straight up creating matter like Father did. Second of all it's a huge outlier. Father got 6-C for creating a sun the size of his hand. Escanor's sun was larger than his body and somebody made a joke calc of it and got like High 6-B. Now imagine how big of an outlier Mael's sun which is the size of several buildings would be if it was a literal sun.
the graces are literal we went thru this already :/ you guys didnt accept ocean only cuz we was scaling it to real oceans which it is. look i get the outiner part thats true but we should still calc the mini version