Magi Hussie

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Welcome! I'm just a guy who happens to be an expert on researching, debating about certain topics, various franchises & verses, and powers & abilities. I'm also a Nintendo console & PC gamer. I'm usually active in Discord, Google+, and on this wiki. In my blogs, you will mainly see either Respect Threads or improvements on specific pages I will be using for a different wiki which has yet to be revealed to the public (only the Owner can give the permission for their wiki to be revealed (when its completed) at anytime they please or feel comfortable doing so).

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  • Before I get started with this Super Mario timeline, I'm going to be relying on these 2 helpful guides here, one of them showing a good representation of Mario from his Super Mario games between 1985-2015 and the Super Mario Wiki, which is pretty much the most reliable source of information that I can use.

    From what I noticed within the several dozen Super Mario games, despite all of them being technically Mario, there are actually multiple versions of him. This is proven in a interview with one of the 2 video creators being Miyamoto at 2:32 here:

    "Ben Reeves: "There are multiple Links, but is it always the same Mario?"

    Miyamoto: "Yes.""

    Notice how Ben asked this question, since he's comparing Link to Mario here, then its clear that not only there are multiple versions of Links in the Legend of Zelda series but there are also multiple versions of Mario in the Super Mario series. As for Miyamoto, by confirming his question to be valid, Miyamoto also indirectly confirmed the existence of multiple versions of Marios.

    Don't believe me on the fact that there are multiple different versions of Mario yet? Look at what Miyamoto answers in an interview here:

    "Game Informer: "Time and again, Bowser kidnaps Peach. Why do Mario and Peach still race go-karts and play tennis with him?"

    SM (Shigeru Miyamoto): "If you're familiar with things like Popeye and some of the old comic characters, you would oftentimes see this cast of characters that takes on different roles depending on the comic or cartoon. They might be businessman in one [cartoon] or a pirate in another. Depending on the story that was being told, they would change roles. So, to a certain degree, I look at our characters in a similar way and feel that they can take on different roles in different games. It's more like they're one big family, or maybe a troupe of actors.""

    This is literal clear evidence that there are a variety of alternate versions of Mario in their own respective series of games due to each one of those versions of Mario having different roles, which is exactly the same case for the multiple different versions of Link in the Legend of Zelda. So if Mario suddenly plays a different role in a series of games from the other Marios, then this is clearly an alternate version of Mario from the original (remakes that have their own series of games count too).

    You guys are killing me here for this one, so before we get into this, let's remember the basics of the term "canon" in fiction means here:

    "The alternative terms mythology, timeline, universe and continuity are often used, with the first of these being used especially to refer to a richly detailed fictional canon requiring a large degree of suspension of disbelief (e.g. an entire imaginary world and history), while the latter two typically refer to a single arc where all events are directly connected chronologically."

    Since an official canon is treated as a single arc with a single consistent timeline, is all of the main Super Mario games works exactly like that? Absolutely not, especially when Shigeru Miyamoto himself already considers the Super Mario games to have no official canon.

    "When there are multiple "official" works or original media, the question of what is canonical can be unclear."

    ^ That's what no official canon means due to the fact that this is basically the main reason why somes series of games are claimed to have no official canon in the first place, so merging all different versions of Mario as a composite profile would not actually follow the "no official canon" rule because by doing that, you're literally doing the exact opposite of what Miyamoto intended for his Super Mario games and we are not allowed to go against that. Also, this would even further prove my point about the multiple different versions of Mario as well since each series of games in the main canon that has their own Mario still applies under the "multiple official works" rule regardless.

    Reminder: Keep in note that multiple Marios from their own respective series of games are all still considered canon, so just because I'm separating series of games from each other does not automatically disprove their canoncity between them.

    The method of how the series of Mario games canoncity is being treated works the same way as the series of games in the Legend of Zelda, each series of games has their own version of Mario just like how each series of games have their own Link.

    Canoncity in Super Mario basically goes like this:
    *Main games (Main Canon) > Canon Spin-Off series with consistency to the main canon (ex: Mario & Luigi series, Yoshi series and etc.) > Word of God > Canon Spin-Off series without consistency to the main canon (Mario Kart series, Marto Party series and any Mario sport-related games that has little to no direct connections to the main games) > Crossovers (Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam is excluded from this since its established to be an official part of the Mario & Luigi series)

    Paper Mario has already been established in the main canon to be considered as an alternate version of Mario due to the following reasons:
    *In the game "Paper Mario: Color Splash", Paper Mario was looking at a classic Super Mario Bros. game while being outside of it, which confirms that not only has Paper Mario was never in the Super Mario Bros. series in the first place but it also confirms the classic Super Mario Bros and Paper Mario series to be considered as alternate dimensions to each other.
    *Toadette from the New Super Mario Bros series was referenced in a Super Smash Bros game and was implied to be found in a Paper Mario, which people used this to assume that regular Mario and Paper Mario are the same person. This however is false due to the fact that in the game "Paper Mario: Thousand-Year-Door," there's already a paper Toadette that exists, which auto-invalidates this assumption and would still consider both Marios to be different versions from each other.
    *Despite Paper Mario being represented as an artstyle to regular Mario, he was also explained to have a flat paper body physiology, which wouldn't technically make him an actual human unlike the regular Mario that we know who is and would be considered as an alternate version of him.
    *In the Mario crossover game "Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam" shows how the Paper Mario characters originated from a book, which is where the Paper Mario characters exists and the same location where the events that happened in Paper Mario's World mainly takes place. Also, since the entire Mario & Luigi series is already established to be a part of the main canon, this would also include this crossover game as well.
    *There was a statement mentioning that Mario "returned to paper form" at the back of the "Paper Mario: Thousand-Year-Door" back cover to indicate that he reverted back to Paper Mario. This however is considered as a figure of speech with at least 3 other sources disproving this and not to mention how we see no showings or available explanations of how regular Mario was able to do this in the first place.

    So unless we see this actually happening in-game (since after all, Mario is supposed to basically have a power-up for everything), then this would be considered as not only invalid but also an unreliable form of evidence by creating a hasty generalization out of this one statement that was taken out of context.
    *The Blocks of Nostalgia found in one of the Mario & Luigi series of games are considered to be minor references since it includes some of the blocks from the listed Super Mario titles with their own series of games in the main canon (ex: Super Mario 64 series and etc.).

    However, there's no additional evidence found that these actually proves these blocks from the Mario & Luigi series have direct connections to any of the series of games besides the Super Mario Bros. and the Paper Mario series. As such, they cannot be used as reliable evidence to disprove nor retcon the already established to be canon games that has blatantly proven Paper Mario to be a different version of regular Mario.
    *The Mario Kart, Mario Party, and Mario Sports-related series of games shows cameos/references of some characters who originated in Paper Mario but however, unlike some of the spin-off series such as the Mario & Luigi, Luigi's Mansion, and Yoshi's Island series, the Mario Kart & Mario Party series have blatantly been proven to be inconsistent several times due to showing various contradictions in-game from what was already established in the main canon, which said contradictions would involve the following:
    **These games added alternate versions of characters who came from different time periods and alternate timelines & showing up together in an inconsistent spin-off series of games without any given explanation of how this was possible in the first place, which would also make it literally impossible to consider this as a part of the main canon to any of the Super Mario games.
    **Lacks little to no direct connection to any of the main Super Mario games, so in other words, any minor references such as cameos or being a playable character alone from any of the listed & specified series of games I mentioned earlier are insufficient evidence to prove these series of games canoncity to the main Super Mario games (and let me remind you on this important thing you need to know, this does automatically not make him non-canon default, it only means that they only aren't canon to the main Super Mario games and just have their own canon)
    **The Mario Kart, Mario Party, and any Mario Sports-related games includes characters who weren't obviously established to be a part of the main canon.
    **The more I think about it, I realize something. If you guys claimed that the Super Mario games has an inconsistent canon and it has to do with the Mario Kart, Mario Party, and Mario Sports-related games being somehow considered to be "supposedly connected" to the main canon, then wouldn't it obviously be the only main reason why the Super Mario games was even considered to be inconsistent in the first place?

    I'll be mainly focusing on the main Super Mario games and only the spin-offs that have clear direct connections to the main canon.

    Super Mario Bros series: Super Mario Bros., Super Mario Bros: Lost Levels, Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, Super Mario Bros. 2, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World (its technically also called Super Mario Bros. 4 by the Japanese logo of the game)
    **Yoshi's Island series: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi Island (represented as the prequel to the game "Super Mario World" and the events in this game is chronologically before all of the Super Mario Bros. games), Yoshi Island DS, Yoshi's New Island
    Super Mario Land series:
    *Super Mario Land
    *Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins
    **Wario Land (series): Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 (represented as the continuation of Super Mario Land 2 but you play as Wario instead of Mario), Virtual Boy Wario Land, Wario Land 2, Wario Land 3, Wario Land 4, Wario Land: Shake It!
    Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Stars
    Super Mario 64 & Galaxy series: Super Mario 64, Super Mario 64 DS, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Galaxy 2
    Paper Mario series:
    *Paper Mario
    *Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
    *Super Paper Mario
    *Super Paper Mario: Sticker Star
    *Super Paper Mario: Color Splash
    Super Mario Advance series:
    *Super Mario Advance 1
    *Super Mario World: Super Mario Advance 2
    *Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3
    **Yoshi Island: Super Mario Advance 3 (This is the same case for the original Yoshi Island game since its represented as the prequel to the game "Super Mario Advance" and the events in this game is chronologically before all of the Super Mario Advance games)
    Mario & Luigi series:
    *Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
    *Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
    *Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
    *Mario & Luigi: Dream Team
    *Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam
    *Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga + Bowser's minions
    *Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story + Bowser Jr's Journey
    **Super Mario Sunshine (this game has some direct connections to the Mario & Luigi series and the events shown in the game would have chronologically exist before any of the Mario & Luigi games)
    **Luigi's Mansion series: Luigi's Mansion (The events in this game happens chronologically after the "Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time" and just before the "Mario & Luigi: Dream Team" game), Luigi's Mansion: Dark Moon (The events in this game happens chronologically after the "Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time" and just before the "Mario & Luigi: Dream Team" game), Luigi's Mansion 3
    New Super Mario Bros. 3D series:
    *New Super Mario Bros., New Super Mario Bros. 2
    New Super Mario Bros. Wii series:
    *New Super Mario Bros. Wii
    *Super Mario 3D Land
    *New Super Mario Bros. U
    *New Super Luigi U
    *Super Mario 3D World
    *New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe
    **Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker (Represented as the prequel to the game "Super Mario 3D Land")
    *Super Mario Maker series: Super Mario Maker, Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS, Super Mario Maker 2
    **The reasons why Mario Maker is considered to have its own series of games is due to the fact that unlike the other games found in Mario Maker, Mario Maker has new powerups that you couldn't get in the original games, some of the powerups were altered, new npcs that never appeared in the original games and the boss battles can manually be altered in these games unlike their original counterparts. Not to mention that by merging this specific series of games to the others will cause problems in regards to proper powerscaling.

    However, the multiple versions of Mario that are found in the Mario Maker games can be directly scaled from their original counterparts for their own respective series of games but must have separated keys to avoid confusion and maintain consistent powerscaling.
    Super Mario Run
    *Super Mario Odyssey (Tbh, I'm not really sure which series would this game be placed at, so I'm going to leave this separate until I get enough information to know the answer to that)

    I'm going to make this simple and straightforward, so when you notice of all the clear differences for each series of games, you'll then realize why each version of Mario is considered to be different from the other.
    *Super Mario Bros. series:
    **Mario's main role in these series of games is to save Princess Peach and stop regular Bowser.
    *Super Mario Land series:
    **Mario's main role in these games is to save Princess Daisy from Tatanga.
    **Wario is a part of the Super Mario Land series.
    *It's not even made by the creator of Super Mario Bros. (just why and how did people assume that this version of Mario could remotely be the same one from the others?)
    *Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Stars:
    **Mario's main role is relying on the help of Mallow (he never reappeared in any of the other Super Mario games), Geno (he definitely never reappeared in any of the other Super Mario games, which I can guarantee you on that), Bowser (yes, he's even relying on the help of his archenemy who continuously kidnapped Princess Peach several times away from him and from her kingdom which Mario almost never does in the majority of his games), and Princess Toadstool, needs to stop the Smithy Gang (a gang of people that never reappeared in any of the other Super Mario games) while collecting seven Star Pieces so that peace may return and wishes may be granted once more (i.e. restoring the Star Rod).
    **This is the first Super Mario RPG-based game but however, this game is also unrelated to the other main Super Mario games and the other Mario RPG games, which was the main reason why I pointed this out.
    **Star Pieces are exclusive to only this game and aren't found in any of the other main Super Mario games.
    *Super Mario 64 & Super Mario Galaxy series:
    **Mario's main role in Super Mario 64 is to recover the Power Stars and restore peace to the Mushroom Castle instead of simply going directly to Bowser and face against him in a fight in order to save Princess Peach.
    **Mario's main role in Super Mario Galaxy is basically the same thing as his role in Super Mario 64 as you need to recover all 121 power stars and you also need to recover the Grand Stars while also helping Princess Rosalina in the process of doing all this since she requires these stars to be used in the Comet Observatory since she's the protector of the galaxies and without them, she can't do her job.
    **Mario's main role in Super Mario Galaxy 2 is basically the same but with a slightly altered plot & established to be a retconned version of Super Mario Galaxy 1.
    *Paper Mario series:
    **I already listed several reasons for this earlier.
    **Let's be honest, Bowser is a playable character in one of the Paper Mario games and represented as a good guy (which he usually almost never is from the other Super Mario games outside of the Paper Mario games, excluding Super Mario RPG of course) & Princess Peach is a playable character (which she usually almost never is outside of the Paper Mario games, excluding Super Mario RPG and the Super Mario 3D games).
    **IIRC, the Paper Mario games have a game exclusive item called a Star Rod, which is a major part to the story that you can't find in any of the other main Super Mario games.
    **The Paper Mario games have their own paper counterparts in their own alternate world/dimension that resembles their original selves that are found in the Mario & Luigi series.
    *Super Mario Advance series:
    **Yes, even a remake from the original Super Mario Bros. games (including Yoshi's Island) can be considered as its own series of games.
    *Mario & Luigi series:
    ***If it doesn't say "Super Mario" in the title, then it isn't a part of the main c...I'm just joking, of course it is. Anyways, the main roles of the first game in Mario & Luigi takes place in the Beanbean Kingdom and they have to chase down the villains Cackletta and Fawful to retrieve Princess Peach's voice.
    ***Mario's roles in other games that follows from the first one is basically anything that doesn't involve saving Princess Peach from being kidnapped as the main plot of the games.
    **Super Mario Sunshine:
    ***This game has direct connections to the Mario & Luigi series.
    **Mario's main role in Super Mario Sunshine is to collect all of the Shine Sprites and rescue Princess Peach from Shadow Mario and Bowser Jr., who was the one that created Shadow Mario.
    **Luigi's Mansion series:
    ***This game also has direct connections to the Mario & Luigi series.
    *New Super Mario Bros. 3D series:
    **Bowser turns into Dry Bowser after his skin was burned off by the lava in the first game and returns as Dry Bowser in the second game. In case you haven't noticed that this usually never happens in any game outside the New Super Mario Bros. series. Not to mention that it always shows the Koopalings making Dry Bowser bigger (did you guys ever really notice that when you play these specific Super Mario game?) and Kamek never appears at that part of the game in both the first and second one & I mean only the 3D versions in these series of games.
    **Bowser Jr. shows up in Browser's Castle alongside Bowser during his boss fight against Mario (which he never does outside of New Super Mario Bros. series, which refers to both 3D and Wii versions).
    *New Super Mario Bros. Wii series:
    ***This has to undoubtedly be an alternate timeline when comparing the major changes in the 3D version of the New Super Mario Bros. series. Think about it, when Bowser fell into the lava in the Wii and Wii U games, he was never shown to have his skin burnt off this time. Another thing to point out is that they didn't even explain in the game on how was he able to recover from those severe injuries in the first place and when Kamek used magic on Bowser the same way the Koopalings did it, Bowser was still his normal self but massive in size & was not Dry Bowser this time after falling in the lava.

    That's not all, both Bowser Jr. AND Kamek actually showed up together in Bowser's Castle in the later games but only in the Wii series of games (including Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario 3D World). Don't worry, when I get to the Super Mario 3D series, this will all be easily explained.
    *Super Mario 3D series:
    ***This series of games have the game exclusive tanooki suits in Super Mario that you cannot get in any of the other main Super Mario games and yes, this is relevant to the main plot of that game.
    ***Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario 3D World has direct connections to the New Super Mario Wii series and these series of games are considered to be an alternate timeline to the New Super Mario Bros. 3D series.
    ***Watch the video at 2:11:32 and realize what the game shows what is happening for Mario right now immediately proves my alternate timeline theory to be valid here & notice how Dry Bowser is here instead of regular Bowser in the same castle and in the same game even though Mario already just defeated him in the past (theory confirmed). Also, why would Mario leave his main world to help Luigi at the same locations where he just defeated Bowser in and why it shows Dry Bowser but not regular Bowser in these Special Worlds, despite both Bowsers being claimed to be exactly the same character in both New Super Bros Series? So many questions with hardly answers for them.

    So after all of this realization from the evidence provided, I guess we're gonna ignore this random event happening in the Super Mario Land and pretend that this never had any relevance to the game at all? This is a clear indication that Mario isn't just traveling to a different area because Mario is actually really travelling into is a different alternate timeline where Bowser "technically" survived the lava but came back as Dry Bowser instead.
    *Super Mario Run:
    **This is a very self-explanatory on how its unrelated to any of the main Super Mario games by canoncity alone but still apparently considered to be a part of the main canon nonetheless.
    *Super Mario Odyssey:
    **There's clearly insufficient evidence that Super Mario Odyssey can be a part of any of the previous games (more specifically, this game is basically its own series of games while still being a part of the main canon of the Super Mario games despite being unrelated to the previous games by canoncity alone) and even if you wanted to convince me that it is, I don't and can't even find any evidence on how this could be the case either.

    Without including the different Marios from any Mario Party, Mario Kart or Mario sports-related games, there are at least 12 different series of Super Mario games that are a part of main canon and at least 12 different versions of Mario (including Baby Mario since he shows up as a playable character in one of the Yoshi's Island games and in the game "Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time" as a past version of the current Mario from that series) in total so far.

    Last things I need to say about this is that we never needed to create a Composite Mario with all different official canons of them merged into 1 profile if there already is a better alternative solution to that problem (let's be honest, powerscaling this character like this is almost impossible). Not to mention that we especially should not need any unnecessary and pointless complaints if it involves saying that some Marios is going weaker than the other Marios, like who honestly cares about that?

    Nobody complained about this for the Legend of Zelda, Sonic, Pokemon, and Kirby, so why should we make Mario the exception? Oh wait, that's right. We obviously can't because not only does the rules of canoncity in fiction doesn't work like that, this is also considered to be blatant favoritism towards Mario and ignoring Miyamoto's intentions of his viewpoint on the Super Mario games canonicity. Other than that, there are several dozen of Super Mario games for each version of Mario that you can gather feats & scans from anyways, so I hard see an actual issue with doing that instead.

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