Oh. I've definitely thought about that before. However, I never attempted to calc a reaction speed from that for two reasons:
1. I'm not quite sure how to calculate that. My guess would be to determine the distance Grana's attack traveled and compare than to how long it took Miroku to raise his hands. But Miroku didn't actually dodge the attack. However, this calculation relies on one key assumption
2. That Grana's attack is LS. Which is not necessarily true. He's telekinetically controlling the sun's rays, which isn't the same as allowing them to come down naturally. His forcing down of them in such a manner to carbonize the flesh doesn't sound at all like it must be light speed. Since his TK can be used to stop things in their place, he can alter the speed of whatever his TK touches. So there's no way to prove that it's light speed.
The only other thing I could try to do, it attempt to calculate the speed of the beam from the distance it must have travelled. Meaning from the sun to the earth. However, I'm not sure how far or close they were to the sun at that moment without knowing the time of day. Which I don't believe is given. And I'm also not sure that it's a viable method.
I certainly appreciate you bringing this to my attention. However, it may be best to bring it to a calc group member's attention, perhaps with some of these concerns, to see what they think.
I want to ask about sth, the ×2 multiplier for the Carnage box release is accepted right? If thats the case, I believe its safe to use it for the Cambio Forma since it was shown to be at least as strong as the Carnage box release like in Hibari vs Daisy and Gokudera vs Genkishi. Whats your opinion on this?
I'm fairly certain that all KHR multipliers were accepted. Though I can't recall the carnage box specifically.
I don't have too much issue with cambio form being twice as strong. The only thing is that it's not clear in some cases. With Hibari, Gokudera, and Ryohei it's quite clear. But with Yamamoto, it isn't. Nor is it with Lambo. Mukuro's cambio forma doesn't have anything to do with his strength at all, and Tsuna's, like Yamamoto's, was shown during the choice arc. Before any of them used their carnage boxes.
It's likely safer just to say that cambio forma increases their strength by an uncertain amount. Since 2x isn't that big a difference (Most of the stomps in verse happen either because of illusions, or a difference of 7x, 10x, etc), cambio form is likely just comparable to carnage boxes. But comparable doesn't necessarily mean the same level.
I believe Tsuna's problem has been solved in the manga he got a boost after using the Cambio Forma against Enma so I think its okay for him. In Yamamoto and Lambo's case I need to check some episodes and chapters
Mukuro's Cambio forma in the anime is just an ability to analyze enemies but in the Inheirtence ceremony arc his illusions became clearly stronger,In fact Gokudera's Cambio forma and Hibari's was stronger than Daisy and Zakuro but I think its safer to use ×2
To be fair, even with Hibari, his cambio form grants him handcuffs that gives him a new method of incapacitating foes. However, it's much more likely that Hibari was already that strong to begin with. As everyone underwent training for choice, but Hibari wasn't selected to participate. I'm aware he trained with Dino a bit, but his box weapon seemed to be just that. A new weapon. His stats are a result of his own physical training.
Lambo used his cambio forma to defeat some dinosaurs Kikyo had summoned. He wasn't strong enough to fight Kikyo, but Ryohei was. And was dominating for a good portion of their fight.
Gokudera was able to blow off Zakuro's arm, so his seems pretty clear cut.
But even with Yamamoto, it's unclear. He first unveiled his cambio forma and used its new abilities (and his trained body) to easily defeat Genkishi. He only used his cambio forma to break through a barrier during choice in order to incapacitate Daisy. Which failed as Daisy is "immortal."
Tsuna's original cambio forma only has defensive abilities. But even with modo attaco, on it's first use the attack is literally clapped away.
"Lambo used his cambio forma to defeat some dinosaurs Kikyo had summoned. He wasn't strong enough to fight Kikyo, but Ryohei was. And was dominating for a good portion of their fight." Of course he will not be able to fight kikyo even if its ×5 because Kikyo is far stronger than him in base. Base Sasagawa was weaker than base Kikyo but in his Cambio Forma he became stronger than Kikyo in his opened Carnage box.
Edit : I re-read the chapters in the manga, Genkishi's power has multiplied many times by the hell ring and Yamamoto only used Cambio Forma and was still stronger so I think its safe to use it for Yamamoto. For Tsuna it wasn't shown clearly in the anime but in the manga they did. I think the only exception to the ×2 will be Hibari and Mukuro in the anime, iirc in the manga it was shown clearly.
"I think the only exception to the ×2 will be Hibari and Mukuro in the anime, iirc in the manga it was shown clearly." Here i didnt mean the choice arc and final battle arc manga version, I meant the 2 arcs which only appeared in the manga
I mean, it's not like the author hasn't done weird stuff before. I personally think the X15 thing was just forgetfulness on behalf of the author. But it would be best to include Risci in on this if you haven't already.
Right. I mean, it seems pretty blatantly like FTL speed to me. Increasing his perception by hundreds of times to the point where he can have an entire conversation where someone who was moving incredibly fast only moved like 1 cm? Yeah, it's pretty insane.
A X4 increase in "magic attack power" with Han stating "a quadruple increase in magic power" is as explicit as it gets, and increases in stats and in their "subsets" (Durability, magical power, speed), are constantly made clear by the skill too.
Due to the new information released in the recent ToG chapter, I am questioning the Immortality (Type 1) for some characters and creating CRT on Longevity for the Regulars and the normal Residents of the Tower