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  • Hi, welcome to VS Battles Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Son Goku page.

    Please leave me a message if I can help with anything!

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  • i noticed some of youre comments on various subjects, and you seem like a down to earth guy, i would like you to hear your opinion about my calc of the Seireitei's size here :http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Seiretei%27s_Size_Revisited but mind you skip the first calc, it was already rejected and for good reasons, look at the one below it, i am still waiting for a reply from SeiryuShin for him to determine whether or not its legit, but i want to hear more opinions about it, so if you have the time check it out and tell me what you think...

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  • it is nice to see you return to us, youre one of the few contributers i am sure will always give me unbiased opinions..

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    • @Minority World: That's exactly how I felt when I took off as well. In face of the gazillion fanboys (DBZ has arguably the largest fanboy base) your extremely rational thoughts won't be listened to, your logical discussions ignored, and fucking Youtube videos posted as "proofs". And if you ask for something better, they'll start convincing how the games and movies should be considered as "canon".

      Eventually, you feel like ripping your hair out and never looking at another DBZ power level discussion again. I must admit, I nearly lost my taste for VS Battles because of the inane DBZ wanking that happened here.

      Nevertheless, I'm back and ready for VS Battles action.


      @Illuminati478: Okay, I'll try to get used to calcing as soon as I can. I sincerely thank you for such a warm welcome back to this wiki, my friend. It is an unexpectedly pleasant surprise for me.

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    • @Lord Kavpeny: you've already shown how hardworking and serious about the wiki you were, i am sure Antvasima will agree with me on this, as for calcing, again there is no rush...

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  • Could you please stop adding the category "manga character" to different pages? There is already a category named "manga characters", and I have to spend time cleaning up the pages afterwards. Thank you.

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  • The issue of canon (i.e. manga + BoG only) Cell being able to bust the solar system has been a hot debate for a long, long time. It's been going around in circles with no end in sight. I have put together a calculation which debunks this statement as JUST a hyperbole.

    Before anybody replies to this, either in agreement or in argument, I would like them to go through the entire post properly.

    So, why isn't Cell a solar system buster?

    Before coming to that, we need to determine the energy needed to actually destroy the solar system. For that purpose, I would like to redirect everybody to this calculation. Long story short, after taking all factors into account, the energy required to destroy the mass of the solar system is 5.5 x 10^31 tons of TNT if using a purely focused blast, 5.09 x 10^37 tons of TNT if a unidirectional blast which encompasses the entire volume (Kamehameha's Area of Effect is ALWAYS unidirectional).

    So the energy required to destroy the solar sytem is 5.09 x 10^37 tons of TNT.

    Now that the required energy output has been established, let us disprove exactly why Cell isn't a solar system buster. The answer to that is very simple: even SSJ3 Goku in BoG cannot produce the required energy, and he is way above Cell in terms of raw power output.

    Now I will proceed to calculate BoG SSJ3 Goku's energy output. Bills states in the movie Battle of Gods about base Goku being weaker than 100% Frieza.

    1% Frieza easily one-shotted planet Vegeta. However, 100% Frieza is at best a Star buster (many people believe him to be large planet only, but I'm giving him a huge benefit of doubt). The energy levels required to destroy a star are stated right hereThe maximum energy to destroy a star is 10 XKt of TNT (note: this is Large Star Level, which Frieza is nowhere close to).

    10 XKt = 10 x 10^33 tons of TNT => 10^34 tons of TNT

    This energy output is greater than BoG base Goku's. Taking into account Goku's SSJ3 transformation, which has a 400x multiplier (for the uninitiated: 50x for SSJ1, 2x for SSJ2, 4x for SSJ3), the resulting energy output could from SSJ3 Goku would be at most 400x

    => 400 x 10^34 = '4 x 10^36 'tons of TNT



    '4 x 10^36 << '5.09 x 10^37

    So there you have it, people. Even after giving BoG base Goku a massive energy boost (by taking him to be Large Star Level, which he clearly is NOT), SSJ3 Goku is nowhere near solar system busting. Unless somebody is stupid enough to argue that Cell surpasses BoG SSJ3 Goku, I think it's safe to presume that Cell is NOT a solar system buster.

    Note: Please check for any corrections and feel free to point them out.

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    This thread is currently defunct, and is kept for legacy reasons only.
    14:59, January 2, 2016
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    • I have decided to redo this calc in accordance with the new Attack Potency chart in order to avoid confusion. Here is the link to the revised calc.

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    • At kanzenshuu, old Japanese guidebooks were translated and it mentions that cell can destroy a solar system. At first I was mad that screw attack didn't use it, but found out the translation was in progress while the death battle was as well. http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=22411 There was a discussion about what Super Saiyan 2 was called BEFORE the author thought up Super Saiyan 3, so old guides were brought into the discussion. Page 147 Super Saiyan Grade Five (Strongest Form) An aura with sparks like flashes of lightning and an upright, combative hairstyle are the distinguishing features of this, the strongest Saiyan warrior! One's personality also becomes aggressive; even the ordinarily gentle Gohan started to enjoy battle! Its power is enough to push back even Cell's energy bullet, which had enough force to blow away the Solar System! Super Saiyan 2 used to be called Super Saiyan Grade V and it says Brolly has a different super saiyan form than all the others that's special to him. A Super Saiyan that has achieved a different evolution!! Broli appeared in the movie "Burn Up!! A Red-Hot, Raging, Super Fierce Fight". His final form resembles Super Saiyan Grade Three. But his speed is ultra first-class, and he could be called a Super Saiyan who has achieved a different evolution than Goku and the others! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? IT MEANS THAT SCREW ATTACK MISSED SOMETHING BIG! Cell can destroy a solar system according to the people who worked with Toriyama and Toriyama himself. It’s not my opinion, the author and his staff said so. An injured super saiyan two with one arm can overpower Cell. Gohan only held back because he was afraid the earth would blow up as a side effect of him using too much energy. This means, with one hand, a super saiyan two can kill Cell.That makes a super saiyan two at least twice as strong as Cell. So that’s two supernovas of energy. Super Saiyan 3 increases that by 4 times to eight supernovas. And Super Saiyan 4 increases that by 10 times to 80 supernovas. One last thing I want to state is that Goku used teleportion under stress in the manga several times and failed while under stress only ONCE when Kid Buu blew up the earth. Goku can keep up with Superman by teleporting to his location each time. Screw attack messed up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE7IgfU-5Nw

      Also it's been revealed that the Dragon Ball gods do in fact create life, planets, and stars by providing the impetus for them. Please discuss in an intelligent manner.
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      see why would akira lie.

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  • do you happen to be blitzkrieg/ kurosaki from moviecodec?

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  • Pardon me for disturbing you, but do you think that he should be Island Level+, Small Country Level, or Country Level? Thank you for your input. [1]

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    • Island Level+.

      Although Hashirama has shown to manipulate Kurama's Bijuu Dama, it's likely due to the fact that Mokuton naturally saps Bijuu chakra.

      That's also the reason prime Madara should be Island Level+, despite controlling a Small Country Level being like Kurama. It's the hax of Hashirama's and Madara's kekkei genkai (i.e. Mokuton and Mangekyou Sharingan respectively), and not their Attack Potency, due to which they can beat Kurama.

      Hence in my opinion Hashirama (and prime Madara) should remain at Island Level+.

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    • Okay. Thank you for your input. If you wish, please insert this explanation into the thread that I linked to.

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    • Gotcha.

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    • Thank you.

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  • Please check if you think that the calculation here is acceptable. Thank you. [1]

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  • What do you think of the Logo i created ?
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    • 1) Needs to be changed to VS Battles Wiki.

      2) Thicker border between letters (especially I and K) needed. Or maybe add a tiny space between them instead.

      3) Also, make the outline a deep blue instead of black.

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