Probably type 4, because the Timelass Halls exist in a seperate causality with a seperate time. But this is just my guess, based on stuff me and some other users have looked at. It is not part of a page yet.
In the spirit of October, I'm doing a matchup between two of the most iconic horror characters in literature. I'm inviting anyone I can who has been involved in any threads involving either character. Dracula has the experience, durability, and versatility advantages, but Adam (Mary Shelly called him that in letters apparently) has the strength, intelligence, and arguably speed (he's stated to be swifter than an eagle, and eagles are faster than wolves, which Dracula can transform into, assuming that's not a big hyperbole) advantages. So far, it's four inconclusive votes and no character has an actual vote. Please read the details of the match before discussing if you are interested.
Also, I was helping another user out with their own Dracula match, and I promised to help them find voters for their match if they helped me, which they did. Their match is here. It's 6 votes for his opponent to nothing, so it only needs one more vote if you are willing to end it.
PS: Sorry about your situation with the blackmailer. May things work out in the end.
inaccessible cardinal is usually vague as it could pertain whether tis strongly or weakly but it depends on the context. to what u said i know that fiction doesnt use math hence ultima basically breaks down for tier 1-As such as characters being beyond the scale of this said hierarchy is strongly inaccessible.
aleph naught to aleph is weakly inaccessible if two are limited cardinals
I don't understand what this means. Are you saying a cardinal is weakly inaccessible iff it is a limit cardinal? That is not true, it has to be uncountable and also regular. Also, aleph-omega< the least weakly inaccessible, if that is what you are saying.
regular limit cardinal is by defasult referring toany aleph u can think whether its uncountable or not. however strong limit cardinal is a different scale than what i said above or just now. i meant by that comment as "if two are regular weak limited cardinals then they asre not strong weakly inaccessible".
Hello. I'm from the Verse Audit group, and having gone through many of the Lord of the Rings profiles, the verse has been classified as Yellow, meaning it misses several criteria and needs some work. As you have listed yourself as a knowledgeable member for the verse, I'm contacting you to ask if you would be willing to go through the pages and do the following:
Fix the powers and abilities section so powers are listed in the format of "Specific Power (Brief explanation/Justification)" if they are not already.
Sorry for the late reply. I imagine most of what you are reffering to is from the Elf profiles; they are typcially very old, while the Maiar and Valar profiles (Especially the latter) have been looked through so many times its silly. I'm honsetly glad to know there are no serious problems with the statistics. I'll look through the pages, especially the Elf pages, and then report back in a couple of days.
I hope LOTR is green soon!
(Are they still using the same names as in the proposal thread?)
As I understand special relativity (not much to be fair) and my translation of the Silmarillion, I would argue that all Ainur should have some form of Acausality given how they were created in a void bereft of any form of matter: the only things into this void were those projected by Eru Iluvatar and were not made of matter since the hröa, or matter, only exists within Arda, and without matter there can be no time as is commonly experienced by us.
To be fair to Melkor, possibly there could have existed no causality before the singing of the Ainulindale, since it may have been the first action to have a material consequence. Without the introduction of the dissonance into the Ainulindale, Arda would have been a static place where matter would have been unchangable, and elves and men would have never come into being (as they were introduced by Iluvatar to fight the dissonance in the 3rd movement). And so, an universe of unchanging matter with unchanging Ainur would have still been an universe with no (or at least different) type of causality.
The true forms of the Ainur are entirely non-corporeal and intangible. That means (To my knowledge) they do not actually have a "Body." So regeneration is pointless when there is nothing to regenerate. Technincally, they don't have it, but that's immaterial as they don't have anything to regenerate.
So, I've been thumbing through the LotR pages, and you were listed as one of the Knowledgeable Members. Antvasima recommended my starting this conversation. It seems that there are some serious scaling issues with the high-tier Maiar and the most powerful Elves. Gothmog dealt the killing blow to Feanor, who is a "AT LEAST 4-A," and yet only has a 6-B rating. Balrogs also have the feat of dealing serious damage to Tree-amped Ungoliant, who overpowered Melkor. In Morgoth's Ring, Sauron is stated to be greater than Crippled Morgoth, and also only has a 6-B likely higher rating. It seems to me that the high-power Maiar should scale far more closely to the high-power Elves than are portrayed on the wiki. Thoughts?
High-tier Elf fighting Valar. Fingolfin vs Morgoth.
Feanor “saw through the semblance of Melkor and pierced the cloaks of his mind, perceiving there the lust for the Silmarils.” That’s a feat of an elf overcoming Melkor’s telepathic shields. Morgoth’s Ring page 97. He created the Silmarils, which burned Morgoth’s avatar and amped Carcharoth to the point where he could pass through the Girdle of Melian (Silmarillion 218).
Feanor is superior to Fingolfin physically. "For Fëanor was made the mightiest in all parts of body and mind: in valour, in endurance, in beauty, in understanding, in skill, in strength and subtlety alike: of all the Children of Ilúvatar, and a bright flame was in him."― The Silmarillion, Of the Sun and Moon and the Hiding of Valinor
Statement that some of the Maiar are nearly as powerful as the Valar. “And the Valar drew unto them many companions, some less, some well nigh as great as themselves, and they laboured together in the ordering of the Earth.” The Silmarillion, Page 11.
Luthien, a half-Elf half-Maia, was magically strong enough to destroy Sauron’s fortress (Silmarillion 207) and put Morgoth to sleep (213-214).
“Sauron was ‘greater’, effectively, in the Second Age than Morgoth at the end of the First. This was due to Morgoth weakening himself over time, but the point still holds as supporting evidence for the gap between top-tier Maiar and Valar being not nearly as large as generally assumed. Near the end of the First Age he was still Valar-level. (Morgoth’s Ring Page 394)
“[Elwe Singollo] was a great lord and noble, tallest in stature of all the Children of Illuvatar, and like unto a lord of Maiar.” Morgoth’s Ring Page 86. This one is less concrete because it could just be a literary device comparing the two, but it might also be a direct power thing. He did marry Melian, after all, so she must have regarded him as somewhat equal to her. Page 173 says that “Great power Melian lent to Thingol her spouse, who was in himself great among the Eldar.” She was clearly superior, as a Maia, to one of the greatest of the First Age elves. Page 54 of the Silmarillion states that among all the people of Lorien there were none “more skilled in songs of enchantment.” This can obviously be taken to mean literal enchantments. Melian was strong enough to counteract the Sleep of Yavanna over the country of Beleriand (Silmarillion Page 100).
Thorondor wounds Morgoth, indicating comparability to Fingolfin. (Silmarillion, Page 180)
Felagund was one of the strongest Noldor and one of the High Kings. He put up a good fight against Sauron magically but was ultimately defeated in a duel of sorcery (Silmarillion Page 202)
Gothmog, one of Morgoth’s most powerful Maia servants, dealt the finishing blow to Feanor (Silmarillion Page 13). It took many Balrogs to get Feanor to the point where that could bring him down, but it shows that they are definitely comparable. Keep in mind that Feanor was superior to Fingolfin and could have thus wounded Crippled Morgoth.
Having multiple Balrogs be comparable to a weakened Morgoth is further supported by their defeating Ungoliant, who was on the verge of overpowering Morgoth (Silmarillion 86-87).
It seems pretty obvious that high-tier Elves and high-tier Maiar are comparable, and that the strongest of each can approach the Valar (which was directly stated in the Silmarillion with respect to the strongest Maiar being "well-nigh as great" as the Valar).
I...Am impressed. I'm considerably more convinced. You should make a Content Revision Thread (Just use copy and paste to add the quotes) and link it to Azathoth. In all my threads, he had the final say in LOTR.
so as i heard that Ancalagon was being exposed by the light radius of the Silmaril for 24 hours to kill him , while the book never say anything about that , as it only say that the battle last for 24 hours before Earendil killed him , so is that a made-up lies or just another possibility
What I didn't realize when I started that thread, that magic in LOTR is pretty Arcane. I don't think we can know exactly how the Silmaril works, but the best guess is it works like a buff to it's wielder.